Illegal Copying Of TOOS v GNU/Linux

“The estimates predict that a 1% increase in the piracy rate in a given country is expected to result in a reduction of Linux user shares in the area of 0.5-0.65% depending on the model specification. Taking the estimates literally, removal of piracy (i.e., reduction of 100%) is expected to increase the share of Linux users by 50-65%. However, given the fairly low share of Linux users globally, the effect is more limited in absolute terms. If we take the estimates literally for all ranges of piracy rates, then for the average country with a 1% Linux user share, abolishing piracy would increase the Linux share to around 1.5-1.65%.”
 
See Software Piracy and Linux Adoption by Arne Rogde
I’m not sure the authour’s numbers are correct but his arguments are persuasive. That Other OS competes with GNU/Linux on price when it’s available as an illegal copy. He also corrects for effects of personal income and local Internet bandwidth. Obviously there is a significant effect but it pales into insignificance compared to the brutal lock-in M$ uses. Even the poor or remote people may feel that lock-in as they struggle to keep up with the Joneses. Just try buying a PC with GNU/Linux for instance. What’s on retail shelves is scarcely affected by wealth or bandwidth or remoteness.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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23 Responses to Illegal Copying Of TOOS v GNU/Linux

  1. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy what do you think the dock runs in that 2014 article. That is right embedded Linux. Basically the same old 2002 docking tech in 2014 with upgraded connectivity.

    The dock in the 2014 article you can use with a standard Linux laptop or tablet that support 60Ghz wifi for video out.

    Yes that article is running android but android can be used to run desktop Linux contained. Sorry the article is not irrelevant.

    Why people want to make out Android is not Linux Distribution is it allows them lose where it fits into the Linux world development in the portable devices. Android is a test bed.

    Linux common method has been a thin-client device that everything connect to. This is to reduce socket wear on the device.

    So ideal is wireless screen keyboard and mouse. Why because then you are not plugging stuff in and out wearing out sockets. Yes 2014 demo is basically close to the ideal design. Its just working out how to lose the need for extra device on table and have like bluetooth keyboard/mouse and some wireless protocol that monitors straight up accept.

  2. Deaf Spy says:

    As usual, Fifi, you are irrelevant. This is Android. Linux is not even mentioned in your article.

    Apologize, you fraud!

  3. Deaf Spy says:

    Apologize for writeln() or please shut up.

  4. oiaohm says:

    The market never saw such a monstrosity, Fifi. For a reason. Market considered these phones dead on arrival.
    Deaf Spy it does not change time-line of development or when it was available..

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2473515,00.asp
    Instant unplug solutions from 2002 through to current day have just keep on appearing. At some point someone going to get it right. That is 2014.

  5. Deaf Spy says:

    The market never saw such a monstrosity, Fifi. For a reason. Market considered these phones dead on arrival.

    Fifi, you speak too much for someone who can’t explain how writeln() works. Apologize or shut up.

  6. oiaohm says:

    A phone with Linux. Fifi, you’re a amazingly illiterate, fraudulent and lying little thing.
    Deafspy in fact you are a lying little thing. And you should be very careful on corrections. I said the Linux world for a reason. The dock was Linux not the phone in 2002. The phone was some other horrible OS.

    2005 is when the first Linux standards for mobile phone development starts. Linux world had been messing around the edged of the phone market from 2000 on.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/motorola-unveils-first-linux-smart-phone/

    2003 A760 add on product that never made it to market was again another Linux powered dock to provide larger screen.

    This stuff is basically the predecessor to the chromecast stuff and fast docking and undocking.

    Earliest pull cable suspend application is 2002 between Linux dock and some horrible OS phone. Pure Linux example is 1 year later 2003.

    Nokia N770 was 2005 with debian able to be installed and run. Yes suspending X11 applications was already implemented Xpra. Kill X11 server when cable is pulled X11 applications connected by Xpra would stop then you could hibernate device. Yes the X11 screen with big screen off a Nokia N770 was a standard Linux thin terminal.

    So deafspy exactly how Robert described it was for bigger networks of thinclients and servers is how it was done in 2005 using the Nokia N770 phone as the application server.

    Deaf Spy 2005 is just not possible to put a full video card in a phone.

    2005 it worked. 2002-2004 prototype.

    Deafspy basically you attacked Robert without grounds. Failing to understand there is not much difference between a thinclient suspend of state and a rapid docking and undocking device.

  7. Deaf Spy says:

    This was done in the Linux world on phones back as early as 2002.

    A phone with Linux. Fifi, you’re a amazingly illiterate, fraudulent and lying little thing.

  8. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy
    –“I was disconnecting the Kangaroo from its input devices (keyboard and mouse), HDMI output, and even its power source.”–
    Reviewer being a idiot. The Kangaroo has a small internal power source that is how come you can pull the power and have it hibernate safely basically like a UPS shutdown triggered by loss of power. So you did not in fact completely disconnect it power source when you pulled the keyboard and mouse.

