NAFTA v Trump

“Negotiators from the United States, Canada and Mexico meet Tuesday to start Round 6 of NAFTA negotiations. Through the first five rounds, talks have made no progress on divisive issues and President Trump threatens to withdraw.”
See NAFTA is close to falling apart with time running out
Well, we’ve seen this week what a great deal-maker Trump is… and he’s cued up to break NAFTA soon. This is an election-year in both USA and Mexico so there’s going to be no end of posturing with nothing accomplished and Trump has promised to end NAFTA if he can’t get a deal he likes. Apparently, that won’t happen despite manufacturers all over USA telling him they want NAFTA to continue. He doesn’t care what damage he causes as long as he gets press and praise from his worshippers.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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23 Responses to NAFTA v Trump

  1. “2) Show two pieces of ID
    At least one must have your current address
    health card
    Canadian passport
    birth certificate
    certificate of Canadian citizenship
    citizenship card
    social insurance number card
    Indian status card
    band membership card
    Métis card
    card issued by an Inuit local authority
    Canadian Forces identity card
    Veterans Affairs health card
    old age security card
    hospital card
    medical clinic card
    label on a prescription container
    identity bracelet issued by a hospital or long-term care facility
    blood donor card
    CNIB card
    credit card
    debit card
    employee card
    student identity card
    public transportation card
    library card
    liquor identity card
    parolee card
    firearms licence
    licence or card issued for fishing, trapping or hunting
    utility bill (e.g. electricity; water; telecommunications services including telephone, cable or satellite)
    bank statement
    credit union statement
    credit card statement
    personal cheque
    government statement of benefits
    government cheque or cheque stub
    pension plan statement
    residential lease or sub-lease
    mortgage contract or statement
    income tax assessment
    property tax assessment or evaluation
    vehicle ownership
    insurance certificate, policy or statement
    correspondence issued by a school, college or university
    letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
    targeted revision form from Elections Canada to residents of long-term care facilities
    letter of confirmation of residence from a First Nations band or reserve or an Inuit local authority
    letter of confirmation of residence, letter of stay, admission form or statement of benefits from one of the following designated establishments:
    student residence
    seniors’ residence
    long-term care facility
    soup kitchen

    [SARCASM]Yeah, Canada certainly is trying to punish the elderly, poor and uneducated who want to vote.[/SARCASM]

  2. Grece says:

    Robert will state that Voter IDs are racist, but wait, to vote in Canada one is required to show ID!

  3. kurkosdr says:

    Also, let’s address the elephant in the room here, which is the fact that California allows illegal immigrants to vote without showing a voter ID, which skewers the results bigly. Which is the exact thing the Electoral College was invented to address: states rigging the election process so they can impose their own president on other states.

  4. Ivan says:

    How long do you think folks are going to accept being disenfranchised by a liar?

    As opposed to being disenfranchised by a lying, rape apologizing, neo-liberal warhawk that liberals refuse to blame for Trump?

  5. Grece says:

    Not a landslide Robert?


    304:227 is vast difference wouldn’t you agree? To simplify in terms you may comprehend, if the Solo EV went from 227 drivable miles to say 304. You would call that a major achievement!

    Squeeaker?? Few thousand votes?? Again, you do not understand the U.S. election process Robert. Thousand of votes are not what mattered, but 77 electoral votes for Trump.

    No one really cares about Obama or taft, unless they are taking a history lesson, quit living in the past.

    Whoa!..stop the presses! You just wrote ” Saying something’s great does not make it so.” and I agree, so when are you going to admit that Linux on the desktop was a total failure, along with ARM and the SOLO??

    LOL, you talk about facts, but never mention any at all but hearsay ancedotal rumors.

    Gerrymandering Robert? Please cite your evidence.

  6. Grece wrote, “(304-227) Electoral College landslide”.

    That was not a landslide. That was a squeaker by a few thousand votes in key states. A record of “landslides” exists. Obama did much better. Taft (remember him?) did much better. It would be more correct to state that Trump was below average. Saying something’s great does not make it so. There are real facts instead of alternative facts out there if you just bother to read. I think if gerrymandering had not been rampant, Trump would have lost in a big way.

  7. Grece says:

    A U.S. election is NOT a popularity contest Robert, Trump won the election with a (304-227) Electoral College landslide, how many times must we state this fact to you?

    Stating that “Trump a liar” without any facts to back your claim is hearsay Robert. Parroting CNN isn’t going to make anyone believe it more so.

  8. Ivan wrote, “He ran against a politician that the midwest wasn’t going to consider.”

    He lost the popular vote in a big way. How long do you think folks are going to accept being disenfranchised by a liar?

  9. Ivan says:

    Ever wonder how Trump won with so little effort/money?

    He ran against a politician that the midwest wasn’t going to consider. I get that liberalism kills braincells, but how many times do you need to be told this before it sinks in?

  10. Grece says:

    Speaking of pounding Robert, you bring forth another valid discussion.

    Do you remember the pink-hat wearing women’s march of late? Their motto was “#MeToo” and what is the word for the # symbol? Why it is pound symbol!

