M$: We Control Your PC…

“Removing the software store, along with other bundled apps, from work machines is normally a good idea to prevent users from installing crap, breaking things and calling the help desk, and generally wasting time at their desks.
 
The Redmond giant quietly posted a support notice warning sysadmins that for Windows 10 build 1511 and later, the ability to remotely disable the Windows Store through Group Policy settings has been revoked.”
 
See Microsoft: Why we tore handy Store block out of Windows 10 Pro PCs
If you’re a business and you depend on TOOS, be ready for another kick in the teeth. Unless you pay for the enterprise edition, you get the annoyance of M$’s salesmen being able to nag your people all day long. Is that what you want? No? Switch to Debian GNU/Linux, the OS that works for you not against you. If you switch to “enterprise”, how long will it be before they start chasing you there? Next month? Next year? What other schemes will their salesmen develop to make you miserable? Come on. You know they’re out to get you and they will as long as you run their OS.

Chuckle. It was bad enough for me when M$ just shipped schlock software that didn’t work for us. Now they actually distribute malware, a trojan to be specific, as an OS. It’s true. M$ is nailing its coffin shut from the inside.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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24 Responses to M$: We Control Your PC…

  1. kurkosdr wrote, “Let me know when a Desktop Linux distro is LTSed by the vendor as long as Windows when it comes to security patches, so there are less mandatory compat-breaking kernel version bumps. Or when Desktop Linux does Blu-Ray. Or even does Netflix like Windows does it. Or when Desktop Linux does Photoshop and Pinnacle Studio and DVDFab like Windows does it, aka with full compat for every new version. Or when GPU drivers are on par with the Windows ones.”

    That happened around 2004, ISTR. I’ve rarely had any of those problems. In fact, I think those are non-problems for most users of IT. That’s why large complex organizations can migrate to GNU/Linux everywhere for a cost similar to one upgrade of hardware/software with Wintel. In my home the cost was much less and we’ve had great performance and reliability for years. We do plan to upgrade this year after a decade of using the same old hardware and I don’t see any problems with compatibility on the horizon. Android/Linux showed that Linux can do ARM quite well. Video drivers are not that much of a problem if a smartphone can make people happy all day long on a battery… I could roll out Huskyboard with Odroid-C2 clients any day and have great compatibility and satisfaction. TLW and my grandkids have no problem using our present system of Atoms, Via whatnots and AMD on Beast. I will be upgrading the network and storage too. GNU/Linux rocks for us and the many schools where I worked.

  2. dougman says:

    Re: I always laugh at how loons pretend that if you give Desktop Linux time to learn it, the experience will become like Windows’.

    Who the hell whats to experience forced upgrades, blue screens, multiple reboots, malware invasions and a total lack of support from M$?

    No one enjoys Windows 10, but alas one will be forced to pay for it very soon.

    Points and laughs.

  3. dougman says:

    Re: I am looking at the experience. I am willing to tolerate needless updates, to have the Windows experience.

    For ***’s sake Microsoft!…you seem rather angry at M$. By certain you sure are getting that M$ “experience” all right. For someone that purportedly enjoys their Windows experience, you sure do complain about M$ a lot.

    Here is some advice.

    I can see in your future, that collective impact is not your cup of tea. May I suggest a cuppa of chamomile tea?

    Chamomile reduces cramping and pain in the bowels and also helps to relieve excessive gas and bloating in the intestines. Chamomile is commonly used for promoting sleep, relaxation and anxiety and stress relief. The German variety, in my opinion is the better brand.

    Salut!

  4. kurkosdr says:

    (And before someone says windows update is mandatory for windows 7, of course it is for security patches, but with 7 you don’t have to deal with the humongous updates Microsoft pushes for 10)

  5. kurkosdr says:

    Have to admit, people that use Win-Dohs is lazy. They take no accountability for themselves in trying to learn how to do things for themselves, but bitch and whine and it goes against what they want.

    I always laugh at how loons pretend that if you give Desktop Linux time to learn it, the experience will become like Windows’.

