Search For MH-370 Winds Down

“Fugro Equator arrived at Fremantle on Monday, 12 December 2016, to conduct a routine re-supply. The vessel departed on the same day for the search area to continue using the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV). This is to be the vessel’s final swing in the search area.”
 
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Well, it’s probably not in the initial choice of grid, but the wreck is out there. I’m hopeful the searchers will decide to resume a little further north, based on analyses of debris collected so far and drift patterns identified.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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27 Responses to Search For MH-370 Winds Down

  1. ram says:

    “conspiracy theory”

    All Incident Control Teams are a “conspiracy”, and International Incident Control Teams an international conspiracy.

    Conspiracy: any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

    So the boards of all large multinational corporations also engage in “conspiracies”.

    With respect to your other points:

    “Russia and USA etc. could not agree that bombing women and children in Aleppo was a bad thing.”

    Unfortunately the powers controlling Russia and the USA thought that bombing was a “good” thing. I disagree with bombing as a tactic in general, but the USA, Australia, Israel, Russia, and perhaps some other countries were all bombing in Aleppo.

    “China could not be persuaded that a madman with nukes living on their border was a bad thing.”

    North Korea is like a pit-bull on China’s chain. They have their own reasons for keeping that regime going. North Korean leadership being “mad” is open to doubt as you certainly will not receive any accurate reports of what is going on there from media in your country. I note most, of not all, of Australia’s gambling machines (pokies) are made in North Korea, so they have curious ties and trade connections.

    “UK could not be persuaded to remain in the EU despite the obvious advantages of sharing markets, defence, economies of scale etc.”

    They also faced very significant disadvantages with EU trade regulations and extreme abuses by the EU patent office. I can understand why smaller and entrepreneurial businesses wanted out of the EU.

  2. dougman says:

    I think Fifi should elaborate on his atomic dust theory, due to the impact was at critical escape velocity and shattered to the bone.

  3. ram wrote, “I don’t know what was on that jet that they would all agree on would be best disappeared.”

    So, the folks who rarely can agree on the size/shape of tables can agree on a moment’s notice that the location of the wreckage of a commercial air-liner needs to be hidden? [SARCASM] This is an extreme “conspiracy theory” without any basis in fact.

    e.g. Russia and USA etc. could not agree that bombing women and children in Aleppo was a bad thing.
    China could not be persuaded that a madman with nukes living on their border was a bad thing.
    UK could not be persuaded to remain in the EU despite the obvious advantages of sharing markets, defence, economies of scale etc.

    Give a single reason why the location of an airliner should be hidden in the best interests of two or more “super-powers”. I can give multiple reasons for the contrary point of view. It’s in everyone’s interest to have safe aviation. It’s good PR for militaries/governments to provide visible assistance to people in tragedy. The cost of such a crash is $billions. Finding the wreckage and preventing another similar incident is good economy. Finding the wreckage is the right thing to do and it is very possible to do it. It’s in everyone’s interest to develop better search technology and to eliminate the need for expensive “mowing the lawn” searches.

  4. ram says:

    Robert Pogson wrote: “So, then, you are required to explain why every country on Earth has conspired to hide the location of the jet…”

    Not every country, just the three major powers and their territories. I don’t know what was on that jet that they would all agree on would be best disappeared. I do know such things happen from time to time and communications channels exist for precisely that kind of coordination.

    I’ve seen major power covert cooperation before. It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen. Twice in the arctic (with American and Russian officers together in the same command centers), a few times in Africa, and once in Australia. I’ve heard stories of a fair number more. They would make a great plot for a movie and scare the living daylights out of the public. Maybe someday those incidents will be declassified.

  5. dougman wrote, “Trump is literally Hitler”.

    No, he’s not. So far he’s only advocated the mass-murder of the relatives and neighbours of terrorists, not large classes of people. But, as we’ve seen many times before, denial of one right can lead to another when a megalomaniac is involved. Hitler went out in a blaze of mass-murder. We don’t know where Trump will go with “checks and balances” pretty well reduced to banana peels on floors.

