Come On! The Year Of GNU/Linux On The Desktop Was Ages Ago. Now We’re Mopping Up.

M$ liked to brag that after the long march bringing forth a new release, mopping up was the most fun.“Chromebook shipments to U.S. schools leapfrogged iPad shipments in the third quarter and are nearing 50 percent of the educational market.” We’re there now, in the mopping up phase.

Chromebooks are killing iPads and Wintel PCs in USAian education. Even PhotoShop ships for them. Every major OEM of PCs is shipping ChromeOS which is Chrome browser embedded on GNU/Linux. There are moves to integrate the rampant Android/Linux, too, with ChromeOS. We’ve won, beyond our wildest dreams and rather quickly too. It was only 7 years ago that Android was a gleam in Google’s eyes but they sold a billion copies last year.

Meanwhile straight GNU/Linux, what I use on my legacy Beast, is being adopted by governments in China, India, Russia, much of Europe, Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela, Ethiopia, Reunion, … and that includes schools too. I expect the ChromeBooks will soak up some of that desktop action once Google starts selling elsewhere. USA is just the trade-show campaign. The world notices what USA is doing in IT.

Oh, M$ still sells licences, perhaps 250million per annum but that’s becoming a niche for business. The rest of us don’t need the malware and re-re-reboots and high prices and slowing down. We just want to do IT rather than being slaves of M$.

See Chromebooks rising, SteamOS stalling, Linux's civil war: The World Beyond Windows' 10 biggest stories of the year.

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About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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61 Responses to Come On! The Year Of GNU/Linux On The Desktop Was Ages Ago. Now We’re Mopping Up.

  1. oiaohm says:

    DrZealot
    Now, you understand, it’s quite difficult to keep a multitude of personalities under one roof. (Unlike yourself, who has no personality whatsoever … just a bunch of random microwave gibbering, as far as anybody can tell.)
    I understand all right. You keep up the multi-personality act you will end up like me. Due to domestic violence I had to using multitude of personalities. But you are a stupid idiot who has voluntary been doing it.

    You wonder why its almost impossible to get me to admit I am wrong DrZealot. Why am I am master of mixing fact and lie.

    DrZealot it is in fact impossible to keep multi personalities separated without developing a full split personalities. The effect of pretending to be multi people with the same point of view is you brain stupidly believes you have supporters.

    DrZealot you have not noticed the quality of your english has been degrading over the years. Another 12 to 18 months of what you are doing and you might not be able to string english together at all. Then who would I have to do my mandatory writing practice against. It in my own best interest to call you out.

    Remember how you claimed you could always detect me by my writing style. That was me attempt to give you a hint that you were no were near as stealth as you stupidly believe you were.

  2. DrLoser says:

    Incidentally: charcoal-grey pencil skirts are in this year, Fifi. And red leather minis are out.

    Given your repeated ignorance of matters technological, I thought I’d help you out with the Under-The-Lamp-Post Fashionista thing.

    No need for thanks!

  3. DrLoser says:

    DrZealot as satrain18 you promised to leave. As olderman you promised not to respond to my posts. Basically you can never promise to do anything and keep it DrZealot.

    On behalf of all my alter-egos, Fifi, I offer you a Happy Christmas and a Fruity New Year!

    Now, you understand, it’s quite difficult to keep a multitude of personalities under one roof. (Unlike yourself, who has no personality whatsoever … just a bunch of random microwave gibbering, as far as anybody can tell.)

    But, Oh, what is this?

    Not a single one of my multiple personalities (you left out Deaf Spy: you’re slipping, old man) has “promised to leave.”

    Stop whining when you lose, Fifi.

  4. oiaohm says:

    DrZealot as satrain18 you promised to leave. As olderman you promised not to respond to my posts. Basically you can never promise to do anything and keep it DrZealot.

  5. oiaohm says:

    Merely a co-incidence that you used the language of a cult, I would assume.
    DrLoser one of the reasons its so hard to find cults is there is no such thing as language of a cult. There is such thing as language of a zealot and actions of a cult.

    What is a clear sign that someone is a out of control zealot is when they call other side a Cult without any documented actions proving it a cult.

    Another clear sign of a zealot is wild guessing without facts.