    Right… Let me know when a Desktop Linux distro is LTSed by the vendor as long as Windows when it comes to security patches, so there are less mandatory compat-breaking kernel version bumps. Or when Desktop Linux does Blu-Ray. Or even does Netflix like Windows does it. Or when Desktop Linux does Photoshop and Pinnacle Studio and DVDFab like Windows does it, aka with full compat for every new version. Or when GPU drivers are on par with the Windows ones.

    And no I won’t pretend to care whose fault it is. I am looking at the experience. I am willing to tolerate the mandatory Windows Update to have the Windows experience.

    Of course if you stay on 7 you don’t even have that problem… which is what the majority (which btw just uses the computer as an means not as an end) does…

  6. dougman says:

    Have to admit, people that use Win-Dohs is lazy. They take no accountability for themselves in trying to learn how to do things for themselves, but bitch and whine and it goes against what they want.

    One can only set back and laugh at the dire monstrosity that M$ has become. Nadella has limited options for the future. Certainly, no one thinks M$ is “hip” anymore, and kids these days want Android, Chromebooks and iPhones.

    Chrome is the number one browser these days, and less than two-years time, you will have Android-Chrome merge. Giving people way more options than M$ ever thought of in a lifetime.

  7. Dr Loser wrote, “Admit that you really mean a Power Series. And then explain what you mean by that.”

    No power series, an infinite sum of terms M$ demands users pay repeatedly to “upgrade” or to buy a new PC. Say, $100 every three years. After an infinite number of years it is an infinite sum, huge beyond huge. All this for permission to use the hardware you own. In anyone’s lifetime it isn’t infinite but it’s still a lot of money that could be better spent buying RAM or storage or peanut butter. Mathematically it means an indeterminate sum, one without bounds. No matter how large the sum, just add one or more terms and it becomes larger. Compared to GPL, it’s just silly. A power series may become larger faster depending on the base or exponent but we just mean an arithmetic sum here. Imagine if your computing lifetime is like a working career, 40 years or so. That’s about $1K. You might as well burn a tall stack of $20s for all the good it does. Worse, the value of TOOS is negative because you have to waste so much energy upgrading and protecting it.

  8. Dr Loser says:

    I am led to believe that you, Robert Pogson, are a graduate in Physics. Admittedly from the Dark Ages. And admittedly from a country whose educational institutions are barely recognised as adequate by the rest of the world. (This is sarcasm, btw.)

    Given that, would you kindly explain what you mean when you use the word “infinity?”

    You appear to have a very loose adherence to the real meaning of the term. I’m not even going to start with Aleph-Null. You don’t even seem to understand the basics.

    I’ll help you out here. What you are generally referring to is probably a Power Series.

    Admit that you really mean a Power Series. And then explain what you mean by that.

    An admission that you have spent ten years doing nothing but talking unmathematical drivel would also be acceptable, Robert.

  9. Dr Loser says:

    That’s just silly. Some business men can do the maths and paying an infinite sum just to use the hardware they own is bad business.

    Remove your head from your fundament, please, Robert.

    “Some business men?” I have no idea what you mean by that. You did not quantify it.

    But here’s what “business men” do, for good or bad. They understand amortization.

    It’s a fairly inexorable law of modern business life, Robert. You pay for an expected hardware lifetime, and then you throw it away. It’s even difficult to hand the stuff off to charities, unfortunately.

    But that’s hardware. Do you know what the cost, per seat, of M$ software is to the average SME?

    It’s the same as the cost, per seat, of toilet paper and coffee.

    Then again, you would presumably recommend wiping your arse with birch twigs and drinking fermented compost.

    It’s all good.

  10. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Spartan_Assault
    kurkosdr read again. Version of Halo was done for Windows Phone 8.

