Fear And Loathing In USA

“Trump on Friday was consumed by questions about whether he had posed as imaginary individuals with those names in order to deal with reporters’ queries about his love life or personal sagas.”
 
See Donald Trump’s past surfaces as GOP looks forward
This would be funny, fodder for Saturday Night Live funny, if it weren’t true. The GOP’s imminent candidate for POTUS being caught in lies and womanizing while he accuses Hillary of enabling her husband’s philandering… Really, would anyone trust this guy with running a lemonade stand rather than having a hand on the nuclear “button”? USA has a few months to wake up or become the laughing stock of the world. If this guy does any one of the things he promises to do it could well bring ruin to USA and may well cause the world to try to insulate itself from the nonsense. I wonder if Canada could handle the inflow of refugees? I doubt it. We might have to build our own wall.

For a time, I might personally benefit from Trump’s shenanigans as the US dollar plunges, but in the long term, he could do a lot of damage to the world’s economy. Effectively, he’s proposing global sanctions against USA (breaking global trade agreements, bringing back tariff barriers to USAian goods, halting immigration, one of the fuels of the USAian economy, throwing fuel on the war-fires around the globe) and creating millions of second class citizens (the wall with Mexico, halting remissions to Mexico, banning Spanish, putting minorities in their place, and insulting women from the bully pulpit). We know what sanctions did to North Korea and Iran. Four years would be more than enough time to do a lot of damage. Compared to the leaders of those countries, Trump seems like a raging lunatic. The only question is whether his own people would depose him before he caused global economic collapse or war or not. At the moment it does not seem that enough USAians have the will or the ability to discard Trumpism. The only hope I see at the moment is getting every thoughtful USAian to vote in November. That won’t be easy with the disenfranchisement movement amongst GOPian governors.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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10 Responses to Fear And Loathing In USA

  1. kurkosdr wrote, “you ‘ve got to understand people getting inside a country unidentified is a recipe for disaster for that country. Sometimes you need to be tough.”

    No, I don’t. You’ve got to understand that in a country of 350million people that illegal immigration even of a million people per year is nothing. It’s a net benefit to the economy, all those people buying chips and pop… It also saves taxpayers from having to make babies to keep the economy growing. Canada takes in a lot of immigrants without fear. The USA is paranoid and Trumpism is feeding off that. Why is it that USA takes in all comers when they flee USSR or Cuba or Viet Nam but is terrified of immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala? That’s not rational. Refugees are refugees, normal people, not rabid beasts.

  2. kurkosdr says:

    So, you move around behind your wall. How many people does that take?

    If there is the possibility for violent and possibly lethal force, and the potential of them been locked in a cramped holding center for several weeks or months, then it’s a lot of people. It’s called deterrence.

    Look I understand you progressives gets disgusted with what I said in the above paragraph, but you ‘ve got to understand people getting inside a country unidentified is a recipe for disaster for that country. Sometimes you need to be tough.

  3. kurkosdr says:

    For the second time, walls and fences work for FYROM and Hungary. They used to work for Greece. Despite the billions of money the criminals who profit from illegal immigration make, walls and fences worked.

    You HAVE to defend your borders, just to pass the message you are not a free-for-all country, so that only the few ones who are really determined get through.

    There is no perfect security, border security or otherwise. But you HAVE to make the profit-risk ratio narrower, so the people who attempt to profit are less.

  4. kurkosdr wrote, “Walls and fences work if you also patrol them.”

    I understand patrolling. So, you move around behind your wall. How many people does that take? Remember these guys will work for a year or longer to dig mile-long tunnels so you need to patrol in depth to catch the porosity. Say you put people all over the land two miles back from the wall. How many people per mile does it take? As a hunter, I can tell you it takes a bunch, say 12. Are you really going to have people patrol 24×7 in numbers like 12000? Remember, you want three shifts so that’s 36000 troops, costing $50K each per annum plus support, that’s $3billion per annum, just pocket-change. So, you are going to build a wall that might cost $10billion to set up, perhaps a $billion or so per annum to repair and fill tunnels, and nearly $3billion to patrol and still the pests will get through, under, around or over. Is it worth the effort? Ask the taxpayers.

    Trump says MX will pay for the wall. They will refuse. Will you shut down trade to spite your face? Will the influx increase as a result? Will Trump make things worse? Yes. Trumpism requires suspension of logic. Use your head. Do the maths. Trump is a con-man taking a large portion of USAians for a ride.

    If you still think walls work, consider the strategies an attacker can make to get past the wall. One that is sure to work is to flood the zone. Sneak up thousands through tunnels and breach the wall at midnight when there is just a handful of guards in the neighbourhood. A few guards can’t do much against a human wave attack. If you multiply your guards, imagine a hundred such attacks at the same time some night. It can happen. The bad guys have $billions of drug-money with which to play courtesy USA and it takes a huge multiple of resources to absolutely defend against a concerted attack. Then consider that the bad guys might send a thousand small planes across at low altitude crammed with whatever along the whole length or in a region. There’s just no way to build a static defence that can guarantee impermeability any more than you can mosquitoes or flies or viruses out of a home. Paranoid delusions make you try but a sane person realizes you just have to deal with it rather than fighting the tide.

