Trump Revealed As Racist Bastard And Nut-case

“In 1930, Congress wanted to protect U.S. jobs from global trade. So the U.S. slapped tariffs on all countries that shipped goods to America in an effort to shield workers.
 
It was called the Smoot-Hawley Act. Today, it is widely accepted that this law made the Great Depression worse than it was.”
 
See America’s surprise NAFTA nemesis: Canada, not Mexico
Yes, Trump wants to make USA Great AgainTM just like USA was great in the 1930s when it fought trade wars that ruined the world’s economy. The very arguments Trump makes about USA versus Mexico are much more applicable to Canada. Why then does Trump not go after Canada? Why, we Canadians are mostly white folks, Trump’s kind of people… He’s a racist bastard and nut-case positing wrong solutions to imaginary problems. Besides, our border is much longer and it would be much more costly to build a wall. Still, forcing a renegotiation of NAFTA, one of his planks, will severely damage trade with Canada as well as Mexico and should be thrown out along with Trump.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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21 Responses to Trump Revealed As Racist Bastard And Nut-case

  1. oiaohm says:

    Robert is a tree. ethnic origin the word ethnic there by UN is define by ethnic group and then you find Ethnoreligious under how to define what is a ethnic group.

    Christianity, Buddhism, Muslim/islamic, Jew…. basically can all fall under the section of Ethnoreligious.

    Robert Pogson basically saying it a global region does not stop it from being a Ethoreligious group because nothing says how big or small any form of ethnic group is allowed to be. Something to remember ethnic groups are allowed to over lap. So you have a Mulsim/islamic ethoreligious that over laps with a Egypt Ethno-national giving you Egyptian Mulsim ethnic group.

    Sorry Robert you need to understand what ethnic group covers. You can call human race an ethnic group covering everyone because everyone has a common ancestral link if you go far enough back. Attempting to say hey just because this group is large and spread out they cannot be a ethnic group means you don’t understand what it means.

    The global religion bit is a common way some people attempt to claim that some of their actions against Christian, Muslim… is not being racist.

    Yes it a fun quiz question what biggest human ethnic group on the earth and the answer is human race and a few others term sets that include every single human. Yes each major global religion is also a ethnic group who common ancestral link is basically the same as human race.

    Most of failure to understand ethnic group is that people have not been taught that human race is a ethnic group define.

    It is not limited to any ethnic group
    Not limited to any ethnic group is another sign of a person who does not understand ethnic group. The max size of any ethnic group is the human race so every ethnic group is limited to the largest ethnic group human race. Can you find a religion person who is not member of human race ethnic group?

    Failure to understand human race as a ethnic group allows ethnic group segregation.

  2. oiaohm wrote, “Islamic falls under ethnic origin in the section Ethnoreligious group in the UN define”.

    That’s slight of keyboard… Wikipedia:“an ethnic group whose members are also unified by a common religious background” does not write for the UN. The UN does not mention religion. In fact, while Islam originated in Arabia, it is a global religion just like Christianity or Buddhism. It is not limited to any ethnic group. There are caucasian, asian, and african muslims. There may be few muslims in some regions or ethnic groups but that does not make Islam ethnic.

  3. dougman wrote, “the very same thing could be said about your innuendo that M$ sucks and Linux is the better-hand. Trying to subjugate family members into your belief’s doesn’t count as bigotry?”

    “Unreasoning” does not apply to my beliefs. I have a dozen very good reasons to hate M$. They are out to get us and they’ve done many illegal and vicious things to exclude competition. These are well documented. These are not my fantasies.

  4. dougman says:

    “Bigotry: The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning attachment of one’s own belief and opinions, with narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them. [1913 Webster]”

    Eh, the very same thing could be said about your innuendo that M$ sucks and Linux is the better-hand. Trying to subjugate family members into your belief’s doesn’t count as bigotry?

