TOOS, The OS For Masochistic Slaves

“the new Windows, due to be released next week, will have users click off on an EULA that pretty much gives Redmond carte blanche to update the system at will, which will include updating apps as well as Windows itself, with no real way to opt out — except for users of the Enterprise edition.”
 
See Yet Another Reason to Avoid Windows 10
Folks are correct. I don’t know much about recent releases from M$ but I know enough. Consider the EULA from Hell, for instance. That’s all you need to know that you are making your OS-provider your single point of failure. You’re even putting them in charge of built-in obsolescence, slowing down, security, breakage etc. Clicking on “Accept” or “I Agree” or whatever the button shows is opening Pandora’s Box and we all know how that turned out… What the criminal gang almost succeeded to do to the world they are now content to do to the subset of humanity who accept slavery in IT. In the old days, it was about controlling a single PC. Now M$ wants to control you by forcing upgrades which let in updates to everything, new “features”, even advertising on the hardware you own. Want your bandwidth gobbled up by ads? Want your PC to slow to a trickle by M$’s “Denial Of Service” attacks? Just buy a PC with That Other OS and watch it happen.

There is an escape though. Buy a PC with GNU/Linux and be Free to use your PC as you see fit. Like Android/Linux? It’s the same idea. Free/Libre Open Source Software is software you can run, examine, modify and distribute. What’s good for your smartphone is good for your other PCs. Run FLOSS on them. That’s the right way to do IT, not slavery to M$.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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47 Responses to TOOS, The OS For Masochistic Slaves

  1. ram says:

    Mmmm, I think everybody arguing on this thread perhaps should reexamine Intel’s and the ARM consortium’s whole history of hardware development. None of them are angels, but none of them have done most (or many) of the things attributed to them by “the mass media”.

    One should also note these hardware companies are, and have always been, vastly larger (in every financial sense), than any “software” or marketing company. Certain consumer “software/marketing” companies may have achieved a large customer “mind-share” in the past, but that really means “Jack (expletive deleted)” in the present.

    A few minor changes in hardware and certain big mind-share software/marketing companies are totally screwed. That is what is happening now 🙂

  2. kurkosdr wrote, “you have to provide information that supports the statement that Intel “ships way more bloat than necessary consuming silicon, bits” compared to ARM and MIPS64 vendors”.

    No, I don’t. kurkosdr needs to explain why ARMed CPUs work well with so much less silicon than Intel’s. kurkosdr needs to explain why makers of mobile devices choose ARM more often than not if Intel CPUs really are better. kurkosdr needs to explain why makers of legacy PCs are stuck on x86/AMD64 when ARM would have far better price/performance.

    An anecdote: I remember measuring power consumption of PCs in one lab – 100W+ per seat X 24, just to browse or type, combined with ~100W per teenage body was 4.8KW dissipated in a room with poor ventilation. Sweat would drip down my nose, even in winter at -40. kurkosdr needs to explain how that lab was in any way superior to one server running a couple hundred watts + 24 ARMed thin clients, cutting the total heating in half more or less. Yes, and running the lab on a few gB RAM instead of 24gB and a few gB of storage instead of 1TB. Wintel wastes resources. That cost the world at least twice the cost of resources, material, labour, and energy for decades. The CPU is just the tip of that iceberg. For instance, in that lab, XP took 2min. to boot. GNU/Linux, using the PCs as thin clients took 30s. What’s the cost of 24 energetic students wait, wait, please waiting 90s every class all day long for a decade of school years?

  3. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr you must have your head in the sand so deep its not funny.

    Simple question that has a horible answer kurkosdr.
    Why can I not put a New Intel CPU in a Old Motherboard of the same socket? It never use to.

    Remember instead of user upgrading their CPU they end up upgrading motherboard and cpu because of this.

    “ships way more bloat than necessary consuming silicon, bits”
    Yes this statement by Robert is right and wrong. Of course without answering the question I just mentioned there is no way you could know how it right and how it wrong.

    First generation microcode Cpu by intel were done while Microsoft was not single platform. The difference between those and current is a default Microcode in the CPU so if the Intel Management Engine did not have a firmware update for the CPU the CPU could still boot on a motherboard.

    Once Microsoft went single platform hello Intel Changed as well so now we have a case of too few silicon bits being used. Yet this also results in people replacing more chips so using more silicon than they would have as well if they could have just changed the CPU in the socket. Yes this has shortened computer chips operational life spans.

