Whipper-snippery

A string trimmer is essential for my property. The municipality won’t allow keeping goats although one has been seen in the neighbourhood…

This has been a pretty good year for weeds. We had modest rains in the heat of summer so the weeds slowed while we planted TLW’s trees. Now that the rains of August have arrived, the weeds are trying to take over. We’ve gone through three string trimmers in the last year. They are not very durable. The latest was a Homelite curved shaft 26cm3 beauty. It’s light, cuts well, has great balance and fit me well. Alas, the head end melted down. I smelt hot plastic, and found the shield had sagged and was rubbing on the hub. Replacement parts are available at a decent price but freight is a killer. To replace the lower boom, for instance, the part costs $15 but the shipping is $30. We decided to buy a second unit to get back into business. It was only $94 CDN at Home Depot. There are advantages to having two. TLW likes to whack weeds too. In fact she has snipped several of my seedling trees… This new one should last us this season and next year, with my annuity plumped up, we can order several parts to keep in stock with less shipping overhead. Here are pictures of the carton and the contents before and after assembly.

On the first start, I flooded the carburetor. The manual says to run it for 10s to warm up and then disable the choke. Apparently, the carburetor is a bit rich and only a few seconds are necessary or desirable. I may have to tweak it a bit after break-in. As expected the machine cut like a Tasmanian devil and was effortless to control with finesse. It just seems to fit my body. My hands were “buzzing” for a while afterwards, so I guess there is some vibration. I will pace myself… 😉 The damage done to the weeds was more than worth this little inconvenience. The wing-nut clamping the shield to the shaft loosened but I spotted it as I was putting it away and gave it another turn or two. That clamp is just plastic and I was afraid to give it much torque for fear of cracking it. I guess I was too cautious.

Besides the ease of use this trimmer has some quirks. The lower boom is not user-serviceable. I can’t just disassemble it and keep it greased to avoid the inevitable meltdown. Fortunately, today, despite heavy use, the shaft barely warmed up. We’re good for the season, likely.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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22 Responses to Whipper-snippery

  1. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson even sorting them without scarify and spread the sinking and floaters as two different spreads results end up not ending up with huge holes in the planting because an area has not got hit just with floaters. Basically before planting bucket sort is a good idea with it to get even spread.

    The most recent paper on Glyphosate
    https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/corporate_publications/files/efsaexplainsglyphosate151112en.pdf
    Is that is not a direct cancer agent as it does not cause any DNA modifications.

    Glyphosate is in the same camp as vinger(acetic acid) indirect cancer causing due to triggering cell death. Asbestosis is the one of the worst of the indirect cancer causing. Indirect cancer causing works be being a cell killer. Also if you read more papers you will find Glyphosate cell lethality changes massively when it mixed with a surfactant guess what vinger(acetic acid) mixed with a surfactant becomes a human cell killer as well.

    Please note when I say surfactant its any form of surfactant. The diy mixes of vinger you see them mixed with dish-washing liquid and the like same problem. “vinegar and dish soap” So this by dougman is in fact a quite a nasty toxin.

    http://www.sensualappealblog.com/whats-all-the-fuss-about-apple-cider-vinegar/
    Even your house hold vinegar if you are having too much of it will work as a indirect cancer trigger somewhere in your body.

    Just because we use something on food and eat it does not mean its safe for us to come into contact with excessive volume of it.

    So vinger(acetic acid) and Glyphosate are both human toxins and both in human cell can trigger or prevent/cure cancer and its all about dosage and what cell take it up. Due to vinger(acetic acid) being a known human toxin around the same level as Glyphosate if you are using it then it better match performance.

    Due to nature of both vinger(acetic acid) and Glyphosate more likely to harm fast growing cells. People fail to notice children in taste are naturally attracted to sweet and avoid acid all bar citric acid. This is not some random fluke nature has coded children that was so while they have fast growing cells they avoid stuff with high volumes of acetic acid and other toxins that effect humans.

