Moral Obligation = Conscience, Trump

Last week, Trump was at a “town hall” meeting when some nutcase started prattling about Muslims being a problem and that POTUS was a Muslim. He even suggested getting rid of Muslims. In the face of this “question” Trump responded that he would look into this… Later, he stated that he did not have a moral obligation to “defend president Obama”. What about those Muslims, Trump? Do you have a moral obligation to defend their right to freedom of religion as laid out in the USAian constitution? What about ordinary human rights not to be “gotten rid of”? Do you have a conscience?

Further, what does it say about the GOP that their front-runner for candidacy has no conscience? This latest gaffe is not the only indicator. Trump also thinks it would be a good idea to just round up ~11million “illegal immigrants”. How many Jews/communists/opponents did the Nazis have to round up before they committed a crime against humanity? Trump also holds that being born in USA should not convey citizenship… Trump is insane and the GOP is either insane or about to fragment to avoid schizophrenia. That a huge fraction of USAian citizens might vote for this guy is frightening. It’s like 1930s Germany/Italy all over again. Whether Trump could make political deals or get the trains to run on time, he should be shunned in the political arena. If, in our worst nightmare, Trump should be elected, the world should immediately sever all relations with USA to keep him in check.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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31 Responses to Moral Obligation = Conscience, Trump

  1. ssorbom says:

    Agh, I meant page 22

  2. ssorbom says:

    Sorry, forgot to use quotes.
    Excerpt is from page 19 of the linked PDF, in case anyone cares.

  3. ssorbom says:

    By the way, there is good statistical data from political science research to indicate that the major problem is oil, not Islam:
    http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/exed/sites/ldf/Academic/Ross%20-%20Does%20Oil%20Hinder%20Democracy.pdf

    Relevant Conclusion:
    Area specialists might also feel vindicated in noting that in these
    tests the most powerful impediments to democracy include the variables
    Regimet-5, Mideast, and Arabian Peninsula, which represent the accumulation
    of historical and cultural factors in each country, and in the
    Arabian Peninsula and Mid-east-regions, that are not captured by income,
    resource wealth, Islam, or non-Western status.
    This underscores
    the critical importance of case studies in explaining regime types.

  4. ssorbom says:

    I would take the article with a heavy dose of salt.
    “The center for security policy” (source) is under observation by the southern poverty law center for its ties to known racists in the US.
    The founder has his own profile:
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/frank-gaffney-jr

    Relevent bit:
    “In 1987, he [Frank Gaffney Jr] was nominated for an Assistant Secretary of Defense post, but the Senate did not confirm him. In 1988, he founded the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a hawkish but initially respectable think tank. ”

    Good people, US citizens and otherwise, get hurt by this crap.
    Also from the profile:
    “In 2012, Salon.com’s Alex Seitz-Wald interviewed one such victim of Gaffney’s Muslim-baiting, Salil Gill. A former member of the Navy’s Judge Advocate General’s Corps, a legal branch of the military, and Bush White House official, Gill was blindsided soon after he joined the newly formed Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2004. The problems started when DHS officials questioned him regarding a former American Muslim Council member who was convicted of money laundering. After the inquiry, Gill was cleared, and went back to work.”

    This Islamophobia across the Western world is, quite frankly, frightening.

  5. JD provided a link. That’s a bizarre poll. “Muslim god Allah” and “Muslim mosque” are really awkward terms I’ve never heard before. Anyone who knows anything about Islam and the bible knows Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all about the same god. Further, the questions about shariah suggest the pollsters know nothing about shariah. It is simply written and customary law derived from the Quran and traditional knowledge, not much different from the law of Hammurabi, The Ten Commandments or English Common Law. The USA and many other countries prescribe a system of written laws and jurisprudence, little different from shariah. Nothing prevents a country like USA from legislating shariah but that is very unlikely as too many lawyers are involved and a whole lot of water has flowed under that bridge. In fact, USA claims to be “one country under God” or some such thing, not particularly different from shariah.

