2015 Could Well Be The Year Of The */Linux Thin Client

While I have long believed thin client computing is the way to go for most of us, Android/Linux took off on small cheap computers before GNU/Linux. It’s all good but 2015 may allow GNU/Linux to catch up.“Intel today launched Intel® Easy Migration, an app for first time Chromebook users that allows for seamless transfer of data and files onto Intel-based Chromebooks. The app, available on iOS, Android and Windows operating systems, helps transfers contacts, documents, photos, videos and audio files from a Windows PC as well as Android and iOS-based smartphones to Intel-based Chromebooks. The app also allows a user to hand pick files for custom migration. Learn more about Intel® Easy Migration.” Intel, for instance, now has an application that users of Wintel PCs can run to set up their Google clouds for use with Intel Chromebooks… but once that data is in the cloud ARMed Chromebooks can also deal with it. ChromeOS is basically Chrome web browser and a few applications working on a GNU/Linux thin client.

See Intel® Easy Migration App Makes File Transfers to Chromebooks a Breeze.

The regular thin clients are not sitting still either. Everyone and their dog are making thin clients these days and many run GNU/Linux.

There’s even a 21.5″ all-in-one thin client for folks who don’t want or can’t leave that other OS but are glad to leave it on the server…
“Atrust A66 adopts Linux® operating system, offering a flexible and reliable platform for various needs with low cost. Atrust A66 is equipped with four USB ports connectivity and supports up to 1920 by 1080 HD resolutions, remote connection and a close-to desktop experience.” It runs GNU/Linux on ARM.

See Atrust Unveils A66, the Latest Quad Core ARM Based 21.5” All-in-One Thin Client.

“Sixty-percent of small businesses that are hacked go out of business within six months.”With the hacking of SONY fresh in everyone’s mind, even small business are looking for small cheap secure IT. They can get it with thin clients running GNU/Linux. Even small businesses should encrypt everything and it’s easier to do that on a few servers than on a hundred PCs.

IDC reports thin clients have continued to increase share of PC-production and forecasts that trend will continue for years to come. While share is still small at 4.4%, the longer life of thin clients leverages that into a higher share of installed base. There’s no reason at all that all of those thin clients can’t run GNU/Linux on ARM.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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131 Responses to 2015 Could Well Be The Year Of The */Linux Thin Client

  1. DrLoser says:

    This is false. When I give you a cite proving this is false you call it a puff bit and then don’t admit you are wrong DrLoser. You complain about me doing this. Yet you do the same thing.

    Nope, I accepted your revision [from October 14th, 2014] that the actual date was November 13th 2014.

    Somehow I don’t see this timeline working in your favour, oiaohm. And you will kindly note that I followed up your cite and checked your information on the dates concerned.

  2. DrLoser says:

    What is used by tech support is not publicly printed on websites. I can show when AWS started using particular protocols.

    That would be very interesting and useful, oiaohm.

    Go ahead and show us. Oh, and don’t forget that tiny little detail of “at that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.”

    Just a tiny little detail. I’m sure it won’t inconvenience you one bit.

  3. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser
    Most cases on AWS you are not given direct server control. Only cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.
    Exploit guy did not fight this because he has common sense.

    What is used by tech support is not publicly printed on websites. I can show when AWS started using particular protocols.

    What happened to me was being billed for a huge number of extra hours on one run instance yet not on another when both should have taken the same amount of time. It was not in the saved logs other than everything was happening slower than it should have been and high cpu load. Since it the same instance image they are identical without question. Sadly enough it was one of drivers was in fact CPU sensitive when particular requests were made of it in a particular order. So depending on where in the Amazon server farm it was running depended on if it showed issue or not.

    DrLoser it is not common to be given absolute control in AWS. You have to have a dispute that suggest a bug in AWS provided images or hardware that they are having trouble finding and they want your software customized to help them find it. Of course I was wanting to watch in case this happens else where.

    DrLoser you were asserting Amazon was not using
    Go on, oaohm, tell us: what was so important about October 14th, 2014?

    Clearly you have a very good explanation of this. Otherwise, why would you have wasted so much time prattling on about PCoIP? (Which, to remind others, was not actually supported on AWS prior to that date.)
    This is false. When I give you a cite proving this is false you call it a puff bit and then don’t admit you are wrong DrLoser. You complain about me doing this. Yet you do the same thing.

  4. DrLoser says:

    The reason why I did not use the AWS Blog link is the price is out of date.

    Me: Could you link to technical information which will back up your bizarre assertion?
    oiaohm : I’d love to, but the price is out of date.

    Do you see how extraordinarily stupid you’ve made yourself sound, Fifi?

    I guess not. You are, after all, a comprehensive fantasist.

  5. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser in fact my link on PCoIP is correct. Please post what was on the AWS Blog as of 13 NOV 2013 you will find sales pitch post saying the same thing as the Teradici post.

    And completely irrelevant to your point, Fifi. Must I quote it once more? Need I? Evidently so:

    Most cases on AWS you are not given direct server control. Only cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.

    At best, Fifi, that is a misconstruction of reality.

    In other words, you are blatantly lying to yourself.

  6. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser in fact my link on PCoIP is correct. Please post what was on the AWS Blog as of 13 NOV 2013 you will find sales pitch post saying the same thing as the Teradici post. With prices. The reason why I did not use the AWS Blog link is the price is out of date.

    The reality here DrLoser did not even bother to check what was on the AWS Blog of the exact same date. What fear that you could be wrong.

  7. DrLoser says:

    November 13, 2013 is the real release date.

    Really? That looks like a puff piece from Teradici marketing. Which might be explained by the fact that it comes from Teradici marketing, and in passing I note that you are not that keen on Teradici implementation.

    Sorry, Fifi, I’m sticking with the AWS blog. Feel free to find an actual cite that demonstrates any sort of use, let alone a use mandated by 3rd level AWS support or whoever, that mandates the use of PCoIP on AWS WorkSpaces.

    Because, let’s face it, Fifi … you can’t, can you?

    Which is a bit of a shame, considering that this is precisely what you claimed in the first place. Just to save time:

    Most cases on AWS you are not given direct server control. Only cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP. Basically same interface as what is used for AWS workspaces is also used for Amazon administrators to access instances directly.

    That Exploit Guy basically you just challenged me on the absolutely truth again.

    “Absolutely truth?” Hardly, oiaohm.

    All TEG did is to call you out on your customary absolute ignorant bullshit.

  8. DrLoser says:

    The other 10 percent is me having a human error moment. Reality is I have never been a true lier and fraud. I may get stuff wrong but that human.

    Is there such a thing as a “false liar and/or fraud,” oiaohm? I think most of us would stick with the true and provable by evidence variety.

    “The tunnel thing.” Bwahahaha. Here we go:

    The compression of openvpn is done to the packets before they are encrypted and turned into a tunnel.

    “Turned into a tunnel?” Part of that mea culpa 10% lunacy, can we assume?

  9. oiaohm says:

    90 percent plus of what I am accessed of being a lier on one of the 2 following
    1) DrLoser extending a cite to say something it does not. In other words made up lies by DrLoser. These are not human error. These are that DrLoser is a lazy bastard.

    This is part of the reason why no more cites for you DrLoser.

    2)Or like the tunnel thing where That Exploit Guy thinks he knows the facts but reality does not have a clue. Ok I can give That Exploit Guy that most of his mistake are common errors. Like a lot of people think incorrectly that tunnel include compression. Really That Exploit Guy need to loss his know it all complex.

    The other 10 percent is me having a human error moment. Reality is I have never been a true lier and fraud. I may get stuff wrong but that human.

  10. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser over and over I give you cite that is only part of the information. From that cite you base your complete arguement on it without checking out other sources to make sure the cite is in fact complete story.

    Result DrLoser has posted thousand and thousands of made up lies. If anyone should be banned from here for being a lier its you DrLoser.

  11. oiaohm says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunneling_protocol
    That Exploit Guy did not get the basics. Tunneling protocols don’t include compression ever. They may have a requirement for the traffic to be in PPP or otherwise before entering the tunnel but that is not part of the Tunneling protocol itself.
    There is a difference between a Tunnel and point to point. The tunnel is only the encryption bit.

    Go on, oaohm, tell us: what was so important about October 14th, 2014?
    That was the rerelease to public date to get more attention nothing more.

    http://www.teradici.com/resource-center/newsroom/latest-news/2013/11/13/teradici-pcoip-now-available-as-part-of-new-amazon-web-services-desktop-offering

    For everyone else knowledge DrLoser is a idiot who does not do his own research and presumes everyone will give him exact correct links.

    November 13, 2013 is the real release date.

    (Which, to remind others, was not actually supported on AWS prior to that date.)
    So DrLoser you call me a lier. You are a lier.

  12. oldfart says:

    Piogson = Pogson

    My apologies Robert.

  13. oldfart says:

    “Would you take the rest of the trash out with you, when you depart?”

    Sorry Dougie,

    If Robert Poigson wasn’t going to get rid of Lil’ Hammie, he certainly wont get rid of you.

    You are safe to spew venomous childish bushwah on this site all you want.

  14. DrLoser says:

    Go on, oaohm, tell us: what was so important about October 14th, 2014?