  5. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Etymology.2C_definition_and_usage
    the term “racial discrimination” shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
    Robert Pogson I use normally use the UN define racial discrimination when I use the term racism(mostly because typing UN racial discrimination is long and I am likely to typo it). Islamic falls under ethnic origin in the section Ethnoreligious group in the UN define.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group.
    So yes using the term racist/racism to define what dougman wrote is conforming to UN defines covering the usage of those terms. Now if I use the non UN defines covering the usage of those terms racist/racism is restricted to Ethno racial/race and in that case I would be wrong.

    Yes without question by UN define Trump is a racist. UN define I find fits people like Trump extremely well as it does not require person to believe anything that much other that show bias.

    Robert Pogson basically we just used two different defines for racial/racist/rasism. UN define is way broader. Yes it might also be dougman issue as well not being aware that by UN define treating a person different on their religion is racist.

    Now if dougman was documenting something that X religion does and other religions groups don’t and that is fact this would not be racist. Saying facts about a religion does not make you racist by UN rules if you make sure you do it in the balanced way. So cases where Christians, jewish… believers with their extremists get not to be responsible for the actions of the extremist it is racist by UN defines to say Islamic have to be. Now if you say that all religions have to take responsibility to clean up the extremist groups this is not racist.

    Obeying the UN define “racial discrimination” means keeping your talking about religions and the like balanced and fair. Mind you staying inside the UN define does still leave a lot of areas inside religion to argue over differences.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
    For those that don’t know the UN define of “racial discrimination” was agree by every country that signed the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” yet places like the USA have failed to make it part of their laws. If they had a lot of USA media would be in a hell lot of trouble over their reporting so would be Trump.

    Mind you there is quite a debate about the differences between “Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam” and “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” this does get into the finer points of differences. There are clashing points.

  6. oiaohm wrote, “for some reason you are applying a different standard because someone is islamic? So yes like it or not you are racist. Racist actions is some of what extremist use to justify their insanity.”

    Islam is not a race. It is a religion with all kinds of facets in personal belief, social order, government, and philosophy. Heaping scorn on people for their beliefs/practices is not racism but bigotry.

    Bigotry: The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning attachment of one’s own belief and opinions, with narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them. [1913 Webster]

    I’ve noticed that some real bigots marginally fit that definition because they don’t really have beliefs of any kind. Take Trump for instance. He’s a bigot but doesn’t seem to believe in God, the constitution of USA or the right to free speech, and the possibility that anyone else might have a good idea or intention. He’s definitely narcissistic. He seems to believe that everyone else has as empty as soul as he has. That such a person could lead astray ~40% of a huge population is sobering and shows how fragile democracy and liberty are.

  7. oiaohm says:

    dougman
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka
    Do Christians take responsibility for what groups like Anti-balaka get up to. Of course not Anti-balaka is extremist group distorting Christian beliefs.

    Dougman this is your problem Christians are not held responsible for what there “less peaceful brothers and sisters do” yet for some reason you are applying a different standard because someone is islamic? So yes like it or not you are racist. Racist actions is some of what extremist use to justify their insanity.

    Now if you could not find groups from other religions and cults doing the same behaviours you could have had a case.

    Isn’t it strange that no one finds any current religious converts wanting to blow people up?
    Take extremist groups distorting Jew, Christian or Muslim beliefs wanting to blow people up is unfortunately common.

    http://time.com/4436686/ku-klux-klansman-birmingham-denied-parole/
    I know 1963 with the KKK is a long way back. As KKK as a extremist group got let do more and more add in one up man ship hello big problems back them.

    When they burn your embassies or kidnap and slaughter your journalists, know that we will hold you primarily responsible and will spend the bulk of our energies criticizing you for “racism” and “Islamophobia.”
    Unfortunately I have to agree it is racism in the way most people display these events because you find Jew, Christian and Muslim belief distorting extremists all doing these behaviours. Basically it does not matter the religion extremist are fairly equally evil even using a lot of the same methods. Really I does not matter the religion there have been cult groups not linked to any particular religion doing all the behaviours you just listed.

    Something that annoy me is the media should call them mentally ill individual with extremist beliefs and be done with it. Mostly naming the region causes back lash against those who follow the religion correctly . Advertising who they are allows other who have the same mentally ill issue to find out about them as well.