    Jihad does not imply violence at all but struggle. It can trigger violence but the vast majority of muslims are non-violent just as in USA only ~1% of citizens take up arms to join the military. In fact, the majority of Syrian citizens seem to be emigrating rather than fighting despite being muslim. If ever there was a reason to fight, Assad has given Syrians many such reasons. If muslims were inherently violent, why is Assad still around? Why is Iran, a muslim country supporting Assad?

    JD’s article’s thesis is bankrupt.

  6. YY wrote, “It is very safe to say that there are not a few thousand ‘problematic’ muslims but millions.”

    No, it’s not. If there were millions, we would be having a world war rather than minor police-actions. There are more murderers and drunken drivers in USA than terrorists in the world. Ignoring them is a valid strategy, but it’s a lot easier to give them their death-wishes.

  7. YY says:

    Robert wrote that I wrote a bunch of nonsense. And then says: “There are BILLIONS of Muslims..”.
    Really Robert? Even in capitals? OK, I’ll be your teacher.

    There are about 1,5 billion muslims.

    You say only a few thousand are ‘problematic’? Is the word problematic some sort of euphemism for murder, (child)rape, slavery, genocide, etc?
    Depending on the definition of problematic, let’s start with the obvious. Let’s define problematic with violent or approving of this violence. In IS territory there are about 50.000 of those lunatics. Then there are the obvious other areas like Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Eritrea, and may others. It is very safe to say that there are not a few thousand ‘problematic’ muslims but millions.

    However, those murderers, (child) rapist, slave drivers, so euphemistic called ‘problematic’ by Robert, are in fact the tip of the iceberg. There are those facilitating, teaching, parenting, stimulating or whispering hate in ears. Like we have seen in Nuremberg, those are considered as responsible as those acting themselves. Those are not millions but tens of millions.

    However, those are the (semi) active parts of this population. There is also a non active part and potentially even much more dangerous part. Those believing that the religious laws of their specific religion should rule all. Those believing the whole world should be dominated by sharia law. It doesn’t matter what others think, believe or want. THEY want sharia and when the time is there, they will enforce this. There have been many research on this subject, and the fact is there are few who don’t want this. They however, are not considered ‘true’ muslims by the others, whatever that may be. So actually, of the 1,5 billion (yes Robert, 1,5 billion) muslims, may be a few thousand are NOT (potentially) dangerous.

    That is not the end of it. I read a lot of nonsense in the commends about christianity and other religions. Actually, most of it is just proving the facts. You Robert, argument that christians and others have been and even may be as lunatic as any other (religious) idiot. And your right! However, now that we have finally muzzled them after centuries of genocide, rape and murder, they tend to obey our scientific rules in daily live, our Trias Politica and the (practical) separation of religion and state. Nowadays they seem just to try to intervene in what we do on Sunday, who we have sex with and if that incest victim girl should keep that fetus that could both be her child and brother. You see and understand what the deeper behavior of them is? They want to enforce their behavior on others. By definition they are intolerant.

    And that is where we have to focus deeper on this sick and potentially dangerous behavior.
    Obvious there is no god. Every sane person understands that. However, this is difficult to prove but this is not our task, nor does science work that way. Science is concerned with proving what does exist. It’s actually the task of ‘believers’ that there does exist a deity. And they can’t do this neither as I can prove that Little Red Riding Hood is having sexual experiments with me every night when I’m dreaming. As long as nothing of this all has been proved we have to assume this all is made up by little rascals to mess up with you. Or better, this ‘believe’ has been build in our brains since we acquired the ability to recognize correlation and this ‘felt’ cause-effect. It’s very useful to ‘feel’ the correlation between drinking in that certain place at that river and a crocodile attacking. This has been successfully learned (I should say programmed) in the newer parts of our brain. It’s easily understandable that the wrong connections could be linked. It is also easily understandable that the medicine man could gain power, prestige and young women when he claims the power of that ‘magical’ happening. This mechanism is extremely strong. One only has to be present at a game of dice to hear the magical thinking.

    So we have to focus on what can be proved since we know what has been made up in our brain can and often is playing fantasy games on us. Luckily, there is a field of science that is specialized on this. And there is a name for this phenomenon: a (mass religious) Delusional Disorder. A pervasive and if not treated rigorously and well dangerous and often violent mental disorder and because of the mass characteristic extremely difficult to treat. Often the mental health care taker has the same illness.