    Clearly you have a very good explanation of this. Otherwise, why would you have wasted so much time prattling on about PCoIP? (Which, to remind others, was not actually supported on AWS prior to that date.)

    Not that any of the details you prattled on about were in any way correct, as TEG has pointed out.

  15. TEG wrote, “If Pogson wants to hold in high regard a compulsive liar that regularly pumps out horse crap this transparently ignorant and idiotic, that’s his choice. I, on the other hand, am through with this clown show.”

    Goodbye.

  16. dougman says:

    Re: through with this clown show.

    Would you take the rest of the trash out with you, when you depart?

    However, me being a cynic, I doubt that “That Exploit Guy” will not return after January 14, 2015.

  17. That Exploit Guy says:

    The compression of openvpn is done to the packets before they are encrypted and turned into a tunnel.

    “Turned into a tunnel”?

    Guess what? I have a job, a life, and stuff truly deserving of my attention. If Pogson wants to hold in high regard a compulsive liar that regularly pumps out horse crap this transparently ignorant and idiotic, that’s his choice. I, on the other hand, am through with this clown show.

    Goodbye!

  18. oiaohm says:

    The LZO compression used OpenVPN is applied to the tunnel itself, not the traffic within the tunnel, you fool.
    Did not read the manual did you That Exploit Guy
    http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/manuals/65-openvpn-20x-manpage.html

    The compression of openvpn is done to the packets before they are encrypted and turned into a tunnel. Openvpn like lots off other VPN apply the encryption to the packets.

    Like a lot of other VPN adaptive compression algorithm may be on or off. If it on you push heavily compressed packets at it no problems. Other than the VPN by its own random objectives deciding when it compressing and when it not. Also notice VPN can have compression completely off.

    If the encapsulated protocol cannot function in an unreliable, high latency network, then it has no business to be on the Internet to begin with.
    That is the thing by this logic voip and thin-clients should not be on the Internet.

    VPN is design that quite major latency can be acceptable.

    That Exploit Guy is the idea of a thin-client really designed with the idea of highly unreliable with high latency in mind the answer is no. Thin-clients are in the same class as voip. Not every Internet or VPN connection is dependable enough to run voip. Not every Internet connection is dependable enough to run thin-client software over it.

    This really is just showing you have no understanding of the topic.
    http://arstechnica.com/business/2009/07/thin-client-maker-looks-to-lower-latencies-with-new-software/
    There is no thin-client software that operates once latencies get too high. The effort lots of thin-client application providers goto so they have the most effective latencies is very complete.

    Apparently That Exploit Guy does not keep up on major news sites.

    VPN adaptive compression would not be required if there were not cat fights between applications using the vpn connection. Yes some applications using vpn connections will be sending stuff not compressed and some will. Result can be VPN software changing it compression levels up and down and all over the place and altering latency.

    The shock reality here is if you are bandwidth tight having VPN software decide to switch to uncompressed mode can result in not enough bandwidth to maintain thin-client connection.

    That Exploit Guy VPN inside a LAN not crossing the Internet can mafunction just as badly. Compression done by VPN client and server then by Applications using the VPN link can really quickly become too many cooks in kitchen with different ideas.

    Please note a working thin-client over Internet is like Digital TV its perfect until its only just short. Just could be 1/2kb per second short then the thin client is basically unstable because mouse pointer and data on application no longer line up. Thin-client is a sneeze between working and failed.

    If you want low latency, then you should avoid hosting anything in Amazon WS or any cloud service that forces your traffic to pass through a network well-known to guarantee neither reliability nor throughput.
    Even that this sound like common sense. Humans and CEO’s are not known for common sense.

    Look up wikipedia on low latancy you will will see voip listed. Just look around for a bit for companies like expressinterconnect selling asterisk viop services on AWS. People use Amazon WS for low latency all the time no matter how insane we think it is.

  19. That Exploit Guy says:

    Most modern VPN they don’t send raw packets. Most modern VPNs send compressed packets.

    The LZO compression used OpenVPN is applied to the tunnel itself, not the traffic within the tunnel, you fool.

    Operating protocol by VPN can equal do not compress or select particular compressions. Why the VPN itself is going to attempt compression and decompression.

    No matter. It’s the VPN software’s job to handle the compression and the decompression of the tunnel itself. Applications passing packets through the tunnel simply does not need to worry about a single thing.

    So the client needs to be validated that 1 it detect the presence of a VPN two that it request the right transfer mode so not to get excess cpu usage or excess latency from the presence of the VPN.

    If the encapsulated protocol cannot function in an unreliable, high latency network, then it has no business to be on the Internet to begin with. Any talk involving latency incurred by compression is simply pointless.

    VPN does not equal subitute for normal LAN. What works on a normal LAN might be a absolute failure on a VPN even if the VPN in theory has the same size connection.

    The Internet is not a “normal” “LAN” or even “LAN” by any stretch of the definition. If you want low latency, then you should avoid hosting anything in Amazon WS or any cloud service that forces your traffic to pass through a network well-known to guarantee neither reliability nor throughput.

  20. oiaohm says:

    That Exploit Guy
    I have already read it twice, and it looks, smells and feels like an ad with mostly meaningless words tossed together.

    Besides, PCoIP is a UDP-based protocol, and that means unless the IP tunnel provided by OpenVPN is inherently broken in some way, there shouldn’t be need for any “validation”.
    I should have expected this from you. You did not know how to generate random number generators and not known how to use VPN correctly should not be a surprised.

    Most modern VPN are broken in a very identical way. Most modern VPN they don’t send raw packets. Most modern VPNs send compressed packets. Operating protocol by VPN can equal do not compress or select particular compressions. Why the VPN itself is going to attempt compression and decompression.

    So the client needs to be validated that 1 it detect the presence of a VPN two that it request the right transfer mode so not to get excess cpu usage or excess latency from the presence of the VPN.

    So its not a case of point a random thin-client app at a VPN and have it work.

    Note the same problem with compression conflict between VPN and client can happen when you attempt to use voip over VPN. Anything needing low latency going over VPN needs validation that it is going to work.

    VPN does not equal subitute for normal LAN. What works on a normal LAN might be a absolute failure on a VPN even if the VPN in theory has the same size connection.

    DrLoser
    Because, before 15th October 2014, that particular “usage case solution” was not there, you twerp.
    Amazon acquired the license in 2013 starts internal usage. Do you think amazon provides product to customer without testing it internally first.

    It not like I am in the mood any more to give you anything more than lead to fact cites.

    Is there some obvious limitation to a single Windows or OSX computer that demands a multitude of further resources in order to run a bog-standard protocol like PCoIP?
    Its not a limitation of OS as such. Its a limitation of VPN and the Internet. Lot of compressed protocols can be absolutely horible over a VPN.

    UDP packets there are many points in the Internet where they just disappear never to been seen again. This is the problem what works over LAN does not always work over VPN or Internet.

    Before PCoIP it was VNC for those complex moments with AWS.

  21. DrLoser says:

    I’m absolutely astonished that you haven’t taken the time to read my cite, oiaohm, because on your own admission you are a taker, not a giver, but here it is again — from AWS support.

    Perhaps you have Selective Rheumatoid Arthritis Syndrome, an internationally recognised bodily “usage case” that prevents residents of Northern New South Wales from clicking on anything that isn’t Google. I can sympathise with this usage case. It’s cold out there under a lamp-post dressed in nothing else but a halter-top, a leather miniskirt, and fish-net stockings.

    In an effort to help, I’ll save you the bother and quote from the link:

    Today [October 15th 2014] we are making WorkSpaces even more flexible by adding support for PCoIP zero clients. WorkSpaces desktops are rendered on the server and then transmitted to the endpoint as a highly compressed bitmap via the PCoIP protocol.

    Let’s ignore the AWS recommendations for Teradici and Ubuntu. (No reason to ignore them; saved for later.)

    Tell us all, Fifi: what do you suppose AWS support staff recommended for those “awkward little server moments” before 15th October 2014?

    Because, before 15th October 2014, that particular “usage case solution” was not there, you twerp.

  22. DrLoser says:

    That Exploit Guy you just attempted to google your way out. The reality the Windows and OS X clients that are not VMWare are screwed in particular usage cases. One of those usage cases is accessing AWS remotely from 1 computer.

    Ooh, how convincing! A “usage case!” (Normally described as a “use case,” but English is a flexible language, as oiaohm has repeatedly demonstrated.)

    Given your, as TEG correctly points out, “BS story” about AWS support staff somehow requiring PCoIP before they deign to examine “Cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should…”

    … No, wait, that is so clearly cretinous that I don’t wish to expose you to further ridicule. Let’s lose the second half of it for the sake of Formal Debate Method.

    Start again, DrLoser.

    Given your “BS story” about PCoIP, perhaps (and with a self-imposed lack of cites) you might expound on this “usage case.”

    Perhaps those mired in this unfortunate “usage case” might be better served with two computers? Or maybe ten?

    Is there some obvious limitation to a single Windows or OSX computer that demands a multitude of further resources in order to run a bog-standard protocol like PCoIP?

    Take your time, Fifi. In your own words. Just slightly fewer of them than usual, and preferably better chosen and more convincing ones.

  23. That Exploit Guy says:

    That Exploit Guy problem here did you not read the Link. Its truly validated.