  8. dougman says:

    Speaking of nutcases, I am sure you read about the Canadian Jihadi that was shot.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-security-idUSKCN10M1NS?il=0

    Imagine, a 24-year-old Muslim convert and with the position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn’t, we will kill you. Of course, the truth is often more nuanced, but this is about as nuanced as it ever gets: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn’t, we peaceful Muslims cannot be held responsible for what our less peaceful brothers and sisters do. When they burn your embassies or kidnap and slaughter your journalists, know that we will hold you primarily responsible and will spend the bulk of our energies criticizing you for “racism” and “Islamophobia.”

    Isn’t it strange that no one finds any current religious converts wanting to blow people up?

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/08/12/driver-case-exposes-gaps-and-failures-in-canadas-security-screening-measures.html

  9. kurkosdr says:

    When Motorola was made by Google = When Motorola was owned by Google

  10. kurkosdr says:

    The truth is China makes a wide variety of products from low to high tech in a variety of qualities and they have difficulty with English and I imagine a hundred other languages.

    In case of products designed in the USA and manufactured in China, the quality is spec’ed by the US company (see iPhone), and there are no translation issues because the US company is doing the design.

    Many will pay more to have USAian products.
    No they won’t. Not when they have to put their money where their mouth is. When Motorola was made by Google, they tried to make a phone in the US, and it didn’t sell well. Americans like to buy stuff designed in the US but manufactured overseas.

    You don’t need a university degree to write software or even to invent stuff. Lots of tools are widely available even to poor grade-school kids.
    Yeah, try and tell the average unionized blue-collar that he should start learning to program of become an inventor, instead of voting for Trump (and for protectionism of his manufacturing job).

  11. kurkosdr wrote, “The counter-argument is that the American blue-collar worker cannot possibly compete with the salary and working conditions of the Chinese worker and that agreements like NAFTA make things even worse. The prevalent feeling is that sooner or later most (all) manufacturing jobs will leave the US, and the only jobs that will remain will be jobs related to IP rights production (which need a college degree) for designs that will eventually be manufactured overseas, plus low-end jobs in Wallmart and McDonald’s. “

    That’s not what I was told when I described buying stuff from China. I was told they sold junk which was a waste of time… The truth is China makes a wide variety of products from low to high tech in a variety of qualities and they have difficulty with English and I imagine a hundred other languages. So, USA can compete even if wages are higher. Many will pay more to have USAian products. You don’t need a university degree to write software or even to invent stuff. Lots of tools are widely available even to poor grade-school kids. So, USAians need to work harder and smarter to sell to the world these days. That’s competition. It’s a good thing. It will stop USAians from becoming fat and lazy, thinking the world owes them a living or should stay away.

    There may well be USAians who can’t compete. That’s what “social programmes” and governments can take care of. Not all USAians can or must be winners. That’s a falsehood perpetrated by those who say things like “the greatest country on Earth”, etc. Just how is USA made great by avoiding competition? That’s not the USAian way.

    If USA does want to compete, they should fix their damned ineffective educational system and provide universal healthcare and eliminate overlapping jurisdictions in their constitution, like other advanced countries not fearing competition do. Trumpism certainly isn’t the answer to competition.

  12. kurkosdr says:

    Uh, in war, if you fire bullets (tariff barriers) at the other guy, he will likely respond in kind. So, instead of USAians selling products to 6billion people they will only be able to sell to their own people, say ~300 million. What blue collar type wants a 90% pay cut or to have 10% employment or raising prices ten times to offset the slowdown in the economy

    The counter-argument is that the American blue-collar worker cannot possibly compete with the salary and working conditions of the Chinese worker and that agreements like NAFTA make things even worse. The prevalent feeling is that sooner or later most (all) manufacturing jobs will leave the US, and the only jobs that will remain will be jobs related to IP rights production (which need a college degree) for designs that will eventually be manufactured overseas, plus low-end jobs in Wallmart and McDonald’s.

