Notebook Reality

All over the web, supporters of Wintel are celebrating the first quarter of growth in ages. Reality is that the top five OEMs of legacy notebook-PCs had growth in their market shares but the market as a whole only grew 1%.“After seven consecutive quarters of shipment declines, the global notebook PC market improved in Q2’14. According to preliminary results from the NPD DisplaySearch Quarterly Mobile PC Shipment and Forecast Report, notebook PC shipments reached 45.1 million units, up 1% Y/Y.” Meanwhile Android/Linux increases an order of magnitude more than that. Smartphones are shipping more units than desktops ever did and tablets are becoming a mature market. The Wintel PC is becoming a niche market, only thriving with businesses who resist change and need keyboards, large screens and pointers.

NEWS FLASH! You can hook those up to many smartphones and all tablets… Even businesses don’t actually need legacy PCs but they are willing to pay well over the market price for desktop IT because they are afraid to change. Change will happen though. It’s inevitable. Governments are changing because taxpayers demand efficiency. Businesses generally don’t care how wasteful they are as long as revenue covers the costs. Even M$ is insisting businesses change to a cloud model. That opens up M$ to competition everywhere and GNU/Linux and FLOSS on small cheap computers has no barrier but retail resistance. Some governments and businesses already have switched to FLOSS. More will do so in the next year or two. The cost of escaping XP is in their face or recent memory. The cost of switching to GNU/Linux can be less than going to M$’s next lock-in.

See Notebook PC Shipment Results Improve after Seven Consecutive Quarters of Decline, According to NPD DisplaySearch.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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42 Responses to Notebook Reality

  1. oiaohm says:

    wolfgang Microsoft avoided 42 Billion in tax by using tax havens last year. USA and other governments around the world is working on closing those loop holes. I am sorry 22 Billion profit in fact works out to 20 Billion in the Hole if they had paid all the taxes. Google Redhat and Samsung in fact did not use tax havens to avoid tax so their balance sheets are solid and are not going to be effected extremely by tax rule changes.

    So Microsoft balance sheet is no where near as good as it should be. All companies using tax havens to avoid tax are at risk of major problems in the next few years.

    Most investors are only interested in short term gain. So while tax havens work and Microsoft paying good dividend they will invest. People investing in a company don’t mean they care if it lives. If investors cared we would not had subprime investment problem.

    wolfgang the difference between Microsoft and subprime investments methods of concealment is not much. If you got to the truth about subprime you found what you are investing in was just a fake. Microsoft most of the figures you are investing is very close to fake. People would be way more worried if Microsoft was forced to list the amount of money they avoided paying tax on. Its the USA IRS that listed the amount Microsoft avoided by Tax haven.

    Microsoft is has major efficiency problems internally. Wolfgang notice I did not list Canonical. Canonical uses tax-havens as well. The next few years could be very interesting. Microsoft might be like Al Capone that was only brought down by Tax Avoidance.

    wolfgang companies that impress me are like foxconn and samsung. To both of those companies 22 billion is pocket change also both of them are not into major tax avoidance and class paying tax as part of expected business. If you cannot pay tax you are doing something wrong.

  2. wolfgang says:

    …not exactly sound…

    they only made $22B after taxes in last FY, maybe that something to sneeze at where you live, but wolfgang impressed plenty. pogson agree with you, saying that windows only worth $19B or so while Linux up huge time to over 1% of click-throughs on internet.

    too bad all the investors fooled and bidding microsoft stock up 75% in past two years. they in for big surprise when they find out you frontline geniuses are right and they are all wrong.

    nothing left to do but watch ballmer team play allen team of giants.

  3. oiaohm says:

    wolfgang by the way you really need to spend some time at the front lines. A computer comes back with software issues its user error or user installed malware even if you can clearly prove that the malware is in the default install image. If it malware in the default install image the question is did they pay for a clean Windows install. If no its user fault they got what they paid for. Acer, Toshiba, HP and Dell are all this way.

    The reality suxs big time.

  4. wolfgang wrote, “day after day and year after year it is good business for microsoft”.

