Closing More Windows

“July 8, 2015 — Microsoft Corp. today announced plans to restructure the company’s phone hardware business to better focus and align resources. Microsoft also announced the reduction of up to 7,800 positions, primarily in the phone business. As a result, the company will record an impairment charge of approximately $7.6 billion related to assets associated with the acquisition of the Nokia Devices and Services (NDS) business in addition to a restructuring charge of approximately $750 million to $850 million.”
 
See Microsoft Announces Restructuring of Phone Hardware Business
 
See also A Few Thoughts On Microsoft’s Massive Writedown
For most businesses, an $8billion loss would be an utter disaster, perhaps the end of the road… but M$ is not just a business. It’s a criminal gang bent on stifling competition any way it can. In this case it was “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” to control Nokia rather than letting Nokia go with */Linux. In the height of its power, M$ could accomplish any anticompetitive act with less than $1billion. This is just inflation brought on by their worsening situation.

The good news is that with each demonstration of failure the world is learning that M$ is not the One True Way to do IT. The world is adding more units based on Linux than M$’s entire installed base every year. The legacy PC units bearing That Other OS are piling up in the channels. On weekends, */Linux is more popular than “7”. Both “7” and “8.1” are losing share …

See Top 8 Operating Systems From 1 January To 4 July 2015 – StatCounter

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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51 Responses to Closing More Windows

  1. dougman says:

    Wanna see more closure of Windows? Wait till people discover they must pay for updates and having to pay to use Windows as a service!

    ““Revenue allocated is deferred and recognized on a straight-line basis over the estimated period the software upgrades are expected to be provided by estimated device life…The interesting part is Microsoft claims the money it loses from the free upgrades will be made up within three years. If there’s a free upgrade plus two years of free support (for all consumers) then the introduction of subscription based charging, suddenly fits together.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/10/free-windows-10-charges/

  2. Mats Hagglund says:

    “Apple does not rank as one of the top five worldwide vendors in Gartner’s data, which ranks Acer and ASUS above Apple, but in IDC’s data, Apple ranks higher than Acer/ASUS and is counted as the number four worldwide PC vendor. IDC’s data suggests that Apple’s worldwide PC marketshare climbed to 7.8 percent in 2Q15 with 5.14 million shipments, while Gartner’s data suggests Acer was the number five worldwide PC vendor with 4.5 million shipments. ”

    http://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/09/apple-us-mac-sales-drop-2q15/

    Apple has indeed managed to sell surprisingly well outside USA. It means that Windows PC is declining much faster than 9.5% during latest quarter. It’s under pressure of Linux/pirate Windows 7 and Mac.

  3. dougman says:

    Antifanboy – We Don’t Talk. We Argue.

    I would not waste your breath on someone with such an attitude from India.

  4. dougman says:

    I cannot wait for the day when M$ forces it’s pound of flesh, for use of its cloud OS. When that happens, droves of people will depart the Windows operating system.

  5. oiaohm says:

    There is no single core model any more in atom. The minefield line is no longer in production antifanboy. If a phone or a tablet that is new contains x86 is duel or quad.

  6. oiaohm says:

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/149149-intel-launches-clover-trail-atom-z2580-its-first-dual-corequad-threaded-smartphone-soc
    –I said single core x86 cpus and multiple core ARM ones.–

    antifanboy shut up now you cannot read. Atom Z2580 that are x86 and are found in phones are in fact duel core or better. There is no single core model.

    Reality that is not a difference at all. You have not had a single point correct antifanboy.

  7. antifanboy says:

    antifanboy no some phones have x86 cpus

    I said single core x86 cpus and multiple core ARM ones.

  8. ram says:

    Yeah, Robert, I think you hit the nail on the head there! 🙂

  9. Mats Hagglund wrote, “Game over Redmond!”

    The old game is definitely over, where M$ could dictate to the world. M$ plays a new game where they are sweet and helpful, trying to offend as few as possible with each move it makes. Inevitably, they offend millions, so they ask the remaining millions to pay more money in diverse ways. M$ is moving from extortion to con games. Apple found the con game worked for them so M$ wants to play. Meanwhile more of the world is using FLOSS and being free of both of those monsters.