    I am sorry DrLoser or should I call you what you are DrZealot. Something people forget Zealots can be for or against. You are a negative type of Zealot DrLoser.

    Mind you since you think it fine to call be fifi and other things you really should not have any problem being called from now on DrZealot.

  6. DrLoser says:

    I don’t remember you using a log-based fitting before, Robert. So much more amusing that your earlier parabolic fittings.

    But, what’s this about a singularity “as x goes to zero?”

    Once again, we see the influence of a Cult, I think. The independent variable (on the x-axis) is, I believe, the Year of Our Lord. (Admittedly it has a Prairie tinge to it, because for no obvious reason it starts at 1899.) The dependent variable would be the percentage of page views, I think.

    I’m at a loss to explain why you think the Singularity (Praise Be To Hale-Bop) should Reveal Its Awesome God-Like Powers on the x-axis.

    Perhaps it’s just a stupid and worthless graph?

    See you on 26th June 2015. Let’s compare notes!

  7. DrLoser says:

    Of course not. That’s just another name for the singularity in log(x) as x goes to zero on the fitting. It’s a wild extrapolation at best.

    Most people who can “do the maths,” Robert, would indeed label it as “a wild extrapolation at best.” Some might even label it as “a statistically absurd conclusion.”

    You, on the other hand, chose to label it as “the Apocalype.” Now, why would that be? Merely a co-incidence that you used the language of a cult, I would assume.

    No matter, you’ve given me an excellent new avenue of research. I’m off to see how many religious cults are prone to admit that their nutso theories are “a wild extrapolation” or “statistically absurd.”

    I am one who has Lost Faith in Linux, O Lord, and I need Guidance.

    Preferably by people who admit that they could actually do better, but decided to cook the books instead.

  8. DrLoser wrote, “when Armageddon doesn’t actually happen at that point, we’re not going to see a personal recantation, are we, Robert?”

    Of course not. That’s just another name for the singularity in log(x) as x goes to zero on the fitting. It’s a wild extrapolation at best. I expect long before then the growth will level off some. Probably, a better fit would be just two different linear segments showing a change in supply of GNU/Linux units.

  9. DrLoser says:

    Speaking of cults … I notice that one of those graphs specifies Armageddon as the 26th June this coming year.

    Just a wild guess, but when Armageddon doesn’t actually happen at that point, we’re not going to see a personal recantation, are we, Robert?

  10. satrain18 linked to “the real problem is the Linux World itself – the platform and the community. The platform, because it is really not ready for the desktop. The community, because it constantly pushes “holier than thou” attitude for itself and the platform.”

    One more thing… A thing is not better nor worse because of what others may think/do about it. e.g. firearms may be used for good or evil. Good or evil are not inherent properties of firearms. Those are properties of different kinds of people who use firearms. The same is true of operating systems. GNU/Linux is no more or less useful on the desktop because of what some people do or say about it. Any deficiency in a particular distro can be fixed/changed. That’s in the licence that comes with most of the software. So, defects are just a temporary condition, not anything intrinsic. With hundreds of distros there must be several which could please anyone. You can’t say that about that other OS.

  11. oiaohm wrote, “Zealotry is the bad deal with the devil that has to be done.”

    Zeal is not always a bad thing. Without it the world would be rather boring. Extemism can do both good and evil in the world. Ask any sports team what it’s like to play a game without being “up”. Ask any athlete what it’s like to compete without being “in the zone”. Ask any artist what it’s like to create without being inspired. Ask any coach what happens if he/she does not convince a team that a game is important. Ask any large organization why they even need managers.

  12. dougman says:

    Re: before I leave:

    Pinky swear you’re not coming back? We never discussed the reasons for your hatred of Linux. Its not like you perfectly explained your reasoning to begin with, all you ever mentioned was that some people have a “cult like devotion and politics” with Linux.

    Now, Apple and M$ zealots falls into this same exact category as well, but something tells me that there is another part of you that wants to explain yourself further.

    Come on, let go of your hatred and feel the force flow though you.

    We believe in you!

  13. oiaohm says:

    satrain18 really that Linux Australia video ruins you because majority of the people in the room did not want the zealotry. So the FOSS users hates zealotry just as much as anyone else. Zealotry is the bad deal with the devil that has to be done.

