One Definition Of Lock-in: Running “2003” So Many Years Later

“Further analysis of the low-level TCP/IP characteristics reveals a total of 609,000 web-facing computers running Windows Server 2003. This is over 10% of all web-facing computers, and shows the true potential cost of migration, as software licensing is typically charged on a per-machine rather than per-IP address basis.

China and the United States account for 55% of the world’s Windows Server 2003 computers (169,000 in China and 166,000 in the US), yet only 43% of all other web facing computers.”
 
See Millions still running the risk with Windows Server 2003
Why do they do it? Run “2003” in 2015! It’s not cost, because Debian GNU/Linux would cost $0. It’s lock-in whether by habit or by application. Lots of folks have invested heavily in applications that still work so they are willing to risk everything, perhaps by adding other layers of security. Why?

In five years, they’ve had plenty of opportunity to plan migration. I think a lot of them just want a box that runs and don’t consider other alternatives. I’d recommend Debian GNU/Linux if/when they get hacked and are forced to move on. It’s simple, efficient and very popular on the web without such compromises. Debian supplies updates and upgrades for the cost of a download. Heck! They could even make a small donation to Debian in lieu of licensing That Other OS.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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21 Responses to One Definition Of Lock-in: Running “2003” So Many Years Later

  1. dougman says:

    KUKU, just go back to sleep, your drivel is of no consequence.

    A tabbed interface allows users to simply tab through different folders instead of having multiple folders open that clutter the desktop, but dinosaurs like KUKU he rather do things the hard way.

  2. kurkosdr says:

    Tabs in a file browser, along with a split-pane feature comes in really handy.

    In the hipster world, “handy” and “utility” are not a consideration dougman. It’s all about showing your fugly abomination to your post-modernist friends and receiving congratulations while you all pretend to be the elites of artists. And you ask for tabs in the file browser?

  3. dougman wrote, “M$ faces accusations of not only failing to listen to the feedback it asks for, but deleting from the Feedback app and forums any suggestions it does not like.”

    This isn’t a new phenomenon. In the ’90s, M$ dictated to everyone and because it had a strong monopoly, that didn’t hurt sales, but now chickens are coming home to roost. Consumers, governments, businesses, schools, and youths are all moving ahead at warp speed out of the Dark Ages of IT onwards into the light of Freedom. NPD reports that Chromebooks are now selling well to businesses in USA, for Pity’s sake. If that trend spreads to the world, M$ will shrink greatly. No matter how hard they work, margins will shrink as unit-sales shrink. If they raise prices much, the situation will only get worse for them. Competition has returned to IT and it matters.

  4. dougman says:

    Tabs in a file browser, along with a split-pane feature comes in really handy. Obviously, you do not understand UI’s ,which conveys your ignorance of of the subject and invalidates your feeble response.

  5. kurkosdr says:

    Who requsted tabs in explorer anyway? The design vision of Microsoft as of lately is basically a weird mix of AOL for kids and “the line drawing character set of DOS plus 16-color icons”. And they request for frickin’ tabs? They should be glad they still have the right-click menu and that some hipster of Redmond didn’t “modernise” it by replacing it with some silly gesture while getting his Belfiore-lookalike fag haircut.

  6. dougman says:

    “M$ faces accusations of not only failing to listen to the feedback it asks for, but deleting from the Feedback app and forums any suggestions it does not like. Highlighted for particular attention are suggestions about tabs in File Explorer, and requests to remove email addresses from Windows 10’s lock screen.”

    http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/microsoft-stands-accused-of-deleting-windows-10-insider-feedback-it-doesnt-like/

  7. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1
    DrLoser basically read up a little.
    First holes in 2g appears in 2003 and progressively gets worse until 2009 when its finally completely breakable.

    3g uses a new encryption called KASUMI that has not been broken yet right??. Bad news here 2010 flaw was found in KASUMI as well. So where is new mobile phone encryption we will be need that soon.

    Problem here both of these issues does not matter what you handset is when the base protocol is bust.

    Ok how could this get worse.
    https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/eme-your-mobile-and-your-health-factsheet.pdf
    Yep we don’t have the data to say if using a mobile phone with transmitter next to head is even safe.

    Yes mobile phones in current configuration could turn into the next cigarettes.