    Citric acid is due to a very odd dna mutilation where humans need Citric acid but we cannot produce it means its not a toxin at the same percent level as vinger(acetic acid). Even citric acid is not without it issues photosensitivity to the sun has been recorded.

    Avoid chemicals completely and use hot-water and manual methods is the safest option and should always be first option. Everything in a spray bottle for a garden has a draw back and a lot of those draw backs are exactly identical so a lot of cases it comes purely down to effectiveness to reduce volume of exposure.

    Really there is something we call lot of these diy plant killing mixes. Witches brews. People make them without understanding the toxicity of what they are using.

  2. oiaohm wrote, “Yes I more know it as Jota but the seeds are basically the same nightmare.”

    In my case, there’s no nightmare. I have thousands of seeds so if I plant them uniformly distributed I will have all the clover I need to cover a strip across my property. If I sort and scarify the floaters it simply means the instant germination rate will rise and the longterm rate will decrease. It doesn’t matter. Mowing controls weediness in either case. I also want the soil-improvement, good looks and bees associated with clover. That’s not a nightmare but a dream come true.

  3. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson brain caught up with self.
    http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/forb/melspp/all.html
    Germination: Sweetclover generally produces both readily germinable and water-impermeable or “hard” seeds.
    –Collected a couple thousand seeds of sweet clover first so that I can plant a patch. —
    The test for hard is they remain floating. You might only have 10 percent or less of the seeds you have collected that are viable to plant without treatment but it quite simple to find out.

    –Scarification helps but is added complexity. —
    True and false. Scarification on seeds that don’t need it harms germination. Bucket water and seeds is a really simple starting sort next year and then use the ones that sink at that time. No point planting the seeds that float without using Scarification of some form on them. Its a plant that you only plant the seeds that sink the seeds that float need treatment.

    http://www.regional.org.au/au/asa/2006/poster/soil/4423_evansp.htm
    Know relation to plant you have well as it was brought to Australia to attempt to improve pastures. There were quite a few tests in Australian DPI data as well attempt to get it to germinate when wanted. “Jota” annual sweet clover (Melilotus albus Medik.) Yes I more know it as Jota but the seeds are basically the same nightmare.

  4. oiaohm says:

    dougman not wikipedia or google at all.

    I grew up on a DPI(Department of Primary Industries) research station here in Australia dougman. Took part performing many field trials to work out effectiveness of many things. Back in 1980~ there was a study done on Acetic acid related chemicals that I was part of as school holidays. Part of doing the trials was detail briefing on risks of the different agents. Lets just say 20% Acetic acid risks have been know for quite some time.

    http://www.regional.org.au/au/asa/1998/6/315hewitt.htm << The reason why I quoting this trial I was one of the assistant staff in it. Its also not in the wikipedia.

    dougman I have been a research assistant in this field.
    So like it or not you got it right " botany, chemistry and agriculture" when it comes to weed control I do know fairly well.

    Basically no point calling me Hammy the reality was you are a complete idiot when it comes it weed control dougman who did not know any of the science behind it.

  5. dougman says:

    Hammy, how much time did you spend on grifting that material off Wikipedia and Google?

  6. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson the next best after Hot Water and Glyphosate(round up) is the hand chip hoe or machine not cutting deeper than 2 inches in. Whipper snipper is a little shallow for best kill but it still above vinegar(acetic acid) if cut weeds really closed to ground level. The issue is you want to open up the plant to infection where you cut so damaging under ground level but not too deep with machine methods is goal.

    dougman go look up acetic acid cancer properties. Up to 10 percent it is safe. 20 percent can cause skin and lung cancers. Acetic acid is one of the harmful chemicals in cigarettes.

    Yes ham-bone should work on banning dihydrogen monoxide.<< No point bring in the water joke dougman what are you determinate to show you are a idiot.