    This action also lines up with some Government stupidity.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/95282643/Backdoors-Embedded-in-DoD-Microchips-From-China

    Actel/Microsemi ProASIC3 prove a theory that came out when Microsoft stopped shipping in multi vendor and design cpus and government demanding this as wrong.

    The theory is simple if you don’t know how the chip was configured by microcode/init code you could not attack it.

    So intel shipping the x86 chips the way they are is a Mixture between Microsoft Actions, Government Actions and Intel greed to move more product.

    Yes remember when more than 1 vendor made chips that plugged into Intel made motherboards.

    “forcing early upgrades” that Robert points out is absolutely correct and this is because of how Intel does Microcode. Other vendors have been coping.

    Arm and Mips devices are also forcing early upgrades due to lack of modularity.

    Basically kurkosdr you worse since you are attempting to put head in sane.

    Robert who is picking out 2 party as the problem instead of 3 should be pulled up on this. Intel could not have done what they did without the support of Microsoft and Government reducing regulation. Guess who funded the major lobbyists to get this regulation relaxed. None other than Microsoft because Microsoft OS could not pass the rainbow books define of security. Of course the governments could have held their ground.

  4. kurkosdr says:

    Both ship way more bloat than necessary consuming silicon, bits, and forcing early upgrades.

    Excelleeeent (Mr Burns’ voice). Now you have to provide information that supports the statement that Intel “ships way more bloat than necessary consuming silicon, bits” compared to ARM and MIPS64 vendors, in order to support your statement.

    Can you?

  5. kurkosdr wrote, “who is responsible for the huge waste of resources of wintel that you mention? Intel, M$ or both?”

    Both:
    1) Overcharge considerably, wasting money that the world could invest in other technologies.
    2) Both ship way more bloat than necessary consuming silicon, bits, and forcing early upgrades. Again all that effort could be put to better use, curing cancer etc.
    3) Both forced monopoly by illegal means to cover themselves as legitimate businesses while being criminal gangs. Crime is a pure waste in society. Holding back hundreds of millions of slaves is a crime against humanity.

  6. oiaohm says:

    –Okay, but who is responsible for the huge waste of resources of wintel that you mention? Intel, M$ or both?–

    Simple answer Microsoft. Why platform restriction is why limited number CPU vendors were not more competitive with each other.

    You also have to say Governments for giving up on the ideas of requiring multi supply of the same product. Like x86 designs were licensed to more than 1 company to produce and maintain because there use to be a requirement that 3 different independent vendors had to be able to provide solution.

  7. kurkosdr says:

    Okay, but who is responsible for the huge waste of resources of wintel that you mention? Intel, M$ or both?

  8. oiaohm says:

    http://www.androidcentral.com/how-alter-dpi-your-nexus-7-bring-familiar-tablet-homescreen-ui

    Its been a trick on the nexus 7 to alter the dpi to make nexus change from phone interface to tablet or from tablet to phone.

  9. oiaohm says:

    –Uh, in GNU/Linux, I can change the screen resolution settings at will. In Android/Linux that can be done as well
    Tell me, Pogson, how exactly can you change your screen resolution on Android without rooting your phone? :-)–

    http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/change-your-androids-screen-resolution-without-root-access-0160439/

    Please note you don’t need a computer to perform adb commands after you are configured.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgutman.androidremotedebugger

    Yes the androidremotedebugger will work to the device it is installed on if the device has been configured to expose adb to network(yes this include 127.0.0.1). But over all it just simpler to root the device than do this.

    –Changing screen resolution will not help you when the whole UI is designed for a small factor screen. This is the whole point, and you keep missing it.–
    This statement is false this is the problem.

    Deaf Spy the default android loader contains more than 1 layout. The layout it uses based on dpi and screen res.

    https://www.odoo.com/ Try this then give up the idea that all ERP/CRM require large screens. Yes this is a web based ERP/CRM with optimization mode for mobile devices by installing app.

    https://www.odoo.com/blog/odoo-news-5/post/odoo-releases-a-new-crm-mobile-app-277 As I said install the app.

    Large screen with odoo as long as you can set the res right you use the webbrowser.

    Deaf Spy basically if it crap or good is based on what ERP/CRM you are talking about and how phone is configured.