    Interesting right if you are just worried about your phone behind hacked you are missing all the levels issues. Consumers are presuming with phones what they are buying is safe. World Health Organization recommends limiting exposure now out to any store selling mobile phones guess how many will inform you of that.

  8. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser
    –Basically Fifi nobody ever, not ever, not once, does this.–
    Not true. Android and Debian userspace side by side split by chroot has been done. The change is this will not have to be custom build solution.
    So Moron here as well DrLoser. Lets clam stuff without facts. Notice Robert did mention the case of debian running inside Android. The reverse as been done.

    –Moron not remotely in touch with the real world of people who buy mobile phones and expect them to protect the user from Naughty Types.–
    If you are applying this to me you are wrong.

    I understand the reality. People blindly presume mobile phones are safe. Like 2G encryption was cracked 4 years ago. I mean fully cracked yet it stayed in usage globally. Carriers have not been protecting us from the Naughty Types. We have real world people with major-ally miss placed trust that is not based on facts.

    In fact my first link to debian mobile in fact include information about hibrid running Android and Debian. So your claim shows you did not even read the link I provided.

    DrLoser basically when you decide to grow out of being a moron and do some research before posting garbage bother posting again.

  9. DrLoser says:

    Basically kurkosdr swap out Android for Mobile Debian and keep applications you were using is becoming possible.

    Basically Fifi nobody ever, not ever, not once, does this.
    Moron not research, not listen to Kurkos. Moron not remotely in touch with the real world of people who buy mobile phones and expect them to protect the user from Naughty Types.
    Do I have the “I can’t be bothered to prove my case, so I will just resort to calling my opponent a moron” meme down pat here, Fifi?

  10. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr
    –Lololol… FOSStard-ness at it’s finest: Cheer and cheer about Android/Linux, then recommend to anyone running Android 4.1-4.3 they should install Debian Mobile.–
    We have referred as Android as a stepping stone as it would increase the volume of Linux compatible hardware.

    If people hate Androids lack of ability to deploy core updates Migrating to something else should be considered.

    http://www.shashlik.io/what-is/
    Interesting right that stock Linux is getting the means to run android packages.

    Basically kurkosdr swap out Android for Mobile Debian and keep applications you were using is becoming possible.

    –Which shipped with an entirely different OS?–
    This is not true. Debian Mobile will use Android Kernels and Android video drivers by libhybrid. Debian Mobile is in fact a Android relative that has not had user-space compatibility with Android. Key words has not. That bit is changing.

    You have been way to fast to play the FOSStard-ness card. Mobile Debian is a valid long term solution to Android issues. Of course I would not say its ready right now.

    Even Microsoft has come aware the there is no choice but to be Android compatible in phones.

  11. kurkosdr says:

    Lololol… FOSStard-ness at it’s finest: Cheer and cheer about Android/Linux, then recommend to anyone running Android 4.1-4.3 they should install Debian Mobile.

  12. kurkosdr wrote, “On a… phone? Which shipped with an entirely different OS?”

    There’s an app for that, “Debian noroot“. Of course, rooting is more interesting.

  13. oiaohm says:

    https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/
    kurkosdr welcome to the strange world of Debian.
    –On a… phone? Which shipped with an entirely different OS? Oh dear…–
    Basically this statement equals moron who fails to understand how broad Debian targets are.

  14. kurkosdr says:

    “Of course they should install Debian GNU/Linux and be free of problems.”

    On a… phone? Which shipped with an entirely different OS? Oh dear…

  15. kurkosdr wrote, “What do you recommend to the users running those versions of Android on their relatively recent phones and want to surf the net in order to secure themselves?”

    Of course they should install Debian GNU/Linux and be free of problems. In GNU/Linux, they can install Android one of several ways with the latest fixes. This is yet another reason why GNU/Linux is the right way to do IT.

  16. dougman wrote, “Oh, you want headlights…that will be an extra $1000 for the option!””

    The first, and last, pickup truck I bought came with standard options except manual transmission, for me and power steering, for The Little Woman. It was a pretty sturdy truck but I was charged extra for both options. I figured that was OK because I valued both options. CALs, OTOH? Permission to use the network and nodes that I own? GPL and other FLOSS licences are clearly the better choice with no infinite sum of licensing fees and absolute freedom to use your own hardware and FLOSS to maximum benefit.