    Client division? Nope. Their new CEO: “We have 90% of PC [market] share and 14% of total device share. We get that.” The pie is growing but their slice is shrinking.

    SEC latest 10-K:
    “Sales and marketing expenses increased $1.4 billion or 10%, reflecting advertising of Windows 8 and Surface.” Remember the good old days when whatever they shipped sold whether they advertised or not?
    “D&C licensing revenue: 2014 = $18.8B compared to a high of $19.49B in 2012”. This, while the world of */Linux is growing by huge rates. What do you think will happen to their revenue if they continue to give away the software?

  5. oiaohm says:

    wolfgang really Microsoft balance sheets are not exactly sound. If Microsoft was not doing tax avoidance methods in the last 12 Microsoft would have made a loss. Redhat on the other hand can pay it tax bills without problems.

    Of course you don’t read the USA finance reports.

  6. wolfgang says:

    …oiaohm dweebs on…

    give it a rest, oiaohm. nobody cares what you think or believe about the business. it is what it is and day after day and year after year it is good business for microsoft. sounds like it is even improving business from the lead post. see what happens with the next quarterly report. read it and weep, I think. microsoft not going to quit as long as the billions are rolling in. when that stops, it stops for everyone. maybe linux will end up with the empty bag, although they need to get going if they are ever going to do even that.

  7. oiaohm says:

    wolfgang sorry I have had many new Windows laptops with bad power usage due to installed drivers and included crap. The issue is many years ago the OEM have changed their license to access OEM software with Microsoft so OEM don’t cover Microsoft Windows only the Hardware. So some of them don’t give a rats if Windows works perfectly or not. All the OEM cares is that Windows works well enough to get machine out door after that its the customers problem. Lot of ODM’s also treat Android the same way.

    This is what I am talking about Myth that Windows works.

    Many years ago to get Microsoft OEM licenses OEM makers had to agree to provide OS support. Problem is today and for quite a few years now this has not been the case. This change in licensing has resulted in a major drop in quality of Windows provided. To the OEM if the machine breaks end user might go out and buy another one. Some OEM’s are getting stupidly desperate to the point they are ruining the quality of the product they are shipping.

    Classic modern issue is clean new window do first run activation put the machine storage for 90+ days remove it from storage hello anti-virus has run out of license and disabled Internet access from the Windows Machine. Of course do this to a Ubuntu machine nothing bad has happened.

    Interesting one order two Dell laptop machines. 1 a clean install windows and 1 a default windows install. You find the quoted runtime on battery that people are sold are the clean install version that in lots of countries you can only access with a enterprise account. Order a Dell Ubuntu the quoted runtime on battery is true. Yes Windows has problems.

  8. wolfgang wrote, “chromebook way less than 1% of business in computers using windows. who cares?”

    M$, who spent many $millions deriding chromebooks on primtime TV (Pawnstars etc.).
    Amazon, who enjoyed shifting many of their most popular notebooks.

    Further, the thesis is flawed. That other OS shipped on PCs will decline 5.3% this year over last year while Chromebooks explode with 5+million shipments, a huge increase over last year.

    So, wolfgang’s thesis is wrong and so are his conclusions.

  9. wolfgang says:


    bah! more dweebery. wolfgang not concerned with odd-ball stuff. look only at mainstream. billions of euros, bucks, pesos each year. milch cow for microsoft. even chromebook way less than 1% of business in computers using windows. who cares?

  10. wolfgang wrote, “computers come from store with windows installed and working perfectly with correct drivers and all. manufacturer make sure so that box not come back from customer”

    Like this? and this? and this? What are you writing about, some nightmare?

  11. wolfgang says:

    …dweeb talk…

    very interesting, but way behind the times. computer hobbyists about the same number as ham radio operators now. maybe just as out of touch, too.

    computers come from store with windows installed and working perfectly with correct drivers and all. manufacturer make sure so that box not come back from customer stumped on how to get going. worse if customer calling help desk and costing more money before returning box.

    big companies have tech guru to solve problems for workers and they often install own license os from volume contract. no little guys anymore.

