Trump Assumes Russians Did Not Hack DNC

“President-elect Donald Trump has backed Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in casting doubt on intelligence alleging Russian meddling in the US election.
 
Mr Assange said Russia was not the source for the site’s mass leak of emails from the Democratic Party.”
 
See Donald Trump backs Julian Assange over Russia hacking claim
Let’s get this straight:

  • POTUS-elect trusts a fleeing felon hiding out in an embassy in London over the USAian intelligence community of loyal, oath-swearing, hard-working, smart, well-equipped spies and techies…
  • GASP! Is he going to trust Putin who tells him not to worry when NORAD reports nukes are incoming?
  • GASP! Is he going to trust some stranger on the web rather than paid employees of the USAian government?
  • GASP! Will this man have his finger on “the button”?

The mind just boggles. Barring a tragedy affecting Trump’s person, can anyone stop this train-wreck? Can Congress put someone else in charge of “the button”? Can the Secret Service protect us from Trump? Perhaps prayer or preemptive impeachment is in order… Surely everyone can see that the POTUS-elect is incapable of performing the duties of POTUS. Surely everyone can see that allowing him to take the Oval Office is a terrible risk.

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25 Responses to Trump Assumes Russians Did Not Hack DNC

  1. dougman says:

    Ham-Dong, you are a very uninteresting problem.

  2. oiaohm says:

    Iraq was a very interesting problem. There were drums and drums found in warehouses after the war labelled as chemical and biological weapons that were inert. Yes Sadaam had ordered the production of chemical and biological weapons. Had Iraq scientists produced containers labelled as such yes. Had they been sneaky and made inert mixes that with Iraq standard tests for chemical and biological weapons gave a positive reading the answer is yes. Where cases of inert chemical and biological weapons being found before the Iraq second invasion by the inspector the answer is yes.

    The Iraq war were stacks of miss information. Some information was internal miss information like the volume of chemical and biological weapons they had. Of course it was only a matter of time before Sadaam worked out that is so called weapon stock pile was fake.

    We’d still end up with ISIS. Saddam was a maniac, but he kept the extremists in check.
    Reality is Saddam was no better than ISIS. ISIS comes about because of power vacuum and USA having no plan to restore government and security properly.

    If you are going to do a armed intervention you need to have a planed way to restore government and restore a functional security force. Creating a power vacuum as what happened in Irag is good for no one. Leaving Saddam in place until he had functional biological and chemical weapons would have not been good for the region either.

    By the way IRAQ was attempting to build something of massive worry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Babylon

    When you combine Project Babylon with attempting to stock pile chemical and biological weapons you have a big problem on your hands. Project Babylon is possibly a weapon delivery system to anywhere on earth.

    So Saddam Hussein was working on coming a true world wide threat.

    What was used to justify the invasion was the insistence that Iraq had the capability to deliver chemical and biological agents to the US mainland via drones, and planned to do so — Iraq did not have such capability.
    Not true exactly. Planned deliver was supergun that had been blocked before the invasion but Saddam Hussein had not given up on that and still had part of it. Drones is what the media came up with from electronically guided devices. Saddam Hussein had commissioned some experiments into smart rounds. So not drones but smart rounds from a supergun. 1 metre bore holds one heck of a huge shell and if that shell is filled with biological or chemical agents it will make one big mess.

    So there was not a present threat that Iraq could straight up act on but there was a threat from what Saddam was attempting to make.

  3. “National security, shockingly enough, is the domain of the National Security Agency.”

    No, it isn’t. NSA is only responsible for encryption/decryption and lately signals intelligence. NSA doesn’t send out spies or shoot bad guys. It’s just a small part of the USA’s apparatus for security.

    Sadaam had used lethal chemical weapons against Iran and its own people. Where they came from is not relevant to the fact that he threatened to use them. Israel was in the range of the long range artillery that Sadaam and Bull were developing. USA had committed to protecting Israel, for better or worse. Sadaam was also holding USAians hostage. The UN may not have authorized the invasion but many NATO countries and others did. Even Japan helped and they are avowed pacifists. In the aftermath, hundreds of rockets loaded with Sarin gas were recovered. One can argue that Sadaam may not have been about to conquer the world with chemical weapons but he certainly spared no attempt to acquire them and threatened to use them however he could. USA had been his ally but as an enemy he certainly was committing crimes against humanity and threatening other allies of USA and others. While WMD was the public argument for invasion, there were plenty of reasons to want Sadaam’s regime stopped. Certainly diplomacy failed miserably to check Sadaam’s insanity. At the time he had a very powerful military which could have caused no end of trouble in a powder-keg.

