Best Practices Declared Evil By The Ignorant

“She and her lawyers had those emails deleted. And they didn’t just push the delete button; they had them deleted where even God can’t read them. They were using something called BleachBit. You don’t use BleachBit for yoga emails or bridesmaids emails. When you’re using BleachBit, it is something you really do not want the world to see.”
 
Hillary Clinton Used BleachBit To Wipe Emails
I’ve not forgotten one school where an older server was being decommissioned. It was pretty feeble but it had two speedy SCSI hard drives that could have improved access to data on the sub-network in my classroom… Nope. They had to be destroyed because just deleting the data in the normal fashion was not sufficiently secure… This was in a school in a remote community north of the Arctic circle where the most critical data might have been a memo to Personnel or a letter to a parent. There probably was not a spy within a thousand miles, yet those drives were removed and smashed with a sledge-hammer. That was “best practice” a decade ago. Now, wiping drives electronically is touted as evidence of criminal intent… Sigh.

Clinton has apologized for using her own server to secure e-mail rather than using a government system (saving taxes) and likely being more secure than using Gmail or Hotmail (none of thousands of employees with an axe to grind could get at those e-mails in the course of business). She should have been given a medal for going above and beyond the call of duty. Despite e-mail being somewhat innovative at the time Clinton definitely improved her State Department’s efficiency by going electronic rather than only shuffling paper. Nope. The Luddites have to condemn her retroactively for actually doing her job.

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16 Responses to Best Practices Declared Evil By The Ignorant

  1. oiaohm says:

    dougman Australian law is interesting. I am a born Australian but due to blood line is a dual cit.

    So you’re not even full-fledge, perhaps you are a aboriginal or even a shackle dragger, trying to make a living by pretending to know everything.
    So I am technically full-fledge Australian and a dual citizenship. Issue is citizenship I get by blood I will lose if I gain another citizenship. Its the law of the other citizenship. Also the law of the other citizenship is also nasty. If I lose my Australian citizenship I lose my other citizenship. That is the thing that is interesting about dual citizen status some demand you still have your citizenship of birth intact.

    Yes, you’ve been fact checking with factcheck.org…LOL<< factcheck.org is more correct than you are as well dougman. The fact you LOL it shows how wrong you are.

  2. oiaohm says:

    https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf
    dougman page 5 document numbering 8 by pdf numbering contains the smoking gun of trouble.

    1995 published a proposed addendum to cover emails to Federal Records Act. It takes under Dec 2014 to be ratified. If addendum had be voted in sooner Hillary Clinton would not have been allowed to run non government email server the way she did.

    Code of Federal Regulations and Foreign Affairs Manual was updated in 1995. Here is the big flaw in the system.

    Code of Federal Regulations and Foreign Affairs Manual does not legally apply to Secretary of state . Because member of Secretary of state is technically part of Presidential staff who are not covered by either set of rules.

    Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014 contains the 1995 NARA proposed addendum. Addendum from 1995 that took under 2014 to be officially include having to use security cleared personal on electronic services.

    dougman basically you have a comedy of errors. Presidential Staff have a different Records rules to general Federal Staff in the USA.

    The comedy of errors making you ask why does the USA government need four different documentation retention rules. Those being Code of Federal Regulations, Foreign Affairs Manual, Federal Records Act and Presidential Records Act. When these get out of sync bad things normally happen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States
    The cabinet that Secretary of state is part of is not covered by any of the core government documents.

    dougman this is what happens when you fact check that mess. It is truly a mess of too many cooks in kitchen. This is why some believe that Secretary Clinton did the wrong thing because they applying rules that did not even apply to her. Of course common sense says is stupid to have 4 different rules for document retention.

  3. dougman says:

    Careful hammy: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32955016

    You never know what is lurking around the next bush in the outback, I dare say.

    Australia, where women glow and men plunder.

  4. dougman says:

    “What I am doing is basic fact checking.”

    Yes, you’ve been fact checking with factcheck.org…LOL

    “I am not giving up my duel cit status to sort out USA stupidity.”

    So you’re not even full-fledge, perhaps you are a aboriginal or even a shackle dragger, trying to make a living by pretending to know everything.

  5. oiaohm says:

    dougman before dec 2014 USA Congress and other sections of the USA government were leaking information like mad.

    You are missing your calling, seriously. Convert to Islam, claim refugee status, come to America and run for Congress! With you vast knowledge, you would wipe the slate clean.
    What I am doing is basic fact checking. Stuff you have not being doing.

    Most of the stuff around Secretary Clinton over the emails is beat her up so people don’t look deeper at the polices and rules in effect at the time to see that before Dec 2014 the complete system was stuffed with multi locations leaking data.

    Do take note
    As early as 2009, officials with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) expressed concerns over possible violations of normal federal government record-keeping procedures at the Department of State under Secretary Clinton.
    This was the first time someone questioned if there was a issue with record keeping yet it takes until Dec 2014 for the procedures to be updated.