  10. Mats Hagglund says:

    “Worldwide PC shipments totaled 68.4 million units in the second quarter of 2015, a 9.5% decline from the second quarter of 2014, according to preliminary results by Gartner. This was the steepest PC shipment decline since the third quarter of 2013. ”

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150710PR200.html

    ” They tried clearing that inventory with promotions, having to absorb this with lower margins. In the third quarter of 2015, vendors should see better “sell-in” into the channel with new Windows 10-based devices. ”

    Sure there will be some kind of “boost”. However it’s more likely that pc will never really recover – and surely not with Windows hype. Millions of especially young people have already abandoned not only Windows but pc too. Game over Redmond!

  11. Mats Hagglund says:

    Sorry, the name of Nokia CEO is Risto Siilasmaa.

  12. Mats Hagglund says:

    Former Nokia CEO Kalle Isokallio said last Friday on Finnish tv program than Finnish government organizations and cities/towns/counties should move to Linux and open source software and cut all ties to Windows ecosystem because it’s too expensive. He also mentioned that Risto Siilasvuo (CEO of Nokia) made one of the best deals when selling all crap of Nokia worth of nothing and get over 5 billion €. Everybody is laughing at Microsoft now.

  13. Deaf Spy says:

    The world has mostly moved on to clusters of AMD64 machines and, soon, ARMed machines.
    Actually, these “AMD64” are manufactured by Intel, not AMD. AMD lost the crown to Core so many years ago. AMD’s Bulldozer is no competitor to Intel Xeon.

    In the old days, if you had a big compute job or a lot of little ones, you used a mainframe. Today, there are few jobs that require that. … Are any of the top 500 super-computers mainframes?
    You seem to fail to grasp one very prominent feature of mainframes, Pogson.

    Google probably has the biggest compute job on the planet.
    No, it definitely doesn’t. Maintaining a huge cache is not exactly “compute” job.

  14. ram says:

    x86, AMD-64, ARM

    At the lower end of the computing power and electrical power consumption spectrum all these chips are “as cheap as chips”. Under $10 a piece in large (real OEM) quantities. Doesn’t leave alot of space for expensive software licenses!

  15. oiaohm says:

    antifanboy no some phones have x86 cpus.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2891256/microsoft-intel-team-on-lowcost-windows-10-phones.html
    Sorry again wrong with “phones have ARM cpus”. Even Microsoft has woken up that taking the point of view that phones is arm is incorrect. Phones are Arm, Mips and X86 with ARM being in number 1, MIPS number 2 and x86 number 3.

    Redhat supports arm64 and x86.

    The server market is x86 and arm with arm being a minority. Mips currently trying to re enter the sever market. Server market is x86 1, Arm 2, odd ball customs like power chips 3 and Mips basically no where.

    The desktop is a largely x86 with some Arm. No mips or power these days but this could change it that Mips developers don’t want into this market as well.

    21 inch all in one android devices that come with keyboard and mouse are intended for the desktop.

    CPU designers are like Intel they want their cpu design to go into as many products as possible to make their return. To CPU designer the market splits of server, desktop and phone is mostly annoyance.

    Please note arm64 instructions uses in server are identical to the instructions use in arm64 phones. Right down to since arm64 server is using EFI some arm64 android phones are using EFI because their was no point making two boot processes.

    The difference between something server. desktop and phone is mostly drivers and interface. In the case of x86 its interface only is their objective. Arm its drivers and interface. What is the big separation GPU chips that some arm phones have but all arm phones have GPUs different to what server Arm has.

    Currently standard mesa cannot be used with Android formal releases as it does not do GL ES 3.1 yet as Android officially requires(intel is working on changing this). Long term there is no valid reason for Android and Server Linux to have different GPU drivers. Why maintain extra set of drivers is extra developer costs.

    antifanboy the issue is splitting by OS is hard because Android is a desktop/tablet/phone OS. Splitting by Arch is also next to impossible because no CPU type is targeted at a single market.

