M$ To Compete On Price/Performance

“Every three years or so Microsoft would sit down and create ‘the next great OS. The developers would be locked away and out would pop a product based on what the world wanted three years ago.”
See: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions
The way M$ climbed to the top of desktop PC markets was to force OEMs, retailers, and consumers to deal with nothing but M$’s product. That worked for a while but no longer. M$ intends to switch to a subscription model where consumers have to pay for service as they go. That’s right. No longer will the price be hidden. Consumers who can do the maths will seek alternatives if for no other reason than comparison shopping. GNU/Linux will prevail because there’s no OS out there that gives as great a service for $0 as GNU/Linux. Amen.

This is it. 2015 will be the last year where consumers are under the delusion that that other OS is $free. Wait till they find that GNU/Linux is $FREE and FREE. TOOS will be blown away.

About Robert Pogson

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17 Responses to M$ To Compete On Price/Performance

  1. dougman says:

    Version 10 of Win-Dohs will be the last version.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/windows-10-to-be-last-version-of-windows/

    Does this mean they are going to be charging a monthly or yearly subscription fee for now one? I think so Watson.

  2. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr
    Then WHY is zero install not offered out of the box in distros? You know, integrated in Software Center, apt-get whatever.
    Integrated into Software Centre of course you don’t know what this is. Software Centre is two things. Being Appstream and packagekit.

    Appstream does in fact support more than 1 installer solution. Zeroinstall is not packagekit compatible as it supports installing applications with user selected version of Libraries including choosing between Distribution provided and zero-install feed provided version. Of course Zeroinstall wants someone to fund/do a Zeroinstall based application store that supports Zeroinstall unique features. But as yet on one has funded it so users must not be interested enough or at least that is what the Linux world believes.

    http://0install.net/distribution-integration.html

    Most distributions include zeroinstall as a package user can install. There are security considerations when you decide to back port or forward port applications(yes zeroinstall can do both). This is why its not in by default install. User is to make a willing choice and install the package so showing they understand what they are doing. This is Linux world attempt to protect users from their own security stupidity mixed with a lack of advertising budget .

    Thus is why I don’t like Desktop Linux. They are so focused with doing things “the right way” they forgot to make the OS easy to use.
    This is part of the problem Linux world is focused on security ahead of ease of use.

    The user sees the latest version of an app does not work with his LTS, but sees in the app’s site that it is released for the newest LTS, upgrades and breams any proprietary drivers in the process.
    This is lack of education about Zeroinstall and the fact Linux does not charge to upgrade between versions. Remember same issues of broken drivers happened to users running windows 8.0 who got 8.1 free upgrade. This complaint is nothing more than unfairly comparing Linux to Windows.

    Yes those who did not upgrade from Windows 8.0 to 8.1 are now not getting any more security updates. Yes a lot of people are running unsupported Windows.

    I remember Windows XP and 2000 service packs breaking printer drivers and the like as well. Windows and Linux having hardware issues when applying updates is not new. The odds are in fact higher that a Windows machine will have a issue why because a majority of drivers are provided in Linux Distributions include closed source video drivers.

    You have to remember Distributions like CentOS have 10 years of support for security updates just like Windows does. People using distributions like CentOS do use zeroinstall to install newer applications of course those people have normally done redhat or otherwise like training so know what in heck they are doing.

    Gnome Sandbox project is planing integration with appstream and packagekit. So your issue about integration could nicely disappear.

    DrLoser
    Audio has not been a mainstream problem since Ubuntu 6.10. Can you get a new trope man? It’s like saying “Windoze BSODs ha ha ha” based on experiences with Windows ME.
    I would not go this far. I would say Audio for Mainstream usage under Linux really has been no worse than Audio under Windows since 2010. Yes laptops with nasty driver picky hardware has been around but these hurt Windows and Linux users.
    http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/ht080447

    Snaps like this kurkosdr wants to ignore yes this is almost exactly the same
    sudo apt-get remove –purge alsa-base pulseaudio
    sudo apt-get install alsa-base pulseaudio
    sudo alsa force-reload
    Under Linux please note under Linux to fix the Audio issue after upgrade does not require reboot yet to fix the same problem under Windows does require reboot. Yes Linux has a generic set of instructions for all provide driver vendors where under Windows to fix a audio problem its search vendor website and hopefully find the fix. Yes as alsa-base package updates it also addes in vendor quirk detection.