  10. kurkosdr wrote, “Microsoft didn’t and doesn’t care if your CPU was or is Intel, PowerPC (yes they had a PowerPC port), ARM or whatever. They just wanted OEMs to pre-install Windows.”

    Without Intel’s support, there never would have been a Wintel monopoly. Intel was forced by M$ to stop OS-development many years ago, simply because if Intel wanted to sell CPUs they needed M$ to ship TOOS for those CPUs. In return, M$ dropped all other CPUs for many years. It was a conspiracy of thieves. Each got to drain the cash cow charging multiples of a reasonable price simply by supporting the other.
    “INTEL
     
    We read about it in the news today and over the last couple of weeks. If they decide to own the OS as well as the CPU our business it will get ugly. This could be an INTEL lead and funded coalition- say with Compaq and NSCP. I am convinced they have been thinking about this for some time. They could buy SUN SOFT or start a skunk work project on their own. If they decide to sell the OS for $1 and the CPU for $ 200 they will get the 0EMs on their side. The customer inertia argument remains and that will prevent them to build momentum easily. Our reaction could be to buy Nsemi or AMD or both and own the CPU and the SW business- while both stocks (INTEL and MSFT) are taking a dive. We would sell SW at $100 and CPUs at costs + $1.
     
    How sure are we of our partnership and how fast could we react if needed? We could bring compatibility to another platform better then anybody else and we would have the money to fund the fab capacity.”

    See Exhibit 365 in US DOJ v M$. You bet M$ cared about being Intel-only.

  11. kurkosdr says:

    The term, “Wintel”, means the monopoly M$ and Intel forced on the world, TOOS running on Intel CPUs at huge extra cost to the world.

    You sir, don’t have a clue. Microsoft didn’t and doesn’t care if your CPU was or is Intel, PowerPC (yes they had a PowerPC port), ARM or whatever. They just wanted OEMs to pre-install Windows. It’s just that Intel architecture is where the money was (because of partial compat with Windows 9x and DOS, smoother transition path etc).

    The high market share of intel architecture in personal computers started when x86 was chosen as the CPU of the IBM PC. Period. Whether the OS running atop it was CP/M or MS-DOS or GEOS didn’t bother Intel and AMD. Microsoft just happened to win the race and capitalize on the IBM PC and push out other OS makers. Period

    The “wintel” term was coined because of the dependence of Windows 9x and DOS to the x86 world. It was basically supposed to mean “With Windows 9x and DOS comes x86 but not vice versa”. It has no meaning whatsoever when applied to Windows NT, nor in Windows CE. Yet you keep quoting terms from the 90s intended for an OS line that has been discontinued, as if they still have a meaning in 2015.

    Oh and BTW, all of Windows Phone devices are ARM, while the only x86 smartphones are from the Android camp. So much for “wintel”.

    But to recap, when you said “wintel wastes huge resources for little or no benefit”, did you mean a)”windows” b)”intel or c)”both”? (please type a,b or c)

    The term, “Wintel”, means the monopoly M$ and Intel forced on the world, TOOS running on Intel CPUs at huge extra cost to the world.

    To put it in even simpler english (which you will hopefully understand, i give it a 50-50 chance), which part of “the monopoly” is responsible for wasting huge resources? M$, Intel or both?

    Just because M$ and Intel have formed a “monopoly”, it doesn’t mean both of them are responsible for the huge resource waste that alledegly comes from the monopoly. It could be either party, or both.

  12. kurkosdr wrote, “what he means by the term “Wintel””.

    The term, “Wintel”, means the monopoly M$ and Intel forced on the world, TOOS running on Intel CPUs at huge extra cost to the world. Because the world felt Wintel was necessary, for decades the world paid above market prices for software and hardware. M$ went as far as insisting no OEM should ship any other OS nor even any PC without OS. Intel went as far as paying OEMs not to use AMD CPUs. Of course, price/performance suffered without competition. That’s what Intel and M$ wanted, disgusting profit for the least effort. AMD did have one good opportunity when AMD64 came along but Intel crushed that, not with the Xeon but with bribes. GNU/Linux had several good opportunities when Vista came along and the world hated it and when XP died/was killed but mostly that was for people who could install their own OS, not the ordinary consumer, for lack of retail shelf-space. That’s all changing now. ARM is successful and so is GNU/Linux widely used. ARM is outselling Intel and Android/Linux is outselling TOOS. GNU/Linux keeps growing year after year.