  16. dougman says:

    Stating the obvious, but why say it twice?

    You seem to repeat yourself often, for example: “I said it once and I said it again” do you realize you are doing this?

    There is a principle that perhaps you should come to learn, don’t repeat yourself otherwise known as “DRY”, you can find it in a book titled “The Pragmatic Programmer”. It is a wee bit dated but should fit your need for someone in India.

    Eh.

  17. antifanboy says:

    let me rephrase that: I live in the United States, doucheman.

  18. antifanboy says:

    There are duel and quad core x86 chips for inside phones and tablets these days with higher speeds.

    Some tablets, yes, but phones have ARM cpus.

  19. antifanboy says:

    Slanderboy, just admit it, you live in India and have no clue what you are talking about.

    I live in the United States.

  20. oiaohm says:

    –Really? A single core CPU? I had a Pentium 4 PC from 2001 that has the same speed proc.–

    antifanboy that link was only the first x86 phone item. There are duel and quad core x86 chips for inside phones and tablets these days with higher speeds.

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/149149-intel-launches-clover-trail-atom-z2580-its-first-dual-corequad-threaded-smartphone-soc

    At clover trail atom Z2580 this was the first point that server room, desktop and phones could in fact contain the same x86 chip antifanboy. So this has been the case since 2013.

    –Really? A single core CPU? I had a Pentium 4 PC from 2001 that has the same speed proc.–
    It might be the same speed but the newer processor eats lot less power and generates almost zero heat. Almost zero heat generation becomes important in server rooms at times and phones.

    This is a case that you arguement was completely baseless antifanboy.

    x86 and cellphone are not separate categories they are overlapping categories.

    Its cost of production the more units in 1 run Intel can do the lower the setup costs. Todo more in a single production requires selling the chip into as many markets as possible. This is why x86 atoms for desktop, phone and server are the same chip. Its not in Intel best interest to make x86 on phones, desktop and server independent to each other.

  21. dougman says:

    Slanderboy, just admit it, you live in India and have no clue what you are talking about.

  22. antifanboy says:

    Oh, and I don’t live in India.

  23. antifanboy says:

    antifanboy you need to redo your checklist.

    Really? A single core CPU? I had a Pentium 4 PC from 2001 that has the same speed proc.

  24. kurkosdr says:

    Still waiting for Pogson to answer why he groups Android versions but not Windows…

  25. JD says:

    All that’s holding the mainframe together is the effort to change all the software that runs on them, lock-in, not necessity.

    My point exactly, apologies if the sarcasm wasn’t obvious. Winblows is going to be the same in 5 years. Young programmers are going to as “what is it” and questions will be posted on boards like programmers.stackexchange.com asking why no one uses it. And KuKu will probably be in a loony bin somewhere.

  26. JD wrote, “The point is that, since the need for Mainframes, and all the apps and use cases that come with them, are not going to vanish, IBM owns that space.”

    Who uses mainframes these days? A few big corporations? The world has mostly moved on to clusters of AMD64 machines and, soon, ARMed machines. In the old days, if you had a big compute job or a lot of little ones, you used a mainframe. Today, there are few jobs that require that. Google probably has the biggest compute job on the planet. Are any of the top 500 super-computers mainframes? All that’s holding the mainframe together is the effort to change all the software that runs on them, lock-in, not necessity.

  27. oiaohm says:

    antifanboy you need to redo your checklist.

    x86 CPU? NO CHECK!! This is a part check for Android not no check
    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/127347-going-xolo-x900-intels-first-x86-medfield-smartphone-reviewed
    X86 android phones have existed since 2012.
    GeForce GTX980 Ti? NO CHECK!!
    This is also a part check. x86 android will in fact fire up using open source drivers but sux badly. Need wayland class drivers from Nvidia to allow x86 Android to use Nvidia binary blobs.
    IBM compatible? NO CHECK!!
    This is also another part check. Because some x86 android phones turn out to be EFI same as your desktop/laptop PC just shaped as a phone/tablet. To be correct the chipset inside some of the x86 phones you can buy in a desktop/server/netbook motherboard configurations.