  14. oiaohm says:

    satrain18 really you need to watch your sources way more closely.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_advocacy

    Level of zealotry in Linux is in fact not that high. Apple zealotry is the most extreme in fact while jobs was alive it had true Cult behavior because what ever jobs did had to be right. It was also good when Bill Gates stepped down from Microsoft because their was Cult behavior around Bill Gates as well.

    Something to be aware of there was a good video at Linux Australia where a reporter talking about why posts about OS’s were so infected with zealotry this covers sites like http://www.muktware.com.

    Tabloid press sells basically. Pick up any Tabloid press about the stars and look closely the reporting of what stars are upto is not free and fair reporting its zealotry twisted reporting.

    Stopping zealotry around Linux world is basically impossible because it requires changing how the media operated. If you want free press coverage you have todo some wacky things.

  15. satrain18 linked to “the real problem is the Linux World itself – the platform and the community. The platform, because it is really not ready for the desktop. The community, because it constantly pushes “holier than thou” attitude for itself and the platform.”

    Crap. Utter crap. I’m talking disgusting fecal waste…

    Millions of people find GNU/Linux works for them on desktops yet these few nitwits go off on this tangent. When GNU/Linux was put on retail shelves by ASUS they could not keep up with demand. They had to double and redouble production. That was years ago. Many distros are even better today. Dell is selling a boatload of GNU/Linux desktops in China and India and elsewhere. Canonical reports 5% of PC-production bears Ubuntu GNU/Linux. So, the “matter” which these folks bellow about is wrong/irrelevant/something we can ignore because that’s not reality.

    I’ve been tracking the progress of GNU/Linux on the desktop for years and while it’s slower than I’d like, none of that blather is holding it back. All GNU/Linux needs is space on retail shelves and it will take care of itself. There is a country, Ethiopia, where GNU/Linux topped “7” briefly this summer. How is that possible if 10% of this blather is correct from the link? No one in their right mind would use such defective software [SARCASM] if they had a choice but folks are choosing GNU/Linux: Munich, Extremadura, Ethiopia, Reunion, Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela, much of Europe, China, India… What’s wrong with these people? [extra dose of SARCASM]

  16. oiaohm says:

    satrain18
    “But you do exhibit cult-like behaviour.”

    Cult-like behaviour is not really a term. http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/cults.htm

    All reg-lions and major groups show some Cult-like behavior. Microsoft community contains some. Every school on earth exhibits some Cult-like behavior.

    satrain18
    What about cult leaders who believe they can do no wrong or who think they are never wrong?
    To have a cult you must have one a cult leader or cult leader group. Issue is FOSS does not in fact have any that believe they can do no wrong or think they are never wrong.

    And what’s morally wrong with making a honest living writing software? Wolfram Diestel, who a developer for KDE, at one have to make money babysitting his own daughter while his wife went to work.

    This is taking things out of context. https://behindkde.org/wolfram-diestel Original article.

    Note the item you are referring to 2001. Linux world was in fact worried by it. Linux foundation 2007 starts the projects to attempt to get developers paid employment this is in fact one of Jim Zemlin tasks. The one thing about the Foss world is unfortunately does not move fast due to all the tradition infighting over what is the correct solution to problem.

    satrain18 some of this is the squeaky wheel problem. Before 2001 Wolfram Diestel did not tell anyone that he did not have major employment.

    Lot of ways you could say that people like satrain18 has a problem with stay at home dads having a hobby. Satrain18 most likely would not question it if it was reversed.

    Remember Wolfram Diestel does a max of 2 days a week on FOSS. What does he do for the other 5 days in a week. Its not like FOSS is expecting full time work out of him and would never expect it. If Wolfram decided not to someone else would have to step up. Cults force people to work.

    Note wolfram-diestel is interesting if you read the complete article.
    I’m more addicted to Esperanto then KDE.
    The reality here he spends more time doing non FOSS Esperanto stuff than FOSS stuff. Turns out to be a very hard personality to place in a job.

    satrain18 if you could find him a job the FOSS world would be very happy.

  17. ram says:

    Microsoft also pays its “partner” companies for shill hire. They also need those “partner” companies so they can jack up their claimed “earnings” with cross-licensing deals. You know, the new American empire cross-licensing where expenditures for licensing are booked as an INCREASE in assets, as well as actual income (if any). Some favored American companies get away with this (temporarily) since their mates just “lend the money into existence” without any backing.