    Keep in mind:

    They will always see truth in everyday happenings (Magical Thinking),
    They will always be convinced of their truth (Delusional Disorder),
    They may be severe and dangerous if confronted with truth (Cognitive Dissonance).

  8. kurkosdr wrote, “they won’t have the freedom of speech and freedom of expression they enjoy in western countries, because most of the population there is muslim.”

    That’s false. I lived in Saudi Arabia several years and lack of freedom there has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with a feudal monarchy. As long as the oil flows, that will continue. Go to Jordan or Iraq, before the invasion by ISIL, and you will find great diversity of religion and opinion. At one time, Islam was a fountain of creativity in arts and science. These days, many regimes have hijacked Islam to have the people fall into line. There are many artificial lines drawn in the sand of the Middle East and the tyrants always claim to be more Islamic than the other fellow. ISIL is no different in that regard. Muslims, by and large are very kind and considerate. Even the nomadic tribes are often quite hospitable because hospitality is often the only thing that keeps people alive in the desert.

  9. kurkosdr says:

    …and before someone says that the 3 countries I mentioned do not have democratically elected leaders, Turkey does have a democratically elected leader, and you can still find yo ass arrested for saying. writing or drawing something that mocks local historical figures or Islam. They even banned youtube for not being “legal” in Turkey.

    But hey liberals and progressives, keep advocating for the Islamification of the Western countries. Just make sure that, if your plan succeeds, you then use your freedom of speech and freedom of expression as much as possible while you have it.

  10. kurkosdr says:

    Few are demanding anything be banned.

    Are you blind? Didn’t you see the protests calling for Denmark to silence the artists of the sketches (and threatening to ban all Danish products if they don’t) or the calls for the Franch government to shut down Charlie Hebdo? (before the shootings)

    Most muslims are taught to have religion above everything else. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, democracy. Even the ones living in western countries

    No amount of “liberal” or “progressive” thinking will change that.

    And why all those “liberals” and “progressives” won’t go to live at Iran, UAE or Quatar already? Oh yeah, over there, they won’t have the freedom of speech and freedom of expression they enjoy in western countries, because most of the population there is muslim.

  11. kurkosdr wrote, ““they should ban anyone who…” (most of the muslim population).”

    That’s just not true. Few are demanding anything be banned. Even ISIS doesn’t want to ban stuff. They want to kill everyone for any reason. There is a difference between banning and killing, eh?

  12. kurkosdr says:

    <I, too, believe it’s best not to go around trying to offend people. I’m not Muslim.

    You like playing with words, right? (you are not good at it btw).

    There is a difference between “it’s best not to…” (you) and “they should ban anyone who…” (most of the muslim population). A big difference. Especially when applied to freedom of speech (and sketching). Right? Right?

  13. kurkosdr wrote, ” most of the muslim population thinks Denmark and France should change their culture and values and ban sketches from artists. Not just the “fundamentals”.”

    I, too, believe it’s best not to go around trying to offend people. I’m not Muslim. I have common courtesy. The thing that offends Muslims should also offend Christians/Jews. It’s one of the Ten Commandments:
    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

  14. kurkosdr says:

    This is not about Islam but about folks’ resistance to change. I’ve moved around amongst many cultures and I was resistant to change. I’m not Muslim.

    But you don’t bitch and demand the other cultures change to fit your culture and values. That’s the difference.

    Instead, most of the muslim population thinks Denmark and France should change their culture and values and ban sketches from artists. Not just the “fundamentals”.

  15. dougman wrote, “Middle Eastern folk of Muslim faith, rather not integrate into anyone else’s society. They bring their own set of values, morals and religion and expect others to bend to their beliefs and values.”

    This is not about Islam but about folks’ resistance to change. I’ve moved around amongst many cultures and I was resistant to change. I’m not Muslim.

  16. oiaohm says:

    This shows the level of religion BS. There are 1050 commands in the new bible.