    The line between a desktop computer and a phone at times is very fuzzy. Biggest clue that it a phone/tabket with x86 is non upgradeable ram because it soldered on.

    So every one of those NO CHECKs is maybe. As time goes on these maybe devices are getting more common. So android x86 one day using latest Nvidia video card with Nvidia closed source drivers don’t be surprised.

  28. antifanboy says:

    Let’s see:

    computers? CHECK!
    personal computers? CHECK!
    correspondence? CHECK!
    browsing? CHECK!
    banking? CHECK!
    investing? CHECK!
    graphics? CHECK!
    multimedia? CHECK!

    x86 CPU? NO CHECK!!
    GeForce GTX980 Ti? NO CHECK!!
    IBM compatible? NO CHECK!!

  29. JD says:

    @kurkosdr

    Anyway, nobody here pretends that losing the office productivity race to M$ is a non-problem for IBM. The point is that, since the need for Mainframes, and all the apps and use cases that come with them, are not going to vanish, IBM owns that space.

    Sounds familiar? Watch the thread below in 5 years and you could probably replace Mainframes with Windows word for word
    http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/75486/38252

  30. dougman says:

    Lets see: 1.5M Android activations a day in 2013, so thats ~547.5M activations for that year. In 2014, we find that Android surpassed a billion shipments of devices in 2014, and will continue to grow at a double-digit pace in 2015, with a 26 percent increase year over year.

    http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/06/gartner-device-shipments-break-2-4b-units-in-2014-tablets-to-overtake-pc-sales-in-2015/

    M$ knows that Android will continue it’s rise, why else would they develop apps for Android? Now that Ballmer is out of the picture, It’s all about SERVICES, SERVICES, SERVICES, etc..

    Take for example this tidbit:

    Kevin Turner, Microsoft’s chief operating officer, said at a technology conference.

    http://www.microsoft.com/investor/Events/Presentations/2015/CreditSuisse-Turner.aspx?eventid=153082

    “…we’ve got to monetize it (Windows) differently. There are additional opportunities for us to bring additional services to the product and do it in a creative way.”

    Turner was short on specifics, but spelled out in general terms those opportunities, saying that new business models will allow the company “to monetize the lifetime of that customer” by selling them services and what he called “add-ons.”

    Most analysts have assumed that Microsoft will continue to expand its Windows-for-free practices to keep customers within its ecosystem, then sell them other products, including services and subscriptions, to make up the Windows revenue decline.”

  31. oiaohm says:

    –What, are we supposed to throw away perfectly capable PCs just to increase the shipment numbers? Isn’t a MASSIVE installed base proof that something is popular?–

    Carrier numbers suggest smart mobile phones out number desktop and laptop computers.

    Moblie phones are basically the bigger market.

    Next due to where Mobile phones are produced and trade-restrictions anything without a open source core will not take 50 percent of the market in Mobile phones. Its why 40 percent of android installs out box are ASOP with no Google services or Microsoft services.

    Reality here is WinMo no matter how good it was never stood a chance of pushing symbian out way as symbian was open core so holding the 40 percent that Android ASOP holds now.

    The realities are quite nasty.

    Sailfish and Ubuntu on phones for 40 percent of the mobile phone market only have Android as their competitor. Thing would become a lot different of Microsoft decided to open source the core of Windows.

    Android is not just popular because of user choice. All hardware vendors world wide can make an Android device to some extent and demonstrate it as working. Android ASOP form is good enough to demo working. Part of why Microsoft patent claims against Android have been paid. Windows phone is not usable in all of Samsungs factories.

    http://www.samsung.com/us/news/520
    Remember USA trade restrictions here. Samsung has factories is North Korea and other countries on the USA do not export to list. Using open source punches past this.

    The rules of the market in mobile phones is unfair against anything closed source.

