Syria – The Time For Talk Is Over

“The UN has suspended all aid convoys in Syria after a devastating air attack on its lorries near Aleppo on Monday.
 
The strikes destroyed 18 of the 31 lorries, which were bringing wheat, clothes and medical kit to the area around Urum al-Kubra.”
 
See Syria conflict: UN suspends all aid after convoy hit
The time for talking is over. Russia and Syria are guilty of war-crimes in Syria, bombing a UN convoy which had received official permission to deliver aid to besieged Syrians.

If they won’t be reasonable nor humane, the only answer is to shut down Syrian airspace and to bomb the Hell out of any military threatening civilians there. The world can’t reason with these folks. The world can’t be complicit in their crimes by inaction. The world must act against tyrants who’ve surrendered their humanity years ago. Further, the Syrian regime should be considered and treated exactly as Daesch, murdering bastards, who need to be murdered or driven out of power. They are who they are and support by Iran and Russia needs to be brushed aside by the world. Enough!

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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20 Responses to Syria – The Time For Talk Is Over

  1. dougman says:

    “They don’t share the information with any general public person.”

    Well true, you are ‘unlike’ any general public person! Well said.

  2. oiaohm says:

    I dare say never..I’m willing to bet you never breast fed in fact, more than likely you were abandoned as a child and adopted by the Aborigines, with black face paint and all. Earning a living picking vegetables in the outback.
    Meaning to be insulting. To take part in Aborigine tribal dances and learn their different hunting methods you have to be adopted into the tribe. They don’t share the information with any general public person.

    Remember what I said you use as a insult is most likely what you are. So I should think you are person who never had a mother and was taken in by a different culture and would stave to death before growing food. I have earn a living doing many different jobs. What you do when you want to see the place on a budget. There are places you get to stay for free for a week if you help them pick fruit or vegetables for a day. I not past doing backpack travelling from time to time.

  3. dougman says:

    “Means a lady using her breasts to get a someone beat up for her.”

    When’s the last time you have touched a woman’s bare breast? I dare say never..I’m willing to bet you never breast fed in fact, more than likely you were abandoned as a child and adopted by the Aborigines, with black face paint and all. Earning a living picking vegetables in the outback.

  4. Captain Sourya says:

    ISTR the uprising started from that, not foreign intervention.

    The “uprising” has its origins in the Muslim Brotherhood and its original demands centered around de-secularization. I put “uprising” in quotes because there was never a revolution, but rather, moderate scale protests, that were never as large as the millions who took to the streets in support of the president, or to welcome the Russian delegation.

    The protests died out 5 years ago when mujahideens started pouring into the country. The FSA does not exist, most defected to either ISIL or Nusra. The SDF was originally fighting on the government’s side but disintegrated when the Kurds turned on their former Armenian and Assyrian allies.

    With Assad killing his own people there were few resources to fight Daesch

    It’s like you’re not even aware of Nusra/Al Qaeda (they’re your precious “rebels”), which ISIL broke off from. Truth is loyalist forces had the terrorists on the run with their backs against a wall and supply lines cut off, up until coalition air strikes began — by the time Russia intervened, the terrorists had taken control of half the country.

    “Killing his own people” is odd, because we all know you’d never raise this charge over Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza, but seem to think Nusra and ISIL, which operate from within civilian areas (Nusra controls Ghouta and parts of Aleppo, for instance), are above the use of human shields. When terrorists operate from within residential areas. do you bomb them, or do you ask them nicely to come out into the open?

    Then he invited Iran and Russia to help in the killing.

    Iran has been involved from day 1, as a function of the Syrio-Iranian mutual defense pact, you’re literally making things up as talking points.

    The SAA has been able to make extensive gains against Nusra and ISIL since Russian air defenses were installed, that should suggest something even to the casual observer.

    Your insistence on a no-fly zone is testament to your ignorance. You have to overcome Russian air defenses and shoot down Russian jets in order to impose a NFZ. Nobody is diving headlong into the first head-on Great Power war in 70 years on the count of some ignorant, clueless blowhard in the middle of nowhere Manitoba demands it.

    And yet it is somehow Assad’s fault for fighting back? Any causalities are the fault of the Saudis and their friends.

    Pog is an Al Qaeda sympathizer, but is too clueless about the situation to realize it. It’s that simple, Kurks.

  5. oiaohm says:

    I find it laughable, you even had to look it up on Wikipedia.
    I a gave you the idiot the meaning because this has a completely different meaning to what you typed.
    tits for tat’s
    Means a lady using her breasts to get a someone beat up for her. Sometimes 1 extra letter alters meaning in insane ways. This is why I said you need to learn to type without changing things you moron.