  17. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr of course you don’t do research. 1 French carrier responded the correct way to stagefright bug and they did the following.
    1) all effected android by –International Mobile Station Equipment Identity– blocked from MMS and Internet until brought to store.
    Second half.
    2) At store client given a new phone or adb patched.

    So its the only network where stagefright attack cannot work.

    Now could this Windows 2003 problem be handled the same way. Yes it could.

    I always like how Carriers hide behind safe harbor rules when it comes to there network transferring illegal content. Yet when it comes to making sure that all items coming to harbor are sea worthy/road worthy/maintained they are asleep at wheel.
    https://garage.godaddy.com/tech/process/how-to-apply-critical-windows-server-2003-patches-and-updates/
    Interesting right. Users don’t want to let go of dead. So users who like an Android 1.0 phone will stick to a Android 1.0 phone until carriers don’t support it is the reality. Windows 2003 server users are just as bad as those people still walking around using Android 1.0.

    https://au.godaddy.com/help/migrating-windows-classic-accounts-frontpage-and-access-end-of-support-16287
    Godaddy for instance is getting rid of all their 2003 so obeying safe harbour rules. Again this is only a very limited number of carriers doing the right thing.

    Only way to get on top of these issues is all the rules of safe harbor get enforced.

    Sorry kurkosdr you might as well stop on this Android topic their was a cross reference between the two. Stagefright bug and 2003 still on the INTERNET are both failures of carriers todo the right thing. Yes force is required to pry defective software out of users hands.

    Usage of broken versions of OSs will continue as long as Carriers allow it.

  18. dougman says:

    KUKU, suffering ADD and going off on many tangents, cannot focus on the topic of discussion, namely the lock-in that is mandated by M$ and its software stack.

    Instead he trips over discussions about Android, needing fictional Linux server support and being a jerk.

    One thing is sure, Win-Dohs IT Idiots DO indeed PAY for support, as Win-Doh’s IT Idiots are just point-click trained GUI monkeys and cannot change the proprietary OS themselves. They must pray and wait for M$ to come to the rescue and fix it with multiple patches and hotfixes.

  19. dougman says:

    Win-Dohs Server 2003!? Egads…what a rip.

    Lets see:

    The Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition costs $3,999, plus the cost of 25 client access licenses (CAL) ~$25, that’s about $4600 up front…not even including hardware.

    Who needs the extra cost of Win-Dohs, when you can just use Linux, and not have to pay $$$$ for software licenses. Let alone dealing with a shady outfit like M$ that dictates what you can or cannot do on your own hardware.

    Analogy: “Sorry, you can only go 30MPH. If you want to go faster or want a larger fuel tank, you need to fork out more money. Oh, you want headlights…that will be an extra $1000 for the option!”

    Meanwhile, Joe down the street can virtualize all he wants on his Linux server. Joe is smart, Joe is frugal and saves money for other necessities instead of paying homage to Microsoft.

  20. kurkosdr says:

    and hope nothing bad that would exploit the vulnerability = and hope nothing bad that would exploit the vulnerability happens

  21. kurkosdr says:

    Let’s not forget that users running “Server 2003” had years and years to plan for the upgrade. Also, unless you are running Linux on a small personal server, you ‘ll probably need to “buy support” (from a company like RedHat, Oracle or Canonical) so linux won’t cost you 0$. It may (probably will) be smaller than the Windows Server license cost, maybe the switch to Linux is worth it depending on your use cases, but it won’t be 0$.

    BTW, let’s talk about the long-term-support of some other OS, like Android. What do you have to say to people who bought expensive 4.1-4.3 devices very recently (compared to people who bought Server 2003) and have the StageFright hole because Google has not patched Android versions before 5.0 and KitKat?

    What do you recommend to the users running those versions of Android on their relatively recent phones and want to surf the net in order to secure themselves?

    1) Do the unsupported, not-endorsed-by-the-manufacturer adb trick Ohioham recommends? (please do not say you seriously expect users to know about this trick and apply it)

    2) Buy a new phone for another cool several benjamins? (or 100 euro bills)

    3) That they should visit only “trustworthy sites” and hope nothing bad that would exploit the vulnerability, like XP users do?

    Pogson, what would you recommemd to a friend og yours with a relatively recent 4.1-4.3 phone that wants to use it for surfing?

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