M$ – Still Slinging FUD Against The Wall Of FLOSS

“Microsoft writes about the switch of the city of Pesaro from OpenOffice to Office 365. There are however many questions around the publication that should provide backing for the switch. Yet Microsoft uses that publication on it’s website for promotion goals.There are several facts that make the publication controversial. It mentions, for example, the sum of € 300.000 for migration and training costs and extra phone costs of € 85 a year without any data to back that. Sonia Motegiove, an Italian IT consultant, comments that an extensive training for 600 people would cost € 25.000 maximum.”
 
See OfficeBuzz: Microsoft uses controversial publication to promote Office 365
Chuckle. FUD never worked for M$. Why do they keep spreading it? Every time they get caught lying they destroy their own credibility amongst their loyal followers, if there are any left…

As if the world can’t do maths they keep trying to persuade the world that it costs more to use FLOSS, software produced cooperatively by the world, than to keep paying M$ $billions annually. It’s insulting to their customers to attempt to do that. They should boast about the performance of their software rather than trying to justify the price of it. Only people who don’t care about the price will keep paying for it. With “10” folks everywhere will figure they don’t need to pay for the OS. Why should the applications be any different?

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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38 Responses to M$ – Still Slinging FUD Against The Wall Of FLOSS

  1. Deaf Spy wrote, “What differentiates Google from Microsoft collaboration suits in cloud-computing, Pogson? Why would anyone choose Google before Microsoft as you suggest?”

    Well, Google uses GNU/Linux and M$ TOOS. As far as I know, Google should be more efficient and able to provide better price/performance. Further, M$ has a lot of lock-in. Any startup should prefer Google over M$ simply for that reason. There’s also Amazon and many other smaller players able to get some share of the business. With FLOSS all combinations are possible. With M$ you are stuck doing things their way which is often far from optimal. While M$ may be making good growth of its cloud for office suites, it’s still way back in the pack for all cloud services. Again, there’s efficiency in scale that M$ may have less.

  2. oiaohm says:

    http://www.infoworld.com/article/2901374/office-software/libreoffices-next-big-version-is-in-the-cloud.html This is not the only move.
    https://conference.kolab.org/kolab-summit/sessions/using-webodf-document-collaboration-kolab

    Deaf Spy by the time the EU moves against Google other markets are also moving against NSA interference blocking out both Microsoft and Google.

    If I was Google I would not be too worried. Google could choose to host Libreoffice online or Kolab without it undermining themselves too badly.

    Basically Google Docs and MS Office 365 are not the only ones in the online collaboration suits game. Some of the others allow you to use your own servers or choose you own hosting company.

    Percentage of the online collaboration suit game at the moment is host your own.

  3. Deaf Spy says:

    That’s just the tip of a huge iceberg that is cloud-computing for Wintel.
    What differentiates Google from Microsoft collaboration suits in cloud-computing, Pogson? Why would anyone choose Google before Microsoft as you suggest?

    Especially when the EC is lighting the torches and raising the pitchforks against Google. Just sit and watch. Google has no idea what is coming and they even refuse to acknowledge the danger, blinded by their successful bribing, ops, sorry, I mean lobbying. All signs tell that this will not work in the EU.

  4. ram says:

    Smear campaigns are one of the last desperate tactics of an organization in collapse. Kinda like the way some central private banks smear gold and silver.

  5. dougman says:

    With MicroSh1t, one is prone to malware and a host of nefarious problems. Use Office 365 is 3x the cost of Google Apps and requires an annual commitment; use at your own peril!

    Here is an example of why, one should never trust M$.

    https://www.humankode.com/security/how-a-bug-in-visual-studio-2015-exposed-my-source-code-on-github-and-cost-me-6500-in-a-few-hours

    Shipping software with a known bug, cost this dev money and M$ could care less!

  6. oiaohm wrote, “no matter what due to legal restrictions MS Office 365 and Google Apps cannot take all of the on-line office suite market.”

    That’s just the tip of a huge iceberg that is cloud-computing for Wintel. There are multiple good and sufficient reasons why organizations large and small should bar M$ and “partners” from the door.

  7. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy MS Office 365 and Google Apps have a upper limit on how big they can get. Different governments around the world have privacy laws/Information access laws that restrict who can have access and where data can be stored.

    There is a reason why Libreoffice on-line edition is being developed.

    So no matter what due to legal restrictions MS Office 365 and Google Apps cannot take all of the on-line office suite market.

  8. Deaf Spy says:

    a mess of other operators, i.e. competition
    Ehh, where is exactly that other operators, i.e. competition to Google Apps and MS Office 365?

    Btw, Google Apps have the upper hand of being to the market earlier. This advantage, however, is diminishing, and it is doing so quickly. Office 365 simply grows faster:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2014/04/30/office-365-gains-on-google-apps-as-microsoft-puts-priority-on-cloud/

  9. dougman says:

    “Boxed copies of Office are still available you know.”