    So, the blue-collars and people who wish they were blue-collars have no problem with American companies (like Apple) selling worse products to a smaller (local) audience, as long as they are forced to manufacture them in the US and foreign products are made unappealingly expensive via tariffs.

    Essentially, the blue-collar worker feels like a species threatened with extinction, a relic not having a place in a country whose future direction involves designing products to be manufactured off-shore. So, between zero products manufactured in the US and sold to 6billion and several products manufactured in the US and sold to 300 million, the blue-collar worker chooses the latter. It’s this simple way of thinking that Trump has managed to successfully exploit and gather himself an audience, despite his… ehm… eccentric persona. So, good luck finding a way to explain how this simple way of thinking is wrong, in a way the average layman can understand.

  13. oiaohm says:

    dougman by the way one of the problems teams doing 1991-1998 were constantly facing was having case after case of trucks being loaded with gear to attempt to protect that gear from being take/destroyed by inspectors. So weapon factories full assembled on wheels were not found. All the gear in a back of a truck to unpack and make a weapons factory was found a few times. This is why Curveball story seamed plausible.

  14. oiaohm says:

    dougman
    So I suppose that you still believe the WMD narrative for the reason America invaded IRAQ.
    To be truthful is very interesting reading the WMD report by Australia lead team on IRAQ was very interesting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
    dougman note the Carl Rolf Ekéus(Swedish) and Richard William Butler(Australian) UNSCOM inspections 1991-1998 finding.

    Yes the defector Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi codenamed Curveball made a huge stack of stuff up but the problem is large percentage in fact turned out to be true and found in the 1991-1998 inspections.

    However, UNSCOM found the munitions dumped in a river near al-Hakam.
    The UNSCOM the report they did in fact recover biological WMD configured for use.

    dougman some cases truth turns out to be stranger than fiction. The truth of Iraq is before the first Iraq war it did have a biological weapons program larger than Curveball made up story.

    Remember in 1998 fragments of WMD program was still being found in Iraq.

    2003 Iraq War was fairly much a maybe. Maybe Iraq still had a functional WMD program or maybe it had been destroyed enough by the 1991-1998 process that it could not reform. There was really only one way to find out. Curveball false statements about Iraq 1995 and before when there was material to find.

    Now USA wants to make out that Curveball made up story is the truth that there was nothing to find when stuff was found. Why the training and source material to the Iraq biological WMD trace straight back to being provided by the USA themselves. So there was reasons why Iraq needing inspections. 5-10 percent of the growth material from what was known supplied to Iraq has never been accounted for. Creating a civil war really did not help with the process of locating the unaccounted for stuff.

    Yes the Richard Butler(Australian) and Scott Ritter(American) did suggest that that it was also pointless attacking iraq as long as import controls and other items stayed in place in 2003. Why the shelf live of the produced weapons and growth material with most optimistic figures would have seen Iraq disarmed of them by 2004 due to natural organic breakdown. Key issue 2003 was not existing weapons was more means to keep up inspections so that a new program could not be made that for sure would not be coming from the way the iraq government was.

    I would call 2003 part USA cover-up attempt to get rid of the evidence of their involvement with Iraq weapon program.

  15. kurkosdr wrote, “all you have to do is find a way to explain to all those blue-collars working in manufacturing and people who wish they were blue-collars…why government protectionism is a bad thing, in a way they can understand.”

    Uh, in war, if you fire bullets (tariff barriers) at the other guy, he will likely respond in kind. So, instead of USAians selling products to 6billion people they will only be able to sell to their own people, say ~300 million. What blue collar type wants a 90% pay cut or to have 10% employment or raising prices ten times to offset the slowdown in the economy? Protectionism is going backwards to horses and buggies and most business being limited to a few counties. Is that what Trumpists want? I don’t think they’ve thought it through farther than the spur of the moment. I know Trump hasn’t.

    I was around in the 1950s when protectionism ruled. I had to pay duty on my imports. Were times better then? Nope. We were poorer for it. We had to wear hand-me-downs because cotton was expensive. Lots of people did not own automobiles. TVs were luxury items few could afford. Technology was stunted. No Moore’s Law, just misery. Since Free Trade, tech took off, the Internet flourished, human rights became widely accepted and even the poorest among us are well off.