    I have already read it twice, and it looks, smells and feels like an ad with mostly meaningless words tossed together.

    Besides, PCoIP is a UDP-based protocol, and that means unless the IP tunnel provided by OpenVPN is inherently broken in some way, there shouldn’t be need for any “validation”.

  24. oiaohm says:

    That Exploit Guy problem here did you not read the Link. Its truly validated.

    I can pull other VPN’s that VMWare goes through the effort to make sure their client functions with perfectly.

    Software developed to provide quality is not something made without effort or random chance.

    Basically Teradici does not have the resources todo this with their client yet.

    That Exploit Guy choosing to use a product that does not have the suitable resources behind them will sooner or later cause you major problems. This is a basic idea.

    Simple reality That Exploit Guy you have lost this round because you were behind on your information.

  25. That Exploit Guy says:

    The reason for this is the windows client by Teradici memory leaks.

    Yeah, I heard also that if you tried to feed it after midnight, bad things would happen.

    Also working with VPNs lets just say really don’t want to be stuck with the Teradici client because just to be horible and is not validated… AWS uses openvpn. The Validated PCoIP client to work with openvpn is VMware View.

    Sure, “validated”. Does it come with a seal of approval as well?

    Pfft…

  26. oiaohm says:

    That Exploit Guy if you had gone threw to the download page.
    Teradici PCoIP Software Clients do not operate with Windows Embedded Standard 7 or Windows Embedded Standard 8 systems.

    The reason for this is the windows client by Teradici memory leaks. PCoIP on thin-clients is almost always VMWare or pure Teradici hardware.

    Note they don’t provide android either. Anywhere that VMWare provides a free client Teradici does not because the Teradici client does not compete. Also working with VPNs lets just say really don’t want to be stuck with the Teradici client because just to be horible and is not validated.
    https://openvpn.net/index.php/vmware-view.html

    AWS uses openvpn. The Validated PCoIP client to work with openvpn is VMware View.

    Good luck finding a PCoIP client for your Linux distro of choice.
    VMWare View is what you use and is free for all Linux Distrobutions and Android. VMWare View the one validated with all the different VPN solutions you may need. So really do I care that I don’t have the Official Teradici client when I have the client that is validated to work.

    Yes you can use the Teradici PCoIP Software Clients for Windows and OS X I hope you like running an extra computer for VPN network access. Lets just say it does not know how to share resources nicely.

    That Exploit Guy you just attempted to google your way out. The reality the Windows and OS X clients that are not VMWare are screwed in particular usage cases. One of those usage cases is accessing AWS remotely from 1 computer.

    Local network your arguement holds that you have a free client.

    Yes openvpn client + Vmware client on an android device also behaves itself perfectly.

    There is a side effect to not providing free clients on Linux. The vmware client gets used in build server auto testing to make sure stuff is not screwed. Of course most build servers are Linux not Windows. At this point your poor end users end up screwed.

    DrLoser high end Linux thin-clients normally include openvpn.

  27. That Exploit Guy says:

    Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.

    Okay, I’ll play along with your BS story and pretend this actually happens.

    Here’s the thing – VMWare doesn’t even own the IP rights to PCoIP. Instead, they have to buy the right to use the protocol from a company called Teradici.

    By the way, here’s the download page for the official Windows/OSX PCoIP client.

    Good luck finding a PCoIP client for your Linux distro of choice.

  28. DrLoser says:

    I’ve been watching oiaohm prove, over and over again, that he is an ignorant buffoon.

    It has been a happy and, I think, instructive six or seven years. (I won’t bore you with the details. Think Posix and SELinux. That would easily be enough.)

    But I have to be fair to Fifi: he’s really pushing the boat out. I thought he couldn’t do worse than UTF-8, but, no!

    At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.

    Let nobody say that oiaohm doesn’t keep his shit up to date.

    oiaohm’s shit is a la mode, almost completely up to date.

    Regrettably, in every single case, with or without cites, it’s still shit.

  29. DrLoser says:

    “Turns out direct server control” I said this for a reason. There is a feature or two missing from “full management control” in the AWS web control interface.

    One can only assume that you had a reason, Fifi. Granted that reason, there are apparently one or two features missing.

    Now, I understand that as a self-confessed Cite Nazi, you are unlikely to supply said cites to me. (Which is something of a pathetic derogation of responsibility, really. Even Dougie might find a cite useful every now and again. Why are you trying to make this into a personal war? Other people are desperate for your cited wisdom, you know!)

    Now, given the apparatus of a “formal debate method,” can we assume that you will regale us all with a botched approximation to the English language defining either one?

    I suspect we can assume not, Fifi. back to the Lamp-Post for you!

  30. DrLoser says:

    Not to pre-empt TEG on this one, oiaohm, but in terms of a purely formal debate, I question whether you have ever once had the following conversation with AWS support?

    Fifi: I have this terrible problem with my clients. Can you help
    Support: Have you tried moving to a lamp-post that better shows off your fish-net stockings and Louboutin heels?
    Fifi: No, my day clients. “Cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should.” I’ve tried everything!
    Support: Have you tried turning your thin client on and off again?
    Fifi: None of my clients are thin, and it’s difficult enough turning them on in the first place … Oh, my day clients? How would that help me? It’s an AWS server issue!
    Support: Normally I’d ask for your phone number at this point … but perhaps not. Anyway, have you tried PCoIP?
    Fifi: I slathered it all over, but it doesn’t seem to get rid of the spots.
    Support: No, no, the day job. Focus! It’s triff! It comes with all thin clients that support the Teradici chipset! We’ve been using it since the 15th October 2014!
    Fifi: Wait a minute whilst I get out of this gimp mask. Right-O! I’ll go Google it!

    That’s really all you ever do, isn’t it, oiaohm? Lean on lamp-posts for a living, and in your spare time indulge in the occasional bit of irrelevant Googling?

    Because, I guarantee you. No matter what specious justification you can come up with (absent cites, regrettably), there is no way on earth that anybody has had a conversation with AWS support staff that ends with their unequivocal requirement that the customer uses PCoIP.

  31. DrLoser says:

    Me: What sort of tom-fool idiot would purchase a top-end “thin client” with the three protocols already mentioned, simply to access Amazon Web Services?

    Fifi: Because you are using the workspaces zero client feature.

    I can name a business called repo that uses high end thin-clients at every store to run cash registers all data is stored in central server.

    In passing, the first sentence in your response is grammatically inept, oiaohm. I didn’t ask “why,” I asked “what sort of?” Only people who have serious difficulties with the basics of the English language would answer a “what sort of” or “who” question with an answer beginning with the conjunction “because.”

    However, be that as it may. We are in the middle of “formal debate method” here.

    The more interesting question concerns this “business called repo” that you can name but are unfortunately unable to cite, what with your conveniently redefined set of ethics in re citations.

    A business called repo? Is this anything like a boy called Sue?

    Absent a cite, it’s difficult to distinguish formal debating evidence from a simple memory-lapse based confusion over the lyrics of a popular C&W song. Anyhow, we shall proceed.

    …that uses high end thin-clients at every store to run cash registers all data is stored in central server.

    High end isn’t top end, is it? And I’d short this business tomorrow, if what you say is true. What sort of prize moron would use “high end thin-clients” as cash-registers?

    In other words, in terms of “formal debate method,” we have moved on from “what sort of tom-fool idiot … ?” to “what sort of prize moron … ?”

    One would assume that this was not your intention, Fifi. But then again … your evidence, not mine. Formally speaking.

  32. DrLoser says:

    (Whoops. And, of course, missing out Linux, thin client or otherwise.)

  33. DrLoser says:

    Most cases on AWS you are not given direct server control. Only cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP.

    Pure essence of gibberish. Apart from anything else (I defer to TEG), in what conceivable universe is this a justification for missing out FreeBSD, Solaris, heck, even Amiga from the following lunatic assertion?

    Yes its one of those really sux badly things. Windows and OS X users cannot have full management control on Amazon Web Services without paying VMWare some money.

    I am so looking forward to watching TEG demolish your nitwit claims on this one, oiaohm.

  34. oiaohm says:

    That Exploit Guy Hogwash to you. The AWS Management Console does not allow you to watch a instance OS booting from bios all the way up. AWS Management Console is in fact limited/part control basically as much control as Amazon trusted you with normally and expects you will normally need.

    “Turns out direct server control” I said this for a reason. There is a feature or two missing from “full management control” in the AWS web control interface.

    Most cases on AWS you are not given direct server control. Only cases is that you have a instance doing something super strange. Like not working when everything suggests it should. At that point you can be told by AWS tech support you need a VMWare Horizon View or something else that does the protocol PCoIP. Basically same interface as what is used for AWS workspaces is also used for Amazon administrators to access instances directly.

    That Exploit Guy basically you just challenged me on the absolutely truth again.

  35. That Exploit Guy says:

    Yes its one of those really sux badly things. Windows and OS X users cannot have full management control on Amazon Web Services without paying VMWare some money.

    Hogwash.

    The intellectual properties associated with the remote desktop protocol featured in Amazon WS and VMWare Horizon View are not owned by VMWare at all. Rather, VMWare has to pay in order to have them in their products.