  18. dougman says:

    Of course you’re not, shows how smart you’re not. Put in your resume and you could get paid to troll…just do it!

    The end??… so you are not coming back to spew more M$ BS?

  19. satrain18 says:

    I’m not paid by Microsoft. And that’s the end of that!

  20. dougman says:

    M$ hires preachers for its cult. Instead of setting at home in Alabama watching porn and playing video games you should apply for a job?

    https://www.microsoft.com/northafrica/careers/positions/de.htm
    http://microsoftjobsblog.com/what-is-a-technical-evangelist/
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Microsoft-Technical-Evangelist-Salaries-E1651_D_KO10,30.htm

    Check out the salary levels, my you could be paid to spew your BS all over the web…amazing!!

  21. satrain18 says:

    Fasted way to be called a troll and insulted and picked on satrain18 is call a non cult group a cult.

    But you do exhibit cult-like behaviour.

  22. satrain18 says:

    What about cult leaders who believe they can do no wrong or who think they are never wrong? And what’s morally wrong with making a honest living writing software? Wolfram Diestel, who a developer for KDE, at one have to make money babysitting his own daughter while his wife went to work.

  23. dougman says:

    Another market M$ has lost.

    http://www.cultofmac.com/306051/diehard-microsoft-fans-abandon-windows-phone-iphone/

    Its amazing to see that even M$ people deriding Windows Phone. The only ever time I see one is on display collecting dust.

    “Veteran Microsoft journalists Ed Bott and Tom Warren both published essays this week in which they criticized Windows Phone for its shortcomings and announced that they’ve stopped using Windows Phones personally. Citing a lack of carrier and third-party app support, both agreed that Windows Phone has missed its shot at being a real competitor in the smartphone market.”

    Today, if you’re building an app, you build it for iOS and build it for Android users, if you’ve got some spare time, maybe, perhaps you might build for Windows. So long as M$ compensates you for it. (Ref: http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/15/4433082/microsoft-paying-companies-100k-windows-phone-apps)

    “Because of Windows Phone’s almost nonexistent market share, he argued that carriers have no reason to negotiate with Microsoft and maintain a good experience for its users”

    Bott can lament all he like, but the market has spoke and with no demand M$ saw fit to stop selling phones no one wants.

    “Bott, who has covered Microsoft for decades and written books on the company, also lamented how Microsoft released its flagship Lumia Icon phone in February and then stopped selling it in October. “

  24. oiaohm says:

    satrain18 using the wrong terms is not helping the problem. Saying Robert, RMS and Linus has some zealot like behavior is true. So has the leaders of Apple and Microsoft.

    You think that just because you use Linux you’re better than everybody else. And no, you will never admit you’re wrong some of the time because you ego wouldn’t allow that, and even if you did it will be some form of sarcasm.
    This is Zealot behavior. Zealot behavior allown is not cult. You get Windows user Zealots as well that just because someone is using Linux they have to be using inferior solution without looking at the problem the Linux user is solving. Like a build server running Linux completes repeated builds of applications faster than windows. So that case its sane to be using Linux yet a Windows Zealot will insanely attempt to make Windows do it better when it never can.

    All groups have Zealots its part of dealing with humans.

    Fasted way to be called a troll and insulted and picked on satrain18 is call a non cult group a cult.

  25. oiaohm says:

    Something interesting “worship their leader” is completely untrue for FOSS. You see high level Linux people publicly attacking their leaders all the time. Linus and RMS are questioned if their ideas are right all the time.

    Cult leaders are do what I say and don’t question. There is no leader in the FOSS world who does not have to explain actions.

    FOSS people are not a Cult because publicly attacking their leader is something that happens quite a lot.

    Comp.os.linux.advocacy was meant to be a mailing for positive open source stories but it got invalid by Trolls. Most posts in that group are bogus one way or another.

    RMS starts talking points in the FOSS world.

    The idea that Linux is a Cult is a MS Troll made up invention. In fact it one of the biggest FOSS myths that TMR guys say they existed to stop. Cult has a list of behavours.

    http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
    This is the proper 101 checklist for a cult.
    The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
    This is number 1. If this Number 1 is not true you don’t have a cult. FOSS world does not take what ever RMS or Linus says without asking questions.

    Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
    This is also wrong with FOSS. Dissent is not in fact discouraged you see this a lot from FOSS fork it and do better if you can.

    Mind-altering practices
    You don’t see FOSS project encouraging any of these.
    The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel
    Really again no FOSS does not do this in fact Linux events are really interesting because everyone basically dresses and behaves how like like.
    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members
    Maybe in some cases but this alone is not a cult.
    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
    Maybe in some cases but this does not make a cult or Microsoft by its company operations is a cult.
    The leader is not accountable to any authorities
    Could Linus be voted out of his position yes. Could RMS be displaced yes. Has RMS has to be accountable to authorities for past comments yes in fact RMS has been forced to give public apologies.
    https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-November/msg00010.html
    There are many documented cases of RMS and Linus foot in mouth where RMS and Linus has had to write a letter saying sorry every one.

    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group
    This is another thing FOSS world does not suffer from. At no time does FOSS leadership teach doing reprehensible or unethical actions.

    The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
    Reverse happens where the FOSS community commonly attempts to guilt out its leaders. So backwards for a cult.
    Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
    Again not FOSS community.
    The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
    Mostly FOSS is no on this account.
    The group is preoccupied with making money.
    This is another no. Most FOSS projects have very little interest in making a profit. Yes Microsoft gets a big tick here.
    Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
    Key word is expected. Majority of FOSS world does not expect too much.
    Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
    No again FOSS does not demard this.
    The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
    This is also not true remember the Linux developer who made the kernel configuration system works for Microsoft.

    If you look up the check list for Zealot FOSS has a few Zealots but having Zealots does not make your group a cult.

    Really I want to know how long unformed MS Trolls will keep on pushing the Cult idea and how long people who don’t know better will fall for it.

  26. dougman says:

    Hooray…you found me! LOL…dude I am not trying to hide my identity in any manner, unlike you and your M$ troll brethren that flock here.

    Do you honestly think I care that you linked my facebook page? Please….obviously I struck a nerve…what troubles you? Its Christmas share with us your pain.

    Re: your website is down and your hosting account is shut down, you’re out of business

    Actually I sold it off. My customer list and support contracts went to the buyer, happens all the time in the business world. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

  27. satrain18 says:

    even if it hits you in the face

  28. satrain18 says:

    Let me rephrase that: can’t face the truth

  29. satrain18 says:

    And what about you? Summarizing from the fact that your website is down and your hosting account is shut down, you’re out of business. Personally, you a despicable, heartless human being who looks 30-40, https://www.facebook.com/douglas.jets?fref=nf but writes insults like a 15 year old because you can’t truth even if it hits in the face. I’ll admit I’m not infallible and I’m not right all the time, but what makes you, Robert Pogson, RMS and all of the hardcore Linux community are? The Linux community is its own worst enemy and people like you aren’t helping. There’s elitism in the open source community and its the very reason why I quit. You think that just because you use Linux you’re better than everybody else. And no, you will never admit you’re wrong some of the time because you ego wouldn’t allow that, and even if you did it will be some form of sarcasm.

    By the way, I don’t watch porn or anime.

  30. oiaohm says:

    satrain18 is doing the classic DrLoser attack RMS because he really does not have any good arguments left.

  31. satrain18 says:

    satrain18 is a late 30’s male that lives in Alabama, enjoys porn and anime.

    You crossed the line!

  32. satrain18 says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKRt3-FbM0
    Are you in denial? Don’t tell that’s not Stallman

  33. dougman says:

    satrain18 is a late 30’s male that lives in Alabama, enjoys porn and anime.

  34. dougman says:

    M$ CEO Nadella had a foot-in-mouth moment, when he stated that “Women should not ask for raises, rather ‘have faith’ the system will reward them”

    What a narrow-minded thing to say, as I have seen smart women in IT kickass.

  35. satrain18 says:

    RMS is a great orator…
    …who eats his own toejam:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

  36. satrain18 wrote, “He wears a robe and a disk on his head, as if he’s some leader of a Hindu based cult.”