    Congress, SCOTUS and thousands of sycophants running the government soon is a pretty good start for a tyrannical leader. He’s been behaving more like a self-important monarch than a democratically elected leader. What “check/balance” prevents him from appointing himself dictator for life or king? He’s shown little or no knowledge or respect for the constitution. That’s just “political correctness”, eh? He campaigned to do away with such nonsense.

    USA has not gone over a cliff yet, but it’s awfully close to the edge. In my life I’ve often been high up on a ladder or a roof and getting close to a tipping point really sets off the same kinds of bells that are ringing for Trumpism. When a large enough share of a population believes in the rightness of their fearless leader/fuhrer, there’s no telling what the outcome will be. Let’s hope it’s a return to sensibility in 2020 if not sooner.

  6. dougman says:

    “It’s not only celebs who are moving. Jews are very uneasy about Trump. Who will Trump persecute after the hispanics and muslims? His mob already has jews on their list.”

    Oh yes you moron, Trump is literally Hitler.

    *rolls-eyes*

  7. dougman wrote, “Actually, all the celebrities that stated they would leave if Trump won, have not in-fact left for Canada. When questioned about it, they stated they were just joking.”

    Or not…
    “Other celebrities who have since changed their minds include Miley Cyrus, Chelsea Handler and Amy Schumer, although most who vowed to leave have stayed mum since Mr. Trump’s presidential win Tuesday over Democrat Hillary Clinton.”

    see Lena Dunham won’t move to Canada despite Trump win, blasts those calling on her to keep word

    Meg Remy, moved to Canada ahead of Trump’s rise to power.

    It’s not only celebs who are moving. Jews are very uneasy about Trump. Who will Trump persecute after the hispanics and muslims? His mob already has jews on their list.

    George Lopez has already sold his property but he won’t say where he’s going for fear it will drive up prices at his destination…

  8. dougman says:

    ” I think a lot of people will flee USA”

    Actually, all the celebrities that stated they would leave if Trump won, have not in-fact left for Canada. When questioned about it, they stated they were just joking.

    “Canada is the most hospitable country close by.”

    You mean inhospitable. Who wants to live in sub-zero temps?https://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html

    In fact, the majority of Canadians live close the the American border.

    You won’t be importing China anything, due to the carbon taxes, as local prices for products will be less costly. In fact, your NIFE batteries will more than likely ship from America.

  9. dougman wrote, “This is tax on everything, all economic gain for no environmental gain.”

    There will be little or no effect on our hydroelectric power nor our windpower. There could be a hit for agriculture but I doubt that as agriculture absorbs CO2 and makes produce. Farmers use a few tonnes of fuel to make many tons of produce. If I import NiFe batteries or PV panels from China there could be an effect on freight but implementing renewable energy sources on my property should get me some kind of a discount/deduction. I’m not worried. I think a lot of people will flee USA to evade Trump and his scrapping of Obamacare. Canada is the most hospitable country close by.

  10. dougman says:

    Come now Robert, comparing Hammy to Einstein? Speaking from an alleged scientific background that is a travesty, you should be ex-communicated!

    Everyone that knows Oiaohm online, knows him as a fool to the Nth degree, there is no argument there, even you would agree. If you don’t well, there is the old phrase, “Birds of a feather, flock together”

    Jesus, are you going to keep dragging TRUMP and politics into the conversation? I would dare say that many of Canadian industry will pickup and leave Canada for America, due to the carbon taxes. Lets see starting at $10/ton in 2018 and climbing to $50/ton 2022. This is tax on everything, all economic gain for no environmental gain.

  11. dougman wrote, “Its your job to prove that your accusations are true. But you are not able to do so which makes you a liar.”

    That’s false. Einstein was not a liar for stating his theory of relativity even though he could not prove it to be true without unprovable assumptions. An accusation can well be an opinion based on all kinds of evidence some of which may be unprovable to others’ satisfaction. That is what debate, conjecture and reasoning are all about. OTOH, if we’ve caught Trump in 99 consecutive lies there’s plenty of reason to suspect he will lie again. It’s what he does. I don’t think oiaohm does that even though I don’t agree with a lot of what he writes. Some I don’t care about. Some I do and I point out the error of his ways. There is little basis to claim he is a liar for we don’t know all he knows and communication is difficult over the web.