  4. Because it is not the NSA’s job to prevent attacks against private organizations.

    National security, shockingly enough, is the domain of the National Security Agency. Either this is a matter of national security, or it isn’t. If it isn’t, then perhaps it might be wise to stop acting as though it is.

    Of course, because apparently nobody has read the reports (I’ll link the latest one at the bottom of this post, it’s a fun read), it’s not obvious that the main claim being made is Russia using its media apparatus to influence the elections (as did every country’s media, by the way, the key difference is that Russian media slanted toward Trump instead of Clinton).

    The hacking scandal is only a single component, and one that is de-emphasized in the actual reports, half of which is about the RT network. Again, if you believe the reports, then yeah, the NSA and friends dropped the ball.

    The NSA, it should be noted only has moderate confidence in the latest one, while the CIA and FBI have high confidence.

    They found weapons that violated the UN sanctions during the invasion. Why do you expect that to be publicized?

    Funny you invoke the UN. The invasion didn’t have a UN mandate. Remember “Freedom Fries”? That was because France veto’ed at the UNSC. The whole world was against the invasion of Iraq, that’s why I expect it to be published.

    —————————-
    Onto Pogs…

    Sadaam told the world he had WMD.

    Yes, yes, he bought Mustard Gas from the United States during the Iran-Iraq War. This is common knowledge, and also not what was used to “justify” the invasion. What was used to justify the invasion was the insistence that Iraq had the capability to deliver chemical and biological agents to the US mainland via drones, and planned to do so — Iraq did not have such capability.

    That was sufficient justification IMHO.

    No, it isn’t. There are at least 30 countries which possess chemical or biological agents, including several western/NATO countries. Having them is not sufficient justification, and the Bush administration knew it. It was called a preemptive strike because the “justification” was delivery systems capable of reaching the US, which were never found.

    It was well known that he used chemical weapons against Iran

    Yes, yes, they both used chemical weapons on each other during the Iran-Iraq War, both sides acquired them from the United States (Iran had built its stockpile under the Shah).

    and that he had acquired long range artillery.

    None that could reach Europe or the US, which was a key point in the argumentation. He had Scuds for decades.

    The decision to invade wasn’t wrong but the execution of the occupation certainly was.

    The world disagreed then, and for the most part, continues to do so. I say again, the 2003 invasion had no UN mandate, and was a breach of international law, and was launched on false premises — again, Iraq had no capability of hitting the US.

    Imagine if the military of Sadaam had not been dismissed but repurposed under a civilian control…

    We’d still end up with ISIS. Saddam was a maniac, but he kept the extremists in check.
    Not to mention significantly skewing the balance of power in the region — Iraq kept Iran in check (they’re allied now), as well as acted as a deterrent to Saudi and Turkish hegemonic ambitions.

    ——————-

    As promised, the latest report, courtesy of the Director of National Intelligence (inb4 just a strawman), it’s both embedded and linked at the bottom of the article.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-06/here-us-intelligence-report-accusing-putin-ordering-campaign-influence-us-election

  5. Ivan says:

    Why is no one raking the NSA and friends, whose job is to prevent this sort of thing, over hot coals?

    Because it is not the NSA’s job to prevent attacks against private organizations.

    So you’re saying, they did indeed find WMDs in Iraq, and they did in fact not lie about having evidence that was never revealed?

    They found weapons that violated the UN sanctions during the invasion. Why do you expect that to be publicized?

  6. Just noticed. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has been flirting with 20K for the first time. Until now, the high was 19999.63. I guess it’s almost certain to reach 20K today. I doubt that’s anything to do with Trump. He’s merely riding Obama’s coat tails and taking credit for others’ efforts.

  7. “they did indeed find WMDs in Iraq, and they did in fact not lie about having evidence that was never revealed?”

    Sadaam told the world he had WMD. That was sufficient justification IMHO. It was well known that he used chemical weapons against Iran and that he had acquired long range artillery. There was a Canadian connection there. The Mossad killed the Canadian engineer who helped Sadaam with huge artillery barrels and propellants. As far as I know the only WMD found were raw castor beans. While looking for WMD, the USA conveniently allowed time for Sadaam’s military to scatter high explosive artillery components all over the country eventually to be used in IEDs. The decision to invade wasn’t wrong but the execution of the occupation certainly was. Imagine if the military of Sadaam had not been dismissed but repurposed under a civilian control… USA and others could have left after a year or so and skipped thousands of casualties and Daesh might never have happened. Those early decisions were on Bush…

  8. ram says:

    I’m amazed that most of you have long seen through the mass media Microsoft propaganda, and don’t see what is happening right now, right in front of you, in American “politics”.