  3. DrLoser says:

    while Dellbuntu resulted in broken audio and long waiting lines in the tech support department

    Audio has not been a mainstream problem since Ubuntu 6.10. Can you get a new trope man? It’s like saying “Windoze BSODs ha ha ha” based on experiences with Windows ME.

  4. kurkosdr wrote, ” WHY is zero install not offered out of the box in distros? You know, integrated in Software Center, apt-get whatever.
     
    Thus is why I don’t like Desktop Linux. They are so focused with doing things “the right way” they forgot to make the OS easy to use. The user sees the latest version of an app does not work with his LTS, but sees in the app’s site that it is released for the newest LTS”

    Some people actually use their OS rather than fiddling with it. For the few minutes this might take out of the years a person uses a PC/distro, it’s nothing at all, definitely not a deal-breaker. I have the latest LibreOffice, FireFox, and kernel and it takes just a few minutes of my time when I want to upgrade. It’s not any problem for the many millions of folks who don’t upgrade, like the >100million or so still running XP.

  5. kurkosdr says:

    You can zeroinstall 2015 applications on year 2000 Linux.

    Then WHY is zero install not offered out of the box in distros? You know, integrated in Software Center, apt-get whatever.

    Thus is why I don’t like Desktop Linux. They are so focused with doing things “the right way” they forgot to make the OS easy to use. The user sees the latest version of an app does not work with his LTS, but sees in the app’s site that it is released for the newest LTS, upgrades and breams any proprietary drivers in the process.

    PS: Microsoft hardware not working in latest Windows is another indication’s that their best days are behind them. Still better than Linux and unofficial install methods like zeroinstall

    @Pog That’s the point Pog, Apple sells outside their stores, there is no retailer-MS conspiracy.

    PS:

  6. oiaohm wrote, “spreading the lie that you cannot install newer applications on older Linux so this causes users to update their full Linux Distribution when they did not have to.”

    GNU/Linux is so flexible (the licence permits just about any usage) that this is really not a problem. Certainly, a consumer might have trouble getting some old favourite to run on a newer distro but distros like Debian are huge and a consumer is unlikely to need anything outside of it. I am a devoted user of Debian and I only have two or three applications not from within the distro, some for currency and some for features. I didn’t need to upgrade the distro to install the applications. The trick is to stick with FLOSS and the distro. That’s the right way to do IT and such problems become tiny. So, consumers have no real problem. Geeks can just build from source or update distros or use virtual machines/docks/chroots…. There is no problem. Anyone who has a problem probably already has a geek on the payroll to take care of things.

  7. kurkosdr wrote, “Apple stores are available in major metropolitan areas”.

    Hmmm… I checked. There are exactly 1.0 Apple stores in Winnipeg, my nearest “major city”. Apple are very confused if they think folks will drive 10-12 miles extra to get to an Apple store. I’ve lived near Winnipeg for much of my life and have never seen the Apple store. I’ve not been to the shopping centre where it abides for about 15 years. Location, location, location… In order for a retailer to hold the market it must have a whiz-bang product or at least be accessible. I can reach a dozen other retailers selling competitive products driving half the distance.

    For further clarification, Winnipeg is a city centred around the confluence of two major rivers, the Red and the Assiniboine, which have been meeting places for ~10K years. The 1.0 Apple store is 7.2km from The Forks, 17 minutes drive without traffic…. I can tell you to expect traffic, red lights, and traffic cops along the way so then it takes about twice as long. People have better things to do with their lives than travel through city traffic to serve a monopolist. Wal-mart has 4 locations in Winnipeg and I’ve been to three of them. I also have another nearby centre with a fifth Wal-mart store which I often visit. I recently bought potting soil from them. Apple is not even on the radar of shoppers in Winnipeg.