    That’s a joke, for pity’s sake. Laugh. You can laugh, can’t you? I’m old enough to remember those early disks. Some used hydraulics to position the read/write heads. They shook the whole room when they seeked. IBM used to have an application designed to shake the IBM s/360 every way possible looking for loose connections/shorts. That was the mainframe-era thing of blaming the hardware when it was likely software at fault. RMS is a great orator. He uses props to entertain the audience. Go with it.

  37. dougman says:

    Re: As far as I can recall, Dougie, you did indeed boast of wiping a customer’s machine and then throwing the installation media away.

    Yes, I wiped the customers machine when I installed Linux and tossed the M$ media in the trash, as it would not be needed anymore. I asked and the customer said, “Toss it”

    Customer is always right, ya know!

  38. DrLoser says:

    When XP was released it was crapware, crashing almost daily.

    Interesting, Robert. You were on the bleeding edge in 2001? I was (actually I preferred Windows 200 by far, at least until XP SP3), and I don’t recall it crashing _once_.

    I was under the impression that your major beef was being stuck in the Arctic with XP and a 33.6KB dial-up link, circa 2005 or so? Hardly the same thing.

    Or are you confusing XP with “Lose98,” which under normal circumstances didn’t crash daily either, even in 2002 or so.

    Alternatively, you might just be lacking a trivial amount of supporting evidence for your claims.

  39. dougman wrote, “that was written in 2001”

    That explains a lot. That was about the height of the FUD volcano when GNU/Linux was thriving and M$ had no idea how to produce a better product. When XP was released it was crapware, crashing almost daily.

  40. DrLoser says:

    That’s illegal in some places: vandalism/destruction of property. I’ve happily replaced that other OS many times but rarely without permission.

    Good to know, Robert. I’d hate to think that you were a persistent and incorrigible vandal and destroyer of property, be it either illegal or with the full blessing of RMS.

    Somehow, when I hear you tell me that you did it on a random whim, it sounds awfully sweet.

  41. dougman responded to “I believe you erase Windows from customers’ PCs and install linux without their knowledge.”

    That’s illegal in some places: vandalism/destruction of property. I’ve happily replaced that other OS many times but rarely without permission. I have replaced MacOS and XP several times each when they became unbootable without permission, just as a temporary measure, because the fix was re-imaging, so no harm done. Call the installation of GNU/Linux a diagnostic procedure… 😉 I’ve rarely found an ubootable PC had real hardware failure. That other OS was the single point of failure mostly.

  42. DrLoser says:

    Thats a stupid comment, if I or anyone else did that they would never get paid and of course they would know, are you calling people stupid that are not elevated to your uber geekness?

    As far as I can recall, Dougie, you did indeed boast of wiping a customer’s machine and then throwing the installation media away.

    I could be wrong, of course. Do you want me to look the details up? I believe they’re available, on this site, somewhere in the last couple of years at most.

  43. dougman says:

    Ok..ok.. I will concur on your Linux fanboy truism, but being out of touch with whose reality?? Your “distorted” reality perhaps..

    Re: I believe you erase Windows from customers’ PCs and install linux without their knowledge.

    Thats a stupid comment, if I or anyone else did that they would never get paid and of course they would know, are you calling people stupid that are not elevated to your uber geekness?

    Ah yes, you remind me of the type that looks-down on the other folk running the business, and gets angry at someone like me, as I walk-in and explain the benefits of Linux to the C-folk. Often times you would have been brought in to listen, but on rare occasions asked to leave, as your M$ trained brain kicks in over-drive and start foaming at the mouth.

  44. satrain18 says:

    Another thing: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/4lzdS4LhzPg

    Both worship their leader.
    Both have a distended, warped view of their subject matter.
    Both are obsessed with something that most people know nothing
    about.
    Both believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
    Both insist on proselytizing or converting every single person into
    the fold.
    Both have a warped view of the economy. IOW give everything away for
    free.
    Both have socialistic tendencies.
    Both seem to attract oddballs, social misfits and the mentally ill.
    Both encourage obsessive behavior and total devotion to the cause.
    Both disparage and try to discredit the mainstream or competition.
    Both have a militaristic attitude of you are either with us 100
    percent or against us.”

