If Dead, Trump Would Be Spinning In His Grave Like All Those Windmills

“Half of the UK’s electricity came from wind turbines, solar panels, wood burning and nuclear reactors between July and September, in a milestone first.
 
Official figures published on Thursday show low carbon power, which has been supported by the government to meet climate change targets, accounted for 50% of electricity generation in the UK in the third quarter, up from 45.3% the year before.”
 
See UK hits clean energy milestone: 50% of electricity from low carbon sources
It’s well known that Trump hates those windmills off Scotland’s coast near his golf-course. They are contributing to the record use of renewable energy in UK, 50% at last count.

Too bad. UK is an island with lots of coast so tidal and wind generation make a lot of sense. Canada is part of a continental mass and so should probably make more use of solar generation. It’s all good. Renewable energy has been developed into a practical and economical solution to our need for energy. Combined with more efficient usage, the future of energy looks bright unless you are in the polluting business of burning fossil fuels or buying cheap golf-courses in remote places.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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11 Responses to If Dead, Trump Would Be Spinning In His Grave Like All Those Windmills

  1. ram says:

    oiaohm said: “If they get maths wrong like SA did and not have a back up system blackouts will happen.”

    South Australia got the maths wrong on the strength of their transmission towers and power line supports. The severe weather conditions caused by global warming are resulting in wind velocities that are flattening the structures holding up the power lines. Renewables have absolutely nothing to do with South Australian power drop outs.

  2. It’s the day after the storm and highways are closed, so family is sleeping over or staying in hotel rooms. I have a two-foot snow drift in the driveway. When the wind/snow dies later, I will have to go out and apply my 26 year old snow-blower.

  3. oiaohm says:

    http://www.afr.com/news/wind-power-drop-played-key-role-in-south-australia-blackout-20161005-grvbqf

    dougman interesting point is there are places where Wind power is the base load. Of course it important to have gas turbine power stations and the like that can take peak load and backup in case when unpredicted wind/storm events happen.

    Without looking at the maps of Canada winds and how dependable they are I could not say if they could or could not do wind power as base load. Of course to make wind farms to provide base load you need quite a large area of deployment to reduce times of no wind.

    Wind, Heat base solar and tide are three items that are renewable that can be used to provide base load power.

    A person on their own small area making base load by Wind is impossible due to not being able to access enough independent wind currents to make a dependable wind supply. Country/state using wind as based load is possible if are dependable enough wind currents that can be tapped by correctly placed farms. If they get maths wrong like SA did and not have a back up system blackouts will happen.

    What happens when the wind blows too much?
    With wind farms this is not a problem as long as that is no wind blowing that that fast is destroying the farm or causing the wind turbines due to design not to generate. Some of SA problem was using wind turbines designed to stop generating when wind cross a particular speed instead of limiting generation.

    Having enough transmission lines to source power from other locations with wind is highly critical.

    Reality is wind as base load is absolutely possible from a country/large state level. But before anywhere does it again it would pay to look at places that have attempted and what they have done wrong and not copy those mistakes.

  4. Thanks, Wiz. Just had turkey dinner followed by pie and ice-cream with family. The storm is not hitting hard until late tonight. Some family may stick around another day if the highways are plugged. Hope you are well.

    Technological aside: in a room full of family talking, opening presents, taking pictures and sharing them… no one was using an Intel or M$ product. Only the newest grand child did not have high-speed IT flying from his fingertips and he was walking all over the place to utter amazement. Further, since many were not choking the web today, I did another speed-test. Old Beast is working well as router. We reached 180 mbits/s download speed. So much for my ISP throttling me. Life is good and it could get better if Trump doesn’t break too many systems.

  5. Wizard Emeritus says:

    A Merry Christmas and a healthy and happy new year to you and your family Robert Pogson,

  6. dougman says:

    Wait till the Muslims come and toss him out of his home for not acquiescing to Sharia Law.

  7. Pogson is a liberal. His world is powered by unicorn farts. Fortunately, he doesn’t live in the United States, where President Donald Lincoln Reagan Awesome Trump is going to tear down all of the regulations and let us produce our own energy again. It is an undeniable objective fact that “anthropogenic climate change” is a myth pushed by political hacks pretending to be scientists.

    Oh, and by the way, it’s LINUX not “GNU/Linux” you stupid idiot.

  8. dougman wrote, “All of which, you do not own nor operate.”

    Wrong on three counts. We do have a little solar power around here, mostly lighting and the solarium which passes for dining/living room certainly does heat up on a sunny day even if the temperature is very low outside. The plants and TLW love it while I have to shed layers to sit there. Further, our heating is about 2/3 geothermal.

  9. dougman says:

    “Why, that’s why you have a combination with solar, geothermal, hydro etc. and some energy storage.”

    All of which, you do not own nor operate.

  10. dougman wrote, “What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?
     
    What happens when the wind blows too much?”

    Why, that’s why you have a combination with solar, geothermal, hydro etc. and some energy storage.

    dougman wrote, “Wind farms cannot operate on their own, they require local diesel power to black start or a utility feeder.”

    Whoever stated they could be used on their own? Not I. You either have to live with the variability or augment with storage or another source. I could do either but I like passive storage of heat and batteries or generators as an alternate in the dark or PV in the daytime.

  11. dougman says:

    Wind farms DO NOT provide the required base load as does Nuclear plants. Imagine a nuclear physicist, pushing for wind-farms!…LOL!! If anything, the US should capitalize on its thorium stockpile, and construct massive amounts of portable 300MW plants.

    What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?

    What happens when the wind blows too much?

    Wind farms cannot operate on their own, they require local diesel power to black start or a utility feeder.

    “Because of the intermittency and variability of the wind, conventional power plants must be kept running at full capacity to meet the actual demand for electricity. Most cannot simply be turned on and off as the wind dies and rises, and the quick ramping up and down of those that can be would actually increase their output of pollution and carbon dioxide (the primary “greenhouse” gas). So when the wind is blowing just right for the turbines, the power they generate is usually a surplus and sold to other countries at an extremely discounted price, or the turbines are simply shut off. ”

    http://www.aweo.org/problemwithwind.html

    “For the past twenty-three years, the federal government has subsidized wind power with tens of billions of taxpayer dollars through the Production Tax Credit (PTC). Now the Department of Energy wants to reach a ridiculous goal of 20 percent wind energy by 2030. The PTC was originally intended to give the wind industry the kickstart it needed to be self-sufficient. But, despite wind energy’s 23-year reliance on fiscal training wheels, the Obama administration now wants to make the PTC permanent.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/233562-what-do-we-have-to-show-for-government-subsidies-of

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