    Also, they only way to facilitate “full management control” of Amazon WS is through its web-based interface or one of the three official mobile applications, and I am pretty certain that your average Windows or OSX box is more than capable of running a friggin’ web browser.

  36. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser wake up you guys have called me a Lier and everything else so I have no reputation any more to protect. So that really destroys any method to force me to answer anything.

  37. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser wake up I am not told you all the terms I play by. You just broke one of my historic reasons why I have not answered things in the past. Any form of threat will see me not answer stuff.

  38. oiaohm says:

    https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/workspaces-zero-client/
    PCoIP Zero Clients includes VMware Horizon View.

    What sort of tom-fool idiot would purchase a top-end “thin client” with the three protocols already mentioned, simply to access Amazon Web Services?
    Because you are using the workspaces zero client feature.

    I can name a business called repo that uses high end thin-clients at every store to run cash registers all data is stored in central server.

    DrLoser
    You refuse to answer: you lose.
    Due to this forget ask for any more cites on thin clients.

    One of the rules of debates don’t answer questions when someone stupidly threatens. Every time you come up with a threat I will end up not answering something to you DrLoser.

  39. DrLoser says:

    Anyway, back to your idle boasts of expertise in “formal debate method,” oiaohm. So far we have two formal debates as yet to be answered.

    Thin client sales expertise:

    1) You claim knowledge of thin-client sales.
    2) I claim you have none whatsoever.
    3) Underpants???

    A statement that you do not lie about something that is absolutely provable

    1) When did I do this?
    2) What did I say?
    3) Why was it a lie?
    4) What is your evidence that it is a “provable” lie?
    5) Would that evidence stand up in court as “absolutely provable?”

    Over to you, Demosthenes of Dubbo!

    I have no wish to humiliate you, Fifi, but the thing about “formal debates” is that …

    You refuse to answer: you lose.

    And since you requested a “formal debate,” you lose on your own terms.

    The lamp-post is that way, Fifi. Over there. Get yer frilly knickers on!

  40. DrLoser says:

    Accessing Amazon Web Services of course.

    Another all-nighter googling for completely obscure and irrelevant crap, I see, Fifi.

    Now, take the Dramamine, settle down in a comfy chair, and consider the following question:

    What sort of tom-fool idiot would purchase a top-end “thin client” with the three protocols already mentioned, simply to access Amazon Web Services?

    That is, quite honestly, the stupidest and most ridiculously unlikely use case I have heard proposed in a very long while.

    I’m sure you can do even better, though.

  41. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser
    VMware Horizon client on Linux out there. And do you know what it’s used for?
    Accessing Amazon Web Services of course. Turns out direct server control at AWS using the same protocol as VMWare. No they are not using VMWare they have directly license the same encoding from the vendor VMWare did business with.

    Yes its one of those really sux badly things. Windows and OS X users cannot have full management control on Amazon Web Services without paying VMWare some money. What did you only think the VMware Horizon View was only for connect to VMWare servers.

    Citrix ICA/HDX is also used by a different group of cloud providers and of course RDP is needed by a few and some out there require spice as well. Welcome to the fun of remote server management it just as bad as thin-clients.

    One question here for you, oiaohm: which remote protocol would you recommend for access to a *nix server?
    Exactly what is the server running on and what you are attempting todo. Inside KVM or Xen best option can be Redhat protocol spice as you can be connected as the server is booting. Of course paid for Xen Citrix ICA/HDX.

    Spice uses less network bandwidth than RDP for the same results.

    If you have something running in virtualbox its remote access is RDP.

    There are quite a few spice supporting thin-clients out there.

    https://www.igel.com/products/supported-solutions/supported-server-infrastructures/access-to-virtual-desktop-infrastructures/red-hat-enterprise-virtualization.html

    Yes it will drive you nuts dealing with thin clients acquired from different vendors. Yes igel ones don’t include RDP or Citrix ICA/HDX. A Linux server does not mind providing spice and rdp at the same time. There are some pure spice clients as well.

    http://www.jieyung.com/en/product.asp?wid=195
    These get nice RDP and spice none of the other protocols.

    I would put RDP and Spice up there for being preferred yet I have used NX in the past as well.

  42. DrLoser says:

    I am not going to lie about my methods.

    You don’t have methods, oiaohm. Don’t confuse yourself with Sherlock Holmes.

    All you have is continuous brain-dead babble, interspersed with largely irrelevant links that you have lovingly curated for the last five years, whether or not you can comprehend their meaning. Which wouldn’t be so terrible, but the Ceaseless Walls of Gibberish … the Ceaseless Walls of Gibberish … Dear Lord!

    Just one, simple, provable, fact about IT, Fifi. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. Every single other person on this site would be able to come up with one.

    And I pretty much guarantee, without seeing it, that yours will be stupendously ignorant and horribly false.

    Because, if anything, that is your “method,” Shirley.

  43. DrLoser says:

    Rule 1: do not lie about something that is absolutely provable.

    Exccellent! Formal debate #2! (And don’t go Gish-Galloping away and forget Formal debate #1, which concerned your experiences as a Microsoft Var who also sells Thin Client Solutions.)

    This is a fun game, Fifi. Tell me, given your evident proposition that I have “lied about something that is absolutely provable:

    1) When did I do this?
    2) What did I say?
    3) Why was it a lie?
    4) What is your evidence that it is a “provable” lie?
    5) Would that evidence stand up in court as “absolutely provable?”

    Over to you, Demosthenes of Dubbo!

  44. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser RDP can be fully free both ends you are forgetting xrdp and weston RDP. Both Linux/Unix based RDP server solutions there are a few commercial RDP servers for Linux as well like ThinLinc. Linux admins normally do refer to it as Microsoft RDP as well. So that combination of 3 covers all end users only those with tunnel vision like you DrLoser would think that does not include Linux users.

    One question here for you, oiaohm: which remote protocol would you recommend for access to a *nix server?

    Because, if you’re going to claim that it is one of Citrix® ICA/HDXâ„¢, Microsoft® RDPâ„¢ with RemoteFXâ„¢, VMware® Horizon Viewâ„¢, then you’d be even more of a “special snowflake” than you have yet shown yourself to be.

    DrLoser there is something very shocking. Linux software prices and Windows software prices are very different.

    Why is that shocking, Fifi? Linux users are cheapskates. I’m more than happy to accept that I was wrong, and there is in fact a “free” VMware Horizon client on Linux out there. And do you know what it’s used for?

    A virtual Windows desktop, that’s what. I’m sure you can see where this is going, financially speaking.

    Of course, I’m absolutely certain that you can provide evidence that VMware Horizon Clients are used to access a Linux server.

    That would, of course, be the next step in your “formal debate method.”

  45. oiaohm says:

    DrZealot you do Gish Galloping all the time by mass posting and repeat posting.

    Problem is I am willing to admit I do it.

    This is Rule 2: do not incriminate yourself
    Rule 1: do not lie about something that is absolutely provable.

    I am not going to lie about my methods. Yet for some reason when you use exactly the same methods you want to throw stones at me.

  46. DrLoser says:

    That Exploit Guy remember it was you who thought a complier assigned buffer unassigned contained random data.

    A complete and total misrepresentation of what TEG actually pointed out, Fifi.

    More Gish Galloping, I think.

  47. oiaohm says:

    And, since the protocols on offer in the marketing collateral are Citrix® ICA/HDX™, Microsoft® RDP™ with RemoteFX™, VMware® Horizon View™, I think we can be reasonably certain that the target audience is one that will use them to connect to Windows servers.
    DrLoser RDP can be fully free both ends you are forgetting xrdp and weston RDP. Both Linux/Unix based RDP server solutions there are a few commercial RDP servers for Linux as well like ThinLinc. Linux admins normally do refer to it as Microsoft RDP as well. So that combination of 3 covers all end users only those with tunnel vision like you DrLoser would think that does not include Linux users.

    http://www.vmware.com/download/view-linux-howto.html

    DrLoser there is something very shocking. Linux software prices and Windows software prices are very different.

    The reality here is thin-client vendors don’t pay vmware for the Horizon view client. Just like a lot of Linux distrobutions don’t pay either.

    https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/details?downloadGroup=VIEW-501-CLIENTS-EN&productId=242&rPId=2418
    Is this not strange to get what you pointed me at that I had to buy there is no Linux Client binaries.

    DrLoser this is what happens when someone thinks google is a source of knowledge . Tell me where are the Linux vmware view binaires. That right on archive.canonical.com server as a free download and in google play free for android. Windows and OS X versions you have to pay to download and install as those come from my.vmware.com. Yes what vmware provides is open to the public if you know where to look.

    Yes the program might be the same program and might be the same name but Windows and OS X users have to pay and Linux users don’t have to.

    The Vmware Horizon View client is also free on Android go look it up in google play is simple to find.

    DrLoser said reality You have to pay for it. is just you spreading another lie. You have to pay for Vmware Horizon View client application if you are an OS X or Window user. Linux desktop and Android Vmware Horizon View client application cost is free. The zero cost is why Vmware Horizon View popular with thin-client vendors making Linux thin-clients and you see it missing a lot from Windows thin-clients.

    DrLoser what protocols are included on a thin-client are related to how much it cost the thin-client vendor to include that protocol and how many customers and performance.

