Go Bern Council! FLOSS!

“The council of the Swiss capital of Bern on 12 November ordered the IT department to end its dependence on proprietary software. The council halved the city request for a six-year licence contract, and insisted on an exit plan. A majority of councillors wants the city to replace proprietary software by open source solutions, such as Linux and LibreOffice.”
 
See Bern council demands transition to open source
I’d like to think IT departments are run by rational people who could choose and implement FLOSS on their own but sometimes it takes a kick in the butt to move from concept to implementation. I doubt it takes a vote of council to choose to repair broken light-bulbs. It shouldn’t to fix broken IT. IT is broken if an organization has to pay for permission to use the computers and networks that it owns.

I don’t know why FLOSS should have to be voted in a council but here we have it again. IT departments should just announce smaller budgetary requests and make it happen. Bern, like many jurisdictions in Europe will have Free Software sooner or later.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
This entry was posted in technology and tagged , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink.

33 Responses to Go Bern Council! FLOSS!

  1. oiaohm says:

    olderman you just undermined you case for asking me anything.

  2. olderman says:

    “Main reason I am not answer is you are lazy bassard who has not done the require research before making a point of view.”

    And I should waste time energy and effort on an admitted liar…why?

    Have a nice day…

  3. olderman says:

    “olderman sorry when the person challenging as repeatily taken the point of view that your a lieing. By law it your requirement to present the evidence that I am lieing first.”

    Need I point out that it is you who has admitted that you are a liar?

    Have a nice day…

  4. oiaohm says:

    When you make statement in a post, you get to back it up if challenged.
    olderman sorry when the person challenging as repeatily taken the point of view that your a lieing. By law it your requirement to present the evidence that I am lieing first.

    Think there is a big list on the wikipedia of migrations that have been successful why do I have to remake what already exists. Main reason I am not answer is you are lazy bassard who has not done the require research before making a point of view.

  5. olderman says:

    “olderman since you will not give me anything. Never expect me to give you anything again. Fair trade is required.”

    Again, Fifi, i doesn’t work that way no matter how many times you assert otherwise. When you make statement in a post, you get to back it up if challenged. And given the fact that you are a self admitted liar when posting here, the person you “challenge” without coo-beration gets to dismiss and ignore you as most likely as full of crap.

  6. oiaohm says:

    olderman since you will not give me anything. Never expect me to give you anything again. Fair trade is required.

  7. olderman says:

    ‘Until you do don’t be surprised if I keep on asking for your list since you said you wanted one so should be building one.”

    It doesn’t work that way, except of course when one is like yourself full of of crap. It’s your point to back up not mine. You get nothing from me Fifi.

  8. oiaohm says:

    olderman but you regularly make assertion that FOSS is not a option. So you really should have your documentation of what works and what does not. Until you do don’t be surprised if I keep on asking for your list since you said you wanted one so should be building one.

  9. olderman says:

    “That you are not willing to name one you are out to be a prick nothing more so should be ignored.”

    I do not have to name anything sir. I did not make the initial assertion.

  10. DrLoser says:

    Then again from what I have seen of his posts, Dougie has serious issues with anyone who has achieved beyond a high school education.

    That’s not quite fair. From what I remember, Dougie doesn’t even have a high school education. I may be mistaken. He might just have insisted that such a thing is unnecessary and expensive.

  11. DrLoser says:

    LOL…. you mad? Because I can take a extended hiatus sabbatical?

    You sure that isn’t a hiatus hernia, Dougie? I’d check if I were you. Bad stuff, hiatus hernias.

    Now, as to sabbaticals … you sort of have to earn them. They tend to be paid by your university employer (or other academic institute or think-tank or whatever). I suspect you are confusing a “sabbatical” with a period of unemployment, whether forced or unforced. They are not the same thing.

  12. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser reality here. I mentioned we have.

    Referring to what, pray, Fifi?

    But I’ll do you the honour of replying in kind.

    Purple Monkey Dishwasher, Fifi.

  13. olderman wrote, “lets start by naming them with URL’s to proof shall we?”

    I predict the Berne council’s decision will result in a successful migration:

    There is influential leadership there.
    There is a budgetary motivation.There is a deadline sufficiently far in the future to permit good planning and trials.There are lots of examples of how and how not to do a successful migration.

    Certainly it is possible that a migration could go wrong, but with these features of the landscape, it’s very unlikely. Also, with FLOSS, if there is a problem it’s fixable. I still think they should do it on the weekend with thin clients to minimize costs and maximize performance/efficiency.

  14. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser reality here. I mentioned we have.

    lets start by naming them with URL’s to proof shall we?
    Basically olderman if you want a catalog of them you take the time and effort to collect them like I have.

    Since you call me a fraud I have absolutely no reason to give you any until you start naming what you know. I gave you a clue so you could at least name 1 olderman. That you are not willing to name one you are out to be a prick nothing more so should be ignored.

  15. olderman says:

    “LOL…. you mad? Because I can take a extended hiatus sabbatical?”

    Not at all, I simply don’t believe you any more than you believe me, Dougie.

  16. dougman says:

    Re: who expects us to take his claims to have actually retired off the proceeds of his computer business, but feels free to belittle and sneer at other peoples expertise.

    LOL…. you mad? Because I can take a extended hiatus sabbatical?

  17. dougman wrote, “the largest and highly successful Linux migrations are the school districts handing out Chromebooks. You know, the devices running ChromeOS, built from Gentoo AND running Linux on ARM.”