  8. oiaohm says:

    The issue here kurkosdr is that you and others are spreading the lie that you cannot install newer applications on older Linux so this causes users to update their full Linux Distribution when they did not have to.

  9. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr Please note new Windows applications that install on old versions of Windows normally include there VS runtime that basically does the same thing as using bundled or zeroinstalled under Linux.

    So the only reason you don’t have backwards installation of applications is installation method under Linux.

  10. oiaohm says:

    Do Ubuntu LTSes from 2009 run all modern desktop apps the latest Ubuntu LTS does?
    kurkosdr the answer is yes if you install the Applications by Zeroinstall.

    Really Windows XP does not run Windows 7 included applications. You have o third party install. So this is more not knowing how to use Linux effectively.

    You can zeroinstall 2015 applications on year 2000 Linux. Reason newer glibc and x11 interface libraries support talking to older version kernels and X11 servers.

    http://www.softpedia.com/blog/Keyboard-and-Mouse-Not-Working-in-Windows-8-1-Workaround-398767.shtml

    The windows 8.1 usb keyboard one is common knowledge kurkosdr asking for a screen shot or a link over this means you don’t work in computer support front lines so really should not be commenting at all on how dependable OS’s are.

  11. kurkosdr says:

    This is MS = MS

  12. kurkosdr says:

    You buy a Linux laptop with Linux installed your life is fairly good. You convert a laptop might be good or you might suffer big time.

    True, “converts” suck. But that’s offtopic

    What is on-topic is that upgrades suck too for average users. Get out of your cutting edge early-adopter micro-world kid. Ubuntu lost the Dellbuntu deal (you now, a fricking CHANCE to become BIG and SELL a respectable number of units in RETAIL) with the audio issues just because it forced users to embark on the upgrade treadmill.

    Here it is for one more time: Users. Frickin. Hate. Upgrade. Treadmills.

    This is MS has been smart (up until now at least) to never urge users to upgrade to a new major.

    The two most sucessful OSes (Windows and Android) give users the ability to stay with the old version and have all the latest apps (anything Vista and above, and anything 4.1 and above will get you all or practically all in the case of Android of the latest apps). Desktop Linux? Not so much. Must have the latest LTS. Otherwise, no latest apps.

  13. oiaohm says:

    Please note there are are few dell laptops not on the Linux supported list. Attempting to use those is super painful.

    https://major.io/2015/02/03/linux-support-dell-xps-13-9343-2015-model/

    Does not help that supported and unsupported have the same major branding on it. Yes XPS 13 2014 and before good. XPS 13 9343 2015 dead meat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvWib41N6L8
    Also its not only Linux having issues with the XPS 13 2015 version.

    OEM/ODM do from time to time serve up bad hardware.

    This is the problem I have kurkosdr. Some hardware runs perfectly with Windows not Linux. Some hardware runs perfectly with Linux not Windows and some like the Dell XPS 13 9343 2015 runs bad no matter what OS you have loaded. Please note that 9343 number there is a 2015 hardware design revision that makes a lot of the problems disappear. Yes lets connect the keyboard and mouse to a unused usb port instead of just i2c its fine at the moment as Windows 8.1 ignores the USB keyboard and mouse. Yes the Dell XPS 2015 that appear to work are going to bite some point in the future.

    kurkosdr see with this example the hardware card really does not hold.

    You buy a Linux laptop with Linux installed your life is fairly good. You convert a laptop might be good or you might suffer big time.

  14. kurkosdr says:

    of the user = by the user

  15. kurkosdr says:

    kurkosdr really nothing is more fun than Windows 8.1 and Microsoft usb keyboard and mouse that does not appear to work.
    Link or screenshot, or else it didn’t happen
    http://i.imgur.com/MflX6gM.gif

    Please note people don’t normally upgrade versions of Windows because stuff like Printers, Keyboards, Sound, Video can all fail to function.
    Yes, and that’s why Windows never buggered users to upgrade, because they could have all the latest apps without upgrading. I have an OS from 2009 (Win7), and it runs all desktop apps. Do Ubuntu LTSes from 2009 run all modern desktop apps the latest Ubuntu LTS does?