    What it is doing is no different to docking phone solutions just with legal nightmare.

    http://thehackernews.com/2016/02/maru-android-debian-linux.html
    Like Muru OS one of the latest forms of Linux doing dock phone become full OS.

    This is basically pulling the cable off the device. Yet, it was able to quickly tombstone its session, and have it restored immediately later on.
    This was done in the Linux world on phones back as early as 2002. So yes it was existing by 2005. Some of the early strange badly performing attempts at extra features.

    Issue has been quality interface and quality hardware that it all performs well. Really think about it its only been the last 3 years that CPU that are pocket size have had decent performance without wanting to burn you to death.

    The desktop battle is going to move to a Phone battle.

  9. Deaf Spy says:

    We’ve had those features in GNU/Linux for ages, since about 2005 or so. A lot of thin clients do that with a session left on the server no matter the state of the client.

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha

    Pay attention, Robert.

    “I was disconnecting the Kangaroo from its input devices (keyboard and mouse), HDMI output, and even its power source.”
    This is basically pulling the cable off the device. Yet, it was able to quickly tombstone its session, and have it restored immediately later on.

    If you confuse this with a remote session, then you utterly beyond hope, and you must never ever give any opinion on IT at all.

  10. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser there are a few issues with the Kangaroo.
    http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/2/5574146/microsoft-making-windows-free-on-devices-with-screens-under-nine

    Remember this Kangaroo Windows Home License was free because its under 250 USD and has a screen under 9 inches and its technically a device. The fact you may plug it into a 21 inch screen you may be up the total creek with a BSA audit. Because you don’t have a license to use that item with a 21 inch screen.

    Next in business usage and connecting to every network device you can have Windows Home will not cut it. Particular features were stripped out of Windows 10 home effecting network usage. So fairly much the 99 dollar device Windows 10 home is only a test OS to confirm the device functions if you are worried about legal risks. Because I don’t think a kangaroo would be that useful limited to 9 inch or smaller screen. Reviewer did not check out Microsoft licensing limitations and did not review the device conforming to the licensing restrictions. Woohoo reviews encouraging users to use software illegally.

    Windows 10 Home costs $119.99 , and Windows 10 Pro costs $199.99.

    To use the device how the reviewer demoed you should pay one of those.

    http://fossbytes.com/microsoft-continuum-turns-windows-10-phones-into-a-full-pc/
    Now if this was a contiunum device that would been another matter but you don’t find those that cheap. As least that way with Microsoft you are not risking take with license infringement.

  11. DrLoser wrote, “the Kangaroo was right where I left it, showing the OS and apps in the same state, as if nothing had happened. “

    We’ve had those features in GNU/Linux for ages, since about 2005 or so. A lot of thin clients do that with a session left on the server no matter the state of the client. It was cool to be able to shutdown a client in one room, walk to another room, log in and have the cursor in exactly the same spot… Normally, killing the Xserver on a client will kill the application but if you have the Xserver on the server and connect via SSH or some such means, you just log in to the session and carry on. It’s a matter of configuration. We usually found it undesirable to do this as the server would need RAM for every possible user simultaneously instead of just the few at a client machine but for a small enough number of users it is very feasible.

    Largo, FL, which has no shortage of RAM on powerful servers is planning to go totally stateless: “We’re moving our users to an environment of stateless connections so they can resume between multiple end point devices. The GNOME desktop and backend software has changed minimally, and focus on this change was making speed optimizations and getting the desktop and software to work on as many devices as possible.”

  12. DrLoser says:

    Read the review. In particular:

    One thing that absolutely shocked me was what happened when I decided to just remove the Dock from the Kangaroo while it was on. Keep in mind that pulling the two apart meant that I was disconnecting the Kangaroo from its input devices (keyboard and mouse), HDMI output, and even its power source.

    And yet, when I put the two back together a few seconds later, the Kangaroo was right where I left it, showing the OS and apps in the same state, as if nothing had happened. There was no error, no reboot required, and all the devices (monitor, mouse, and keyboard) worked without having to be unplugged and plugged back in.

    Amazing what ten years of advances in hardware can do, isn’t it, Robert? In this case, it’s presumably the “tombstoning” ability that comes with Windows 8 and onwards.

    But you wouldn’t know anything at all about that, would you?

    Tell you what. I’ll make you a decent and honourable offer. Set up a crowd-sourcing site, begging for the money to buy a Kangaroo, and I, personally, guarantee to fulfil the whole $99 plus tax plus shipment plus any other reasonable cost overruns on my own.

    Your utter bigoted ignorance over the years has given me more pleasure than I can express with mere words, Mr Pogson.

    Allow me to express my gratitude with cold, hard, cash.

  13. DrLoser says:

    There are all kinds of practical problems involved like it refusing to run on non-EFI hardware, nagging forever, re-re-rebooting, never getting updates, etc. Why would anyone subject themselves to that pain? Just install Debian GNU/Linux and all those problems fall away and very few take their place.

    How would you know, Robert? You’ve never tried to do so yourself. Not even once. Not for ten years or more.