    The herbicide glyphosate and the insecticides malathion and diazinon were classified as probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A).
    Read the report you brought in. Glyphosate is only a probable carcinogenic to humans were pure high dose Acetic acid is a known carcinogenic to humans and most chemicals related to it in high dosages.

    Acetic acid is a fun one low dosages its an anti cancer thing and high dosages it gives you cancer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
    For those who don’t know. Chemical name of Glyphosate as two names.
    N-(phosphonomethyl)glycine
    The common one you see everywhere.
    2-[(phosphonomethyl)amino]acetic acid
    The second name shows the clear problem. Both vinegar based and glyphosate has a common part called acetic acid. With common adverse known effects to humans and one of those being cancer.

    Glyphosate is more penetrating than pure acetic acid so it carries the acetic acid deeper into the body of human or plants. Its all about dosage level low enough does level body will handle it.

    dougman basically if you are attempting to get away from acetic acid toxicity problems that you can have from glyphosate you would not be swapping to vinegar that is also acetic acid.

    The reasons why I see vinegar idea a a stupid joke idea.
    1) Higher exposure to acetic acid issues due to having to spray a lot more times.
    2) When you allow for total exposure 20% acetic acid vinegar is just as toxic if not more than glyphosate.
    So effectively swapping one toxic product for another in the same family of toxic products.

    You know how you see site after site claim that acetic acid does not harm soil.
    Acetic Acid as a Soil Disinfectant.
    http://naldc.nal.usda.gov/naldc/download.xhtml?id=IND43967531&content=PDF
    Old study 1928 this is how long we have known acetic acid does alter you microbiology in soil. This was something glyphosate was found to do less of.

    There are citrus-based weed control items based around citric acid work with equal effectiveness as vinegar(acetic acid) based ones (what is garbage vs most mechanical methods) with zero cancer risk since citric acid in humans is a pure cancer preventive it still alters the microbiology in soil more than using glyphosate and these are not cheep.

    dougman with the gear I have I don’t use glyphosate. Whipper snippers, Weed Chip hoes, Covers to kill weeds that way and http://www.weedtechnics.com/steam-weeding-machines/ where I am can rent a SW700 for 25 dollars for a day for a large area problem. So yes I depend on the hot water method.

    Weedtechnics is working on making smaller units that cost less than 10000 dollars each(reason why I rent SW700 not own).

  7. dougman wrote, “Sow in some tillage radish and you will have some decent beds to plant for next year.”
    While snipping weeds, I noticed that sweet clover was doing particularly well, growing to full size and producing lots of seed. I paused to collect a bottle of seed which I will plant next year to break up clay, enrich the soil and provide seed for the birds. Germination is tricky. The seed is designed to emerge over several years to ensure survival of the species. Scarification helps but is added complexity. Fortunately, I have thousands of seeds and only need hundreds of plants.

    My tomatoes in pots are producing fruit but the pots are too small. Fortunately, TLW bought her trees in larger pots… It all works out. I have built a frame to hold a raised bed and will fill it with leftover soil from the loads she brought in for planting trees.

  8. dougman says:

    You should be building some gardening beds and adding coarse sand and compost with your walking tractor. Sow in some tillage radish and you will have some decent beds to plant for next year.

    I just picked 20 lbs. of cucumbers out of a 30′ bed, I suspect that I will get that much each week till the frost comes. I will be sowing broccoli next month along with spinach, then picking my watermelons and corn.

  9. Took the machine out for another session today to finish what I had started. This thing cuts! I hacked down everything I met except dried stalks of clover about 8mm thick. Collected a couple thousand seeds of sweet clover first so that I can plant a patch. The birds love the seeds in the winter. The bees love it in summer and it’s colourful. It’s a legume tough enough to grow in clay so it will enrich my soil. It’s all good.