    What was the purpose of the march and the motto? Namely, it was to represent hashtag used on social media to help demonstrate the widespread prevalence of sexual assault and harassment.

    So in essence, what the pink-hat wearing are saying to the world is simply this.


    Kind of a mixed message Robert, wouldn’t you agree?

    Ok..well..if you say so…..Ermmmm never mind. Problem is, the ones squawking pound me too are the ones nobody wants to pound in the first place.

  11. Grece wrote, “The Russia story is dead “.

    WhooHoo! That’s a good one. The Russia story has just begun. Mueller is digging up every bit of laundered money from Russian mafia, every favour traded, and the buck for all the Russian connections in his campaign stops in Trump’s lap. Ever wonder how Trump won with so little effort/money? Russia spent $millions pounding the Internet for Trump and guys like Grece fell for it.

  12. Grece says:

    Dear Robert, please read this monthly for the entire year. You will have to agree on all ten points in 2019.

    Top 10 things we learned today:

    1. Trump was never under investigation.
    2. Trump did not obstruct justice.
    3. Trump did not collude with Russia.
    4. Russia did not alter the election outcome.
    5. Comey leaked his own memo.
    6. Loretta Lynch pressured Comey to cover for Hillary Clinton.
    7. There was ample evidence to put Hillary in jail but Comey chose not to pursue it.
    8. CNN and other fake news outlets have been lying / making things up this entire time.
    9. The Democratic Party no longer has the ability to scream “RUSSIA” every time Trump tries to do something.
    10. The Russia story is dead – any democrat who continue to push it will look foolish and insane to the American people.

  13. Grece says:

    Reagrding NAFTA, Mexico and Canada are acting like we NEED them to be able to MAGA. Thats a laugh in itself, as both countries can go pound sand.

  14. Grece says:

    Just admit it Robert, Trump is winning across the board and you are envious. All you have is Cuck Trudeau and his rainbow muslim socks.

  15. Grece says:

    Farmers can sell locally Robert; that’s a pitiful reason to keep NAFTA.

  16. Ivan says:

    Why don’t you tell that to the UAW workers that saw their jobs shipped to Mexico that had to settle for low wage shit jobs, Bob? NAFTA raped the middle class.

  17. Grece wrote, “NAFTA screwed so many people out of work”.

    How many jobs do tariffs kill, OTOH? I lived through both. All economies grew under NAFTA. Today, lots of folks in Iowa are nervous about whether or not Trump will kill NAFTA. “NAFTA has been a landmark trade success story for U.S. agriculture for more than 20 years, especially for U.S. grains. Over the last two decades, U.S. ag exports to Canada have tripled and exports to Mexico have quintupled, helping support the price of our products.”

  18. Grece says:

    Robert is absent, as he has nothing to back himself up. NAFTA screwed so many people out of work that is saddens me to think that someone such as Robert, is ignorant enough to think otherwise.

  19. Ivan says:

    he’s cued up to break NAFTA soon

    Good. Ross Perot was right.

  20. kurkosdr says:

    Where is Pog?

  21. kurkosdr says:

    Linux on desktop is non-existent. ARM is still not on the desktop and when it comes, it will be powered by Windows.

    Oh boy, I had almost forgotten about Pog’s other causes (BTW I hate those “causes” that get presented to us as a great cause without those doing it adequately explaining why so).

    Even if usage of Desktop Linux was mandated, why would that be a good thing? Last time I checked Desktop Linux still has the usual problem of “I have a barely 3-year old LTS and I can’t install the latest VLC”, the usual awful GPU drivers and the usual crap multimonitor support where you have a text editor open on the left monitor but the text search dialog pops up on the right monitor. Why is this a valid cause if you are a normal person and don’t care about yet another EULA? (hint: Your e-banking website, your car’s infotainment system and your TV’s firmware come with an EULA)

    Same for ARM. With the latest chips from Intel and AMD (or both in some cases) why do I have to care? The ISA is yet another invisible (to the user) layer much like the kernel with the users caring only about the compatibility aspect where ARM fails miserably on the desktop front.

  22. Deaf Spy says:

    Does the man on the street have to care if Ford Motor Company loses some money as a consequence of Trump breaking NAFTA, considering it’s the same Ford Motor Company that shipped jobs south of the US border instead of hiring US citizens?

    This is Robert’s typical cognitive dissonance. Once he laments Trump’s tax reform because lowering taxes will benefit corporations more than workers. Next he laments Trump’s measures because they will benefit workers more than corporations.

    It is tough to be Robert these days. Trump isn’t going anywhere and Dems are making fools of themselves every day. Solo is not coming. Linux on desktop is non-existent. ARM is still not on the desktop and when it comes, it will be powered by Windows. The future before Chromebooks is bleak at least. Tablets are dying to be replaced by 2-in-1s, which still run mostly Windows. LibreOffice is still a sad joke. Limux failed miserably.

  23. Kurkosdr says:

    Does the man on the street have to care if Ford Motor Company loses some money as a consequence of Trump breaking NAFTA, considering it’s the same Ford Motor Company that shipped jobs south of the US border instead of hiring US citizens?

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