  12. dougman says:

    Since when is insulting someone, a predication for being a loser? If anything, I have shown without a doubt, how much of an dumb-ass you truly are. Everything about you is a fraud.

    To to formally respond , I don’t have to prove anything. Its your job to prove that your accusations are true. But you are not able to do so which makes you a liar.

    Pissoff Oiaohm.

  13. oiaohm says:

    dougman basically you just want to insult. Just shows you are a total loser.

  14. dougman says:

    Dimwitted Marfan,

    What I stated, “Ham-Dong isn’t true”, which in it’s simplest terms is absolute. This is proven by your own admission’s and from entries posted on Roberts and other blog’s on the internet. You have proved time immemorial, that you are a aboriginal drongo.

  15. oiaohm says:

    dougman if its a lie prove it. In this case you cannot. Everything I have stated is back able with documented fact if you know where to look.

    The flaw in sat monitoring was found 20+ years ago in the wargame where Australian forces used cyclone and flaws in sat monitoring to make USA fleet believe the ship they had taken control of had sunk yet it had instead been taken into Australian port.

    With MH370 at the time it goes missing has the same kind of sat pattern in sky leaving gaps as existed. Now either this is dumb luck or someone copied what the Australian forces did to disappear a ship with an aircraft over 20 years latter by the time the method would have been forgot about.

  16. dougman says:

    Ham-Dong isn’t true, such the liar that he is.

  17. oiaohm says:

    “At least three major powers have 24/7 live coverage tracking of the entire planet. All three have to know what happened to that plane.”
    This is not true for the USA at least. All Sat data in the area MH-370 went missing in came though Australian hands in Pinegap. That data was officially searched by Australia.

    American command centers
    Ram this is not true. Australia-USA joint command centre controls the MH-370. Note the order. Australia has the right to block data leaving Pinegap to the USA. So when it comes to a MH-370 sat data question from the USA system its Australia that has to be asked. If something is classed sensitive to Australia interest it may be filtered out what USA mainland see.

    Some of the issue is where MH-370 end up going is where there is no targets of interest to monitor.

    https://www.rt.com/news/313221-space-map-satellite-orbit/
    Also most people are not aware that almost 4/5 of the satellites in orbit these days are dead flying junk. So at times there are areas on the earth surface that cannot have sat coverage with an active functional sat because a old busted and no longer working sat is in the way and this can in fact last for over 24 hours of no coverage on a particular areas of the earth surface.

    With MH-370 it would be really useful to have the map of areas that did have decent sat coverage at the time that confirmed the aircraft was not in those locations or provided more flight path information.

    If someone goes in USA, Russia or China control centres rooms they will see global sat maps issue is how current those maps are. Global sat maps superpowers use are somewhere between current and 4 days out of date. Yes an area may not have active sat pass over for 3 day before an active sat passes over again then it might take 24 hours for the sat to get the data down a downlink location. Depending on military sat monitoring for search and rescue is not highly wise.

    MH-370 was confirmed as still flying due to it still sending engine telemetry data. If it had sent a GPS data as well it would have been a fairly simple find.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-engine-data-suggests-jet-flew-5-hours-could-have-reached-places-1440071

    The reality here is engine telemetry data in commercial jets cannot be turned off in cockpit without turning the engines off. Yet you can turn off transponder and other tracking systems from the cockpit.

    MH370 from telemetry data flys 2000kms from its last reported radar location into a Sat coverage black hole caused by weather and sat locations. If this was planned someone knew where the sat coverage black hole was going to be.

    There is a particular example in Australia vs USA war games where Australian forces took a USA ship for 72 hours and had the USA forces believing it was sunk due to Sat imaging weaknesses. So yes it possible to plan intentionally to take advantage of the weaknesses in the global sat cover and make something disappear. Question is was MH370 2000km flight path of unknown intentionally designed to avoid sat and radar detection or was that just luck.

  18. ram wrote, “That area was covered so many ways it is not funny.”

    So, then, you are required to explain why every country on Earth has conspired to hide the location of the jet… It’s in no one’s interest to do that, so your theory is extremely painted into a corner.