    Forza is self very limit releases even for Windows normal PC platform. Microsoft has mostly kept it as a xbox exclusive most of the time and why this is done due to a very stupid mistake. Most of it when you start reading how Microsoft created it games you go oboy you could not be more idiot in method.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_10_Studios

    Created sub-companies and wrote into there core governance to target only X platforms. So shotting yourself in foot when you make new platforms. Turn 10 Studios platform list platform to target as only xbox something as part of core governance.

    Basically game development Microsoft is a blundering with too many cooks no clean management and stupid polices written in stone when sub companies were created. Stupid as it sound to fix some of these issues Microsoft would have to basically dissolve some of the sub companies and recreate them this time with a constitution without foolish limitations. Problem in the process of dissolving company you lose all your existing staff contracts so you can lose key staff to other companies. Lets just say Microsoft management checkmated themselves.

    EA does not have anything in companies constitution limitation what platforms they can release on.

  11. kurkosdr says:

    Uh… because most of those games were designed for hair-driersmulticore/gigabyte RAM desktop/notebook PCs rather than power-sipping smartphones.

    Oh com’ on! Stop playing dumb. You know I am not referring to 1:1 ports. If EA could make mobile ports of NFS Hot Pursuit and NFS Most Wanted, while retaining a large part of the brand and the gameplay, so can MS. IMO it was a grand mistake WP7 didn’t launch with mobile ports of Halo and Forza. MS wouldn’t even have to make the ports themselves, they could just have contracted them out to some third party like EA did with Iron Monkey for their mobile games. The games were still great.

    @ohioham
    Write less words and better English of you want your posts to be read.

  12. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson funny enough you got something wrong.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1024761/xbox-360-games-single-threaded-says-vole

    This was 2005

    because most of those games were designed for hair-driersmulticore/gigabyte RAM desktop/notebook PCs rather than power-sipping smartphones.
    Reality is a lot of games are still not designed for Multicore. Most if they are designed for multi core are only upto 2 cores yet there are still new games being made for windows and game stations are that still just a single thread.

    Yes lot of games are designed to consume ram and have a fast single core speed. Lot of phones are multi core with quad starting 2011 but over core speed is slow. So good performance in fact requires proper multi core usage and off loading. Ram is a big one. Common overlooked is how weak most mobile phone GPU are. Weak GPU means you cannot offload there to cover up for CPU weaknesses very well.

    kurkosdr is close but not right. Some xbox and xbox 360 games could have been provided to some phones unmodified other than rebuilding if Microsoft had provided the tools.

    The reason why Microsoft did not provide the tools is possible bad press. Hey X game has not been ported to Windows Phone of course that reason would have been that it using GPU or is truly multi core of course end users seeing other games ported would end up pushing then maker wants to get users off back and does a port then since X game perform bad on Windows Phone it must be crap would happen. Yes that is the path that would happen. You see the same thing with the wine project over and over.

    kurkosdr just because something seams like a good idea does not mean it is. Windows Phone and Xbox Games not exactly a good idea. It would be a good idea if you were looking at that every xbox game would work without issues otherwise it would cause some bad compares. Wine has the protective excuse its a clone so it faulty in places so it gets the blame instead of the platform it is running on most of the time. Now Windows Phone where Microsoft is the maker what defense did Microsoft have if it back fired.

    Robert Pogson also do remember Wintel with Windows Phone idea was to get x86 chips into phones that has now failed so it would not been a cpu instruction set difference particularly for first generation xbox games.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_%28console%29
    Yes first generation Xbox cpu is only 733mhz and only 64 megs of ram. Xbox first one is only single screen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360
    Yes this shows Microsoft skill at doing compatibility. Kinda swiss cheese.

    Basically first generation xbox games on x86 instruction set compatible processor in a phone would be possible. Doing it would be a tricky. Using a re-complier would also be possible when you consider the speed of current day phone cpu vs it speed cpu. Of course it would be getting the makers to start releasing the games again as well. Still leaves the problem if it would make Windows phone look good or insanely bad.

  13. kurkosdr wrote, “Why didn’t MS port all their gaming assets to Windows Phone, encourage Xbox third-party devs to support WP, and bill the platform as gamer’s #1 choice?”