    Here is a hint: Every so often the Electoral College and Congress choose a president whose first name is “general” 😉 That is why the USA doesn’t have military Coup d’Etats (yeah, right!).

    The chess pieces are all on the board. The next moves are obvious. Can you see them?

    Hint2: Trump is in on the “deal” but perhaps not in the way you think.

  9. dougman says:

    “The mind just boggles. Barring a tragedy affecting Trump’s person, can anyone stop this train-wreck? Can Congress put someone else in charge of “the button”? Can the Secret Service protect us from Trump? Perhaps prayer or preemptive impeachment is in order… Surely everyone can see that the POTUS-elect is incapable of performing the duties of POTUS. Surely everyone can see that allowing him to take the Oval Office is a terrible risk.”

    ^^^ Obvious signs of a raving lunatic. Pogsey has such a hard-on for America and Trump. It is the only reason as to explain his continual out pouring of love for the President-elect and the American way of life.

  10. Spoken like the pro-russian troll that you are

    Right. So you’re saying, they did indeed find WMDs in Iraq, and they did in fact not lie about having evidence that was never revealed? Or are you suggesting that there were indeed political consequences? Who got held accountable, how were they punished? Certainly not Powell or Rice.

    Love it though, Russian trolls tend to be citing Pravda and RT, not American SecOPs experts.

    Consider sticking with failing to match wits with Hamster.

  11. I think that may well be true. The key thing is not that hacking/intrusion happened but that it only happened to DNC (NOT!)

    Well if you take the CIA at its word, then the RNC was hacked, too.
    This is actually their most credible argument, as it would make no sense strategically or politically to leaks both at once and undermine both institutions. Holding on to intel for future blackmail somewhat lines up with the SRV’s modus operandi. Typically you don’t know they have intel they’re not supposed to have until you spot them acting on it. The KGB typically dealt with psy-ops (active measures).

    However, we don’t know what info was handed off to Assange until he leaks it, and he has full discression over what gets leaked and when. He’s got a vested interest in undermining US credibility given his personal circumstances.

    The issue is that the GOP is much more resilient to information warfare than the Democrats simply because it would surprise all of no one of nearious activities were revealed. Case in point, you swear up and down that they’re in bed with Moscow without a shred of evidence on the grounds of truthiness.

    A party that has Newt Gingrich as a prominent figure will not be hurt so easily by this sort of thing. these people almost wear the perception of them as cartoon villains like a badge of honor.

    I somehow doubt that membership in GOP conveys superior IT-security. These politicians are technical babes in the woods.

    Insofar as we know, they aren’t running mail servers out of their bathrooms (Clinton) on obsolete PowerMac gear or using ‘p@ssword’ as passwords. They may even be contracting professionals for their IT.

  12. The US intelligence community does not depend solely on those reports. They independently investigated the matter many different ways.

    A major one of which is the consultation of experts in the field in the private sector. Governments hire FireEye, Mandiant, CrowdStrike and others for this sort of thing. They’re among the best at what they do. They’re to cyber security what Stratfor, the Atlantic Council and friends are to foreign policy.

    It was in point of fact, Mandiant that blew up the flapping quackery about communication between TrumpEmail.com and Alfa Bank (the former was spamming the latter, which was pinging the former to confirm the existence of the sender domain as part of its security scans). You might recall how that was portrayed as nefarious and treasonous and a smoking gun until Mandiant published their analysis.

    All this is strawmen to distract from the credibility of US intelligence community.

    Quite the contrary, I flat out stated that I expect Russia to have gotten its hands on this information, but I question the association of Cozy Bears and Fancy Bears to the Russian Intel/Espionage/Cyberwarfare apparatus, and find the evidence lacking.

    I’m actually giving the NSA and friends quite a lot of credit, in finding it difficult to believe they’ve dropped the ball to the extent being claimed.

    I’m also giving quite a bit of credit to the FBI in finding it difficult to believe that they’ve been infiltrated right to the top, as is implied.

    Of course, I’ll change my tune if I’m shown credible evidence. At the moment, there is a dearth of concrete evidence, and the experts agree.

  13. ram wrote, “Such silliness! Everybody who wanted to hacked the DNC and Hillary servers.”