  5. kurkosdr says:

    Walls don’t work. Remember the Berlin wall? Folks were willing to dodge machine-gun bullets to climb over it. Remember the USAian northern and southern borders? Folks dug tunnels 40 feet down to move people and stuff across both borders.

    Walls and fences do work for the FYROM government after our stupid government decided to grant illegal immigrants amnesty and to allow them to move further into the European continent without any kind of attempt to stop them (both actions done out of radical-leftist ideology). Walls and fences worked for our previous Greek government. They also worked for the Hungarian government. Walls and fences work if you also patrol them. Just like FYROM does and how the Greek government used to do when the radical leftists weren’t in charge.

    Are you smarter on the specific subject than the governments of FYROM, Hungary and the previous government of Greece, who spent taxpayer money to build fences and patrol them, and coincidentally saw their illegal immigration number plunge?

    Now, with regard to tunnels, they tend to be immobile structures. If whoever you want to prevent entering has managed to dig tunnels and keep them secret for long, your intelligence services are phenomenally bad. Comedy movie level of bad.

    Walls work if the ones you want to prevent entering:
    1) don’t have government-level firepower (tanks, cannons and such) OR
    2) have that but would be invasion to use them

    Drug smugglers fit in #1 (so the USA would benefit from a wall or fence)

  6. kurkosdr wrote, “Because you live in a country lucky enough to be surrounded by (mostly) wealthy and friendly allies.
     
    Syria would have benefitted from a wall or a fence, because Al-Nusra and ISIS wouldn’t be able to smuggle weapons from Turkey and Iraq so easily.”

    Walls don’t work. Remember the Berlin wall? Folks were willing to dodge machine-gun bullets to climb over it. Remember the USAian northern and southern borders? Folks dug tunnels 40 feet down to move people and stuff across both borders. Further, drug smugglers even built their own submarines to move drugs. What makes you think Daesh wouldn’t do that? Then there are sailboats and airplanes and the Internet. How will a wall keep those out?

    Lastly, bad guys can afford explosives. They just have to pile some up, detonate and for 15-30 minutes there will be a hole in that wall at their chosen spot at their chosen time. How’s that going to work then?

    My father was a soldier in WWII. There was no such thing as an impenetrable line or structure. They trained how to get past anything on short notice. They could make a crater where there was anything on five minutes’ notice. Both sides routinely sent out patrols going anywhere behind the lines and there was little that could be done to prevent that, day or night. Put multiple armies along that wall in three lines deep and someone will figure out how to get across. Why? Because they are motivated and it pays to do so.

  7. kurkosdr says:

    We don’t think building walls makes sense in the 21st century.

    Because you live in a country lucky enough to be surrounded by (mostly) wealthy and friendly allies.

    Syria would have benefitted from a wall or a fence, because Al-Nusra and ISIS wouldn’t be able to smuggle weapons from Turkey and Iraq so easily.

    Ukraine would have benefited from a wall or a fence, because Putin wouldn’t be able to invade them without officially making a single hostile act first. Instead, all Putin had to do was send unmarked trucks to Ukraine. If a wall or fence existed, he would have to send marked tanks. And officially violate the border. A big difference.

    My country (Greece) benefited from a fence built on the Turkish border (where east thrace meets Turkey), and we saw a meaningful reduction in illegal immigration before Tsipras decided to give a 6-month amnesty to everyone entering illegally, destroying everything.

    Walls and fences work buddy. Without a wall or fence, you don’t have a country, you have an open-door barn. Everyone can get inside, cause some damage, and then walk out, without anybody knowing his ID or in fact that he even entered the country illegally.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump gets many of his votes from people sick and tired seeing illegal immigrants causing drunk car-crashes in US soil, and when a police officer asks for their ID, they just make up an alias and walk away free. Some people are willing to look away at all the other Trumpisms (anti-abortion, wacko policies and all) just because of his determination when it comes illegal immigration policies, I guarantee it.

    Of course, good luck explaining that to a Northerner who is thousands of miles away from the problem.

  8. luvr says:

    Robert Pogson wrote about “what GOPers think a government should be.”

    What??? GOPers think??? 🙂

  9. kurkosdr wrote, “There is no way an anti-abortion (“pro-lifer”) nutter is becoming POTUS. With most of the voters in the US being female.”

    Megalomaniacal con-men can fool a lot of USAians some of the time. Mob mentality breaks out when people quit thinking for themselves. Just look at all the GOP “nutters” who hold governorships. USAian politics is a train wreck. We just can’t look away. It’s too awe-inspiringly horrible. Combine processes relevant to horses and buggies with mass-media manipulation and stir in some hero-worship. Boil two hundred years. That’s the recipe. Of course there are variations all over the world but even Canada can hold a national election that works in a few months. USA takes years and gets a dysfunctional government. At least Canada has universal medical care, and a pension that works. We don’t think building walls makes sense in the 21st century. We don’t discriminate on race, sex or religion. Our government may be far from perfect but it’s light-years ahead of what GOPers think a government should be.

  10. kurkosdr says:

    https://youtu.be/5viz1JLXKgA

    There is no way an anti-abortion (“pro-lifer”) nutter is becoming POTUS. With most of the voters in the US being female.

    That said, now that Mr Donald J Trump has publicly and clearly announced himself as a “pro-lifer”, instead of his usual double-speak, I am eager to see what percentage of women answering the exit polls will admit voting for Trump.

    American politics had my attention, they now have my genuine interest.

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