  10. dougman says:

    Yes ham-bone should work on banning dihydrogen monoxide.

    http://www.dhmo.org/

  11. dougman wrote, “The herbicide glyphosate and the insecticides malathion and diazinon were classified as probably carcinogenic to humans.”

    Sheesh… Water is classified as deadly to submerged humans. Better stay away from that stuff.

    I don’t intend to eat the stuff but even then in moderation it would have zero effect on cancer.

  12. dougman says:

    Yes, keep using glyphosate, it will put hair on your chest!

    “The herbicide glyphosate and the insecticides malathion and diazinon were classified as probably carcinogenic to humans.”

    http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVolume112.pdf

  13. oiaohm wrote, “Hot Water and Glyphosate(round up) gets 80-100 percent dead the first hit no matter the the weed size.”

    I don’t have any equipment that will keep water hot for the time it takes to spray a few litres. Glyphosate is still too expensive here despite the expiration of the patent. $34.99/L… There is rarely a generic product available to consumers. The last time we bought 10L glyphosate it cost ~$100.

  14. oiaohm says:

    All herbicides have problems with larger weeds. i.e. Larger weeds are not growing rapidly and absorb less through the leaves.
    http://www.regional.org.au/au/asa/1998/6/315hewitt.htm
    This study is with larger weeds. Hot Water and Glyphosate(round up) gets 80-100 percent dead the first hit no matter the the weed size.

    Robert Pogson the reality yes most herbicides have trouble with larger weeds the exception is Glyphosate. Hot water is technically not a herbicide just happens to work really well and it does not require the plant to be growing that much to be effective.

    Glyphosate is your top herbicide for kill rates and hot water is your top kill rate for non herbicide per application no matter the weed size.

    They did note “Interestingly, 24% acetic acid apparently can temporarily decrease soil pH.” That acetic acid starts doing strange things to soil PH and the organisms contained..

    http://www.easydigging.com/easy_weeding.html
    Robert Pogson there is a lot of study False Seed Bed method. What the USA system classes as small weeds are exterminated by the False Seed Bed method that uses no chemicals at all.

    Weeds must be small (timing is important – within 2 weeks of germination)
    Do note the False Seed Bed method that you let the weed grow for up to 14 days before digging it in to get 100 percent kill with no chemicals. So fairly much 20% acetic acid no more effective than cutting the top of plant off in the USDA report. Something interesting is the False seed bed method you still get a over a 80 percent kill rate first up to 28 days. There is a reason for this False seed bed you have damaged the plant just under ground surface so letting the organisms in the soil infect the plant were using acetic acid you have not done this so acetic acid is less effective than just using a chip-hoe to cut the top of the weed off without digging that much into the surface.

    The False seed bed method tell you how people stuff up hand weeding. Pulling weed out the ground roughly bring deeper weed seeds up.

    Robert Pogson this is my problem the USDA report does not have acetic acid as any better than using a flame torch or False seed bed method. In fact acetic acid managed to be less effective than False seed bed method or a flame torch on mid sized weeds.

    Robert Pogson when you compare 20% acetic acid against the brute force non chemical methods performed correctly allowing for false seed method acetic acid not effective. 20% Acetic acid has a shorter window to be effective than using a hoe to chip it in. I can understand using Acetic acid under corn crops and the like even that is iffy there are other choices that don’t cause soil microbiology strangeness that show up in strange PH actions. That soil microbiology strangeness is fairly much do you fell lucky.

    Robert Pogson I live in a hotter environment 5% acetic acid works in summer as 20% acetic acid as long as weed is in a full sun area because the light damage from the 5% acetic acid is finished off by the sun burn so still effectively removing the top of the plant.
    Retail vinegar is a little too weak for killing weeds.
    This is true for where you are but people closer to the equator than you and the weed being treated is in full sun. So people living in hotter environment using more than 5% can be pointless at times.

    http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6498
    Robert Pogson and this is a time study of acetic acid and others vs each other. They did include mulching the area. Turns out mulching is just as effective as acetic acid and takes less time. This is the problem I have as soon as you start reading comparing testing why handle something as much of a hazard as 20% acetic acid when it not as effective on time as mulching or digging the weeds(following false seed method) in and mulching and digging weeds in can handle bigger weeds than acetic acid can as well.