  12. oiaohm wrote, “One of the biggest Windows Troll myths is Windows hardware compatibility completely disregarding how often drivers under Windows in fact do completely fail with no replacement due to updates.”

    I remember one machine running XP that died, or rather that other OS died. I was asked to get it going ASAP, so I installed GNU/Linux in short order. Later, I restored XP but it had no Internet connection. The machine had version “C” of some network card but the CD only had version “B” driver… I had to use another machine to find the right driver and put it to work. GNU/Linux had no problems at all on that machine. I’ve seen similar problems many times since.

  13. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser really go back and correct your own site. kurkosdr commonly comes in here with incorrect information and it your site that is responsible. Like the idea Linux has to be rebooted for security weakness. No Carrier Grade Linux requires this because a requirement to be carrier grade Linux is hotpatching of applications in older versions and in latest versions hotpatching of kernel. Yes why the current duel design fight between Redhat and Suse over kernel hotpatching. Correct thing is to push for more distributions to be Carrier grade. Reboots for secuirty reasons are only required in non Carrier grade distrobutions r Carrier grade distributions up to the latest version of Linux Carrier grade. What is Carrier grade is defined by the Linux Foundation.

    One of the biggest Windows Troll myths is Windows hardware compatibility completely disregarding how often drivers under Windows in fact do completely fail with no replacement due to updates.

    Closed source weather montoring software for Linux is also fairly rare. Realy I should have asked kurkosdr to name what item was the problem. I am fairly sure kurkosdr so called skill with Linux is less than mine and you have made me out as Useless so kurkosdr is absolutely incompetent.

    DrLoser you don’t get it yet. Why don’t I mind if you make me out as incompetent it now means every hit I get on you that you are worse than me. Sorry some of my errors have been intentional.

  14. oiaohm says:
    DrLoser not that it just popped up at all. The reality is a majority of Linux weather station control software has no kernel space code and is simple enough to run in a chroot.

    Interesting enough Windows on the other hand lot of the same devices that use generic drivers under Linux user custom drivers under Windows. With all the evil teeth. Some of those are sensitive to kernel changes like SP1 to SP2 NX bit being turned on. There is another security change between SP2 and SP3 that also breaks drivers on XP.

    kurkosdr is not going to be back on the Topic DrLoser. He is going to leave the fool like you hanging as you did on Ancient Greek.

  15. DrLoser says:

    Procrastinating in writing your thesis? Sure… are.

    Well, in any given year in Europe, there are probably about 50,000 Computer Science graduates “procrastinating in writing their theses,” Dougie, my lad. I’d estimate the same number for the USA.

    Don’t hate on those 100,00 people per year who are far smarter and far better educated than you, an uneducated oaf who delights in his own ignorance, will ever be.

    After all, you’re a special snowflake, aren’t you?

  16. DrLoser says:

    Apparently, oiaohm has tacitly conceded that he knows nothing at all about Ancient Greek, typography, Unicode, UTF-8, B-Trees, aircraft black boxes, SAN configuration, the list goes on and on.

    But oiaohm does have sudden and unexplained expertise in Weather Stations. I wonder why or how? Could it just be that the subject has just popped up?

    Question 1 is the weather stations control program userspace or kernel space. Most I know are Userspace so operate in a chroot so allowing the all the rest of the applications to go newer.

    I defer to oiaohm’s hitherto unexposed, yet convincingly complete, experience in this area. It’s a domain of which I know nothing (although I am fairly sure that Kurkos does).

    Let us listen to and learn from the Maestro!

    I had a weather station program on XP fail completely between SP2 to SP3 then be screwed because the iphone drivers required SP3.

    Blisteringly intelligent and devastatingly well-informed!

    What … the … fnark?

  17. dougman says:

    M$ is run by a bunch of blockheads. However, and most importantly, the competition has gotten smarter, faster and cheaper, forcing M$ to change it’s ways.

    The old models will not work, so this is why they are building their own devices rather ineffectively and changing their revenue model.

    Yes, MicroSh1t means business, so did Kodak at one time, which ironically created the very first consumer digital camera in 1975.