    The original that the story of moses is in
    http://therefinersfire.org/original_commandments1.htm
    Yes 613 commandments were given original texts. We can be fairly sure Moses was given more than 100 because there is more than 100 each in Exodus and Deuteronomy that covers Moses story. Yes Exodus and Deuteronomy don’t 100 percent agree on the details so the commandments in Exodus and Deuteronomy don’t match up even that they are meant to be telling the same story.

    Due to the school I went to we had mandated different religion instruction every week. We noticed fairly quickly that the different Christian Ministers were giving us different 10 commandments.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

    This is explained here. Yes there are about 12-3 Commandments not 10 that make up the core of Christian yet they are only a subset of what was given to Moses. At this point this came extremely tricky for Christian Ministers coming to my school because we did not believe in the 10 Commandments instead we believed in the commandments of Exodus and Deuteronomy and were wanting to debate where they conflicted most of the time there was means to resolve the conflict so you could live following both.

    What is the 10 Commandments tell you is how religion leaders can by taking abstracts from a religion can change focus of a followed of a religion.

    Does it sound as good when you say these are the first 10 commandments and there are another 99+ to go.

    The two tablets bit are backed up by both half of the story. But fully written out stone tablets holds way more than 10 commandments.

    There are quite a few commandments to follow to obey the full Christian bible.

    The scary part is the Crusaders section of Christian did not obey you should not kill and don’t include it in their 10 commandments. People forgot how many wars the Pope through out history has funded.

    All religion can be abused. Question is Islam a religion that is being abused by its leaders to have their followed do things are anti-islam.

    This is why it so hard to say a religion is bad. Good Religion text +Bad leadership is bad. Religion text by design could be bad like if requires human life sacrifices. What one is Islam.

  17. ram says:

    The bigots in Australia continue to abuse the original native inhabitants:

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/indigenous-australians

    and continue to bomb Muslim countries (and then complain about the refugees!).

    Personally, I find the “Christians” in Australia much scarier than the Muslims, although I am certainly not a fan of any organized religion. They all have a long history of hatred, cruelty, and bloodshed.

  18. dougman says:

    The problem is, Middle Eastern folk of Muslim faith, rather not integrate into anyone else’s society. They bring their own set of values, morals and religion and expect others to bend to their beliefs and values.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2979445/Mayor-NYC-public-schools-close-2-Muslim-holidays.html

    Sorry, but when you immigrate to another land, it is totally unreasonable to expect such to change for a minority few.

    Then, you have the BS about the clock.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDXWtq_B3s

  19. DrLoser says:

    Wow! Post an item about an idiot rich bigot who is running for President and running his mouth off and all the religious wacko bigots come crawling out from under their rocks………

    Which ones would those be?
    I’m a little staggered by this outrageous claim. Any poster in particular?

  20. lpbbear says:

    Wow! Post an item about an idiot rich bigot who is running for President and running his mouth off and all the religious wacko bigots come crawling out from under their rocks………

  21. kurkosdr wrote, “The level of fanatism seen among the Muslim population is unmatched by any other religion.”

    That’s utter nonsense. Read history. Even atheists can be fanatical about it. KKK thought it was Christian to lynch negroes. Jews thought it was OK to “kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out’. So did Catholics at one time or another. Then there was Japan’s war for the emperor… Read history. In my own country it was thought OK to exclude Jews from certain neighbourhoods and boatloads of Jews were returned to Europe for extermination. Then aborigines were denied the vote and kept on reservations (precursor to apartheid). All of this is about “we” are better than “they” which is utter nonsense taken to any extreme.

  22. kurkosdr says:

    urkey is a Muslim country with a representative democracy.

    …where YouTube is frequently blocked for containing material that “offends” local historical figures and Allah.

    . Ask yourself whether or not Christians think all laws should be modelled after the Ten Commandments.

    Even if they do, they don’t make a huge noise about it. The level of fanatism seen among the Muslim population is unmatched by any other religion. Hint: It’s because their book says: “Fanatism and forced prosetylism… it be good”. And for that reason, I think Muslims do not blend-in in democratic nations.

  23. DrLoser says:

    I’m fairly sure that Trump is a reliable chap when it comes to the Jewish Question, Robert.

    I’m not entirely convinced that you are.