    Chromebooks certainly are making waves but there have been larger and successful migrations:

    The mind boggles at such numbers but GNU/Linux is sufficiently flexible that such migrations can be done on time and under budget. No doubt Chrome OS GNU/Linux has broad appeal in schools but is probably still behind GNU/Linux in the “record-books”.

  18. DrLoser wrote, “Have a guess at how they are going to “commoditize their user base.”

    No guessing required. M$ is copying the ransomware folks. “We have your machine and your data… Pay us!”. This is exactly why Munich and Berne and the French police chose independence from M$. That’s not exactly the message M$ will provide to the slaves. It may be more subtle like ads and subscriptions but it’s all about folks paying for permission to use the hardware they own.

  19. olderman says:

    “Out of idle interest, Dougie, what does “composing sheet music” mean, precisely?”

    It means my dear doctor, that Dougie is an ignorant buffoon who expects us to take his claims to have actually retired off the proceeds of his computer business, but feels free to belittle and sneer at other peoples expertise.

    Then again from what I have seen of his posts, Dougie has serious issues with anyone who has achieved beyond a high school education.

  20. DrLoser says:

    And, to prove that I am scrupulously fair when one of the Pogson Peanut Gallery actually makes a sensible point — this, from Dougie:

    Why else would M$ give away an entire operating system for free? Unless it is to commoditize its user base in obtain financial gain…

    Good gravy, Dougie, I believe you have hit upon the precise strategy. Better late than never, I suppose. Yes, with Windows 10, Microsoft has fairly obviously “commoditized its user base.”

    Go with that thought, Dougie. Exercise what little cognitive ability you have.

    Have a guess at how they are going to “commoditize their user base.”

  21. DrLoser says:

    Really here is a bias problem here luvr. Like the Prison PC stuff is 100 percent successful.

    Crossing threads, sweetie? You know you shouldn’t.

    On your own claims, I have grounds to sue you for defamation. Or being a witch. Or something — it was never quite clear.

    On my own behalf, however, I am content simply to laugh at you.

  22. DrLoser says:

    Fine OLDMAN, I find your ignorance enlightening, especially coming from someone that supposedly composes sheet music …

    Out of idle interest, Dougie, what does “composing sheet music” mean, precisely?

    Not much at all, as far as I can see.

  23. dougman says:

    Fine OLDMAN, I find your ignorance enlightening, especially coming from someone that supposedly composes sheet music, but provides no evidence to the contrary. So either you are willfully ignorant, or you do not know how to use Google, to perform a web search. Don’t use BING, it is always wrong and makes people cringe when it is spoken, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wpd67fF5DQ

    To date, the largest and highly successful Linux migrations are the school districts handing out Chromebooks. You know, the devices running ChromeOS, built from Gentoo AND running Linux on ARM.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/downers-grove/news/ct-dgr-chrome-book-learning-tl-1119-20151112-story.html

    http://www.edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2015/10/google-education-gains-momentum-50m-app-users-10m-chromebook-users

  24. olderman says:

    “Olderman bad news, you still get to back up your words. so get to it.”

    After you sir…

  25. luvr says:

    olderman said, “Oiaohm bad news, you still get to back up your words. so get to it.”

    Olderman bad news, you still get to back up your words. so get to it.

  26. olderman says:

    “olderman bad news. I and Robert have been putting up URL to different migrations over and over again.”

    Oiaohm bad news, you still get to back up your words. so get to it.

  27. oiaohm says:

    Really here is a bias problem here luvr. Like the Prison PC stuff is 100 percent successful.

    And, conversely, let’s search for proof of how badly all those migrations failed, shall we?
    There are many migrations what have pure proof of success. Of course if you only attempt to list failed ones you will get a complete false idea of what is going on.

  28. luvr says:

    dougmansaid, “lets start by naming them with URL’s to proof shall we?”

    And, conversely, let’s search for proof of how badly all those migrations failed, shall we? 😉

  29. oiaohm says:

    olderman bad news. I and Robert have been putting up URL to different migrations over and over again. So really if you have been paying attention you should be able to produce a list of 48. Last one from me was the Australian Prison PC.

  30. olderman says:

    “luvr there have been many migrations since Munich many successful. Some way more successful. Of course the trolls don’t want to talk about that.”

    lets start by naming them with URL’s to proof shall we?

  31. oiaohm says:

    luvr there have been many migrations since Munich many successful. Some way more successful. Of course the trolls don’t want to talk about that.

  32. luvr says:

    dougman wrote, “Why, isn’t there no more newspaper articles and blog stories downplaying this and calling for the removal heads pushing this change in IT?”

    Meh… They’re obviously waiting for Munich to finally admit what a disaster their migration from Windows to Linux really was. Just you wait and see—once that happens, there will soon enough be a tidal wave of such articles and blog stories. 😉

  33. dougman says:

    It seems to me, and I may be wrong about my assumption here, but, the days of advocacy for M$ by way of MVP’s have waned. In the past, there would have been a localized reactionary response made up of M$ constituency arguing against the folly of such a move.

    Primarily the people making such a fuss, are the one’s that have a lot to lose with the new direction IT is taking and nowadays, we do not see this action taking place. Why, isn’t there no more newspaper articles and blog stories downplaying this and calling for the removal heads pushing this change in IT?

    Perhaps, the winds of IT have changed and people are beginning to wake up to the fact that M$ software is NOT in the best interest of the end-user, but more in the interest of M$ itself.

    Why else would M$ give away an entire operating system for free? Unless it is to commoditize its user base in obtain financial gain, perhaps some bean-counter in Redmond realized that selling off data from constituency is far more profitable then actually just charging for the OS to begin with.

    Eh.

Leave a Reply