  48. DrLoser says:

    “Gish Gallop” or in spoken debate its called “spreading” defeat method that you learn from debating. Is truly know your topic. From there you can pick out 1 or 2 points that are truly incorrect.

    Its also the lawyers method of sending a mountain of unrelated documents to hide the 1 document that kills the case.

    So, what you’re saying here, Fifi, is that you are prepared (like said lawyers) to spread as much disinformation as possible in order to hide your main point?

    Somehow, that doesn’t sound like a “formal debating method” to me. It just sounds like a pathetic attempt to pretend to be an unqualified and incapable lawyer.

    In other words, you stand convicted through your own testament of Gish Galloping. Rule Number One when you are either a lawyer or a protagonist in a “formal debate,” Fifi: do not incriminate yourself.

    “Formal debate methods” appear to be yet one more thing that you are hopelessly underqualified to deal with, oiaohm.

  49. DrLoser says:

    I am using nothing more than a formal debate method.

    Excellent. Then let us begin.

    1) You claim knowledge of thin-client sales.
    2) I claim you have none whatsoever.
    3) Underpants???

    Just a teasy-weasy little hint would do, O Demosthenes of Dubbo!

    Frankly, I doubt you’d recognise a “formal debate” if it crept up behind you and made “come hither, my pretty!” cooing noises.

  50. DrLoser says:

    I assume this RFC might have got lost in the noise below, and I’m sure it will be answered eventually. So, as a reminder:

    Incidentally, Fifi, didn’t you claim (at several points) that you were a “Microsoft VAR?” It occurs to me that, since you are evidently supremely knowledgeable about commercial “thin clients,” that you must surely have “value-added resold” such things to the teeming millions of potential customers in or around, say, Dubbo.

    Do feel free to share with us your sales experiences in this particular market.

    You do, of course, have experience selling into the Thin Client Market, don’t you, oioahm? The scale doesn’t matter. An anecdote or two would do, along the lines of Dougie marching in and throwing some little old lady’s backup CDs into the crusher.

    You know, something inspiring.

  51. oldfart says:

    ” Those of us who enjoy the stuff get to be paid/appreciated by those who don’t.”

    Actually Robert Pogson, you have just described my current Job 😉

  52. DrLoser says:

    Citrix and the VMware® Horizon View protocol clients cost the thin-client vendor zero dollars.

    You have a unique definition of “free,” don’t you, oiaohm?

    In the case of Horizon View, it isn’t even “free” on the thin client side. You have to pay for it.

    In the case of ICA/HDX, the client receiver is indeed “free.” Also completely worthless unless you stump up for the server software, which starts at something like $1K.

    RDESKTOP (RDP) is also “free” at the client side, and in fact is effectively “free” at the server side — provided you only ever have two sessions logged in to a Windows Server. (This from memory; I may be out of date.) After that, you pay per CAL.

    Sounds like Microsoft® RDPâ„¢ with RemoteFXâ„¢ is the way to go, really, since it genuinely is “free as in beer” at both ends.

    But, no, oiaohm. You can wriggle around as much as you like on this one, but with all three protocols in a realistic production environment, you are going to pay the equivalent of a Voldemort Tax, either on the client or on the server side.

    And you’re therefore going to pay it three times over.

    Yes if a person buys 100 Linux based thinclients and does not go with a Citrix or VMware they make anything

    Yes if a person buys 100 Linux based thinclients men in white coats will come and take them away … same with any thin clients on any OS …

    … I assume, oiaohm, you are referring to the purchasing officers of a middling to large commercial or governmental organization.

    In which case, you are right.

    And I am equally right in stating that Citrix and VMware will make nothing if you take each and every one of those “thin clients” and toss them off a cliff.

    Newsflash! When an organization buys a hundred of these things, they tend to want to use them in a client-server environment. I have a shrewd suspicion that this is why they are referred to as “thin clients.”

    And, since the protocols on offer in the marketing collateral are Citrix® ICA/HDX™, Microsoft® RDP™ with RemoteFX™, VMware® Horizon View™, I think we can be reasonably certain that the target audience is one that will use them to connect to Windows servers.

  53. oldfart wrote, “So now I’m Aunt Sally, eh Robert Pogson.”

    Many families have some “eccentric” personality. My family considers me rather eccentric but still useful… I am endlessly surprised that my offspring are not all carbon-copies.

  54. oldfart wrote, “my wife will tell me to “go play with my toys”.”

    I often say my age is six (decades). There’s a company in Vancouver with the motto, “The Only Difference Between Men And Boys Is The Price Of Their Toys”… Yep. I also say that welding is one of the few jobs where a young man can be well-paid to play with fireworks all day long. The fact that such play and such toys are useful to others is interesting as well. IT is a bit like that. Those of us who enjoy the stuff get to be paid/appreciated by those who don’t.

  55. oldfart says:

    “No one needs to read oldfart’s comments if they don’t want. ”

    Agreed. I figure Lil’ Hammie could take such advice to heart.

  56. oldfart says:

    “It’s not a toy. ”

    I realize that. But often when I am working with something house related, my wife will tell me to “go play with my toys”.

    Anyway, Enjoy.

  57. oiaohm wrote, “Oldfart is nothing more than a spammer because he cannot get his way.”

    I don’t consider a macro as spamming at all. I use autokey-gtk to generate a dozen macros for this site. e.g. I can select text with mouse, and paste a quotation via the “Press” plugin for WordPress, with HTML & CSS in two key-strokes, select the pasted text, alt-q replaces it with my template, and CTRL-V re-inserts the quotation . That’s not spamming, just using IT to help do the job. No one needs to read oldfart’s comments if they don’t want. Lately, his comments have been somewhat off-topic anyway. Just skip them.

  58. oldfart wrote, “I hope you enjoy putting together your new toy from China”.

    It’s not a toy. I will start assembling the big pieces this afternoon when the temperature rises a bit out there. There aren’t complete assembly instructions but it seems to me once I install the wheels onto the transmission it will be easier to handle and I can then install everything on that platform. The big issues are lifting the heavy big pieces like the engine and the rototiller. The transmission gives some leverage because of the long shafts so it can be tilted fairly easily to install a wheel. I will start welding a ~1000lb frame for hoisting the engine. That’s probably all I can do today. Then tomorrow when the weather is even warmer, I can assemble the rest.

    While this thing could be considered a toy for an old guy like me, I am serious about growing my own food and this thing should increase the productivity of my land seriously, improving drainage, weed-control and incorporation of organic matter. The price of oil may have fallen for now but the price of food has stayed rather higher than I like so I intend to grow most of the fruit/vegetables we need for me and my family. Combined with hunting, my activities will put some kind of upper limit on food costs in future years. This is a serious investment taking a few years to break even.

    From my brief examination of the equipment, I can say it is well built and sturdy. I have the battery charging now but it wasn’t frozen so must have been charged upon delivery. I could have the thing running by the weekend.

  59. oldfart says:

    “oldfart felling picked on not at all. Are you forgeting the TMR stream is open to everyone to read.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  60. oiaohm says:

    From TMR stream
    Pooor Lil’ Hammie the troll. He outed himself with his own words and now he is feeling picked on.
    olderman olderman
    Jan. 7, 2015, 6:38 a.m.
    permalink

    And it would seem that Lil’Hammie is now attempting to shut me up by trying to manipulate the blog that is not to be named to ban me. I would say that my stance has ruffled the little fellas feathers.

    oldfart felling picked on not at all. Are you forgeting the TMR stream is open to everyone to read.

    Little issue here its not about me at all. The total reality is that oldfart has lost his way and so to make himself feel better has to pick on someone.

    Basically anyone who does not do what oldfart wants is a Troll. Why should I reward a sick bully like oldfart with anything he demands. A bully deserves to have their demands never answered.

  61. oiaohm says:

    oldfart only a nut case would use a macro to attempt to get your point of view.

  62. oldfart says:

    “Old “aunt Sally” may be crazy, but she’s still family. I don’t punish folks for being old and cranky like me…”

    Damn… So now I’m Aunt Sally, eh Robert Pogson. Well I guess its better than being a troll like Lil’ Hammie.

    Any Rate, Happy New Year to you and yours and I hope you enjoy putting together your new toy from China.

  63. mhoiao says:

    Oldfart has without question connected a completely automated bot to your site Robert Pogson.

    Oldfart all you will successfully do by this stupidity at best have me change my handle. You will never get an answer.

  64. oldfart says:

    “oldfart a good competition debater is a good liar and fraud. So that is in fact a high complement. Thank you for all the complements over the years.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  65. oldfart says:

    “Oldfart is nothing more than a spammer because he cannot get his way.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  66. oiaohm says:

    Also this spamming is allowing oldfart to attempt to big note himself on TMR. This is how the TMR idiots work. Hey its cool to attack people. TMR guys are nothing more than a stupid pack of bullys who like patting each other on the back.

  67. oiaohm says:

    http://mrpogson.com/2015/01/04/2015-could-well-be-the-year-of-the-linux-thin-client/#comment-233734
    Robert Pogson read this carefuly Oldfart is nothing more than a spammer because he cannot get his way.

  68. oiaohm says:

    Old “aunt Sally” may be crazy, but she’s still family. I don’t punish folks for being old and cranky like me
    Problem here is difference between a little and a lot.