  6. dougman says:

    I find it laughable, you even had to look it up on Wikipedia.

  7. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat
    Maybe when someone learns how to read and does not add letters maybe they will be able to put a correct reply instead of garbage. So another case of an attempted attack by a moron.

  8. dougman says:

    Does Ham-Schlong even know what tits for tat’s are?

  9. oiaohm says:

    http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/syrian-red-crescent-trucks-carry-humanitarian-aid-sent-by-news-photo/522487256
    Robert Pogson the problem I have here is how often clearly marked targets are getting bombed.

    The big difference is Assad is targeting markets and residential areas crowded with civilians. They are not collateral damage. They are his targets.
    Now the problem here. Collateral damage on unmarked targets due to incorrect information causing miss identification is part of war. Collateral damage on clearly marked targets you have to ask questions.

    Yes Assad targeting markets and residential areas directly kills people. Supply convoys destroyed at worst possible times can indirectly kill just as many. So underhanded way to kill civilians is cut them off from food and medical and blame it on supply line problems hopefully the force you are fighting against. So USA and Russia actions against marked to UN standard should trigger a major please explain to us how you are going to make sure this does not happen and why we should class you are not hostile force to civilians.

    You have to ask the question is USA and Russia playing a global tit for tat game at Syria expense. So they blow up some market target then try to blame it on the other one or lie about what it was to attempt to make themselves look better internationally.

    The worst was the USA displaying a video of a bomb hit on a hospital to the media as an successful strike against terrorists and the hospital had a clear red crescent marker on the roof where the bomb hit. At this point you know the USA doing enough after action study to know when they have blown up the wrong target or missed target.

    Yes if USA and Russia is only in Syria to play a tit for tat game they need to be told to leave and some other group pick up the role.

  10. kurkosdr says:

    Think about these things Robert.

    Aww.. don’t mentally stress Pog please. Just because the system worked for him, he believes his country and its allies have presidents/prime ministers than are better ruthless egomaniac warmongers than Russia’s ruthless egomaniac warmongers are.

  11. oiaohm wrote, ” So all military forces threatening civilians like everyone else in the area fairly much.”

    The big difference is Assad is targeting markets and residential areas crowded with civilians. They are not collateral damage. They are his targets.

  12. dougman says:

    “Robert, i think you have been little bit naive.”

    Little? LOL….All Canadians are like that.

  13. Mats Hagglund says:

    Uhhh…. “Vladimir Putin is hardly an…. angel…”

  14. Mats Hagglund says:

    Robert, the history has always been written by winners, not losers. The truth, what ever it might be is more or less little bit different. Not black and white but mostly grey. What ever we might think about Russia and Putin one thing is clear, he’s hardly so much worse than what some US presidents have done before (Teddy Roosevelt (Cuba, Philippines) Kennedy (Cuba, Vietnam), Johnson (Vietnam), Nixon (Cambodia, Chile), Carter &Brzezinski (backing faction we later called as Al Qaeda), Reagan (Iran-Contra, backing Saddam Hussein, George Bush (backing first Saddam Hussein, then trapping him with nice trick of Kuwait), Bill Clinton (even NATO commanders have confirmed that bombing Serbia was crime based on fake American “information” fed to media), George W. Bush (Iraq, where are WMD????) etc, etc….

    Robert, i think you have been little bit naive. Vladimir Putin is hardly an angle at all, no doubt and he has shot to his own leg. On the other hand i think his worst crime is that he ain’t such a puppet for Washington as Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin was. That’s the reason why Mrs Clinton is so so angry now. In reality she just like any other warlord in Washington doesn’t care a shit of war crimes. Secretary of State, Sumner Welles, once said “Somoza’s a bastard!” And Roosevelt replied, “Yes, but he’s our bastard.”

    Think about these things Robert.

  15. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafez_al-Assad

    kurkosdr wrote, “Syria was a fine country with a moderate ruler keeping the non-moderates in check”.
    This statement is true for before Hafez al-Assad. You cannot call Hafez al-Assad a moderate ruler and his son the current ruler is worse.

    kurkosdr there are some big problems here.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-civilians-war-crimes-amnesty-international-a6887096.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/calls-for-us-to-stop-bombing-syria-as-us-airstrike-kills-dozens/
    USA, Russia and Assad all guilty of cases of bombing buildings with UN hospital marks on the roof. Like it or not you are meant to take hospitals with boots on ground to keep civilian death count down.

    If they cannot avoid dropping bombs on buildings with the UN marks for hospitals displayed on the roof so detectable by satellite. They really should not be dropping bombs.