  13. Deaf Spy says:

    Uh, in GNU/Linux, I can change the screen resolution settings at will. In Android/Linux that can be done as well
    Tell me, Pogson, how exactly can you change your screen resolution on Android without rooting your phone? 🙂

    Changing screen resolution will not help you when the whole UI is designed for a small factor screen. This is the whole point, and you keep missing it.

    Again. You have never, ever tried to fill in a 50-field web form from a CRM/ERP app running on a smartphone, linked to a large screen

    If you ever have, you’d have known that these CRM/ERP systems are not designed to be responsive and usable on a small screen. That is why you keep speaking of websites in general, mistaking a website with a web-based application.

    Admit it, Robert, you have no clue, and you speak imaginary things you wish are true.

  14. ram says:

    ARM and Intel AMD64 architectures are running neck and neck. Too close to call, at least when they are running Linux. The dark horses in the race are the various “Microcontrollers” which use even less power, are even cheaper, quite possibly smaller, and have far more computing power than desktop PC’s of just a few years ago. In any event, Microsoft is going to be severely pained by ARM and Intel computers costing less than $100, and wiped out if Microcontrollers (average price under $10) take over the “PC” market.

  15. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr waste of resources is not just about performance.

    –Intel CPUs have found use in Macs, Linux and Unix servers, and even Android devices (not too popular, but possible). —
    Arm64 is in servers.

    Performance/watt is not quite correct and that would cause some of the lack of understanding. Correct metrics is performance/watt/density(heat and physical size)/workload(single,threaded,clustering). Arm64 in server room normally put head to head with x86 atoms. Yet you see a lot comparing new arm64 chips against x86 Xeon. Reality Xeon are a different density class you can fit 16 arm64 chips to 1 Xeon chip space without cooling issues. Key thing here is low heat generation allowing very high density in the arm and atom chips. But even that Arm64 can allow high density of cores if the work load is not suitable for a multi core solution its not going to work.

    Density also applies to phone in pocket. Generate too much heat it cannot be in pocket. Density also becomes very important when you are talking thin laptops.

    Yes is very simple to be performance/watt focused. If you are performance/watt focused you could say that a shipping container based server is the most power effective computer a person could own for their home. Yet there is no way they can connect it up or fit it. Yes that example is the wrong density and workload for home usage.

    Wasting floor space is another factor.

  16. kurkosdr says:

    Obviously, you are too stupid to understand the meaning, in the context he has written about and you feebly attempt to troll and instigate a response.

    Obviously, you are too much of a dogbrain to understand that, when you use a portmanteau word like “Wintel”, and say that it has a characteristic trait (“wastes huge resources for little/no benefit”” in our case), then the characteristic trait MUST be true for both (Windows and Intel).

    Even if we assume that Windows does “waste huge resources for little or no benefit” without proof compared to the competition (whichever that is), Pogson still has to prove that Intel hardware does this thing too (see previous post) on a performance/watt measure on same-class hardware.

    Unless by “wintel” he meant “the Intel version of Windows”, and presumably Windows RT doesn’t “waste huge resources for little or no benefit”.

    Unless by “wintel” he just meant Windows (“TOOS”).

    Pog, come an enlighten us, we are literally hanging from your lips to clarify what you mean by “wintel”.

  17. dougman says:

    Obviously, you are too stupid to understand the meaning, in the context he has written about and you feebly attempt to troll and instigate a response.

  18. kurkosdr says:

    KUKU, are you seriously that lazy?
    M$ is dead!

    You are aware my post wasn’t about the dead-ness of MS or not, but asking Pog to clarify what he means by the term “Wintel”?

  19. dougman says:

    KUKU, are you seriously that lazy?

    Check this graphic out: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKe3FVlVEAA3-jU.png:large

    M$ is dead!

  20. kurkosdr says:

    Wintel wastes huge resources for little/no benefit. </em.

    For Zeus' sake Pog, the term "Wintel" was already very inaccurate back in the 90s and early 2000s, now anyone who says it might as well say "I don't have a clue what i am talking about".

    Intel CPUs have found use in Macs, Linux and Unix servers, and even Android devices (not too popular, but possible).

