Pigs Fly. M$ Pressures People To Migrate To GNU/Linux!

“The short answer is Intel’s Kaby Lake aka its seventh-generation Core i3, i5 and i7 processors, and AMD’s Zen-based chips, are not locked down to Windows 10: they’ll boot Linux, the BSDs, Chrome OS, home-brew kernels, OS X, whatever software supports them.So if you want to use Linux or some other non-Windows OS on your new CPUs, you’ll be fine. It’s OK, we checked.”
 
See Latest Intel, AMD chips will only run Windows 10 … and Linux, BSD, OS X
It used to be that M$ moved Heaven and Earth to force people to run That Other OS on everything out there. No more. In the Age of ARM and old PCs, M$ is deliberately supporting no hardware but the newest chips. That’s refreshing. TOOS, the disposable OS. Running 1K desktops with “7” on 3 year old PCs? Need the latest OS to fight malware/hackers or run the latest software? Go GNU/Linux! It will work for you on old or new hardware and you needn’t worry about paying M$ ever again and you may never again be forced to change your OS just because you buy new hardware. Life is good. It all turns out in the end.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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11 Responses to Pigs Fly. M$ Pressures People To Migrate To GNU/Linux!

  1. oiaohm says:

    dougman GNU/Windows is used for a while then someone developed suitable name replacements.
    http://www.mingw.org/wiki/mingw
    MinGW (“Minimalistic GNU for Windows”) and Cygwin what is Cygnus and windows merge into a name.

    The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle – the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without the free software provided by GNU.
    Basically here is dougman going lets make things up instead of looking at the facts why GNU/Windows is not used that much any more when it was back in history used quite a lot. It was not even pushed by FSF. It was used quite a bit for a fair amount of time. The issue is suitable replacement. Debian does not have a suitable replacement for GNU/Linux the spliced name of GNU and Linux has been universally rejected and no other term has been created to describe the Linux user space.

    dougman here is a good one Microsoft bash for windows that uses the Ubuntu user-space but absolutely nothing of the Linux kernel you might be able to call that Ubuntu User-Space but its 100 percent sure not in fact Linux as Linux is the kernel.

    Basically we need a short name that say this is a normal Linux Desktop userspace using Linux syscalls that might have a Linux kernel under it and might not to replace the GNU part of GNU/Linux.

    The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system.
    The big thing you miss is the kernel can emulate other operating systems. So just because you have X kernel you don’t have to have Y userspace. Even window has had like win32, win64, OS/2 mode, Posix modes over history. As a developer do have to label what you have targeted as a userspace. Please note when you say something is win32 or win64 this does not say a particular Windows kernel but is a userspace name.

    There is no formal userspace name for what the Linux kernel provides that is short. Deiban Linux Desktop Userspace/Linux, Deiban Linux Desktop Userspace/hurd… would just look horible.

    dougman the GNU/Linux usage is nothing more than something that really should have a name never got a name so GNU is uses as the closest name to use.

  2. dougman says:

    I believe it is time that people stopped using the term ‘Windows’ for their operating system. JUST STOP IT!

    The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle – the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without the free software provided by GNU.

    The kernel is an important part of the system, sure, but only one among many important parts. We therefore think that, to give full credit to the authors, the whole system should be termed GNU/Windows.

    However, as some who are referring to it GNU/Windows, is in fact, GNU/Windows/NT, GNU plus Windows plus NT. GNU/Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another non-free component of a fully functioning Microsoft system made useful by the NT kernel, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

    Many computer users run a modified version of the NT system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of NT which is widely used today is often called “GNU/Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NT system, developed by Microsoft’s NT team.

    There really is a GNU/Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. GNU/Windows is the userspace: programs that you run as the user. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. GNU/Windows is normally used in combination with the NT kernel: the whole system is basically GNU with Windows added with NT added, or GNU/Windows/NT. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Windows/NT.

  3. dougman wrote, “Just simply use Linux.”

    That would tell the listener very little about the kind of OS involved. */Linux is a vast array of OS, everything from micro-controllers for frypans to HPC clusters filling large rooms. I’m particularly oriented to GNU/Linux for desktops/clients and servers. GNU/Linux says it all for my usage.

  4. oiaohm says:

    Debian GNU/Linux or GNU/Linux Debian
    You see both of those in Debian publications dougman particularly in publications with GNU/Hurd and other sub branches of debian..

    Even Linus has mentioned that the entire issue over adding GNU to Linux is ridiculous.

    Linus has said in the debian environment it does in fact make sense if you read everything he as said on the topic.