  32. kurkosdr says:

    Oh, and before somene of you posts a retort like “yeah, there is massive install base of Windows desktops/laptops but is rarely used by their users”, I will point you again to Pog’s popularity graph. Even if he never updates it to include 8.x, or fix the one-sided grouping, which is what he ‘ll probably do because he likes to misrepresnt data, it will help you get a clue.

    http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Linux_More_Popular_Than_7_On_Weekends.svg

    Again Pog, I ask you to provide an explanation on why you group Android by not Windows Desktop.

  33. kurkosdr says:

    Popular? As in unit-sales? ~250million Wintel PCs per annum versus 1000million Android/Linux devices, mostly on ARM. Then there are the connected gadgets…

    As in machines in circulation? Just because everyone has a working Windows 7 or Windows 8 PC and has no need to buy a new, does this mean Windows Desktop is not popular? What, are we supposed to throw away perfectly capable PCs just to increase the shipment numbers? Isn’t a MASSIVE installed base proof that something is popular?

    This would all be clear if the “popularity” chart in your first post didn’t do an unfair grouping of all Android versions, but at the same time list each Windows version seperate (and then omit 8.x altogether).

    The cold hard facts is that, as per your own graph (if you bother to include 8.x in), windows desktops/laptops are more popular.

    But the question remains: Why do you misrepresent data by grouping Android but not Windows, and then go a step further and omit the most recent version of Windows (as of today). Why?

  34. kurkosdr wrote, “Do you see anyone writing his report on a cellphone or even a tablet with a keyboard cover?”

    Yes. They use voice to text and spell-checking, audio/video/still recording and GPS. There’s a reason the ultra-light notebooks have some life. They are easier to lug around. People hate being pack-mules for Wintel. Folks love smartphones because they can carry two, a battery pack, and extra storage for half the weight and bulk of a 15″ notebook. They don’t even need a bag if they have pockets or holsters. There’s a reason Android/Linux is more popular on smartphones than TOOS. People had a choice and preferred Android/Linux.

  35. kurkosdr wrote, “if a person has a job, he needs a desktop/laptop.”

    Not true. All kinds of people use smartphones or tablets for everything. All kinds of people don’t regularly use IT at all. The challenge, if M$ accepts it is to hook the next billion people. They have a year or so to do that and they are not even trying. They can’t, charging the prices they do. They can’t when people want to be mobile, very mobile, and that legacy PC is a burden compared to a smartphone. People want to compute going to and from work, at work, on the sofa, in the bath, on the patio… Wintel won’t do it for them.

  36. DrLoser says:

    Then there are the connected gadgets… what, 2000million per annum.

    Take your meds, Robert.

  37. Mats Hagglund wrote, “Rate 1:6 favoring Android Linux”.

    It’s probably better than that because Android/Linux can be copied freely and used by all kinds of tiny shops too small for Gartner/IDC to notice. Then there are connected devices like TVs, home control systems, other gadgets… The world does not need M$ nor Intel’s permission to make something intelligent.

  38. kurkosdr wrote, “Desktops/laptops with Windows are more popular than Android devices. Period.”

    Popular? As in unit-sales? ~250million Wintel PCs per annum versus 1000million Android/Linux devices, mostly on ARM. Then there are the connected gadgets… what, 2000million per annum. M$ is almost out of the running, just hanging on in an eddy in a backwater. The fact is that more and more activities are being carried out with small cheap computers in conjunction with powerful servers. There’s just no need for Wintel any longer, at least on the client. Soon, we won’t need Intel on servers either.

  39. kurkosdr says:

    KUKU, please explain to M$ the error in their ways by developing “Microsoft Office Mobile” for Android.

    Simple. Customers need to read docs from their smartphones, and also read and make spot edits from their tablets, so, Microsoft had to do something to prevent Google Docs from possibly spreading in the future.

    Microsoft Office Mobile is not the real (productive) Office. No, it’s just not. It exists so that OOXML and Sharepoint have a tentacle around mobile users (Android and iOS users that is).

    – 302-303 million Android-devices
    – 52 million Windows pc/mobiles (with Windows pre-installed)

    See kids? This is what happens to a company when it’s being BallmerManaged(tm) for years while investors standby doing nothing. Microsoft had tons of experience in mobile computing, but WinMo failed because it took them years to slap a new UI on top of the thing (and even when they did with WinMo 6.5, it wasn’t complete).
    Microsoft has lost the rapidly expanding mobile content consumption market, and they are about to lose the living room too with Android TV.