    Stop…HOLD THE PRESS.

    So your answer would be, if someone stops paying for their M$ rental software and the files in question no longer work, your solution is to purchase a box license? Where is the logic in that?

    I just told you, the FILES NO LONGER WORK…so how would buying a license solve the problem?

    See, the culprit would be malware has corrupted your files, this is why I would tell idiots like yourself that the best way to defend your computer is to simply not open M$ Office documents shared with you over email. Even if you think you can trust the source, it’s not a good idea to save or open these files to because you could actually be infecting your computer with dangerous malware.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/04/06/tewksbury-police-pay-bitcoin-ransom-hackers/PkcE1GBTOfU52p31F9FM5L/story.html

    Better yet, just do away with all that nonsense and use Linux. 🙂

  10. Deaf Spy wrote, “what about the three-digit rate of growth of Office 365?”

    Well, there’s the three digit growth of Google’s cloud and a mess of other operators, i.e. competition, unlike the early days of Wintel. What will M$ do without all those exclusive contracts up and down the supply-chain? I think it will have to work for a living and fight to have a 1/N share of anything.

  11. kurkosdr says:

    I mentioned that years ago, that it’s a brilliant move, why have customers pay every three years when you can get them to pay once a year or once a month. But what happens to your files if you decide to stop paying the subscription?

    Boxed copies of Office are still available you know.

    What you said applies for Adobe though.

  12. dougman says:

    Yes, idiots using Win-Dohs 10….duh. What a privacy nightmare that is!

    https://youtu.be/GLiozMpqV80

    Oh, and Office 365 “rent-not-buy” consumer software??…Yes $9.99USD a month is really insignificant really, so of course M$ will see more growth. However, everyone using Office 365 is paying $100/year now which is just silly.

    I mentioned that years ago, that it’s a brilliant move, why have customers pay every three years when you can get them to pay once a year or once a month. But what happens to your files if you decide to stop paying the subscription? You can open them but you can’t edit them….LOL.

  13. Deaf Spy says:

    Good, Pogson, and what about the three-digit rate of growth of Office 365?

    I see two options:
    1. The whole world is full of idiots, and Pogson and Dougie alone see it better.
    2. The world is ok, but…

  14. dougman says:

    The MPAA/RIAA are thrilled by this; this is the same BS that they pulled in with Vista! Enjoy having M$ rile all through your files scanning and copying anything and everything you do.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22096399/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/microsoft-scales-back-vista-piracy-software/

    “A few days after Microsoft released a statement that Windows 10 will be taking the fight against software piracy to another level, the reports have alerted many torrent trackers. Many feared that the new OS may be capable of wiping torrents from their hard drives.”

    http://www.vcpost.com/articles/86848/20150828/torrent-trackers-ban-windows-10-due-privacy-issues.htm

  15. dougman says:

    I do say, it seems the EU is getting ready to fire up a new case that will involve fines. Forcing M$ to build an individual EU image, so as to abide by the ruling or be fined another $730M.

    “Recent reports of Windows 10 allegedly spying on users have been noted by the European Commission with the office of the Privacy Commissioner revealing that they are “paying close attention” on them claims.

    Within days of Windows 10 hitting users computers for free, reports emerged that Windows 10 was sending information on users back to Microsoft servers. It emerged that Windows 10, by default, sends huge amounts of data back to Microsoft”

    http://www.techienews.co.uk/9739910/windows-10-spying-on-users-eu-keeping-watchful-eyes-on-microsoft/

  16. dougman says:

    Having to uninstall forced updates, just so to maintain one’s privacy is asinine.

    “According to the report, Microsoft bypasses any edited instructions in the Hosts file and exchanges data with vortex-win.data.microsoft.com and settings-win.data.microsoft.com, possibly among others.

    So, what can you do to stop it? First, you can avoid installing these four updates altogether. ”

    https://bgr.com/2015/08/28/windows-10-features-spying-windows-7-8/

  17. dougman says:

    Well, it is clearly evident that KUKU enjoys M$ spying via Windows 10 and prefers the ‘instability’ and ‘inflation’ that comes with fiat money, enough said.

  18. kurkosdr says:

    or tax.

    I picked this one because it’s especially moronic. You do know that when you purchase from an e-shop that “accepts” buttcoin, you still pay a VAT.

    Also, how do you plan to pay an income and property tax? Convince the government to accept buttcoin? You still have to convert your precious buttcoins to dollars and pay taxes. At widly varying exchange rates.

  19. kurkosdr says:

    ” freedom from governments, banks”

    Northern Somalia malia doesn’t have a government. No monopoly of force whatsoever. Please go to your paradise, smartpants.