    M$ has laughed off the iPod, iPad, Android and Chromebooks much to their own chagrin, but whoa check out what they are coming out with to compete, the M$ Stream!

    POS malware infecting Windows devices will continue until no one uses M$ anymore. Yes, M$ may be top of the stack in some markets, but that never lasts.

  18. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr 18K lay off is larger than Nokia staff that were transfered. The problem a Majority of the 30 K that was expected to transfer quit and joined other companies than transfer to Microsoft. The 18K lay off if it did contain all the Nokia staff there are about 2 thousand of non Nokia staff gone as well.

    kurkosdr closed source control applications are hell for windows just as much as Linux. Question 1 is the weather stations control program userspace or kernel space. Most I know are Userspace so operate in a chroot so allowing the all the rest of the applications to go newer. I had a weather station program on XP fail completely between SP2 to SP3 then be screwed because the iphone drivers required SP3. So it was either weather station or iphone. Simple solution turned out install XP in a virtual machine.

    Yes you attempt to push the impossible. From a security point of view sometimes the correct answer is virtual machine the old OS as well.

    kurkosdr Please watch pointing fingers because I can bring in examples of where Microsoft has taken 15+ years to fix particular faults. Linux and Windows both have times where they are horrible slow to fix. Some of the Linux power management issues required fixing all drivers. In fact some windows machines also can be having horible battery life and it trace to a person using a so called driver update program and its inloaded the wrong driver for the hardware and some cases there is no right driver because the maker has never made one that works right. Power management is really a hazard area for all operating systems.

    Dell has also made the computer that bricked when it installed driver updates from dell with Windows as well. Please note I mean bricked because the drivers nuked the bios. Early Dell Ubuntu was horible more recent stuff Dell has learnt to test with default drivers in kernel not custom third party.

    The dell users who has their Ubuntu break when they updated got a response from Dell did you use our install disc. Basically Dell treated Linux users at that stage like Window users. The distro update from the Dell disc worked perfectly because the closed source drivers updated. Linux users expect different things to Windows users. Linux users expect OS to operate using a non modified form. DellUbuntu debarkal you are pointing at was a learning curve. Dell and Ubuntu has not done it again. A device is not Ubuntu certified if it does not run with generic these days. Yes Dell has also made computers where if you install drivers provided by Windows update they don’t boot either. Some companies are really not good examples since they have shot Linux and Windows in the foot. Dell is one of those.

    x265 on older Linux is impossible outside a chroot for so many reasons its not funny. Inside wine x265 in fact takes quite a heavy performance hit. The x265 requirements are nasty. That you went to build from source that is the very last place I would go. Chrooting a newer Linux on a old distribution is where I go before building from source.

  19. wolfgang says:

    …not a viable solution…

    dougman should sign in as dummkopfmann and give up on trying to fool people here. nerdy fools want to argue about sliced hair but microsoft means business and continues to make more money each year than last. microsoft leader in big client business (none bigger), departmental business servers (more than half of market), and office automation application software (even München can’t get away even in 10 years).

  20. dougman says:

    Procrastinating in writing your thesis? Sure… are.

    Kuku in some vain attempt, tries to deflect the message, which is that M$ is increasingly having difficulties with software and hardware development. Updates should never crash your system, but M$ loves pushing beta upgrades on patch Tuesday. This is why the majority of people wait a few weeks before installing upgrades originating from Redmond.

    The ONLY market M$ currently owns is the desktop, but that is vastly changing and they seeing the writing on the wall, that being charging an annual subscription fees for their entire product line is the way to go.

    Example: Why charge $100 per three or five year segment, when you could charge everyone yearly, as this model increases revenue over the long-term.

  21. kurkosdr says:

    Linux is popular when the choice = Desktop Linux is popular when the choice

  22. kurkosdr says:

    “- 5 firmware updates to Surface 3 in 2 months, problems not solved.”

    One (1) problematic product. Now, lets stop for a moment and remember the Dellbuntu debacle, when users tried to upgrade laptops and they broke.