    BUT, this doesn’t undo the fact that Microsoft is king in desktops/laptops, an already HUGE market (though not expanding as much as mobiles). Desktops/laptops with Windows are more popular than Android devices. Period.

    But for some reason Pogson groups Android versions in the “popularity” graph but at the same time he doesn’t group the Windows versions (even 7 with 8.x), and also thinks that for some reason it’s cute to omit 8.x from the graph altogether. Of course, since Pogson likes so much to post “doctored” graphs, I don’t expect him to answer why this and not the other way ’round. (hint: answer why if you want to confront my last statement).

  40. dougman says:

    Obviously KUKU is so in the know, that he knows more than M$!

    KUKU, please explain to M$ the error in their ways by developing “Microsoft Office Mobile” for Android. You obviously cannot see anyone writing their report on a cellphone or even a tablet, so save M$ some money and have them stop the madness!

    Eh.

  41. Agent_Smith says:

    That’s what happens when Microshaft faces competition: They break. And, no, US markets were never a competition, MS never competed with crApple, no, it was like the duo Coca & Pepsi, a duopoly. Put in the equation real competition and that’s how M$ performs: lousy.
    And yes, M$ has been selling computers to people who don’t need it. Desktop computers are a niche market, and cell phones and tablets are for the most of people. The rest, yes, desktops, but a much smaller desktop market.

  42. Mats Hagglund says:

    Using data of both Gartner and IDC etc are giving us these sell figures (Q1 2015):

    – 302-303 million Android-devices
    – 52 million Windows pc/mobiles (with Windows pre-installed)

    Rate 1:6 favoring Android Linux.

  43. Mats Hagglund says:

    “Three numbers and no source (link). Can you please substantiate your claims by providing sources?”


    http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp

    (Android smartphone market share about 80% )

    http://photos.prnewswire.com/prn/20150430/213072

    (Android tablet marketshare almost 70%…)

    Some 342 million smartphones and 52 million tablets sold during Q1 2015. Some 302-303 million were Android devices. More than 4 times than total numbers of pc sold during same period (71.7 million units). And note that about 55% of pc were sold with Windows pre-installed.

    http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3026217

    “Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Declined 5.2 Percent in First Quarter of 2015 ”

    71 733 000 pc sold during Q1 2015

  44. kurkosdr says:

    Yes, that distinction is very important to my grandma when she goes shopping for a PC she can browse facebook with.

    How big is that “pensioneer with no job and no need to write long rich-text documents and very limited IT needs in general” market segment anyway?

    Because if a person has a job, he needs a desktop/laptop. For example, my parents need to use a CRM app, they need to write documents, they need to scan documents (not every document that needs to be emailed to a client is in electronic form, sorry), and they need to view CD and DVD data. Remove the CRM bit (maybe), and -oh boy- I ‘ve described almost all users under 65 out there!

    So, to be clear, unless you are a pensioneer with very limited IT needs, your first purchase will be a desktop/laptop, not a tablet.

    PS: Now I expect someone to shift the discussion to how Desktop Linux will totally take significant share from Windows in the desktop/laptop space and… (yawn).

  45. JD says:

    @antifanboy

    Yes, that distinction is very important to my grandma when she goes shopping for a PC she can browse facebook with.

  46. kurkosdr says:

    Deniers can’t hide the truth that 80% of new clients having internet connection are mobiles and 75% of new mobiles are running by Linux (mostly Android). That’s why 60% of all new clients are using Android Linux even excluding Linux desktops and portables. Hundreds of most clicked websites have now mobile majority.

    Three numbers and no source (link). Can you please substantiate your claims by providing sources?

    Anyway, nobody here pretends that losing the content consumption race to Google is a non-problem for MS. The point is that, since the need for desktops and laptops, and all the apps and use cases that come with them, are not going to vanish, MS owns that space. There is no “Closing More Windows”.