    I dig it!…it was a super beat up by a Congressman, but wooo lets take the word of a peon from Australia that knows everything instead.
    Really why should anyone trust USA media who fails to fact check stuff that you keep on quoting.

    dougman you quote Federal Records Act as grounds of how she had done wrong. All I did was go fact check if anything there in fact backed you case. The answer was nothing did. Yes 2009 there was a question from NARA of concern about how things were operating that it might be illegal. Reality it was not illegal until Dec 2014 when the rules were finally corrected.

    Islam you are also failing to fact check.

    I am not giving up my duel cit status to sort out USA stupidity. Are USA people not taught to fact check in school??? So then the media can get away with all kinds of garbage.

  6. dougman says:

    I dig it!…it was a super beat up by a Congressman, but wooo lets take the word of a peon from Australia that knows everything instead.

    You are missing your calling, seriously. Convert to Islam, claim refugee status, come to America and run for Congress! With you vast knowledge, you would wipe the slate clean.

    Step up to the plate..you can do it!

  7. oiaohm says:

    dougman also that is a super beat up as well. There was no requirement at the time either for Secretary Clinton or any other person to use Email serviced by people with security clearances.

    Really the Secretary Clinton mess shows how crap the USA information rules were before Dec 2014. No requirement to send emails to national archives. No requirement to use cleared personal. Basically no requirements on anything it was a true wild wild west of information handling.

    If you dig it was not just Secretary Clinton who was not using cleared IT personal.

  8. dougman says:

    BTW, these IT folk you glorify. Seems they did not have security clearances, whoooops!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kibpid1tNtM

  9. On a tangentially related note, Australia’s Department of Defence will be adopting a system of thin clients so users can access classified and non-classified systems from a single screen. Unfortunately they are using That Other OS… Too bad they’ve only dealt with part of the problem.

  10. dougman wrote, “Businesses today have email retention policies in-place, if you do not abide by it you’re fired.”

    1. Hillary was not operating State today but in the past. This is a retroactive witch-hunt.
    2. I did work in government for many years and more than once for a government that provided e-mail “for work”. Rather than have two e-mail addresses, I continued to use Gmail for most stuff and just “checked” my government account for bulletins. I was not fired ever for using Gmail. I did get into trouble more than once for using the damned government system because some folks thought I was “politically incorrect”… One time after a conference where 1/3 of the teachers got food-poisoning I mentioned that fact amid a dozen glowing reports of the success of the conference… and another time I was accused of shouting because the damned system copied my font-size to the recipient…

    So, I think Hillary did the right thing. An immature governmental e-mail system is worse than having a server in your basement.

  11. oiaohm wrote, “while investigating Secretary Clinton they found people using servers commercial email accounts (that would be something like google) who had their email account hacked and those had full time IT staff. Yet we have not hear a peep about who they were.”

    It’s worse than that. State had an intrusion and their e-mail system was hacked. Hillary’s was not… So, the R’s are pursuing her for not having hacked e-mail… Go figure.

  12. oiaohm says:

    http://www.policypatrol.com/what-are-the-sec-rules-for-email-archiving/

    I dare anyone to use that line in court, as to why you did not retain your email records. The judge would toss your butt in jail! Businesses today have email retention policies in-place, if you do not abide by it you’re fired.
    To be correct most Businesses over retain email. Depending on what country you are and what the email is over effects how long a business has to legally retain it. Some are instantly delete no trouble like spam. In fact at the time there was no regulation covering Hillary Clinton on archiving.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Records_Act
    Email was not include under the Federal Record Act in the USA until Dec 2014. And the alteration is not retrospective. So technically the USA National Archives and Records Administration(NARA) one morning could wake up and destroy all email records before 2014 and be legal.

    Next note the “1976 emphasized paperwork reduction and information lifecycle management” in the wikipedia. The key bit “information lifecycle management” what means depending on what the email is it has different requirements if it has to be archived at all. So you email someone in the office to query if they have some spare pens and staples of course a email like that does not have to be archived.

    1976 section of the rules means not every email has to be archived.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/05/484785586/fbi-recommends-no-charges-for-hillary-clinton-in-email-server-case

    Note email being included in required to be sent to national archives is after December 2014 and Hillary Clinton email server issue is before December 2014 so there was no legal requirement at that time to send anything from her server to national archives.

    Even under the current rules all the stuff Hillary Clinton did from private server was queries not orders/action causing. Kinda important queries don’t have the same mandatory requirement on archiving. Queries only have to be stored for 12 months max under the USA system and to be horrible stuff in this classification does not have to be sent to national archives either due to 1976 rules.

    Investigators did find evidence that “hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account,” he said.
    dougman So while investigating Secretary Clinton they found people using servers commercial email accounts (that would be something like google) who had their email account hacked and those had full time IT staff. Yet we have not hear a peep about who they were.