    I think that may well be true. The key thing is not that hacking/intrusion happened but that it only happened to DNC (NOT!) and WikiLeaks only got stuff from the DNC to spread around. I somehow doubt that membership in GOP conveys superior IT-security. These politicians are technical babes in the woods.

  14. ram says:

    Such silliness! Everybody who wanted to hacked the DNC and Hillary servers. With “tough” passwords such as “p@ssword” why is this no surprise!

  15. “The reports from CrowdStrike and Mandiant are easy to find, and the others flow from there.”

    The US intelligence community does not depend solely on those reports. They independently investigated the matter many different ways. All this is strawmen to distract from the credibility of US intelligence community.

  16. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “LOL. Too young to remember the Iraq invasion, I take it? No, they don’t need evidence, and there are no real consequences to being caught lying about these things. Much in the same vein, they’ve claimed they have evidence incriminating Russia, but have not provided it.”

    Spoken like the pro-russian troll that you are.

  17. The US intelligence community has provided their assertions and have provided evidence to those with a need to know and sufficient clearance.

    And you not only buy it up without having seen it, but swear by it. Lovely. The reports from CrowdStrike and Mandiant are easy to find, and the others flow from there.

    https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

    Whether or not this posting is part of a Russian Intelligence disinformation campaign, we are exploring the documents’ authenticity and origin.

    They don’t know if Guccifer 2.0 is actually affiliated with the Russian government.

    Regardless, these claims do nothing to lessen our findings relating to the Russian government’s involvement

    But it’s the Russians.

    Both adversaries engage in extensive political and economic espionage for the benefit of the government of the Russian Federation and are believed to be closely linked to the Russian government’s powerful and highly capable intelligence services.

    Believed. Key word.
    The problem is, anything that hurts the US is a benefit to the Russian Federation. That Russia benefits isn’t enough to conclude that it financed it, just like it America benefiting isn’t sufficient to conclude that they’re behind every coup or insurgency in the mid-east, Caucasus and eastern Europe.

    In addition to the US government, they have targeted organizations across the Defense, Energy, Extractive, Financial, Insurance, Legal, Manufacturing Media, Think Tanks, Pharmaceutical, Research and Technology industries, along with Universities.

    Curious that a state agent would waste resources on targets not immediately benefiting state interests.

    FANCY BEAR (also known as Sofacy or APT 28) is a separate Russian-based threat actor, which has been active since mid 2000s,

    Doubtful that a state actor would keep the same identity all this time after being discovered.

    the profile of which closely mirrors the strategic interests of the Russian government, and may indicate affiliation with Главное Разведывательное Управление (Main Intelligence Department) or GRU, Russia’s premier military intelligence service.

    The profile matches highly lucrative information. The GRU is also second fiddle to the FSB.

    At DNC, COZY BEAR intrusion has been identified going back to summer of 2015, while FANCY BEAR separately breached the network in April 2016. We have identified no collaboration between the two actors, or even an awareness of one by the other.

    Curious, since they’re both supposed to be state actors.

    Федеральная Служба Безопасности (FSB), the primary domestic intelligence agency but one with also significant external collection and ‘active measures’ remit, Служба Внешней Разведки (SVR), the primary foreign intelligence agency, and the aforementioned GRU.

    Despite assertions of affiliation, they don’t know which agency (if indeed any) they’re associated with.

    It’s also a testament to the ineptitude of the people in charge of securing the target systems — there are two infiltrators infliltrating at the same time, undetected. Going after the same information. Curious.

    https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/who-is-fancy-bear/
    In his blog, Dmitri also notes that FANCY BEAR (also known as Sofacy or APT 28) is a Russian-based threat actor whose attacks have ranged far beyond the United States and Western Europe.

    This part is absolutely true. They are based in Russia, or at the very least, the Russian World. There’s no concrete evidence that they’re under the employ o the government, however.

    Because of its extensive operations against defense ministries and other military victims, FANCY BEAR’s profile closely mirrors the strategic interests of the Russian government

    It also closely mirrors the strategic interests of many governments who’d be willing to pay a pretty penny or such information. Let us not forget how primitive Chinese cyberwarfare capabilities are — there are stories of US cyberwarfare units targeting Chinese cyberwarfare units down to the individual.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

    A decent article from people who unlike you, have actually sifted through the various reports implicating the Russian government.