  45. satrain18 says:

    Douglas Smith, you are a Linux fanboy who’s both out of touch with reality using a so-called “PC repair company” as a front to preach Linux. speaking of PC repair, I believe you erase Windows from customers’ PCs and install linux without their knowledge.

  46. dougman says:

    Amazing someone knows my name…*rolls-eyes* Funny how trolls hide behind pseudonyms isn’t it?

    Re: http://hugequestions.com/Eric/Linux/Linux4.html LOL…. that was written in 2001, come on, is that the best you can do?

    But your mention of Phtotoshop IS important!!…lets not forget that one shall we? I already pointed out that the game has changed and that their would be no more Windows or Mac versions either. Adobe would just build for Chrome and a few browsers, but did you see where IE has fallen behind, who is the leader in browsers? Did you even click the link? Of course you did certainly…but you failed to even mention in your retort, see internet browsers is just one more market that M$ has lost.

    Forcing down peoples throats? Au contraire!! M$ forced Metro and Windows 8 down peoples throats hard, and enough people complained and made them change the UI in 8.1, bypassing the Start screen and dropping straight to the desktop instead.

    When users skirt the Start screen, they’ll never use what were once called Metro apps. M$ tablets already suffer from an app gap compared to the iPad and Android tablets, but this will only make it worse, because fewer developers will want to create apps for the part of an operating system that people shun.

    LOL…

  47. satrain18 says:

    I do use Linux, but I’m not driven by cult like devotion and politics like you and Doug Smith. And that link, by the way, tell about the mental health(or lack thereof) of Open Source advocates. Look at Richard Stallman, for example. He wears a robe and a disk on his head, as if he’s some leader of a Hindu based cult. And you wonder why hardly anyone is taking the Open Source community seriously. You also talk about freedom of choice, but you want to take that freedom away by killing Windows and forcing Linux down people’s throats.

  48. satrain18 seems unable to accept reality that FLOSS has some great software at a great price. Talk about propaganda. That link is disgusting. There’s no relevant fact all the way down the page, just ad hominem attacks and opinions based on nothing. There are literally billions of people using FLOSS who are happy about it and this guy denigrates it. Eeewww…

    I live with The Little Woman. She used to scold me because her file-system was different. No longer. I asked her how her system was working and she likes it fine. It’s snappy and she’s running on a 400MHz thin client with 256 MB RAM. It takes up almost no space on her desk and doesn’t have the siren sounds of multiple fans like her expensive thick client in a huge aluminium case had. That improvement in her life is all due to FLOSS and she knows it. That other OS was nothing but trouble which is why she allowed me to overwrite it.

  49. satrain18 says:

    I do use OpenElec, but I’m not a Holier-than-Thou Linux evangelist using a “PC repair company” as a front for a FLOSS propaganda bureau.

    By the way…
    http://hugequestions.com/Eric/Linux/Linux4.html

  50. satrain18, having nothing better to say, wrote, “Linux fanaticism at its worst.”

    That’s pretty mild for fanaticism. How about calling FLOSS cancer, claiming Google has no business-plan, or suing the world for rounded corners? Who are the real fanatics? I’m not a fanatic. I have too little time for that kind of stuff. I do hate M$ because they are out to get us but that’s not fanaticism. It’s self-defence.

  51. dougman wrote, “MS-tards”.

    Well, their favourite OS has lost a lot of share by that account. Down 8% in the last five years. There has been a huge move to mobile, GNU/Linux and MacOS. That’s a big cut for monopolists and the movement is accelerating. The only question is how low it will go. M$ is hedging bets by hoping folks will love them in the cloud but there’s no lock-in there, the stuff that kept the monopoly going for nearly two decades.

  52. dougman says:

    Correct…”Photoshop for web browsers, regardless of operating system”, which is great and awesome… so no more Windows or Mac versions either. Adobe would just build for Chrome, Firefox, Safari and perhaps IE. Which is dying anyways.

    Check this out: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    See how much IE usage has dropped? Who uses IE anymore these days?

    One less line that MS-tards cannot trump as reasons why Linux will not work for them….eh.

  53. satrain18 says:

    Photoshop for Linux
    You mean Photoshop for web browsers, regardless of whatever OS you’re running. Linux fanaticism at its worst.

  54. satrain18 wrote, “decades old mainframe-and-dumb-terminal model”.