    With ubuntu, you must have the latest LTS, breakages like the ones you mention are to be taken care of the user.

    Gotta give you one thing though, the Windows 10 upgrade popup up that MS is preparing might result in some breakages, though much much less spectacular than Desktop Linux, because MS keeps compat for the APIs and ABIs they create (from Vista and onwards). Unlike Desktop Linux.

    Google bypassed normal PC retailers at first and Apple has run own stores.
    Apple stores are available in major metropolitan areas, and the bulk of Google devices are sold via retailers, and Play Store Devices is not even available in some countries. The fact Android sold well before Google launched the ability to buy devices via Play Store proves that there is no frickin conspiracy. Capito, kid?

    There have been a few upgrade versions causing a sound breakage with ubuntu fixed by a setting purge.
    So easy for the average user! In Windows, you can just stay with the OS version you have, install all the latest apps you want, and be fricking done with it. No treadmill.

  16. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr really nothing is more fun than Windows 8.1 and Microsoft usb keyboard and mouse that does not appear to work. Yes it works in bios but then completely turns non functional once Windows boots.

    Modern Dell Ubuntu combinations don’t have that big of audio problems there was a issue 2012 to 2013 versions change.

    http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/

    There have been a few upgrade versions causing a sound breakage with ubuntu fixed by a setting purge. Note exactly the same instructions fix all the ubuntu versions on dell suffering from a Audio problem.

    Please note people don’t normally upgrade versions of Windows because stuff like Printers, Keyboards, Sound, Video can all fail to function. Over all Ubuntu has lower tech calls than Microsoft Windows.

    kurkosdr reality you are saying Windows is fine when in fact it a broken bit of crap. Issue here is Windows gives users just as many issues to fix as Linux. Difference when Linux throws up a issue users complain about it right?? No search USB keyboard and mouse and Windows 8.1 and notice the stack of problems. I can also give you other areas that is problem in Windows 7 and XP. In fact if OEM provide support for Windows they will have more people long waiting lines at dell and other makers of Linux devices have stated this.

    Yes the fact Dell gives Ubuntu phone support is in fact testament to its low issue rate. Windows sorry reset your computer to factory if it works no problems from dell yes if it toasted your data in the process stiff briskets if the error happens as soon as you reinstall all the Windows updates stiff briskets . With Ubuntu you get from Dell instructions to fix without reinstalling.

    Please note Windows 7 and latter is that bad OEM have written into their supply contract supplied as is. Yes any break after any update or change to provide image is not the OEM problem with Windows.

    Google bypassed normal PC retailers at first and Apple has run own stores.

  17. kurkosdr says:

    The way M$ climbed to the top of desktop PC markets was to force OEMs, retailers, and consumers to deal with nothing but M$’s product.

    Think of the following:

    1) Microsoft had to gain majority marketshare to abuse it. Can you imagine if -say- Sony tried to force retailers to deal with nothing but Sony TVs? Most shops would just cease marketing them, famous brand or not. Microsoft survived the real OS wars of the 80s (Dr. Dos, Amstrad, Atari, Apple), and the OS wars of the 90s (OS/2, MacOS, even Amiga still had a stronghold). Every other option was worse or much more expensive (in an era when computers already cost upwards of 1.200 dollars in todays money).

    2) If retailers only deal Microsoft, how did Apple and Google managed to sell anything? Shops don’t work that way. Microsoft only abused OEMs (the infamous “per system royalty”). But, if there was some other reasonable alternative to Windows, other OEMs would eclipse the Microsoft-chained ones. FOSSies want to present OEMs as suffering by MS’s dominance, when in reality that system has served them well (up until now), while Dellbuntu resulted in broken audio and long waiting lines in the tech support department.

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