    Do yourself a favour. Splurge $100 of that massive savings you made on buying a dysfunctional PRC half-tractor with 500 hours of “loving pre-maintenance required” on a Kangaroo, complete with docking station and Windows 10.

    Use the free Windows 10 to write a blistering, excoriating, expose of the OS failures. Then pave over this lovely little $100 small smart thingie with the Debian of your choice.

    Win-win, I would think. Who knows? You might even get anybody who has used modern IT client devices (modern being defined as “designed later than 2007”) to take you seriously!

    Unlikely, sure. But worth a shot at $100, I would say.

  14. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser wrote,
    “Don’t bother with all the old “compelling reasons.” They clearly did not compel.”

    Followed by all the old “compelling” reasons.

    I’m not denying that they are “compelling” to you. But they haven’t really been “compelling” to the 99%, have they?

    Got any new “compelling” reasons?

    Or are you too ashamed of the shoddy product you espouse to admit that it is just as shoddy in 2016 as it has been for the last ten years or so, and is very unlikely to improve on that shoddiness?

    God knows, I’ve spent the last years sampling it and being tremendously unimpressed by its inherent shoddiness.

  15. Agent_Smith says:

    DrLoser wrote,
    “Don’t bother with all the old “compelling reasons.” They clearly did not compel.”

    Surely not. FLOSS is only compelling to people who is aware of what big corporations do. The average Joe’s exchange freedom for practicality, privacy, for availability of software titles.
    And, in all those, MS is loosing.
    Gabe jumped ship, developers also did it. Google hit it with all its guns: Developers, developers, developers. And, MS, with their clumsy and restrictive policies, did scare away the “Developers”.
    Now, windows phone is a just a footnote in history books and desktops(where MS still has a foothold) are languishing, indeed Android and ChromeOS are the torpedoes that are sinking the MS ship.

    Regards,

  16. kurkosdr says:

    Too bad Windows with Bing is free for small cheap computers

    And small-not-so-cheap computers. The requirement is for the device to have a screen being 9 inches or smaller.

  17. kurkosdr says:

    Or, as Encyclopedia Dramatica puts it: “Warez is the best option for people who can’t afford to buy proprietary software but don’t smell bad enough to use Free Software”

  18. dougman wrote, “anyone can download Windows 10 and use it sans a product key during the process.”

    There are all kinds of practical problems involved like it refusing to run on non-EFI hardware, nagging forever, re-re-rebooting, never getting updates, etc. Why would anyone subject themselves to that pain? Just install Debian GNU/Linux and all those problems fall away and very few take their place.

  19. dougman says:

    Re: You still need to buy a license, so it’s not free.

    CORRECT!…DING…DING…DING

    Windows 10 Home costs $119.99 , and Windows 10 Pro costs $199.99.

    But in reality, anyone can download Windows 10 and use it sans a product key during the process. Oh, Windows 10 prompts you for it, twice in fact. However, in both cases you can hit the little ‘Skip for now’ button and let Windows 10 install. It is tiny, but it is there.

    So what happens? Nothing. Windows 10 Home or Pro is installed, and you can use it FREE!!!!!

  20. DrLoser says:

    I dare say, that the amalgamation of the Linux kernel, along with the merger of ChromeOS to Android, WILL BE the torpedo that sinks M$’s floating turd.

    Oh, and one more Nope.

    Nope, Dope.

    What new compelling reason would this present to the consumer?

    Don’t bother with all the old “compelling reasons.” They clearly did not compel.

  21. Ivan says:

    now that Windows 10 is free

    You still need to buy a license, so it’s not free.

    everyone that is forcibly upgraded hates the damn thing

    Nope.

    July 29th 2016 – Microsoft start charging for Windows 10.

    They were charging for it on July 29th, 2015.

    July 17th, 2017 – last possible date Microsoft will allow Windows 7 or Windows 8 to be used.

    Nope.

  22. dougman says:

    Quote; “Thus, in the absence of software piracy, Linux would be a more widely used operating system.”

    So, with that being stated, now that Windows 10 is free. The uptick of Linux shall commence. HAIL!…HAIL!…

    Talk about a WIN-WIN for Linux and a LOSE-LOSE for Microsoft.

    Windows 10 is a flop, as everyone that is forcibly upgraded hates the damn thing. If anyone here states they love Windows 10, they are really admitting that they love being told what to do on their computer.

    July 29th 2016 – Microsoft start charging for Windows 10.

    July 17th, 2017 – last possible date Microsoft will allow Windows 7 or Windows 8 to be used.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/01/27/when-free-windows-10-becomes-expensive-fear-this

    I dare say, that the amalgamation of the Linux kernel, along with the merger of ChromeOS to Android, WILL BE the torpedo that sinks M$’s floating turd.

  23. Deaf Spy says:

    In other words, the paper proves that when compared feature-wise (price being ignored), Windows is chosen before Linux.

    Too bad Windows with Bing is free for small cheap computers.

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