  24. kurkosdr wrote, “I admit I don’t like muslims, because they think laws should not be modelled after the will of the democratically elected majority, but instead they think all laws should be modelled after sharia law.”

    Give your head a shake. Turkey is a Muslim country with a representative democracy. Ask yourself whether or not Christians think all laws should be modelled after the Ten Commandments. That’s no different. Muslims did not choose to live in USA/Canada because they wanted to live under sharia law.

  25. kurkosdr says:

    mp also holds that being born in USA should not convey citizenship…

    But it should not. Of course, Liberaltards who can’t grasp the idea of a nation think it should.

    some nutcase started prattling about Muslims being a problem and that POTUS was a Muslim. He even suggested getting rid of Muslims. In the face of this “question” Trump responded that he would look into this…

    They could enact a policy to never give citizenship to muslims coming to the country, like Japan has been doing for decades (and they are considered a civilized nation). And forbid them to wear their precious scarf in schools and in ID photos as a deterent. And yes I admit I don’t like muslims, because they think laws should not be modelled after the will of the democratically elected majority, but instead they think all laws should be modelled after sharia law. The request from the majority of the muslim community (not just the fundamental ones) to ban those sketches from a Danish artist some years ago from circulation in Denmark was a major red flag. You see, laws modeled after the will of the democratically elected majority call for allowing the sketches. Laws modelled after Sharia law call for banning them. Guess which side the loyalties of the muslim community lie, even those living in western countries.

  26. YY wrote, “It’s clear the free Western Culture can’t coexist with islam, as is proven not only in the past decade but for 1400 years of war, dictatorship, genocide and general intolerance and anxiety within every muslim society.”

    That’s utter nonsense. In Iraq, Syria, and Jordan Christians were living in very peaceful conditions with the larger Muslim communities around them until ISIL reared it’s ugly head. Many Muslims do not consider ISIL as a Muslim organization at all, just vandals, serial murderers, rapists, and torturers. ISIL has killed far more Muslims than Christians or Kurds simply because they have contact with many more Muslims. They will kill anyone en masse simply because they don’t fall into line or to set an example for the survivors of massacre. They are terrorists not faithful worshippers. There are millions of Muslims living in North America but only a few hundred have any sympathy with ISIL and only a few dozen do anything for ISIL.

  27. oiaohm says:

    http://www.diffen.com/difference/Buddhism_vs_Christianity

    YY Christianity is not angelic. History has Protestant denominations, Catholic & Orthodox sections of Christianity fighting themselves for power and differences is religion beliefs.

    Buddhism due to allowing person to prac more than 1 religion. Most of the fights between Buddhists have nothing to-do with Buddhism but the sub religion.

    Hindus has Thuggees that is the cult of assassination.

    Pure Buddhists,Baha, Sikhs and Shintos.

    Mind you Shinto is a form of Atheist.
    Some of the greatest mass murders are Atheists just not Shintos.
    Confucians have had major disputes with Buddhists and Baha when they have faced Buddhist or baha rulers..

    All other religions you need to prune out different sections. Mind you one way to prune the religion is mandate everyone does Buddhist studies. Yes you can be a Buddhist and a Shinto by believing Buddha was just a great teacher.

    YY please do more homework on religion before commenting again. Religion is one of the most common causes of wars. Without filtering out the extream elements of religions we will not get along. At different times different religions have be dominated by extremist groups.

  28. YY wrote a bunch of nonsense. There are BILLIONS of Muslims in the world and only a few thousand are problematic. Islam is a very peaceful religion. Because a few nutcases want the world to return to ~biblical mores and are willing to kill to do that is no reason to paint all Muslims with that brush. If you want to list Christian nutcases you would have a much longer list.

    Read your Old Testament and check out references to God wanting Jews to kill every man, woman and child in towns the Jews encountered on their way to the promised land for the mindset of the nutcases. Such views are problematic in any religion, not just Islam. The Isil nutcases are not any different from the nutcases who wanted to exterminate Jews, Croatians, the other tribe, or the folks in the other valley all through history. That kind of thinking has almost nothing to do with religion. At one time the pope issued a death sentence for every resident of the Netherlands because they wouldn’t kiss the ring… Others fled Europe for America to escape religious persecution. This is not about religion but abuse of power and old men leading young folks astray. It’s an old story. Trump is yet again an old man leading folks astray in order to achieve power. I think he will fail but his getting this close shows how thin is the veneer of civilization.