    Another troubling aspect that few seem to consider is Comey’s interjections in the dying days of the election, specifically centered around information that is now being claimed (and is now claimed was known at the time) was leaked by the Russian government. Clearly, I have to spell out the implication of this, namely that if all of this is true, the director or the FBI seems to be complicit with the Russian government, which would suggest that the entire FBI has been infiltrated. Comey’s interjections hurt the Clinton campaign far more than the Wikileaks dumps did, after all.

    I don’t find that believable.

    Now onto FireEye.
    https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a-window-into-russias-cyber-espionage-operations.html

    In our report, we also describe several malware samples containing details that indicate that the developers are Russian language speakers operating during business hours that are consistent with the time zone of Russia’s major cities, including Moscow and St. Petersburg.

    Re: one of the claims in my previous comment.

    Now onto the actual report.
    https://www2.fireeye.com/apt28.html

    This perception is due in part to the Russian
    government’s alleged involvement in the cyber attacks accompanying its invasion of
    Georgia in 2008

    It starts off bad. in the previous link, they list these attacks as given. They can’t even confirm that they took place (alleged: key word).

    as well as the rampant speculation that Moscow was behind a
    major U.S. Department of Defense network compromise, also in 2008.

    Keyword: speculation. They don’t know.

    These
    rumored activities, combined with a dearth of hard evidence, have made Russia into
    something of a phantom in cyberspace.

    Keyword: dearth of evidence. Meaning evidence is beyond scarce.

    Immediately after:

    We believe that this is an advanced persistent threat (APT) group engaged in espionage against political and military targets including the country of Georgia, Eastern European governments and militaries, and European security organizations since at least 2007.

    Three lines ago, these attacks were alleged.

    what we do have is evidence of longstanding,

    And an admittance that there’s virtually no hard evidence.

    I’m not going to go through all 45 pages for you, you can do that yourself.

    It’s clear that while I’ve evidently read these reports, you have not.
    Have you seriously done no research at all on this?

    Trump is an idiot who does not even own a computer (except a smartphone) and thinks he knows more about computers than the USA’s experts.

    The experts who failed to do their jobs and prevent this, and seem to be implying that the FBI itself is compromised. Mandiant’s, FireEye’s and CrowdStrike’s experts have only conjecture.

    How can you swear to the validity of the evidence without having seen it or even done any semblance of even cursory research into the matter? Do you have anything other than an appeal to authority fallacy and “because Trump is an idiot”?

    Now. I’d be surprised if Russia didn’t infiltrate these systems, though I doubt they leak it to Assange. It isn’t the style of the FSB and GRU, who typically sits on the information, uses it internally, and when it does leak, does it itself, and usually to Russian media, and in the case of the FSB, even claims credit (see: the famous leaked telephone conversation involving Yulia Tymoshenko). The GRU typically doesn’t leak, period, nor does SRV.

    It’s frankly stupid to think that no one else has the interest in this information, nor the capability to take it.

    Assange determined when to leak which dumps for maximum impact. It may be claimed that Wikileaks interfered with the US elections. The claim that Russia itself did is little more than narrative pushing. Though again, Comey’s interjections were far more costly to the Clinton campaign, and the implication that the FBI has been infiltrated is up in the realm of David Icke level conspiracy quackery.

    Some have called Assange a Kremlin lackey, which is absurd to anyone with an attention span longer than 10 minutes — CableGate, among others, featured quite a lot of dirt on the Russian Federation.

    I’m also not sold on the link between APT-28/29 and the GRU/FSB/SRV.

    Есть замечательный день, товарищ!

  18. Speaking of lacking evidence…

    This guy makes a lot of assertions and provides no evidence. The US intelligence community has provided their assertions and have provided evidence to those with a need to know and sufficient clearance. Of those who have seen the evidence, Trump is the only one I know who thinks Russia did not hack the DNC. Trump is an idiot who does not even own a computer (except a smartphone) and thinks he knows more about computers than the USA’s experts. He’s an idiot. I’ve had bosses like him. They want to lead but keep breaking things.

  19. Are you telling us you have evidence the same country that pays people to troll negative articles about Russia in western media didn’t hire Gucifer 2.0?

    Do you have evidence that they did? Have you looked at the reports all the SecOPs that were consulted released? They barely know anything about Fancy Bears and Cozy Bears (APT 28 and 29) and know even less about Russian cyberwarfare capabilities. This is openly admitted in the reports. The affiliation between them and the Russian government is conjectural at best, as is the assumption that Guccifer 2.0 is under the Russian government’s employ.