    Also, what’s your alternative to Banks? MatressBank? Unregulated buttcoins, Cosbycoins, CrustyTheClownCoins?

    Freedom!

  20. kurkosdr says:

    Bitcoin: A currency in which no one government, banks or groups thereof can regulate or tax.

    And a currency which has practically no purchasing power (without being converted to another exchange rate) and with an exchange rate that fluctuates so wildly, that makes it useless as a purchasing and saving currency.

    GNU/Linux: Computer code where no one nation, corporation or groups thereof can regulate and dominate.

    Which means it’s a poor code, fragmented, non backward compatible mess.

    governments, banks and corporate eyeballing is definitely unstable.

    Yes it is.

  21. Mac Taylor says:

    Lemme see;
    Bitcoin: A currency in which no one government, banks or groups thereof can regulate or tax.
    GNU/Linux: Computer code where no one nation, corporation or groups thereof can regulate and dominate.
    Yep – freedom from governments, banks and corporate eyeballing is definitely unstable.

  22. kurkosdr says:

    “. I honestly think that people enjoy being locked in the cage ”

    If it comes with the benefit of stability, YES. A loud yes. Because unlike freetards and neckbeards, most people have something to lose, and hence want stability.

    Guess if where the thing I just said applies to:
    a) Linux
    b) Buttcoin
    c) Both

  23. dougman says:

    LOL….. trolls always be hating on Linux and Bitcoin. I honestly think that people enjoy being locked in the cage and are afraid to venture out into the free markets.

  24. DrLoser says:

    The next few weeks in financial markets should be interesting.

    Far be it from me to take a position on a subject raised by an utter paranoid maniac, ram, but perhaps we might both consider the possibility of adopting the scientific measure on this one?
    I’ll allow you variance. Obviously, economics does not permit precision.
    But, given that, how many is the next few weeks?
    As a rough counter-proposition, I am going to claim that the world economy will be pretty much the same (give or take 2% either way) as it is now, on August 27th 2016.
    But of course you know different, don’t you?
    And Linux will save us all!

  25. DrLoser says:

    I sense you have a point to prove here, Kurks.
    Run with it!

  26. kurkosdr says:

    in Uruguay, GNU/Linux was ahead of “8.1” by 1.5 pp

    Let’s see:
    -Uruguay is a small country and not indicative of the world.
    -You ‘ve compared all the GNU/Linux distributions with a sub-version (8.1) of a version (8) of an OS (Windows). You still have NOT answered why you group all GNU/Linux distributions but not versions of Windows.
    -1.5pp? Totally not statistical noise, call dem presses!!

    That’s 3 completely BS points in 9 words, a BS/word ratio of 0.333…

    Personal record?

  27. kurkosdr says:

    dome = some

  28. kurkosdr says:

    And of course I mentioned electronics because the fact dome e-shops “accept” buttcoin (see below) is hailed as a victory and sign of mainstreamization of bitcoin. Yeah right…

    But as I said, please amuse me by explaining your alternatives to fiat currency.

  29. kurkosdr says:

    Also, gotta love how nuts who whine about “dem ebil fiat currency of the ebil gumberment” are priviledged first-worlders who BENEFIT from the exchange rate of their country’s fiat currency.

  30. kurkosdr says:

    This will not stop till the world recognizes the fiat currency printed up by certain organizations has no intrinsic value.

    Lol, gotta love the nuttism that usually comes with FOSSism.

    I will explain it to you in teenage terms: Taxes (property and income), electricity bills, gasoline/diesel/LPG, water bills etc are paid ONLY in dollars, euros, pounds and other fiat currency.

    In fact, most electronics are also paid only in fiat currency. Even if some e-shop “accepts” some looncurreny like buttcoin, the real price is in euros/dollars/pounds/etc, which means the buttcoin price fluctuates wildly according to how the exchange rate with the fiat currency changes, while the real price in fiat currency stays the same. So much about bitcoin being a currency people can save on. But please, explain your other alternatives to fiat currency (opens the anti-nonsense umbrella)

  31. oiaohm wrote, ” Upgraded to 10 to get away from harddrive disappear to windows 10 downloading itself.”

    Don’t worry. M$ will find a way to fill your hard drive so you will be inclined to buy a new PC and renew your certificate of enslavement.

    I think OEMs are really getting ticked off. They are “partners” with M$, right? Then why is M$ bypassing them in the installation of OS game? Maybe they’re not “partners” but competitors and OEMs should install their own OS. Hey! What about GNU/Linux? All kinds of ugly birds are coming home to roost.

  32. oiaohm says:

    I wounder how many Windows 7 updates have happened due to Windows 10 downloading itself repeatly in background like the editor in the Australian APC mag had happen. Yes it was in this months APC mag. Upgraded to 10 to get away from harddrive disappear to windows 10 downloading itself.