    Also read carefully that oldfart has done the insane of setting up a automacro and is completely incompetent at doing it.

  69. oldfart says:

    “Robert Pogson fair enough maybe the fact the oldfart know that his stunts are being watched will never attempt it again.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  70. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson fair enough maybe the fact the oldfart know that his stunts are being watched will never attempt it again.

  71. oiaohm wrote, “he deserves a temporary ban for even attempting that.”

    Old “aunt Sally” may be crazy, but she’s still family. I don’t punish folks for being old and cranky like me…

  72. oiaohm wrote, “TMR is meant to exist to collect facts to destroy zealots yet has just become a home to zealots itself.”

    It’s called paranoia. There’s always some faction that believes some other faction must be destroyed in order to save the world. FLOSS on ARM is just good IT but it’s different than what some folks find comfortable, so they fear/loathe it. Meanwhile, M$’s margins are shrinking, approaching values of a legitimate business, and those folks defend the ripoff artists. The rest of us will just ignore TMR and their bigots and carry on, getting good/more IT for a better price.

    When Wintel was at the height of its power, in the early 2000s, those folks were happy that others could not afford IT at all or that IT was crappy and required endless re-re-reboots because it created jobs for supporters of Wintel. Overall Wintel has been a force for evil, denying IT to billions. That’s wrong. FLOSS on ARM has opened the floodgates in Africa, Asia and South America and the TMR folks cannot put the genie of IT back in the bottle. Too bad for them. Great for the rest of us.

  73. oldfart says:

    “oldfart thank you for you response.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  74. oldfart says:

    ” Of course I am stubborn against a prove-able true disruptor of sites.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  75. oldfart says:

    Robert Pogson:

    This is your site And I will abide by your feelings on Lil’ Hammies request. If you wish me to cease with my response to this Troll on your site, then I shall do so.

    But please note that this particular response to this particular poster is only for him. This is because I refuse from this point on to feed Lil’ Hammie the Troll. For anyone else I choose to respond to will be given the courtesy of a unique response.

    I await you feedback.

  76. oiaohm says:

    luvr I wish TMR was satire. Unfortunately some of the people who hang out there are jerks spreading incorrect facts.

    Unfortunately lot of them don’t believes in fighting their own battles so attempts to bring groups of people to sites to spam over the top of someone they don’t like. Basically perform a “Gish Gallop“/“spreading” on a site using multi people.

    This is not the first or last time olderman has attempted to be a conductor to people at TMR site actions. Also this has not be just against me. Of course I am stubborn against a prove-able true disruptor of sites.

    TMR is meant to exist to collect facts to destroy zealots yet has just become a home to zealots itself. First before attempting to destroy zealots you should know what a zealot is.

  77. luvr says:

    Is TMR even a serious site?
    To me, it feels more like satire, or at least an attempt at satire.
    Could just as well be my bad character, though… 🙂

  78. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson you might as well go over to TMR and check out the stream and see olderman who is oldfart calling for assistance spamming here.

    In fact he deserves a temporary ban for even attempting that.

  79. oiaohm says:

    oldfart thank you for you response.

  80. oldfart says:

    “oldfart I will thank you for every reply you send even if it a form letter response.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  81. oiaohm wrote, “Some of these terms is NDA. Releasing source code is breach of NDA”.

    There’s one big hole in “software patents”. If the patent application does not reveal the source code it should be denied outright. That NDA should be irrelevant.

  82. oiaohm says:

    oldfart a good competition debater is a good liar and fraud. So that is in fact a high complement. Thank you for all the complements over the years.

  83. oiaohm says:

    oldfart I will thank you for every reply you send even if it a form letter response.

    You just don’t get it. I have proven Exploit guy and DrLoser as liers yet for some reason you have no issue with them.

    You also tell lies and miss information yourself oldfart.

  84. oiaohm says:

    oldfart lets see how much of a spammer you become this is going to be funny.

  85. oldfart says:

    “oldfart, That Exploit Guy and DrZealot have used the “Gish Gallop“. method. ”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  86. oldfart says:

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a demonstrated liar and fraud. You will get no other answer than this until you demonstrate your purported expertise in the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

    Until then Piss off!

  87. oiaohm says:

    oldfart, That Exploit Guy and DrZealot have used the “Gish Gallop“. method. The simple reality here you don’t like it when some else use the same method back on you.

    Unsubstantiated points are true but the problem that kills you is if you truly do know the topic you will be able to filter out those that are correct and those that are false. The problem you guys get it wrong all the time. You pull me up on a point that as absolute fact.

    I am using nothing more than a formal debate method.

    That Exploit Guy remember it was you who thought a complier assigned buffer unassigned contained random data.

    “Gish Gallop” or in spoken debate its called “spreading” defeat method that you learn from debating. Is truly know your topic. From there you can pick out 1 or 2 points that are truly incorrect.

    Its also the lawyers method of sending a mountain of unrelated documents to hide the 1 document that kills the case.

    If you TMR were truly about defeating myths you should have absolutely no problem with the method I am using.

  88. That Exploit Guy says:

    *in order to make replying

  89. That Exploit Guy says:

    Perhaps others of us who do not enjoy playing with your head will decide that enough is enough and will decide to call you out on a topic that they know that you have fraudulently represented expertise on, but in my case, I will never debate with you again.

    Tell me about it.

    The problem with debating with oiaohm, though, is that he has a penchant to reply in solid walls of text each littered with dozens upon dozens of dubious, unsubstantiated points made up on the spot in order to replying and point-by-point debunking difficult.

    There is even a name for this debating technique: it’s called the “Gish Gallop“.

    Who knew Pogson and his ilk are no better than creationists?

  90. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson
    That makes no sense. Patents are about revealing methods. Knowing the method in IT means anyone can do the same with a licence or after the expiry of the patents.

    I agree it make almost no sense. You want Patent license the patent license holder will sell you license as long as you agree to their terms. Some of these terms is NDA. Releasing source code is breach of NDA result is closed source binaries even that you could look up the method on the official patents.

    Robert Pogson basically lawyers + Patents + NDA’s equals mess.

    http://www.teradici.com/about-us/notice-of-intellectual-property-rights

    Yes in some cases it gets insanely funny that the publicly list what the patents are yet this still does not allow you to implement an open source client.

    Teradici is the VMWare one there is another company behind Citrix that has a patented compression method as well and yes if you want to implement that you have to agree to a patent license with NDA.

    At some point someone has to see common sense and say stuff it we need a ISO format for remote desktop that is not patent land mined.

    VMware View Open Client has an option source form missing the Teradici stuff because VMware cannot legally release it. Yes every one of VMWares own developed remote access protocols is open source.

    Yes it gets even more insane.
    http://www.teradici.com/third-party-licenses
    The teradici product could not exist without open source.

    The Citrix one is just as insane. This is why DrZealot is so wrong. The problem with Citrix and VMWare acting like monopoly is coming from the parties both of them have done business with. Historically VMWare and Citrix have been very open on their over the wire protocols. The recent change in this behavior is the allowance for software patents.

    Side effects of software patents are nasty.

  91. oiaohm wrote, “The main reason why Citrix and VMware client software are not open source is Patents.”

    That makes no sense. Patents are about revealing methods. Knowing the method in IT means anyone can do the same with a licence or after the expiry of the patents. I doubt either have many years to go on a patent because just about everything has been patented long ago and software patents are on their last legs.

  92. oiaohm says:

    oldfart this is not your debate. The is Robert Blog. So the debates here are technically his. So you have no right at all to tell me to Piss Off.

    This is the problem why you hit wall we me.

    oldfart remember exploit guy he thought he knew his topic. Other have called me out and I have dropped them. One case that I have walked away and gone all out maybe you should call yourself lucky.

  93. oiaohm says:

    Yes if a person buys 100 Linux based thinclients and does not go with a Citrix or VMware they make anything.
    I should not be obtuse with a moron like DrZealot.

    Citrix and VMware makes the thin client software so they have paid the patent license fees. So yes they have technically made a loss if a 100 clients go out and no one uses there solution. But does it matter how much does it cost to make the software since that is recovered by their users they don’t need to care.

    The main reason why Citrix and VMware client software are not open source is Patents. Not like Citrix or VMware in fact gain anything keeping the client software closed source other than expanded maintenance bill.

  94. oldfart says:

    “Oldfart you cannot even keep your own word. This time you have changed your response.”

    I am glad that we understand each other Lil’ Hammie, you will continue to post, and I will continue to call you out. And Oh BTW should someone ask I will give them the story. Perhaps others of us who do not enjoy playing with your head will decide that enough is enough and will decide to call you out on a topic that they know that you have fraudulently represented expertise on, but in my case, I will never debate with you again. But since you are such a stickler on exact wording, I will make a macro that will give you the same response that you deserve each time you presume to stick your snout into my debate.

    Piss off Lil’Hammie!

  95. oiaohm says:

    DrZealot its not surprising.
    http://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/linux/receiver-for-linux-130.html
    Citrix and the VMware® Horizon View protocol clients cost the thin-client vendor zero dollars.