    When you say "Wintel wastes huge resources for little/no benefit" what exactly do you mean?

    -Windows when running on Intel wastes huge resources for little/no benefit?

    -Windows in general wastes huge resources for little/no benefit?

    -Windows and Intel products in general waste huge resources for little/no benefit?

    Marketdroids get lot of heat for using purposely vague terms, but boy, have you outdone them, to the point we don't know what are you talking about. Even if we assume the "*/Linux" term has a shred of (purposely vague) meaning in the technical sense, there is no meaning you can attribute to "Wintel" without embrassing yourself.

    Considering that, and because I really have no clue what do you mean by "Wintel", I have to ask “What does the term Wintel mean?”

    If you say “Windows in general”, you ‘ll embrass yourself, because the “tel” part of the term is useless and misleading.

    If you say “Windows when running on Intel”, you just admitted that Windows RT didn’t waste resources and hence was a good OS performance-wise

    If you say “Windows and Intel products in general”, you have to prove that ultra-low-power Intel products are beaten by every ultra-low-power ARM core, and MIPS64 cores, when it comes to performance/watt.

    So, I have to ask again, what do you mean by “Wintel”? (throws popcorn in microwave)

  21. dougman says:

    Nothing changes here…and neither does OLDman.

    For example, he manages a fake IT team and Redhat cluster with one hand and with the other hand composes symphonies on the latest version of Windows.

    Talk about a hypocrite!

  22. olderman wrote, “Still selling the same old bullshit Robert Pogson”.

    Yep. Long time, no see, olderman. It’s good to have your whit and incisive thoughts on this site [SARCASM].

    It’s not BS, olderman. GNU/Linux works for people. Wintel wastes huge resources for little/no benefit. Read Jack Wallen’s article about adoption or Jay Lacroix’s article about how Wintel abuses people.

  23. Deaf Spy prattled on with “linked to a large screen, and all your mobile interface is not adapted, but merely scale-stretched, presenting you with huge buttons and wasted space.”

    Uh, in GNU/Linux, I can change the screen resolution settings at will. In Android/Linux that can be done as well. So, what’s the point? Nothing at all. In my home we use screens as small as my ancient smartphone and as large as a home-theatre screen with no issues with GNU/Linux except a few menus with the wrong font. I’m just too lazy to find those settings. The apps work for me with the usual keyboard shortcuts. Screen size is not much of an issue. It hasn’t been since X was invented. In ancient times, one had to edit a file to make the settings. Today, it’s more automated or done from the GUI. Not a problem. At the same time that the Wintel monopoly is on its last legs, GNU/Linux and Android/Linux keep getting more available to consumers, easier to use by consumers and easier to install by consumers.

    Most consumers won’t install an OS but a few will try. I documented years ago that GNU/Linux was much easier to install than XP or “7”. Now Jack Wallen has found the same thing with “10”. M$ has so many issues beyond what the usual GNU/Linux distro deals with that a simple installation becomes a campaign to win hearts and minds forcing consumers to jump through many totally unnecessary hoops to do things M$’s way. M$ is a house of cards collapsing under its own weight as far as the client OS goes.

    The vast majority of consumers already use Android/Linux smartphones for just about everything. Many employers allow BYOD including Android/Linux smartphones and tablets. I’ve been out hunting with a guy who was on “stand by” and could deal with servers via his smartphone while out in the bush. A new generation is emerging who don’t even own a legacy “PC”. Wintel is not “personal” for them. Many websites have “mobile” versions to deal with any issue. Deaf Spy’s issue is a non-issue. A computer is a computer. We’ve had general-purpose stored-programme computers for ages. It’s the software that deals with any issues of size. I wonder where Deaf Spy has been living…

  24. oiaohm says:

    Basically the issue Deafspy is talking about with –merely scale-stretched– is that reported DPI when you mirror screen off a phone without secondscreen stays at the DPI of the phone screen. So it looks horible and does not change from phone to tablet/greater mode.

    So Google fixes this DPI reporting problem and Deafspy problem would disappear without having to root or otherwise modify android. It is a single bug.

  25. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy
    –You have never, ever tried to fill in a 50-field web form from a CRM/ERP app running on a smartphone, linked to a large screen, and all your mobile interface is not adapted, but merely scale-stretched, presenting you with huge buttons and wasted space.–
    Please stop crap. I have stated scale-stretched is not the only option.