    A large part of the basic tools that fill out the operating system come from the GNU project; hence the names: GNU/Linux, GNU/kFreeBSD, and GNU/Hurd. These tools are also free.
    You did not read that line dougman.

    Most people make mistake about Debian. Debian is not a Distribution when the name is used by itself it a foundation that can host many projects obeying the same core ideas.

    So Debian GNU/Linux really does make sense. Let say someone decided to start a new branch in debian with a new runtime for example someone decide to have musl libc instead of the normal glibc core. Then you could see something like Musl/Linux.

    The reality is just simple use Linux is not valid thinking that Debian constitution its legal to start new trees and a tree need a userspace name and a kernel name.

    Of course you don’t see GNU/Debian as that kinda makes no sense. GNU has no direct control over the Debian foundation. You did see FSF/Debian when FSF was providing money to start up Debian project.

    You could say Debian choice of GNU to name userspace is a historic mistake we are stuck with. Attempting to rename everywhere GNU/Linux is used in Debian to something else would be a horible nightmare and lead to massive arguments. Remember the Musl/Linux possiblity. So userspace of Debian has to have a name.

    As I said when debian started most of the userspace was GNU in fact first version of Debian does not have any X11 it is purely GNU text based userspace.

    dougman basically everyone says don’t use GNU/Linux and only use Linux but that is totally not helpful to Debian development. Give us a better name than GNU to use remembering the Debian foundation constitution allows the foundation to host multi different user-space solutions for a single kernel type so userspace solutions have to be named.

    Most of the force keeping GNU/Linux term alive comes from the Debian world that is stuck between a rock and hard place been told not to use GNU/Linux and not being provided with a suitable alternative and needing a suitable alternative. Just Linux is not a suitable alternative.

  5. dougman says:

    You don’t see GNU/Debian, Debian GNU/Linux or GNU/Linux Debian do you? I wonder why??

    Even Linus has mentioned that the entire issue over adding GNU to Linux is ridiculous.

    It’s a mistake to focus only on the term “GNU”, as the average distribution contains software from a variety of organizations and could be simply called Mozilla/KDE/Apache/X.org/GNU/Linux with similar justification, but thankfully it is not…..whew. I am sure I left many other contributors out of the list, but you get the point.

    Just simply use Linux.

  6. oiaohm says:

    https://www.debian.org/intro/about
    dougman GNU/Linux is what Debian calls it Linux section. So saying nobody uses it is kinda wrong.

    Robert Pogson is a long term debian user so calling it GNU/Linux is normal and books written normally by Debian users have it in title more often than not.

    Using the GNU/Linux term like you do, shows just how confused by Stallman propaganda you are.
    Not really. First release of Debian GNU/Linux was fairly much GNU projects + the Linux kernel.

    Android being one example of many.— To be truthful most Android kernels and modules are still built with gcc due to performance issues using llvm or anything else. Gcc is a darn good c complier. Not quite as good in C++. So android is interesting kernel built with one complier userspace built with a different one.

    https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch01s02.html.en

    About time you read welcome to Debian. This is Bruce Perens not “Stallman propaganda”. This is why most attempt to stop usage of GNU/Linux fail. Debian user use the term GNU/Linux for historic reasons about debian to describe a Linux system with a GNU glibc. Debain users don’t call Android/Linux GNU/Linux in most cases.

  7. dougman wrote, “Linux is simply the operating system which cannot be labelled to necessitate GNU software or GPL licensing.”

    I wonder if there’s actually a point in there. In fact, I use GNU/Linux and there’s plenty of GPL and GNU in it unlike Android/Linux.

  8. dougman says:

    Using the GNU/Linux term like you do, shows just how confused by Stallman propaganda you are.

    GNU has very little to do with specifically defining Linux. Linux is simply the operating system which cannot be labelled to necessitate GNU software or GPL licensing. Linux can work without GNU utilities, just as kernel modules can be written without GNU tools, Android being one example of many.

  9. dougman wrote, “If you look at the magazines on the shelf of your local newsagents then you will see “Linux Format”, “Linux User And Developer” and “Linux Journal”.”

    Well, I’m not responsible for their ignorance. You should ask them why they don’t use the proper term.

    420 results for “gnu linux” on Amazon. There are 1543 results for GNU.

  10. dougman says:

    BTW: Why do you insist in using the antiquated term “GNU/Linux”?

    If you look at the magazines on the shelf of your local newsagents then you will see “Linux Format”, “Linux User And Developer” and “Linux Journal”.

    The truth is that nobody uses the term GNU/Linux, don’t be a nobody!

  11. dougman says:

    My UNRAID NAS has an i3 and it runs smooth. M$ is one big stinkin’ turd.

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