    Uh… because most of those games were designed for hair-driersmulticore/gigabyte RAM desktop/notebook PCs rather than power-sipping smartphones. Stuff designed to promote Wintel just won’t work on phones very well. For decades, M$ increased CPU utilization to sell more Intel CPUs and Intel increased lock-in to M$’s stuff so that M$ could sell more licences/copies. The smartphone was a mouse in comparison. Look at RAM. The early smartphones, like mine, were 512MB, no room at all for gazillions of warriors/tanks/planes/walls. Also games designed to use multiple large monitors can’t work well with tiny smartphones. It’s tunnel-vision.

  14. kurkosdr says:

    M$ is run by salesmen.

    And not even good salesmen. MS’s salesmen are more used car dealer than Apple marketing dept.

    Case in point: Why didn’t MS port all their gaming assets to Windows Phone, encourage Xbox third-party devs to support WP, and bill the platform as gamer’s #1 choice? That would make Metro apps take off. Instead, what they do is the equivalent of putting a “sale!!!” sticker on a windshield.

  15. The Wiz wrote, “Anyone who was going to be mucking with group policies will have no problem running this.”

    Yeah. How much fun is it trying to undo what M$ has done every Patch Tuesday from now on? How long before M$ plugs this hole? M$ is run by salesmen. They want those apps installed because they make money from them. Who are mere IT-guys to get in their way?

  16. The Wiz wrote, “You also didn’t have to manage anything more critical than a bunch of student PC’s, nor did you have to deal with situations in which you were required to support an application. Students don’t really have much say when software is arbitrarily changed on them by someone who is “improving” their situation.”

    Nonsense. I created a few applications in my years. That’s support. I updated regularly all the applications in Debian’s repositories. That’s support. If anything didn’t work I was the goto guy. ISTR that everything worked and much better than with XP running the show but I could not keep XP running for long in that environment. It was always collecting malware or failing to boot or slowing down. That was not acceptable to me. GNU/Linux worked for us.

    Further, IT is critical in modern schools and particularly in the North where freight is a huge cost for dead tree books and paper. GNU/Linux helped us greatly increase exposure to PC/server IT for a great improvement in utilization. We usually had student PCs in every classroom so there was less need for a lab and that was a great convenience for education. Also, whenever a teacher identified some need I found a way to provide it whether vocabulary-building applications for early years students or databases for high school teachers and students. That’s support.

  17. ram says:

    I don’t actually know of any businesses today using any recent (as in years) Microsoft operating system. A few small shops seem to be using Microsoft Windows 95 and even Microsoft Windows 3.1, but otherwise every business I know is using Linux or a BSD derivative.

    Corrupt government departments have Microsoft systems, but government purchasing, at least in Australia, follows its own “economics”. Usually something along the lines of procurement officials saying: “How can I help you, if you do not help me?”

  18. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Many businesses budget ~$1K per seat per annum for PCs while I managed less than $100 with GNU/Linux. Businesses care about such stuff. ”

    You also didn’t have to manage anything more critical than a bunch of student PC’s, nor did you have to deal with situations in which you were required to support an application. Students don’t really have much say when software is arbitrarily changed on them by someone who is “improving” their situation. Businessman, on the other hand will expect you to support and administer the applications that they hired you for, not to do a rip and replace when faced with a problem.

  19. Wizard Emeritus says:

    From the same article..

    “So, it appears that if admins want to keep users from accessing the Windows Store with Win10 Pro PCs, they’ll have to either spring for the upgrade, or crack open PowerShell and run Get-AppxPackage ​*windowsstore*​ | Remove-AppxPackage to uninstall the software bazaar…”

    Anyone who was going to be mucking with group policies will have no problem running this.

  20. Dr Loser wrote, “No sensible businessman would bet on FLOSS just because it saves them $50 per year per seat.”

    That’s just silly. Some business men can do the maths and paying an infinite sum just to use the hardware they own is bad business. That’s one of the reasons many businesses use GNU/Linux. Think of it this way. What reason is there to use TOOS when GNU/Linux will do? Do businesses buy gold-plated toilet tissue when the standard-issue will do? I’ve seen some pretty thin toilet-tissue in some places.