    When I say properly effective I mean the comparative tests where they put these methods head to head with glyphosate and mulching/other manual kill plant methods. You want the herbicide to be doing very well against the other methods. The goal being you spend time on herbicide you hope to save time.

    I can walk around for hours but digging holes in heavy soil wears me out rapidly.
    The bosch robot here used a different method. 10mm round rod bashed down though the centre of the weed pushing in 3cm in. Its not very hard to make a stick with a spike to-do this. So a minor variation on aeration fork. Idea of pushing 3cm in is that the natural items in the soil take a crack a the weed as well as the lack of light does the weed in.

    Another method I use that replicates mulching in lawn yes it kinda warped. Numbered terracotta small pot bases. Numbered so I know I have them all back before mowing. No digging just drop them on weed kills the area under them quite simply by cutting off light. Some of the issue some of my lawn is simply not dig. About 2 cm under the grass layer is a section of 5 inch diameter stones you attempt digging their it will hurt. So I came up with this other method. Good for a small number of weeds in annoying areas.

  15. dougman wrote, “With a weed/gas trimmer, you will have to continually do this throughout the warm summer.”

    My property is not so large that that’s an issue. What has been a problem is that TLW yanks me off weed control to plant her chosen trees. Then the small weed problem becomes a large one. I can walk around for hours but digging holes in heavy soil wears me out rapidly.

  16. oiaohm wrote, “Fairly much vinegar is a joke of a weed control method. Yet the myth keeps on going around and around that somehow it works when it performance is down right terrible.”

    Retail vinegar is a little too weak for killing weeds. The active ingredient is acetic acid and it can be bought very cheaply in large quantities but then it is dangerous and expensive to ship.

    oiaohm wrote, “There is not a single proper study that says Vinegar even at 20% is really that effective.”

    “Acetic acid concentrations from 10 to 20% controlled 80 to 100% of the smaller weeds, as reported in the USDA release.”

    See Acetic acid (vinegar) for weed control revisited

    “Smaller weeds” is the key. One has to be timely. All herbicides have problems with larger weeds. i.e. Larger weeds are not growing rapidly and absorb less through the leaves. Also the larger roots can sprout new growth. Many proper herbicides recommend spraying larger weeds twice to be able to kill roots.

  17. oiaohm says:

    dougman To have exactly the same kill rate as vinegar go out and just cut the top of the weed. Throw the top of weed in bucket of water and break it down into weed tea.

    Fairly much vinegar is a joke of a weed control method. Yet the myth keeps on going around and around that somehow it works when it performance is down right terrible.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5rPC45ut9E
    Yes this is a video but there is a formal studies around the world that universally say vinegar as a weed killer is pointless for how low it effectiveness is.

    And this is a old study that is still true that people don’t read.
    http://www.regional.org.au/au/asa/1998/6/315hewitt.htm
    Hot water for kill rate is almost identical to using round up/glyphosate.

    Flame touches even have a higher kill rate than vinegar even with just a single pass.

    Basically dougman anyone recommend vinegar as a weed killer has no read any of the papers on testing of it or done proper field trials to notice how badly it in fact works.

    Vinegar burns the leaves looks like a good kill quickly but they will regrow. If vinegar kills the roots of the weed that is because it altered the soil organisms most likely in a direction you 100 percent don’t want to be going.

    https://extension.umd.edu/sites/default/files/_docs/programs/ipmnet/Vinegar-AnAlternativeToGlyphosate-UMD-Smith-Fiola-and-Gill.pdf
    I love the cons here.
    Weeds must be small (timing is important – within 2 weeks of germination)
    What basically means Vinegar only works on small weeds that you would be most likely better just pulling out by hand and not wasting spraying vinegar on them in the first place.