  16. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking
    The black budget is only part of the problem.
    So the belief that the government doesn’t spend money on something just because that something doesn’t appear as a line-item in the budget is very wrong.
    It is more then wrong the E Snodwen information has the CIA playing with less than 15 billion dollars by black budget. Issue here is CIA does supplement its budget and that is also not declared. Yes a grey budget does exist as well for actions requiring totally deniable.

    Robert Pogson
    http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
    The links between intelligence organisations and media is extremely strong.

    Obviously, people never believe everything CNN ever writes. CNN is paid by the US government for reporting on some events, and not reporting on others. The Obama Administration pays CNN for content control.
    Not exactly true dougman. You have not understood how the CIA does it so do most journalists talking about it. CIA targets individuals. So someone is being very successful they get promoted right. Get enough of the editor staff on pay roll be able to disappear the stories you don’t want published also control the style of stories being published.

    Of course for the CIA it has not gone perfectly some people have in fact mentioned they have been compromised. Remember the CIA is not meant to function on USA soil that has been documented breached many times over.

    The fact that it key staff targeting is why items like CNN and the like are sometimes for and sometimes against the CIA and other parties. Its all about the mix of people who get to the top.

    Of course CIA method of embedding reporters and editors into media is also done by other intelligence organisations and different commercial companies around the world.

    dougman in the video you linked to says watch the journalist. Also note the journalist who quit says that she was getting messaged from collages to alter her story. Yes the collages would be the embedded journalist for intelligence gathering and information control.

    In effect there is a information war going on between different countries and companies fighting to have control over the media.

    Remember its a worst nightmare that spys and journalists are the same thing in a lot of cases. So journalist agrees to report something in X countries favour so they have access in X country to report information about what is really going on in X country to Y intelligence organisation what you call pure conflict of interest.

  17. dougman says:

    “dougman, totally tin-foiled, Yes. What line-item is that in the budget?”

    So I suppose that you still believe the WMD narrative for the reason America invaded IRAQ.

    Yes, according to you, the government never propagandize’s anything, everything you see on the tube is 100% factual.

    CNN is no better than Fox News. And MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC are all just as bad. America might as well have one channel when it comes to news.

  18. kurkosdr says:

    Yes. What line-item is that in the budget? [SARCASM]

    I am not saying that the governments pay the media like dougman is claiming, especially in this day and age were the mainstream media are losing credibility fast, but just to be correct, governments set aside “black funds” for their secret service(s) which they can spend on pretty much anything they want without telling you -the citizen- what it is. Yes the US dies it too.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/black-budget/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget

    So the belief that the government doesn’t spend money on something just because that something doesn’t appear as a line-item in the budget is very wrong.

  19. kurkosdr says:

    Now Pog, all you have to do is find a way to explain to all those blue-collars working in manufacturing and people who wish they were blue-collars, who btw see all those college graduates generate vast amounts of wealth and spend it on Chinese goods and German cars, why government protectionism is a bad thing, in a way they can understand. Take your rime, I ‘ll be here waiting…

    For all they know, the “chicken tax” saved their buddies working at truck manufacturing, and they consider forcing rich Americans to buy ‘merican goods a good thing….

  20. dougman, totally tin-foiled, wrote, “CNN is paid by the US government for reporting on some events, and not reporting on others.”

    Yes. What line-item is that in the budget? [SARCASM] Do you really believe that congress with the “power of the purse” would let the W.H. do that? Further, if true, why aren’t Trump and FOX telling the world? Perhaps because it’s not true and even their rich imaginations can’t contemplate that..

  21. dougman says:

    Obviously, people never believe everything CNN ever writes. CNN is paid by the US government for reporting on some events, and not reporting on others. The Obama Administration pays CNN for content control.

    Let that sink in.

    Additionally CNN and CNN International are also paid by foreign governments to avoid stories that are damaging, and construct narratives that show them in a better, albeit false, light.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4s4OKZe8Y

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