    That’s true except that the modern smartphone has more throughput than the mainframe of those bad old days. Folks were using dial-up and 10 mbits/s (if they were lucky). Now smartphones can do ~50mbits/s or so. I don’t even know. Streaming from a server that won’t fit in your pocket beats having a computer that requires an assistant to carry around. I forget where I was, but recently I was sitting with a bunch of people and a tiny young woman came in lugging a huge laptop. It must have been a 17 incher. She looked every bit a slave as some cooly lugging a sack of coal as big as he was. All around her were smart young people checking their e-mail/messaging/browsing without a care in the world. She wasn’t a happy person.

    Client-server approaches have many advantages no matter how you deride them: economy, efficiency, performance (perhaps not for video but certainly for data that’s riding in RAM on the server), cost,… I’ve done the maths. You should too. With a $50 thin client and $50 worth of server it is easy to beat the pants off that other OS running on a desktop PC for lots of tasks. Get over it. The data doesn’t have to pass over the network. The data can stay on the server, reside in huge RAM and choke some massive CPU that won’t even fit comfortably in a desktop/notebook machine. Figure out the cost/benefit of money/space/power expended on big desktops or tiny thin clients networked to some monstrous array of servers and the thin client approach wins every way except full-screen video. Then huge data is passing over the network and it becomes the bottleneck but for everything else, thin client wins. Ask the guys who do HPC whether or not they want a huge desktop machine or a thin client and some distant room full of computing power.

  55. wolfgang wrote, “nobody is paying google to use Android.”

    ISTR that Google’s browser is on many of those devices and that gives Google unfettered access to many human browsers who point and click with the best of them adding to Google’s bottom line with every add they visit. Google’s business is growing much more rapidly thanks to the small cheap computers. No longer can M$ hold Google back from the next billion users with monopoly-charged prices. Further, every one of those new machines and new users is less likely to run M$’s software so M$ is being cut out of future growth. The decline in client-device licensing is just a leading indicator of M$’s decline. M$ could appear to be a great buy when it faced unlimited growth and whatever prices it asked. Now the world has multiple alternative choices that are cheaper and faster. In a few years, a very few years, more people will realize they don’t need M$ than those who imagine that they do.

  56. dougman wrote, “here is a great article on the woes of Win-Dohs”.

    Yes, it’s a good read. I am writing a brief post on Sinofsky’s post. He comes through with an honest bit of history, unlike the various apologists for M$ that we see here.

  57. wolfgang says:

    …sold a billion copies last year…

    to whom? nobody is paying google to use Android. meanwhile, microsoft has record year after year. whose on top? windows phone has bigger share of phone market than linux has in pc market. for that matter, only phone os being sold to anyone is windows, so they have 100% of “market” based on money made.

    if you make money, it is a business. otherwise it is just a hobby.

  58. dougman says:

    Yes….Photoshop for Linux and Android merging with Linux. Heck of a year, isn’t it?

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/collection/also_on_android

    In other news… here is a great article on the woes of Win-Dohs…

    http://www.businessinsider.com/steven-sinofsky-sony-hack-is-a-major-security-breaking-point-2014-12

    Obviously, all it would take is for M$ to start with a fresh slate so to speak and build from say, Gentoo and just run with it. I am very certain it has been proposed and perhaps even worked on internally, but the situation has not demanded such yet.

  59. satrain18 says:

    Even PhotoShop ships for them.

    No, it STREAMS Photoshop from Adobe’s website. It’s basically the decades old mainframe-and-dumb-terminal model that the PC made obsolete. It can’t run without an Internet connection.

    And why do you lump desktop Linux(not GNU/Linux) and android together? They’re not in the same category.

  60. DrLoser says:

    We’ve won, beyond our wildest dreams and rather quickly too.

    No, Google have won, if anybody has. Certainly not “we,” as in the Linux Community.

    To take a hopefully uncontroversial historical equivalent, this is practically like being a Menshevik in 1905 and watching events unfold in Russia in 1917. “We’ve won!” they might have said.

    Except that, after 1917, the Mensheviks (who were eerily similar to the Linux Faithful, in the sense that they were purists and not just opportunists) were trodden underfoot in short order — just like everybody else.

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