    Do the maths. SUN was looking at keeping a separate set of PCs just to run TOOS. That was going to run them a Hell of a lot more than $50. If I can manage quite well with a $60 thin client running GNU/Linux on ARM instead of ~$300 for TOOS on Intel, the difference is $240 just for the hardware. Then there are the Patch Tuesdays and re-re-reboots which cost money. Many businesses budget ~$1K per seat per annum for PCs while I managed less than $100 with GNU/Linux. Businesses care about such stuff. Businesses have been converting to GNU/Linux for more than a decade:
    2007:HDFC Bank, which runs around 25,000 desktops on a free office application called ‘Open Office’, is putting together a group of around 10 tech professionals who will develop and test new banking applications with Linux software.”

    Many don’t do it simply for cost but other reasons like escaping the Wintel treadmill of M$’s audits. The cost-savings is a bonus.

  21. Dr Loser says:

    Just one small point, Robert. If you are a business (even SME), you are going to want the Pro or Enterprise Edition. You will even demand it. And on that basis you will be prepared to pay for it.

    Which isn’t going to cost much, per seat. Windows 10 Pro is $199 raw, or $99 as an upgrade. And let’s face it, 90% of customers are going to be able to get it as an upgrade.

    The Enterprise edition? That’s where volume licensing comes in. And also marketroid obscurity, so unfortunately I cannot give you an accurate estimate per seat — but let’s go with $100 more.

    You know what, Robert? Even an SME will amortize $199 per seat as $50 per year.

    That’s less than the cost of toilet paper.

    You’re just bleating to the wilderness here, old man. No sensible businessman would bet on FLOSS just because it saves them $50 per year per seat.

    And you’d be surprised, but this actually extends to Office 365 on the same basis. I bought it cheap, as a single user. But I could equally have supplied a five person office with the full suite at $99 per annum for the lot.

    Maybe I should add the cost of coffee sweetener to that toilet paper bill.

  22. kurkosdr says:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/05/microsoft_windows_10_pro_store/

    For ****’s sake Microsoft! If small businesses wanted a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard, they ‘d by a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard. Not a Windows 10 PC.

    This, this is why I keep saying Satya Hipsterella was and is a dangerous choice for a CEO: He is a person with no original ideas, he thinks that making Microsoft products like Apple’s (preferably iOS, not OS X) and acting like Steve Jobs is all that a company should be.

    What’s next, disallowing us from access from the filesystem and making bluetooth file exchange not work (use OneDrive)?

  23. kurkosdr says:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/05/microsoft_windows_10_pro_store/

    For ****’s sake Microsoft! If small businesses wanted a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard, they ‘d by a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard. Not a Windows 10 PC.

    This, this is why I keep saying Satya Hipsterella was and is a dangerous choice for a CEO: He is a person with no original ideas, he thinks that making Microsoft products like Apple’s (preferably iOS, not OS X) and acting like Steve Jobs is all that a company should be.

    What’s next, disallowing us from access from the filesystem and making bluetooth file exchange not work (use OneDrive)?

  24. kurkosdr says:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/05/microsoft_windows_10_pro_store/

    For ***’s sake Microsoft! If small businesses wanted a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard, they ‘d by a locked-down toy iPad thingie with a keyboard. Not a Windows 10 PC.

    This, this is why I keep saying Satya Hipsterella was and is a dangerous choice for a CEO: He is a person with no original ideas, he thinks that making Microsoft products like Apple’s (preferably iOS, not OS X) and acting like Steve Jobs is all that a company should be.

    What’s next, disallowing us access from the filesystem and making bluetooth file exchange not work (use OneDrive)?

    (hat-tip to Pog, because of course Hipster-ization of Microsoft has turned the company into the caricature freetards always wished it was)

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