    Microsoft® RDP™ with RemoteFX™
    DrZealot this is why you are a idiot. Microsoft does not release a RDP client for Linux at all. What is this really.
    http://blog.ittoby.com/2013/05/using-raspberry-pi-as-thin-client-for.html
    Yes build your own thinclient its rdesktop or xfreerdp. By a Linux based thinclient it is still rdesktop or xfreerdp.

    The reality none of these protocols are expensively licensed to the thin-client vendor. RDP may be coming from a Linux server.

    They use to offer VNC out box as well until that got too fragmented.

    Citrix and VMware don’t make any money from thin-clients. Thin-clients are loss leaders to Citrix and VMware to sell server product. Yes if a person buys 100 Linux based thinclients and does not go with a Citrix or VMware they make anything.

    Microsoft on the other hand might have done patent claims or other things to make profit.

  96. DrLoser says:

    Lest we forget:

    Protocols: Citrix® ICA/HDX™, Microsoft® RDP™ with RemoteFX™, VMware® Horizon View™

    Recommended by Robert Pogson! (Who, incidentally, does not lean on a lamp-post in the suburbs of Dubbo whilst wearing a red leather mini-skirt and fish-net stockings. I have this on good authority.

    (Although he does occasionally like to pretend to be a frog and see how hot a boiling pan can get, before he jumps out of it. Which would obviously be made much more difficult in high heels. Thus the good authority I cite above.)

  97. DrLoser says:

    All that is free on Linux thin-clients.

    Surprising that all the best-selling thin clients offer the expensive, licensed, alternatives of Citrix, VMware, and Microsoft, then, isn’t it, Fifi?

    Never mind, that’s three “illegal monopolies” you can bother yourself about, rather than just one.

    Incidentally, Fifi, didn’t you claim (at several points) that you were a “Microsoft VAR?” It occurs to me that, since you are evidently supremely knowledgeable about commercial “thin clients,” that you must surely have “value-added resold” such things to the teeming millions of potential customers in or around, say, Dubbo.

    Do feel free to share with us your sales experiences in this particular market.

    Did they feature a red leather mini-skirt, fish-net stockings, and a convenient lamp-post?

  98. ram wrote, “Intel did for a time engage in some underhanded tactics”.

    Yeah, like paying OEMs not to install AMD’s chips… That’s not underhanded. That’s illegal and governments really harmed consumers by not stopping that promptly. Why wasn’t Intel treated as any organized criminals would be with wire-taps, searches and jail-time? Instead all we got was a one-time cash-payment to AMD which did nothing to undo the harm done to the market. There should have been enforced market-sharing or a pause in operations or whatever to actually give the market incentives to correct the market-share. AMD did miss the boat on small cheap computers but so did Intel. The big issue was servers and desktops where AMD could only approach 20% share with chips with adequate performance and half the cost. I never bought an Intel processor after about 1992 because there was just no cost-advantage, no price/performance advantage. When AMD failed to adopt ARM or produce competitive small CPUs, I dropped them too. I’m really interested in ARM which is real competition at a good price.

  99. ram wrote, “VIA was always extremely hostile to Linux, until VIA went under. Serves them right!”

    The thin client we use here runs GNU/Linux. The only trouble we had with VIA was the video driver and openchrome seems to work. I haven’t heard of their demise. At least their website still runs.

  100. oiaohm says:

    oldfart Yes I am cool with it as when I say I will never answer something I absolutely mean it. No matter what the other person attempts I will just laugh at them. You have done the same thing for years yet you must be brain dead to think that is going to effect me oldfart if it has not yet.

    Oldfart if the idea of peer pressure or other bulling methods will work on me you have me completely wrong. No matter what you do I will always post.

    Oldfart you cannot even keep your own word. This time you have changed your response.

    DrLoser you should keep out of the topic. Linux thin-clients do the same protocols as Windows thin-clients.

    1) The state-of-the-art terminal emulation to access a Microsoft Server (RDP)
    2) The state-of-the-art terminal emulation to access any other Microsoft network (Citrix)
    3) The state-of-the art terminal emulation to access Solaris or AIX or HP-UX. Or, if you’re feeling masochistic, Linux. (VMware)

    All that is free on Linux thin-clients.

    Citrix is Xen. Xen Dom0 is Linux. So both VMware and Citrix solutions are custom Micro-kernels with Linux kernel assisting at core. So the best thin-clients for Citrix are Linux based. The so called best for VMware are those horible Teradici/PCoIP things followed closely by Linux based.

    The best for RDP can be Windows based ones for a few years. What is the problem it is the fact Windows based ones are just like PC they don’t get free OS upgrades so end up forced onto a tread mill.

    All rounder is Linux based with standard distribution form at core ok not perfect at everything in thin-client but not either absolutely limited and not like Windows or Teradici/PCoIP ones forcing the use of out of date protocols with the only way to fix that replace the complete device.

    Windows only thin-clients are dropping out of favor. Majority of Windows thin-clients today have option to install a Linux based thin-client image. Kinda makes sense device gets old to maintain security remove Windows.

    HP standard distribution on Linux based at core of thin clients is a Debian and Dell is a SUSE. It would be nice if they were more unified.

  101. oldfart says:

    “This is a response Hey I am cool with this.”

    just to be clear, you will continue to get the response that I have been giving you up until now if you choose to put your comments in to a discussion that I am having.

    is this still cool Lil’Hammie?

  102. DrLoser says:

    And also none of these thin clients seem to support anmything other than the protocols from the 3 major UDI providers Microsoft, VMWare and Citrix.

    First of all, there’s a clear distinction between a “thin client” that is reclaimed from semi-retired commodity hardware (the sort that Robert uses and very reasonably promotes) and a “thin client” used as part of a commercial strategy (the sort that Robert continually posts but has never actually seen).

    I’m not picking on Robert here. It seems to be a general hobby-horse here to confuse the two. The fact is, the markets (in the sense that there is even a market in the former case) are quite clearly distinct.

    It’s hardly surprising that commercial operations go for $500+ thin clients with Microsoft (RDP), VMware, and Citrix. Which, btw, is a Voldemort Tax three times over. For that extra $100 in licencing (or whatever it is), you get:

    1) The state-of-the-art terminal emulation to access a Microsoft Server (RDP)
    2) The state-of-the-art terminal emulation to access any other Microsoft network (Citrix)
    3) The state-of-the art terminal emulation to access Solaris or AIX or HP-UX. Or, if you’re feeling masochistic, Linux. (VMware)

    What you don’t get is some lashed-together junk platform concocted by a man in a tin-foil hat sitting in the northern NSW bush.

    Of course, we could always put this experiment to the test. oiaohm, when are you going to use your vast expertise to sell thin clients to global corporations?

    Heck, you can even build in an IBM SAN Volume controller console, as a Unique Selling Point.

  103. oldfart says:

    I just noticed this:

    “There’s no reason at all that all of those thin clients can’t run GNU/Linux on ARM.”

    Other than they are marketed sold and (in most cases that I know) supported as well as acquired solely as simple function thin client. Any other capabilities that they might have are complete irrelevant.

    While such niceties may not be important to you, they ARE important to the businesses that purchase the thin clients in the first place.

  104. ram says:

    Just a note, VIA was always extremely hostile to Linux, until VIA went under. Serves them right!

  105. ram says:

    Although Intel did for a time engage in some underhanded tactics, AMD made, and continues to make, its own mistakes. There have been some highly qualified and experienced AMD Senior Vice Presidents that did want to pursue a Linux friendly strategy but some board members shot them down and also sacked them. Dumb, dumb, and dumber. Shades of Nokia. Right now the only entity propping up AMD is ironically Intel (which DOES NOT want to become a monopoly due to regulatory issues).

  106. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy there were illegal deals done by Intel like Microsoft did with OS licensing. Intel was giving cheaper chips to those who agreed not to sell anything else. In fact discounting this way is in fact illegal.

    Unfortunately those issues have done major harm to AMD, IBM and VIA. Yes the 3 non Intel vendors of x86. Most likely going to be ARM chip vendors like Samsung that attempt to bring balance back.

    Also AMD is entering the ARM chip business.

  107. Deaf Spy says:

    I still have not forgiven Intel for illegal anti-competitive actions against AMD and others

    In truth, I think you can’t forgive them PentiumD. 🙂

  108. ram wrote, “there is also no reason they can’t be running GNU/Linux, or even Intel/Linux on Intel Atoms.”

    I still have not forgiven Intel for illegal anti-competitive actions against AMD and others. As well, I find Intel processors have a price-premium they don’t deserve. There’s no reason to pay more for a processor that will mostly be idling when ARM working hard will do the job. GNU/Linux can run on ARM as well as on x86.

  109. ram says:

    Robert Pogson said: “There’s no reason at all that all of those thin clients can’t run GNU/Linux on ARM.”

    True, but there is also no reason they can’t be running GNU/Linux, or even Intel/Linux on Intel Atoms. Intel, Shuttle, and others already sell (and have sold for years) small fanless computers based on the Intel Atom chip. They have a proven track record of being very Linux friendly (native in fact) and work well in the field.

    Look around, you’ll see them: on the backs of monitors in banks, under store counters as attached to POS displays and barcode readers, attached to digital signage. stacked as clusters in server rooms — they are all over the place. I can understand why — I have never encountered one that failed. I’m sure some do, under certain circumstances, but they are vastly tougher than Microsoft PC’s.