  33. oiaohm says:

    CMYK is Krita or other imagemagick/graphicmagick based tools(most of these never had a Windows port).

    First CMYK FOSS image editor appears on Linux 1996. Just everyone finds gimp and gives up. Wait 90+ percent of the FOSS CMYK programs never got ported to OS X or Windows.

    –A video editor that has a proper timeline–
    Blenders internal video editor and Cinelarra.org(that started 2003) wait Cinelarra never had a Windows or OS X port.

    –For example, LibreOffice’s Writer spell checker, for some languages, redlines tenses for not so uncommon verbs. Office of the 90s doesn’t do that.–
    MS office of the 90 in some languages does that as well. I liked having language set Australian and MS Office 95 calling colour wrong. Australia both spelling of color/colour are acceptable you might say. Officially color is wrong if you are strict Australian english.

    Commercial software you need to be more exact there have been commercial X11 servers. You think FOSS X11 servers have bugs. The commercial X11 servers are worse.

    –For OSes, audio that doesn’t have PulseAudio’s volume bug and lag issues–
    This include Linux solutions at times not all Linux systems use Pulseaudio.

    –Proper Bluray movie support–
    How much are you willing to pay. Its a sux eggs location. Linux blu-ray players are in the market(yes embedded players) Problem is 10000 dollars to by the license to the player they use(its a min 1000 units to a single entity that must be sold with hardware identical hardware). I would like sanely priced Linux Blu-ray support for individuals.

  34. Deaf Spy proudly proclaimed, “Ah, btw, Windows 10 is already on more than 75 million devices and now accounts for 7% of marketshare on desktop.”

    Yes, and a bunch of “7” and “8.*” machines went offline at the same time. M$’s share has not increased and shipments of PCs with “10” are really small… TOOS has actually lost share in the past year. */Linux has increased even with the decline of shipments of PCs. So, while you might argue that M$’s hold over users/addicts has increased, you can’t argue that M$’s market share has increased.

    We’ve just had the Ashley Madison scandal in the news. What will happen when “10”‘s penchant for phoning home delivers a bigger scandal? You know that disallowing of lawsuits that the EULA pushes? It doesn’t cover criminal legal proceedings. Russia, China, … How many countries will “10” and M$ be locked out from? That’s market share for you. Some folks struggle for 0.x% and M$ gives away hundreds of millions of users. M$ is not likely ever to be able to recover them because the monopoly is dead.

    Yesterday, in Uruguay, GNU/Linux was ahead of “8.1” by 1.5 pp and “10” had only 5.6% share despite being $0, apparently. In Malta, M$ has “10” with ~10% share but GNU/Linux still had 5% share. It’s not just geeks using GNU/Linux. Those are real users that M$ has lost or is losing.

    Further, I think that when there is a new release, users are tempted to “try it out” and they may be inflating those web stats by more clicking than usual. It will be interesting to see whether “10” can even reach ~20% utilization rates. Once users realize they have to pay M$ for the privilege of using their PCs they are much more likely to shop around and find GNU/Linux. Same with OEMs and retailers.

    Further, IDC forecasts a continuing decline in shipments of legacy PCs. “10” will not be M$’s salvation but it may prolong the cash-flow for a few more years. I think users will stampede to the exits when M$ demands payment.

  35. kurkosdr says:

    lag issues = latency issues

  36. kurkosdr says:

    I am always amused when freetards mention the “free upgrades forevar!” selling point.

    The fact their software still promises features that commercial software had since the 90s doesn’t bother them.

    For example, LibreOffice’s Writer spell checker, for some languages, redlines tenses for not so uncommon verbs. Office of the 90s doesn’t do that.

    CMYK in GIMP

    Impress not messing up allignment when you save, because you are one invisible half-pixell off

    A video editor that has a proper timeline (aka not an avidemux clusterf.ck of interface) and doesn’t crash right and left (OpenShot 2.0 is coming… is coming)

    Proper Bluray movie support

    For OSes, audio that doesn’t have PulseAudio’s volume bug and lag issues (my old SoundBlaster never had those problems under Windows 95).

    The damn Xorg bugs…

    Everyone who purchased (pirated) ONE version of commercial software the last 10 years has all those features FOSSies are still waiting for.

  37. ram says:

    Government procurement officials live for bribes. A certain “software” company offers them in abundance. This will not stop till the world recognizes the fiat currency printed up by certain organizations has no intrinsic value. The next few weeks in financial markets should be interesting 😉

  38. Deaf Spy says:

    As if the world can’t do maths
    Looking at the three-digit rate of growth of Office 365, the world obviously can’t.

    Ah, btw, Windows 10 is already on more than 75 million devices and now accounts for 7% of marketshare on desktop.
    http://www.computerworld.com/article/2975045/microsoft-windows/windows-10s-usage-share-closes-in-on-os-xs.html

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