    If they won’t be reasonable nor humane, the only answer is to shut down Syrian airspace and to bomb the Hell out of any military threatening civilians there.
    This is a stupid idea with the current ones doing bombing for sure. Never really works without ground forces to cover areas air-strikes cannot see. With the current USA, RUSSIA and Assad bombing things with UN markers that are meant to ensure safety of civilians. So all military forces threatening civilians like everyone else in the area fairly much.

    In some ways we would be better to invite China to take control of the Syria airspace and do the bombings. As China have not attempted yet and they might be able to get the basics right of at least not put on bombs on targets with UN protection markers on them. Yes UN protection markers do also require registering with the UN to be totally valid so a force cannot put them on a roof and be magically protected. Seeing UN markers should be check database before bombing.

    The issue here is both USA and RUSSIA have veto powers in the UN so cannot be told to stop. So cannot be effectively punished for bombing targets that they are not meant to ever.

    The reality is from bombing from air it is basically impossible to be selective enough. Just consider how much you can in fact see from above. What stops military forces doing their killing inside buildings so avoiding being detectable from above. Nothing other than learning that is the way of war.

    Yes bombing from above can take particularly types of weapons like tanks and field guns off the battle field. Can never stop the battle.

    Air-strikes are really not a solution. In fact invalid air-strikes just fuels the war. Yes it better to let enemy get away than perform a invalid air-strike long term. A solution requires boots on ground from someone group that is trust-able to-do the right thing and who the local population will accept as here to help them.

    Yes the USA and Russia people bombing are not that trust-able. I am surprised it took so long for the USA to bomb their allies this time. Unless it been covered up of course. Australian records from both of the gulf wars say USA managed to muck it up both times in under 24 hours and with repeated on going stuff ups. So Syria mess is totally not surprising. So we really do need some UN air-force that can do quality bombing work as we currently don’t have one. Until we do calling for more air-strikes is not going to turn out too well long term.

  16. kurkosdr says:

    I rather Russia be an ally and engage in reasonable trade with America,

    Not gonna happen, Russia being an ally with the US. Russia wants to keep it’s natural gas near-monopoly in Europe, while the US needs to bring middle-eastern natural gas into Europe, running the pipes through Syria, hence loosening Russians near monopoly. When money talks, “let’s just be friends” talk takes the bus.

    But you see, Assad is Russia’s friend. Which is btw the reason European and American media called Assad a “monster” and urged the US government to “hit him hard”, while calling AlNusra and ISIS “fighters”.

  17. dougman says:

    “…”Russia needs to be brushed aside by the world.”

    Bruh, are you stupid of something? Hitler & Napoleon tried to do just that but failed miserably. I rather Russia be an ally and engage in reasonable trade with America, then trying in vain to “brush them aside”.

  18. kurkosdr says:

    ” torturing/killing men women and children. ”

    If they were the wrong kind of Muslims, aka the ones that made Lybia the mess it is now or the ones who voted the Muslim brotherhood into government in Egypt, then they had it coming.

    Let’s be honest, some Muslim countries need a dictator to keep the wrong kind of Muslims (non-moderates) down.

    Of course, if the dictator himself is the wrong kind of Muslim (Saudi Arabia), then this is bad. Not that it prevents the US and Canada from befriending them…

  19. pogson says:

    kurkosdr wrote, “Syria was a fine country with a moderate ruler keeping the non-moderates in check”.

    Let’s see: torturing/killing men women and children. ISTR the uprising started from that, not foreign intervention. With Assad killing his own people there were few resources to fight Daesch. Then he invited Iran and Russia to help in the killing.

  20. kurkosdr says:

    Pog, do you believe everything the mass media says? Do you really believe the Syrian government are as bad as ISIS?

    Let’s assume the Syrian government hit the convoy (and that is a big if). The answer is simple: there will be casualties. You can thank the Saudis (who btw are friends of the US and Canada and contributors to Clinton’s campaign in case you haven’t noticed) for sending people with black flags to Syria and causing this mess. All that help to besieged people will almost certainly fall to ISIS hands. They won’t exactly ask to take it from the besieged.

    Brainwashing must run really deep if you watch the mass media regularly. There are people like Pog who still think there can be lasting piece in Syria without Assad and that without Assad, Syria won’t become Lybia.

    If Assad falls, who will manage Syria? AlNusra? The “moderates” of the FSA (except when people in their ranks flee to AlNusra and become less moderate)? ISIS? The Kurds want only a small piece of Syria and aren’t interested in the whole thing.

    Syria was a fine country with a moderate ruler keeping the non-moderates in check and preventing them from force-procetylizing the moderates, before the friend of US and Canada, aka the Saudis, send people with black flags to Syria to make a mess. And yet it is somehow Assad’s fault for fighting back? Any causalities are the fault of the Saudis and their friends.

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