    “- Laying off 18K employees” (aka MicrosoftIsDying(tm) )

    Which were extra from the Nokia acquisition, or were working in Microsoft Devices positions that became duplicate after the Nokia acquisition. How many employees not in the devices division were laid off? How many of them were from WinDiv of Office division?

    “- China banning Windows 8”

    For government computers only. If you knew that but didn’t mention it, stop posting untrue statements. And yes, Linux is popular when the choice of Windows is not given to users. This is also true in some universities, where the lab computers are managed by neckbeards.

    “- China planning to develop it’s own OS”

    Yes, because they banned Windows.

    “- Rush to market Windows 9, as Windows 8 never took off.”

    Which means that they are listening to customer feedback and adjusting course, even a bit (no wait… a lot) late. On the other hand, Unity and Gnome 3…

    “- A major portion of apps in the M$ app store are bogus, M$ has not addressed so as to inflate its real app numbers.”

    The Windows Store is crap. And you know what, it’s better this way. Windows’ strength is not having a gatekeeper and being able to get stuff directly from the developer. On the other hand, Desktop Linux’s reliance on repos… I recently tried to install x265 in Oneiric Ocelot (which the owner of the computer couldn’t upgrade because the system had a weather station with proprietary drivers) and just couldn’t. All the Oneiric repository packages had been deleted! I even tried to ConfigureMakeInstall. I eventually run x265 for win32 in wine (I can post a screenshot if you want).

    “- Problems with testing patches, causing subsequent BSOD’s”

    Which were fixed pronto. Meanwhile, regressions in the linux kernel like the power management one back some time ago… how much time did it took them to fix it?

    “- Forcing yearly subscriptions for updates and annual leases to write documents”

    Huh? Office 2013 requires a subscription? That’s something I didn’t know. And anyway, if you “just need to write documents” and are paying for Office, you are dumb. Download WPS Office for free. Although freetards like you don’t mention this program, ever. They prefer to push LibreOffice, which basically functions as an advertisement for MS Office, because that’s were users run to after using Libre.


    Anything else?

    Why am I doing this? First of all, because I am procastinating when I should be writing my Thesis, and secondly, just to show you that Microsoft is not dying and is not an unmanageable beast.

  23. dougman says:

    Well, M$ is not a viable solution these days is it?

    Lets count the ways:

    – 5 firmware updates to Surface 3 in 2 months, problems not solved.
    – Misleading Slides (
    – Laying off 18K employees
    – China banning Windows 8
    – China planning to develop it’s own OS (
    – Rush to market Windows 9, as Windows 8 never took off.
    – A major portion of apps in the M$ app store are bogus, M$ has not addressed so as to inflate its real app numbers.
    – Problems with testing patches, causing subsequent BSOD’s
    – Forcing yearly subscriptions for updates and annual leases to write documents

  24. wolfgang says:


    reality is that pc not going away. microsoft not going away either. twenty years of shouting that microsoft are blockheads and linux is way to go and only wait for next year have no effect on reality.

    reality is that more an more competition is good for skilled competitor. microsoft has been selling pc software for 30 years and knows how to sell. linux fans not really selling ever, just avoiding costs. when it comes to selling ice cubes to eskimos, company needs sales force with know how. that be microsoft.

  25. oiaohm says:

    grep ‘libXfont.*(deleted)’ /proc/*/maps
    kurkosdr by the way the command at tmrepostory is wrong. The command here is a replacement for that particular case. Does not require you to know the exact process with the problem. Single lines tell you so much.

    grep ‘/lib/.*(deleted)’ /proc/*/maps
    grep ‘/bin/.*(deleted)’ /proc/*/maps

    This is quite nicely generic. With a few more lines of code you will get something nice like what I normally use that list all the effected applications right down to what package they own to.

    This is the problem its not hard to have scripts to detect anything not fully updated. Tricker is applying a hot patch. There is a reason why you want trained administrators using Linux.