    Inside 4 weeks of germination is also the point that digging the weed into the ground is super effective. In fact more effective than using vinegar because you have twice as much time to get around to-doing it.

    The reality is Vinegar is does more harm than good in the garden. There is no reason for Vinegar in garden. There is not a single proper study that says Vinegar even at 20% is really that effective.

    dougman you have basically brought in another myth.

  18. oiaohm says:

    http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1653162/vinegar-in-soil-against-soil-web
    Do note, that some trees prefer an acid soil chemistry, some prefer alkaline. I bet a bitcoin you could not tell me which trees prefer what and why, unless of course you use Google and Wikipedia again.
    No you an idiot.

    dougman I was not referring to what PH the tree likes. I am referring to when you do a steep PH alteration like vinegar does you harm the natural make up of the soil.

    >>PH alterations can get insanely nasty.<<
    How this is nasty you spray a weed. It rains the vinegar goes into ground disrupts the organisms the tree has formed around itself and allows possible incompatible organisms in. Repeat enough times and you end up with a sick tree and you cannot work out why. You test the PH of the soil is perfect of the tree yet it not taking up nutrients properly because it no longer has the organisms around it that are meant to be there.

    Vinegar is one of these things its super not selective at weed killing. But just like trees like different grades of PH so do different soil organisms tolerate different PH levels. So Vinegar harms the organisms in soil unevenly with the PH change effect. Hot water/steam leaves organisms in the soil fairly much unharmed or harmed evenly.

    dougman I lived on a small crops farm for many years. I understand the long term effects of items like Vinegar is not harmless. Even if you spray perfectly on the weed leaves it goes down in the roots of weeds altering the soil organism mix.

    http://www.gardenmyths.com/vinegar-weed-killer-myth/
    You are recommend to someone in Canada. To have any effectiveness in the environment there you have to use 20% Acetic Acid vinegar to stand a chance of success at killing the weed. You only need 5% Acetic Acid to start altering soil organism mix.

    People in warmer areas can use 5% Acetic Acid but problem is it effectiveness is still worse than any of the following.
    1) bash it into the ground proxy 3cm/just over a inch a 10 mm round bar or equal.
    2) pull it out
    3) hit it with hot water.
    All there in fact work at higher rates than Vinegar with reduce soil organism damage.

  19. dougman says:

    Ham-bone is not only an expect in computer hardware and software, but he is an expert in Muslim culture, and now botany, chemistry and agriculture to boot. In his defense, I may have left out a few items, but wow, the world needs your expertise!

    With that being said, you are an idiot. LOL..I am talking about spraying weeds with a spray bottle and you off on some tangent bringing up a discussion of trees.

    *sniveling-voice* “dougman really go read up on vinegar some more. You will find its not a super good thing to keep on using around trees. PH alterations can get insanely nasty.”

    Do note, that some trees prefer an acid soil chemistry, some prefer alkaline. I bet a bitcoin you could not tell me which trees prefer what and why, unless of course you use Google and Wikipedia again.

  20. oiaohm says:

    vinegar
    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110414082750AA3zxrJ
    dougman really go read up on vinegar some more. You will find its not a super good thing to keep on using around trees. PH alterations can get insanely nasty.

    Personally I use hot water more.

  21. oiaohm says:

    dougman not one bit of the violence to women other than the slavery problem comes from Sharia. Lot of the violence to women comes from the way Christian crusaders behaved and cultures prior to islam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Pre-Islamic_veiling_practices
    Yes the Hijab is not part of the Koran in fact.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-sharia/2016/06/24/7e3efb7a-31ef-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html

    This write-up is quite a good one just it does not want to agree with the garbage you want to believe dougman. Most of the Muslim world problems is not Islamic but remains of practices pre-islamic.