    Smartphones and tablets just replaced the myriads of dumbphones out there, there is no (or very very little) eating into desktops/laptops.

    I ‘ve said it before: In the desktops/laptops space, the competition to Windows is Windows. Aka old versions of Windows and old computers that still work just fine.

  47. Mats Hagglund says:

    Deniers can’t hide the truth that 80% of new clients having internet connection are mobiles and 75% of new mobiles are running by Linux (mostly Android). That’s why 60% of all new clients are using Android Linux even excluding Linux desktops and portables. Hundreds of most clicked websites have now mobile majority.

    Behind just one ip-address are all devices of my family: 1 tablet, 3 smartphone, one laptop and one desktop. Next weekend there will be three more when my children and their spouses are coming. All but one are Linux-machines and none of them are running by Windows.

    Corporate media is still living in reality of 1998-2004. But world has really changed and Microsoft facing severe punishment by rivals. It’s hanging on ropes now.

  48. kurkosdr says:

    I said it once and I said it again: x86 and cellphones are NOT in same category.

    Exactly. Do you see anyone writing his report on a cellphone or even a tablet with a keyboard cover? Theoretically a tablet with a keyboard cover is the same thing as a laptop, but practically it’s not. Tablets can’t beat a 15-incher laptop (or even better, a 17-incher) with a mouse-centric UI and a mouse or trackpad.

    The whole “cellphones and tablets can replace desktops/laptops” narrative hides two FOSSie traits: 1)The desire to pretend that the fact Desktop Linux is an eternal 1-2%-er OS globally doesn’t matter anymore, and 2)The mistaken assumption that all users are either content consumers or programmers. In the real world, there are people who need to use an office suite a lot, people who edit lots of photos, people who edit lots of videos, web designers, musicians, CAD users, CRM users etc

    Trait #2 has been a characteristic trait of FOSSies since forever. It’s the reason xfce and gnome require dropping to CLI or editing texts to do advanced settings than in Windows can be done via the GUI. It’s the reason why so many settings dialogs in Linuxland are just the conf file of the app in UI form. For FOSSies, there are only two kinds of users: Programmers (who have no problem editing the conf files, can produce code, and hence are desirable) and lusers (leechees). The concept of the professional non-programmer user doesn’t exist in the mind of FOSSies (they only pay lip service to it). Non does the concept of the non-programmer power user (which is different from the professional non-programmer obv).

    ——–

    And don’t get me started on the legacy apps issue. Or scanning.

    ——–

    However, the graph should be worrying for MS. It shows are gradually losing the content consumption race to Google (cellphones and tablets are mostly content consumption devices). How is Microsoft Movies (I can’t even recall what’s the name of Microsoft’s rival to Google PlayMovies) or Microsoft Music doing?

    But Windows is still king of desktops and laptops, and everything that goes with them (see above).

  49. antifanboy wrote, “x86 and cellphones are NOT in same category”.

    Let’s see:

    • computers? CHECK!
    • personal computers? CHECK!
    • correspondence? CHECK!
    • browsing? CHECK!
    • banking? CHECK!
    • investing? CHECK!
    • graphics? CHECK!
    • multimedia? CHECK!

    When we get to GPS, telephony and which get used more there is a difference. Smartphones win big, but those are not definite requirements to be ubiquitous personal computers, just good-to-haves. Youth don’t seem to need legacy PCs but can’t do without their smartphones. Their sharp eyes and nimble fingers don’t need all that baggage. They certainly don’t need a CPU from Intel nor an OS from M$. Face it. The world has moved on and there’s no upside to the legacy PC. Moore’s Law, more than anything has made Wintel obsolete. There are places where legacy PCs are superior in important ways like maximum compute power, memory, networking and storage but those aren’t critical for many users/usages of PCs. The Internet attends to much of that and accessories can deal with everything else: display, keyboard, etc. The modern smartphone clearly beats the 1990s era legacy PC and those were good enough for everyone.

  50. antifanboy says:

    I said it once and I said it again: x86 and cellphones are NOT in same category.

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