  29. YY says:

    And I’m sorry, but I read this post that says it all:

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim 
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims 
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim 
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim 
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims 
    The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims 
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims 
    The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims 
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims 
    The Pan-Am flight#93 Bombers were Muslims 
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims 
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims 
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims 
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims 
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims 
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims 
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims 
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims 
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims 
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims 
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims 
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims 
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims 
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims’

    Think of it: 

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

    **********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
    They’re not happy in Gaza 
    They’re not happy in Egypt
    They’re not happy in Libya
    They’re not happy in Morocco
    They’re not happy in Iran
    They’re not happy in Iraq
    They’re not happy in Yemen
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan
    They’re not happy in Pakistan
    They’re not happy in Syria
    They’re not happy in Lebanon
    They’re not happy in Nigeria
    They’re not happy in Kenya
    They’re not happy in Sudan

    ******** So, where are they happy? **********
    They’re happy in Australia
    They’re happy in England
    They’re happy in Belgium
    They’re happy in France
    They’re happy in Italy
    They’re happy in Germany
    They’re happy in Sweden
    They’re happy in the USA & Canada
    They’re happy in Norway & India
    They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves… THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered
    !!!! 

    Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!

    When will we accept the facts: ISLAM = TERROR ORGANIZATION

  30. YY says:

    Well Robert, I have to agree and disagree with you. Although this is a highly controversial discussion, I’ll not walk away from it.

    In Canada, in the USA, Europa, Australia and in fact, the whole world – even in muslim countries – this issue is NOT about religion per se but more fundamental. This is about our way of life, about the very existence of our society as we know it, about freedom, about (accepting) the rule of impartial and independent of law and about the future of our children. We all know that integration of muslims in Western countries has largely failed. And by failing I mean truly and honestly accepting our way of life and the way we have equipped our society.

    There are Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus and many, many other religions who generally accept the predominance of the way we have institutionalized our society with our Trias Politicas, tolerance of other thinking, The only exception seems to be muslims who in their heart ALMOST ALL wants to introduce sharia and convert us to islam either by word or by sword! It’s in their thinking, they almost all acknowledge when asked, it’s in their religion, it’s in their book, it’s in their prayers and indeed, it’s in their everyday practice as we can see on a minute base on the daily news. Many have some magical thinking called religion but when this thinking does become so prominent and aggressive that normal and acceptable behaving and thinking is not possible anymore, the diagnose is (religious) Delusional Disorder and the treatment should be accordingly!

    We are not talking about innocent refugees. We are talking about a group of people so intolerant that they have robbed our privacy because now our government must spy on us because of our muslim terrorist neighbors. In Europe the right of free movement is now coming to an end. Large districts are a no go area for others like women without a burqa, gay people or even law enforcement. It is clear to us that the origin of this problem is islam. An ultra violent mental disorder and highly infectious among the weak and confused it acts like locusts. In their madness they build up a rage until after there is nothing left but a bloody desert they will swarm up to the neighboring paradise of freedom and happiness to prey on.

    It’s clear the free Western Culture can’t coexist with islam, as is proven not only in the past decade but for 1400 years of war, dictatorship, genocide and general intolerance and anxiety within every muslim society. Their desire is not to be with us, it is to prey on us, on our society and our way of life and we neither want them nor their delusions!

    Why do you think Saudi Arabia and those other despicable muslim dictatorship countries don’t accept any ‘refugee’? Because that is in their Grant Plan! To spread in our free World and islamize our society: again either by word or by sword. One has only to wait when they have gained the majority because we know that the word will not be used anymore!

    This has nothing to do with discrimination of race or religion or whatever. This has to do with the survival of our world, of the future of our children, of freedom!

    We have to stop them and we have to stop the Right Now! This is the most dangerous mental ill group of people the world has seen after Nazism and Communism!

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