    Lots of innocent people being raped and blown up in the name of Sharia.
    For your like yes this is right but its a what the a lot of people have been killed and raped in the name for the Christian god in the different crusades and even the on going ones but those actions had nothing todo with what the religion texts truly said should be done.

    Every one of the washingtonpost 5 points is in fact correct. The fact the Muslin world we see does not match up this shows how poorly the Muslim world follows the Islamic faith.

    dougman there is a clause in the Koran that is missed over and over again. If something is outlawed by the countries laws the Koran states that the countries laws override any thing written the the Koran. So if countries laws says people cannot be killed for Adultery or any other corporal punishment then it cannot be done and be a faith following Musim. So USA law having the corporal punishment allows Koran corporal punishment in some cases. The koran does not give Musims the right to break law of land in fact it says they should follow it. So one of the way of correcting defects in the Koran is correcting countries laws.

    Yes the guys you quoted does not know how to read the text he is quote either.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. – Quran (9:29)
    Jizya is fairly much islamic word for state taxes for non Muslims that is a low rate than the state taxs for Muslims. Last section of that translated to something you can read.
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the book, until they pay the state taxes willing, and behave not violently.

    Basically all Quran(9:29) says is pay your taxes do no violent actions and we will give you no trouble no matter what you believe. The other quote used.
    And fight them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah. – Quran (8:39)
    fitna more more disorder than unbelief. In fact in the time of writing the koran fitna only meant disorder the usage of unbelief for fitna does not appear for 150 years after the koran was first written. Religion is all for allah if you get the raw text the lettering means something different. “religion is all for allah” correctly translates to “no religion opposing the government” so 8:39 again does not say anything that bad as long as it interpreted as it meant at the time the text was written.

    Lot of the islamic problem in western word comes from the fact islamic texts to english is very bad translations. Include like the words fitna that should simple translate to disorder because that is how the word was used at the time of writing of the koran. Its like wicked how its been evil or cool and it depends on what time period text you are reading fitna has done the same kind of thing.

    Also killing people for Adultery is not only written in the Koran. Also the Koran on Adultery is kinda cool to read. Yes there must be four eye-witnesses but there is another good one that the four eye-witnesses if they knew should have stopped the Adultery or they will be killed themselves. So exactly following the koran and getting a punishment for Adultery though should be next to impossible because who is going to be a witness against it with the risk of being killed themselves.

    All the corporal punishment that the Koran allows comes from Judaism but they are wrapped up in the Koran with clauses that make attempting to enforce them next to impossible is most cases. So mostly when you see countries enforcing these things and claiming Islamic law as reason they are mostly just not following the faith at all. At the time of the koran writing absolutely outlawing them would have brought way too much backlash so the ones in change did the next best thing putting enough conditions that they could not be enforced in most cases.

    Do take note dougman there is not a single listed corporal punishment in the Koran that is not found in the Jewish texts somewhere with way less restrictions. Like Jewish for Adultery husband accuses wife kills wife its legal by Jewish text. Yes lot of so called Islamic countries enforcing punishments for Adultery in that regard are closer to Jewish than Islamic. Jewish being one the the religions Islamic was based off.

    Dougman what you keep on showing me is you are reading people who have no ability to in fact understand what the islamic text in fact says.

  22. dougman says:

    Since you like to set back and watch trees grow, you do realize that vinegar and dish soap kills weeds within a few days. With a weed/gas trimmer, you will have to continually do this throughout the warm summer.

    I had a Poulan weed eater, but I sold it as I prefer to do other things then waste a few hours each month chewing up weeds.

    Where is your garden?

    BTW: My water melons and late summer corn is doing extremely well. Just sowed my last crop of bush beans a few days ago and have enough space to inter-plant some carrots so I can over-winter them.

    Also, today I read that Disagreeing with Sharia Law IS Islamophobia. *rolls-eyes*

    http://louderwithcrowder.com/wapos-five-myths-about-sharia-law/

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