  19. ram says:

    Not speculation. I haven’t been in Russian command centers, although I have been aboard a Russian destroyer and a submarine. I have been in Chinese and American command centers (don’t ask!), and they can certainly see everything worldwide. I think it is safe to say the Russians (at least) have similar capabilities.

    French and Indian capabilities have also been increasing as of late. That area was covered so many ways it is not funny.

  20. ram wrote, “At least three major powers have 24/7 live coverage tracking of the entire planet. All three have to know what happened to that plane.”

    Pure speculation that. Coverage of anything is most likely by satellite and the damned things orbit. The geostationary kind don’t give good coverage far from the equator where that plane ended up. So, it’s piecemeal time-sliced coverage or nothing. Plenty of room for a plane to slip through. The major powers don’t have any capability to stop a single intruder of any kind. They can and do respond to fleets of bombers/ships/satellite/rockets on the move. They only have to see a few to ring the alarm. The best the major powers can do for 100% detection is radar on/near shorelines. Then there are stealth technologies… Note this plane was out of radar range for much of the flight.

  21. dougman says:

    Robert always make weird speculations.

    “This is a very low-traffic region of the ocean. There is no reason any major power would be watching it.”

    That being the case, lets build a floating island and nuke Russia. They’d never know what hit them. That will teach them for messing around with our elections.

  22. ram says:

    At least three major powers have 24/7 live coverage tracking of the entire planet. All three have to know what happened to that plane.

    Those surveillance systems are in place so no other power can establish a truly secure Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine bastion or other similar function facility. The signature (radar, IR, acoustic, other) of weapons as small as a cruise missile launched anywhere on the planet would be (nearly) immediately detected and observed.

    Again, there is absolutely NO WAY something the size of a commercial airliner can just “disappear”.

  23. ram wrote, “The major powers, and even some of the minor ones, in addition to multi-spectral sensing satellites, also all have very long range over the horizon surveillance radars, and extremely long range undersea geoacoustic surveillance sonars.”

    This is a very low-traffic region of the ocean. There is no reason any major power would be watching it. If we suspect deliberate action this would be sufficient reason to choose this end-point. I suppose the Malaysians could have alerted the world to look if they hadn’t been asleep at the switch… I suspect the major powers may have pushed the search in some direction subtly if they had a clue but would not have wanted to reveal “sources and methods”. Again, there didn’t need to be such a big problem if there had been sufficient live tracking. Think search area of a few miles in size instead of a few hundred.

  24. ram says:

    The major powers, and even some of the minor ones, in addition to multi-spectral sensing satellites, also all have very long range over the horizon surveillance radars, and extremely long range undersea geoacoustic surveillance sonars. Plus there are all the submarines out there, most with sonars that would detect an ocean impact from hundreds of km away.

    I used to build these things. What they had twenty years ago would not let an airliner “disappear”. These days, I operate some of the above. Modern capabilities are amazing.

    I say again, there is no way for an airliner to just “disappear”. The mass media might as well say Santa Claus hijacked it and flew it to the moon where it was hidden in the Easter Bunny’s underground lair.

  25. ram wrote, “There is absolutely no way that a airliner evaded the surveillance assets of the major power in that region.”

    ? The whole fallout of the event was that airlines are not tracking their planes universally over oceans and it was at night so a lot of satellite surveillance would not have worked. It’s possible that a satellite might have tracked the plane by IR but the plane flew for hours and most surveillance satellites circle Earth hourly, not hovering over the Indian ocean. Rather than revealing sources and methods, USA or other powers could have “accidentally” discovered debris in the first couple of days, narrowing the search. Why wouldn’t they have done so if they had tracked the plane? The fact is that the Indian ocean is not a high priority target for the major powers.

  26. ram says:

    There is absolutely no way that a airliner evaded the surveillance assets of the major power in that region. The big powers know, but just are not saying.

  27. dougman says:

    With this being a computer centric blog, you sure do stray from that venue.

    I mean, if you are going to discuss politics perhaps you should be discussing Canadian politics, eh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cDmJRWBqSo

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