    Chrome on android has Desktop mode trigger by editing a file that
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farmerbb.secondscreen.free&hl=en this program can do automatically.

    UI of android is change based on app selection called a Launcher.

    For a while using google play you could turn Android Windows XP.
    http://www.addictivetips.com/android/get-functional-windows-xp-experience-on-android-with-xp-mod-launcher/

    Deaf Spy is most likely so much of a idiot that he was not aware the complete interface of Android is chargeable by installing 1 application. And some of those launchers work perfectly on small and big screen.

    The good launchers alter interface based on reported DPI. So ==scale-stretched== crap does not happen.

    Yes a Android phone docking to a screen and providing a very decent experience without outscaling is good launcher combined with secondscreen.

    Yes default google launcher is the same executable for a tablet and a phone how it configures is based on res calculated against dpi. Yes size of screen reported alters what it does. Lots of Android launchers are like this.

    So the fact Deafspy has not used secondscreen so has no clue at all what android does correctly configured for docking.

  26. Deaf Spy says:

    Sure, I have posted on this blog from my ancient smartphone.

    Do not move the goalpost, Pogson. Let me refresh your mind:

    You have never, ever tried to fill in a 50-field web form from a CRM/ERP app running on a smartphone, linked to a large screen, and all your mobile interface is not adapted, but merely scale-stretched, presenting you with huge buttons and wasted space.

  27. olderman says:

    Still selling the same old bullshit Robert Pogson. Anyone who does not do it the Pogson way and help keep Robert Pogson in the free software that he feel he is entitled to is a slave.

    Nothing changes here…

  28. dougman says:

    Smartphones will be the new desktop and laptops computers. You walk in, drop your phone into an adaptor and away you go using a full screen and keyboard.

    http://www.wired.com/2015/02/smartphone-only-computer/

    More importantly, this “new” market won’t be controlled by M$, in fact their control is waning. You can only go so far with technology by changing the window frame and painting it every few years.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/11755177/Microsoft-announces-highest-net-loss-in-history.html

    Regarding Crapple, the best to date that the can come up with is a watch *rolls-eyes*, M$ sold more phones than their stupid watch!

    http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2015/07/22/microsofts-phone-outsells-apple-watch/

  29. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy if you have not guess roberts phone to get updates had to be rooted. So he can use option of install application to allow you to adjust resultion.

    Nice bit about the option when rooted is that it can remember the screens and the next time connected to it restore the prior settings.

  30. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy sorry not all android devices

    https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Should_I_root_my_device%3F
    –Pre-rooted devices… where you don’t have to do anything.–
    Interesting fact right. Devices are sold already with root enabled particularly in places like china.
    –(no normal user will root its device and go through all loops and hops)–
    You root it is either buy it rooted or go through the processes of rooting it. Yes and its install 1 application.

    –The point is: Robert has never done what he advocates.–
    Nop he mentions he seen others doing it.
    –In other words, he is a fraud.–
    So he is not a fraud.

    I just mentioned the methods business is using to pull it off.

    –I know many folks who daily do useful work with a smartphone.–
    The statement of Roberts I know many busneses who are using Web based ERP with android app with presentation mode to allow external screens to work correctly.

    Please note Android app to use presentation mode does not require you to root the android device.

    Deaf Spy so you are saying no user will install an Application for work on their phone so they can operate without a desktop computer and just dock a phone. Sorry somehow I don’t believe you. There are two ways businesses skin this cat.
    1 is root the device and mess around
    2 is add a application to the device.

    Most people are not aware that modern androids support 2 independent screen outputs at once. Just 1 screen cannot take direct input.

    Sorry the complete base of your attack was flawed. Deaf Spy someone sees something does not mean they know the method used. I have told you the 2 methods uses with Android to achieve it.

  31. Deaf Spy wrote, “Robert has never done what he advocates.”

    Sure, I have posted on this blog from my ancient smartphone. It wasn’t optimal but it worked just fine without monitor/keyboard/mouse. The old smartphone has only 512MB RAM so it’s not a good candidate. A modern device with 4gB and 8 processors is another animal entirely. Today, even an entry-level device can have 1.5gB and quad-core CPU. That’s plenty for using many web-applications.