  13. dougman says:

    Factcheck? LOL….. about as reliable as http://weeklyworldnews.com/

    “The fact is that an e-mail is a document created for the purpose of communication, sent electronically, and received on some other computer. There’s nothing in the rules stating two copies of the e-mail must be retained or that every intermediate copy on every server enroute must be archived.”

    I dare anyone to use that line in court, as to why you did not retain your email records. The judge would toss your butt in jail! Businesses today have email retention policies in-place, if you do not abide by it you’re fired.

  14. dougman wrote, “All documents are recorded and archived. Hiding it from all three branches of government and public FOIA requests IS a crime.”

    …but Hillary can just yap all day long on the telephone doing crimes synchronously and it’s just fine… Yes, that makes sense. The fact is that an e-mail is a document created for the purpose of communication, sent electronically, and received on some other computer. There’s nothing in the rules stating two copies of the e-mail must be retained or that every intermediate copy on every server enroute must be archived. That’s just not possible with e-mail traversing third-party routes. So, Hillary e-mailing to/from some .gov account is already in the archive. So, there was no violation of FOIA/records. There could have been a problem with e-mail to/from some third party but the vast majority of Hillary’s stuff was within government or a few dignitaries. Her methods may have lost some e-mails but the ones filtered out as work-related were delivered eventually.

    You have to reflect that all this noise originally was about Benghazi. There was nothing there so the R’s have taken another tack. Perhaps eventually they will get her for leaving chewing gum in official cars. It’s all a collosal waste of time. Remember previous secretaries took none of these “correct” steps. The fact that she used a private server she controlled rather than a private server that Google or M$ controlled is a huge plus if you ask me. I don’t think there was ever any intent to hide documents in the process. Otherwise she would have used phone calls or non-governmental messengers to do the deeds. Heck, she could have met in person with no documentation whatsoever.

    Look at it this way. If you want to lower the GDP of USA to zero, just hire people to investigate what everyone in government has ever done hour by hour for decades… After all, you need oversight, eh? [SARCASM]

    The purpose of investigation is to verify/confirm or examine people and processes to make the system better. This witch-hunt is not about doing any of that. On Day One, all anyone needed to do was make a ruling that e-mail must be handled in a particular way and be done with it. Instead, people have wasted $millions reading tens of thousands of old e-mails instead of identifying their existence, routing, and how it could have been done differently. Government has proper rules about how money should be handled. They can do the same about e-mail. Would government be better without e-mail? I don’t think so. Asynchronous communication is valuable.

  15. oiaohm says:

    dougman there is another problem with here.
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-guide-to-clintons-emails/

    If you notice here when they were checking out Hillary Clinton they found many other staff doing almost exactly the same thing. Yes using private email accounts for government business and not submitting the emails sent and receive to archive.

    The Federal Records Act prohibits government business on personal email accounts, unless the communications are copied and turned over to the National Archives within 20 days, obviously this wasn’t done.
    Sorry to say this is false. If you in fact look at the Records Act “normal day-to-day operations” done by any email account has to be submitted to archives within 20 days what Hillary Clinton used her provided government account for by all documents so far. Now the email is called emergency and it done as a private email its optional to submit it by the rules at the time even up to 6 months ago.

    Basically the rules had a loop hole dougman. I kinda find it bad that Hillary Clinton only is being hit over this thinking how many others have just got a slap over the wrist and told not to do it again. The practise of using private emails and not submitting the information to archives pre-dates any Clinton in DC. Yes the rules have been stuffed for ages and staff in DC have been doing the wrong thing for ages. Hillary Clinton difference is she owned the server it was done from.

    Also note the scrubbing with a approved tool what depending on the department may or may not include bleachbit is in fact correct process. Hillary Clinton email mess issue is a perfect example of how the rules at the time were totally stuffed. Yes mandating usage of cleaning tools while not mandating in all cases submitting to archives.

    dougman personally I see Hillary Clinton email stuff as a political witch hunt. I would be very suspect that if you did a true audit going back there were be other politician people who were using private email accounts and not submitting are were not caught because 1 it was not 100 percent against the rules 2 no one was looking for it.

    Most important one is they fix the rules so there is no loop hole to allow not submitting to archives going forwards.

  16. dougman says:

    “Now, wiping drives electronically is touted as evidence of criminal intent”

    Obviously, you do not know how the U.S. government works.

    All documents are recorded and archived. Hiding it from all three branches of government and public FOIA requests IS a crime. The Federal Records Act prohibits government business on personal email accounts, unless the communications are copied and turned over to the National Archives within 20 days, obviously this wasn’t done.

    The story isn’t over yet. There are still at least two possible sources from where those emails could be retrieved.

    Here: https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/utah-data-center.html

    and/or

    Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moscow,_Bolshaya_Lubyanka_2_Jan_2010_

    The next Wikileaks release will be interesting to say the least.

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