  110. oiaohm says:

    Oldfart
    Babble all you want lil’ hammie, nothing you say is of any meaning to me any more. If you make the demonstration that I require of you,then I will respond to your comments

    But not before.
    This is a response Hey I am cool with this.

  111. Oldfart says:

    Babble all you want lil’ hammie, nothing you say is of any meaning to me any more. If you make the demonstration that I require of you,then I will respond to your comments

    But not before.

  112. Oldfart says:

    Unfortunately androids helpful speller is preventing me from using the right word

    But I think that is have made myself clear

  113. oiaohm says:

    Oldfart apparently I am correct that you don’t know the topic of thin-clients so want to attempt to force me into a off topic. You got it wrong so take it on the chin.

    I will take every time you ask for IBM San volume controller as that I am right.

  114. Oldfart says:

    Lil’hammie liar and fraud, nothing you babble towards me will be responded to in any other way unless you demonstrate expertise in the IBM San volume controller

    Now possible off lil’ Jammie.

  115. oiaohm says:

    oldfart thin-clients is a very specialist field with many ways using google to find a thin-client can be deceptive. I said Samsung TV’s for price because Samsung Thin-clients use Odd ball processor with fairly high cost.

    There are many thin-clients out there with multi OS images to choose from. Its like a wyse 5000 series there are ones that come with Windows that can have SUSE or Thin OS placed on them. Ok not like you are going to pay the 100 dollars more if you don’t want the Windows license for some reason.

    Wyse thin clients are not the type that are only what they were when they came out box.

    oldfart if you knew your thin-clients you would have looked up HP not Dell. HP sells a lot of OS type locked thin-clients.

  116. oiaohm says:

    oldfart I am not a lier and a fraud you were the one that claimed

    dell wyse D10D Thin OS does not in fact support all those protocols out box.

    ANd also none of these thin clients seem to support anmything other than the protocols from the 3 major UDI providers Microsoft, VMWare and Citrix.
    This here is false for a D10D on so many counts.

    1 a D10D can support protocols other than Microsoft VMWare or Citrix because it can run local applications. Not out box D50D that is sold running SUSE is identical hardware. The difference between a D10D and a D50D is what OS is loaded on the firmware they sell for exactly the same price.

    Control software of Dell Wyse set what software is installed on the thin-cleints. A lot of the Thin OS or SUSE models can have server ordered OS change to the other one. So a D10D might support more protocols or less.

  117. oldfart says:

    Until you prove that you are not a fraud by demonstrating your expertise with the IBM SAN Volume Controller.

  118. oldfart says:

    “dell wyse D10D with thin OS also does not support all those protools. It again is another Teradici/PCoIP Zero Client.”

    Lil’ Hammie, You are a liar and a fraud who is not welcome in any discussion that I am a part of.

    Piss off Lil’ Hammie.

  119. oiaohm says:

    dell wyse D10D with thin OS also does not support all those protools. It again is another Teradici/PCoIP Zero Client.

    VMWare has 3 protocols for thin-clients. Majority of thin clients in fact support zero of VMWare protocols. Instead support Teradici/PCoIP that is a third party to VMWare that VMWare happen to support. So claiming supporting VMWare is kinda wrong. Its annoying marketing speak.

    Samsung NC241 and other things from Samsung called thin-clients only support 1 protocol end of story. Those include the Teradici custom silicon and that costs more than quite a decent arm processor. So you pay more for a pure Teradici client with 512 megs of ram than a Client with a quad core arm chip with 1 G of ram and 2G of flash.

  120. oiaohm says:

    olderman dell wyse is an AMD x86 based what makes it about 100 more than arm equals.

    21 inch screen is not 600 dollars for a thin-client.

    By the way this is why oldman is so incompetent.

    ANd also none of these thin clients seem to support anmything other than the protocols from the 3 major UDI providers Microsoft, VMWare and Citrix.
    Samsung NC241 It only support Teradici/PCoIP Zero Client ….

    dell wyse D10D with thin OS also does not support all those protools. It again is another Teradici/PCoIP Zero Client.

    Basically Microsoft and Citrix can go screw themselves with the models you choose.

  121. oldfart says:

    Whoops, I changed computers to one that has my superseded nym.

    It is now corrected.

  122. olderman says:

    Now to be fair to Robert Pogson, you can get cheaper think clients with less features for cheaper. It all depends on what you want to use them for., but I seriously doubt than any business contemplating a conversion to thin client is going to put up with something that displays worse than the computer that it is replacing.

    The moral of this story is that, yes indeed thin clients are finding more and more use cases.

  123. olderman says:

    “And I bet my $600 is nearer the mark.”

    Actually if you need an all-in-one THin client with high resolution screens in format It can set you back over $600!. Take this one from samsung.

    http://www.staples.com/Samsung-NC241-T-Zero-Client-236-LED-Monitor/product_IM1QV9209

    We also looked at this one from wise

    http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Dell-Wyse-D10D-Thin-Client-G-T48E-1.4-GHz-2-GB-0-GB/3062773.aspx

    It was less desirable because you needed to provide a monitor.

    Note that NONE of these thin clients support more than USB 2.0 devices for local storage.

    ANd also none of these thin clients seem to support anmything other than the protocols from the 3 major UDI providers Microsoft, VMWare and Citrix.

    Oh well.

  124. DrLoser says:

    I know they sell direct, oiaohm. Dedicated Googlers are prepared to search a little further, yea unto the third page, just in case info crops up.

    200 to 300 dollars and that is buying from a shark. Under 200 dollars would be expected.

    At least somebody here is prepared to put a figure on it. I’ll even give you the “shark” estimate of $300.

    And I bet my $600 is nearer the mark.

  125. Deaf Spy wrote, “what would these TVs connect to?”

    How about the Internet, a wireless/USB keyboard and mouse, perhaps some USB storage… you know, the usual things GNU/Linux can connect to. What we’re thinking is that the computer embedded in the TV can become more general-purpose, just like a built-in multi-media PC with huge monitor. The hardware is close to what is needed. It’s only a matter of time until someone wanting an edge in the market gets the idea, a $free PC included with your TV.

  126. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy I know this might be kind brand bending but some of the Samsung Tizen tvs have larger flash and more ram and high clockspeed quad core arm chip than Atrust A86.

    Deaf Spy the Samsung tizen TV include the Playstation Now what is basically a Thinclient for games.

    Many contemporary “smart” TVs offer a service to watch movies from the library of some provider. Does that qualify as “thin client”?
    Movie playback I would not say is a thin client. Its being a media centre. These are the old smart tvs. The newer ones are including some forms of thin-clients.

    The question really thinking all the processing power is in the TV to be a RDP or other common standard thin-client how long before they are. Playstation Now requires fairly low latency.

    Its also a question how long before TVs come standard with steam remote connection to PC.

    I am kinda expecting steam and playstations thinclienting for games first. I would not be surprised if one day a general TV is also a general business thin-client. Exactly why produce two different items that contain basically identical hardware.

  127. Deaf Spy says:

    I see it as only a matter of time until we have TVs coming with option thin-client modes.

    Wow, wow, wow, Ohio! And what would these TVs connect to?

    Now, I have a question from you. Many contemporary “smart” TVs offer a service to watch movies from the library of some provider. Does that qualify as “thin client”?

  128. oiaohm says:

    600 dollar is another wacky guess by DrZealot. Atrust is direct only so googling would have never helped you.

    Look up the cost of a 21/22 inch samsung tizen or lg webos TV DrZealot. Hardware wise they are fairly much identical. 200 to 300 dollars and that is buying from a shark. Under 200 dollars would be expected.

    I see it as only a matter of time until we have TVs coming with option thin-client modes. TV makers are always looking to add in an extra feature even if you will never ever use it in the hope of convincing you to buy their product over the competition.

  129. DrLoser says:

    Of course they are attaching to Citrix based server farms running windows based applications running on windows workstation images.

    Oh no they’re not, oldfart. Wait a minute, oh yes they are! Forgive me. It’s Pantomime Season at the Manitoba Hippodrome.

    Atrust A66 is a low power consumption and fanless device which is optimized for industry-leading protocols, such as Citrix® ICA/HDX™, Microsoft® RDP™ with RemoteFX™ and VMware® Horizon View™.

    Got a gorgeous little screen, though. And by “little” I mean 21.6″ diagonal. Does it come with free bifocals?

    Robert coyly refuses to admit the price of this little beastie. Indeed, the manufacturer coyly refuses to admit the price of this little beastie. (I googled in vain.)

    Even more Pantomime Fun For All The Thin Client Family!

    I’m guessing $600 per unit. Over or under, kiddies?

  130. DrLoser says:

    Even small businesses should encrypt everything and it’s easier to do that on a few servers than on a hundred PCs.

    Um, no it isn’t, Robert. Wherever did you drag that bizarre notion from?

    It’s questionable whether small businesses (or anybody else) should encrypt everything, anyway. Tell me, does your PostGreSQL database store your recipes encrypted?

  131. oldfart says:

    Yes indeed Robert Pogson, thick clients running the Citrix reflector have proven very useful in certain scenarios, Of course they are attaching to Citrix based server farms running windows based applications running on windows workstation images.

    Linux workstation based images, not so much.

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