  32. Deaf Spy says:

    Ohio, thank you for supporting the idea that smarphone is no replacement for a desktop (no normal user will root its device and go through all loops and hops), despite that you are completely missing the point.

    The point is: Robert has never done what he advocates.

    In other words, he is a fraud.

  33. oiaohm says:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farmerbb.secondscreen.free&hl=en

    Deaf Spy also those using stock android if they are willing to root it they can use this application to alter the DPI. Question what kind of Android do you think Robbert is running. So the upscaled to hell event is avoidable a few different ways.

    http://www.guidingtech.com/16169/desktop-mode-websites-chrome-android-permanently/

    Basically Android devices can do work on a 40 page ERP on a external screen quite well as long as 1 of the conditions are meet.

    1) ERP has an application that support presentation mode. Yes business trick not to have to root phones.
    2) You root it and use third party software to set what the external screen is and adjust correctly.

    Of course I would like to see the set external screen size as a default android feature. Rooted android with application to set screen dpi correct with keyboard and mouse UX operation wises is not that different to a Windows PC.

  34. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy depends on the software and hardware in the smart phone

    –You have never, ever tried to fill in a 50-field web form from a CRM/ERP app running on a smartphone, linked to a large screen, and all your mobile interface is not adapted, but merely scale-stretched, presenting you with huge buttons and wasted space. You speak of fantasy, and you have no proof, nor experience, to prove your light statements.–

    Yes I have and it works way better than you describe on some smartphone configurations. Of course some sux badly like you describe in others.

    I see you never tried all the different ones. Ubuntu phone on a nexus is great for this. Why the connected screen is not upscaled version.

    Next is does that ERP/Web app have a android application build for it with presentation support.

    http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Presentation.html
    Yes Android support second screen with different content. Yes using this your keyboard/mouse is the tablet/phone. This avoid the scaling problem you refer to.

    What Deaf Spy did is android stock without an Application to make HDMI output different to in-device screen output.

    Now I would like to see chrome browser or some other browser on android come out the box with presentation support.

    Android without app suxs. Ubuntu phone good at this out box. Android with matching application and hardware that support HDMI out being different to built in screen can also be very good at this.

    By the way Autocad 360 Mobile has presentation support. Yes it works a lot better when you do plug it into a larger screen and the phone basically comes a trackpad.

    Deaf Spy so the issue you described is half the OS and half the applications. Either half can fix it on Android.

  35. Deaf Spy says:

    I could hook it up to my smartphone with a USB thingy if I didn’t have Beast already here and plugged in.

    Exactly, Pogson. You could. But you do not.

    You have never, ever tried to fill in a 50-field web form from a CRM/ERP app running on a smartphone, linked to a large screen, and all your mobile interface is not adapted, but merely scale-stretched, presenting you with huge buttons and wasted space. You speak of fantasy, and you have no proof, nor experience, to prove your light statements.

    You are just a hypocrite, aren’t you?

  36. dougman says:

    Friday, September 26, 1997 Professional Developers Conference

    BIlly: “I wish I got a chance to write more code. I do mess around. They don’t let my code go in shipping products. They haven’t done that for about eight years now. “

  37. DrLoser says:

    Gates was the last manager who ever coded and he gave that up for monopoly.

    Nope.

  38. kurkosdr wrote, “windows, why do you have to suck so much?”

    That’s rather obvious. Since about 1980, M$ has invested far more in salesmen and monopoly rather than serious software developers. Gates was the last manager who ever coded and he gave that up for monopoly. I was just looking into a company in the IoT space. They are hiring a lot of developers and GNU/Linux and Android/Linux people rather than salesmen because they know, in a competitive world, you can’t sell a second-rate product. M$ skipped that part by going for monopoly and lock-in rather than quality. Lose ‘9x shipped with ~50K bugs and zero security. They copied a lot of their vulnerabilities to NT…

  39. Deaf Spy wrote, “Checking out stuff on the Internet is nothing else than listening to the radio. You do it in your leasure time.”

    People do serious work using web-applications. Lately, I’ve been managing my retirement funds via FireFox on GNU/Linux. I’m making similar earnings as I used when I worked full time as a teacher. There’s nothing I do with such web-applications that could not be done with a smartphone. I know many folks who daily do useful work with a smartphone. I know very few these days who can’t work unless they are near some monstrous PC. They do exist, of course. I love my Fujitsu ca 1995 keyboard. I could hook it up to my smartphone with a USB thingy if I didn’t have Beast already here and plugged in. Same goes for my monitor. A monitor, keyboard and mouse are not a computer, but peripherals. A smartphone is every bit as much a computer as an ATX box but a lot more efficient.