    The initial evidence consisted of hours of operation during Saint Petersburg’s business hours, Cyrillic encoding, and a username of Feliks Dzerzhinsky. Which I guess seems obvious if you assume the FSB is full of abject idiots.

    There’s also the matter of tools that are similar to those used by the FSB years ago, but anyone who has done any black hat shenanigans knows the best tools come from the RU-Web (Russian Internet).

    Why is no one raking the NSA and friends, whose job is to prevent this sort of thing, over hot coals? Why is no one concerned with this complete dereliction of their duties, assuming of course, that you believe the claims. They can monitor the communications of every American and allied citizen, but can’t stop hackers from infiltrating their entire electoral system from top to bottom?

    Podesta’s email password was “passw0rd” by the way, and he was social engineered into a phishing scam. This literally happens to millions of people daily. Clinton’s email server ran out of her bathroom, off the books, and audits of it are somewhat amusing, it was being infiltrated by literally script kiddies the world over.

    Remember when Assange was a champion of freedom and valuable whistleblower to the Dems?

    You know by now Kurks, that “information WANTS to be free” only when its convenient. If the documents wikileaks released shouldn’t be free, why should the code that runs government systems?

    You see, unlike the Dems bloggers, when the US intelligence agencies put out an official claim accusing someone or a state actor, they have to worry about an annoying detail called evidence

    LOL. Too young to remember the Iraq invasion, I take it? No, they don’t need evidence, and there are no real consequences to being caught lying about these things. Much in the same vein, they’ve claimed they have evidence incriminating Russia, but have not provided it.

  20. Ivan wrote, “If you’re really worried about it move south, get citizenship, register to vote, then do so.”

    That’s pure madness. Canada is to close to USA, if you ask me. With Trump in charge there’s no telling what the future will bring but I hope it doesn’t afflict Canada too much in 4 years. I’m hoping USAians will come to their senses in the next two years and retake control of the Senate. Unless the Congress decides to impeach Trump soon, there’s no upside until the next election. It’s rather obvious that Trump is trying to undermine the USAian government. That approaches high crimes IMHO. Surely inviting Russia to invade USA is treason, eh?

  21. Kurkosdr says:

    Are you telling us you have evidence the same country that pays people to troll negative articles about Russia in western media didn’t hire Gucifer 2.0?

    Still, the US intelligence agencies are smart enough to maintain some credibility and do not officially accuse Russia without evidence. Yet the mainstream media reproduces wild accusations by whatever blog they stumble upon, burning through their credibility capital really fast, much like an exiled royal family that retains their lifestyle unchanged thinking their money will last forever.

  22. Ivan says:

    fleeing felon

    Accused felon. Surprised you didn’t go to straight out rapist there, Bob.

    Can Congress put someone else in charge of “the button”?

    If you’re really worried about it move south, get citizenship, register to vote, then do so. Until you are willing to do this you are just being a whiny maggot.

    Remember when Assange was a champion of freedom and valuable whistleblower to the Dems?

    Remember when he released edited video to make it look like an Apache was shooting at Reuters journalists instead of the guy with the RPG behind them?

    Aka anyone from the US intelligence agencies officially claiming that the Russians leaked the data in question?

    Are you telling us you have evidence the same country that pays people to troll negative articles about Russia in western media didn’t hire Gucifer 2.0?

  23. Kurkosdr says:

    the community

    By “community” you mean… who? The bloggers? The DNC trying to derail the discussion?

    Allow me to repeat the question:
    Can you back this up? Aka anyone from the US intelligence agencies officially claiming that the Russians leaked the data in question?
    You see, unlike the Dems bloggers, when the US intelligence agencies put out an official claim accusing someone or a state actor, they have to worry about an annoying detail called evidence.

  24. Read The Bible according to Trump. He thinks that because the community was wrong on WMD he should not trust them on anything. ergo, Putin can do whatever he wants. It’s just silly. I suppose he’ll have to cut the intelligence budget as just more waste…

  25. Kurkosdr says:

    POTUS-elect trusts a fleeing felon hiding out in an embassy in London
    Remember when Assange was a champion of freedom and valuable whistleblower to the Dems?

    GASP! Is he going to trust some stranger on the web rather than paid employees of the USAian government?
    Can you back this up? Aka anyone from the US intelligence agencies officially claiming that?
    You see, unlike the Dems bloggers, when the US intelligence agencies put out an official claim accusing someone or a state actor, they have to worry about an annoying detail called evidence.

    PS: Also, gotta love the fact that mainstream media worry so much about the carrier if the message, but ignore the contents of it. There be dragons…

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