  40. oiaohm says:

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2473515,00.asp this plus
    https://www.autocad360.com/products/mobile/
    Means your autocad example could be very short lived Deaf Spy.

  41. Deaf Spy says:

    Current Wintel is not a god
    Except that it is when it comes to get the work done. Want proof? Here are your own words.

    clicks are rapidly switching to smart thingies according to web stats
    Checking out stuff on the Internet is nothing else than listening to the radio. You do it in your leasure time.

    Then comes the time you need to get some work done. And then you throw away your smart thingie, and site behind a good keyboard, with a mouse and a large display, and use software designed explicitly for a keyboard, a mouse and a large display. Like a (web or desktop) form with 50 fields in it. Or a engineering plan in AutoCAD. There, Wintel is God. A God that is going nowhere, not anytime soon.

    No wonder sales of tables are now going down, to be replaced by phablets. Smart thingies are their own niche. The niche of content consumption. A niche, where smart thingies will feed on old stuff like radios, and CD players, and cannibalize themselves.

  42. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr
    –Sometimes, I dream of a utopian society where unpatched Windows vulns are being exploited to install Chrome onto users’ computers and install the most critical KBs. Can you imagine that?–
    Sorry you don’t have to dream this. Some botnets in fact do exactly that. Why once they have rootkitted the OS they don’t want another botnet coming in and taking over the machine.

    Default browser changed without you doing it under Windows ask questions. Problem is things like this normal users don’t even notice.

    So yes some botnets disable windows update and some enable it. All depends on how undetectable the developer thinks they are.

    https://attack.mitre.org/wiki/Hypervisor_rootkit
    This is why running a in OS anti-virus alone can be pointless. The deep digging botnets will basically run windows is a virtual machine so windows and OS anti-virus can install as many updates as it likes and it will never see it. So it what class of infection decides if Windows Updates are worth anything or not.

    Boot from clean media from time to time and run a scan is good procedure.

  43. kurkosdr says:

    99 font vulnerabilities on the wall, 99 font vulnerabilities.
    Take one down, patch it around.
    98 font vulnerabilities on the wall…

    Sometimes, I dream of a utopian society where unpatched Windows vulns are being exploited to install Chrome onto users’ computers and install the most critical KBs. Can you imagine that?

    Oh windows, why do you have to suck so much?

  44. DeafSpy wrote, “Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi”.

    Current Wintel is not a god, just a technology superior to what came before, random stuff on 4-8-bit microprocessors. There’s a reason for “micro” in M$’s trade name. Modern smartphones have a wide range of capability. At the top end they are the superior of recent Wintel systems as recent as ~2005. Many of those Wintel systems still run and satisfy users, although they are on their last legs. Those systems used ~100W for the box and modern smartphones use ~1W. The chief limitation of modern smartphones is RAM which is soldered in usually and not more than ~2gB. That limits the number of simultaneous processes, not the throughput which is plenty for the vast majority of users. 8-cored processors, 2gB RAM, and powerful video on top of a very useful form-factor… What more could you want? Something immobile? Something more expensive? Something running TOOS? I don’t think so for most of humanity. The market speaks. For every Wintel system sold there are a bunch of smartphones sold and clicks are rapidly switching to smart thingies according to web stats.

  45. Deaf Spy says:

    What’s good for your smartphone is good for your other PCs.

    Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi.

  46. dougman wrote, “It’s 2015, and bad font files in webpages will still break your computer!”

    It’s TOOS that breaks, not the computer on which TOOS runs. I’ve saved lots of PCs from the trash simply by installing a proper OS, GNU/Linux. So much for the fans empty statements of quality control and such at M$. Worse still, I think, is that with “10” all suggestions of security go out the window with M$ pushing its own malware onto millions of PCs at will. It’s like Bill Cosby claiming consent…

  47. dougman says:

    LOL…It’s 2015, and bad font files in webpages will still break your computer! Here is one more example as to why one should not use Win-Dohs!

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/20/windows_microsoft_emergency_patch/

    https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/MS15-078

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