  26. oiaohm says:

    By the way debian is not the latest version of carrier grade Linux because the latest version mandates built in kernel patching as well as application patching. Application hot patching has been mandated in carrier grade Linux since 2006. So a distributions that support newest carrier grade Linux really does not need reboots for security grounds. Carrier grade does need reboots in times for performance and ram usage reasons but these can always be scheduled to best times. Yes there are performance costs to hot patching instead of restarting applications same with hot patching kernel.

    Yes the reason why scanning proc maps can find a list of application using deleted binaries is so carrier grade distribution update systems can work. Something that did not cross the tmrepostories people mind that it was fairly simple to find because it had to be.

  27. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr both of those links are incomplete information. Neither in fact contain any evidence mandating a reboot. Restart of services maybe not a reboot.

    Why a restart of services maybe.

    In fact everything talked about in those two links don’t apply to carrier grade rated Linux Distributions this includes install options of Debian. Why requirement to be a carrier grade is hotpatching of applications. So removing all cases of old libxfont could be forced out of memory. All those really give is an example to find applications running out of date libraries. But due to the high level of incompetent at tmrepostory no one there knows carrier so cannot write the fact you can replace libraries in applications while they are running. Also those at tmrepostory are not aware that dpkg used at the base of debian is in fact extend-able. Carrier Grade Linux version of debian in fact reports at the end of a apt-get anything running old libraries to give option to restart or hotpatch. This is in fact a mandatory requirement to be able to claim carrier grade status with a Linux Distribution. Not all Linux Distributions are created equal. Not all Debian installs are equal either.

  28. kurkosdr wrote, “Linux DOES REQUIRE reboots”

    Of course that’s true. To change some of the running software one needs to restart it and for parts of the OS that means reboots. However, that other OS does re-re-rebooting. I’ve done installations where there were several re-re-reboots. I’ve had it insist on re-re-rebooting in the middle of my lecture when I had a projector attached. Stuff like that makes me sick. That other OS used to demand a re-re-reboot upon every updating session. Then they figured out how to skip some of that but users were so used to re-re-rebooting they kept suggesting re-re-rebooting. Then there were the BSODs… I feel sick just remembering the time I wasted re-re-rebooting. When XP was new, it could not run a week on the little woman’s PC without re-re-rebooting. That’s an absolute nightmare compared to the even flow of life with GNU/Linux.

  29. kurkosdr says:

    “and re-re-reboots”

    Evicence that Linux DOES REQUIRE reboots: (go ahead read it, it’s good information, I promise)

    Unless a counter-argument exists, stop the “re-re-reboots” talk.

  30. DrLoser wrote, “Let’s get away from NT. Done! Just buy XP. Maybe a month’s worth of haggling with M$.”

    Actually, the plan was to get away from M$, not just NT. M$ designed things to make that difficult. Don’t blame Munich for that. Buying XP would have cost them about as much as migrating to GNU/Linux and then there’s migrating to “7”… and all those vulnerabilities and malware and re-re-reboots. By spreading the migration out over many years the per-year cost was much less. Good for them and their taxpayers.

  31. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr the tech overlaps between Android and Desktop Linux are in face happening. So android is not zero help.

    ashmen in android in mainline Linux this is memfd + Transcendent Memory. Android has been a very good play ground to test out a stack of technology solutions. Of course most of the items from Android are being treated with the general prototype rule. The general prototype rule.
    1) make a prototypes.
    2) test prototypes.
    3) review prototypes.
    4) dispose of prototypes.
    5) make final design based off what prototype taught you.

    By the way no way to pinch and zoom with a mouse is true. But using touch you don’t have a scroll wheel to zoom with either. Yes Android does support hold control and spin mouse wheel to zoom to be fun Android also support control +/- to zoom as well. lot of touch gestures were invented to match up with what mouse and keyboard can do.

    Using a touch screen system without knowing the gestures you are screwed same with using a keyboard and mouse without knowing how to use them properly either. Interfaces require some training.

  32. kurkosdr says:

    “You can hook those up to many smartphones and all tablets… ”

    Kinda-sorta. I run Android 4.1.2 on an ODROID-U3, because screw sanity (sanity is for people over 30). Surprisingly, it mostly works, but there are sometimes like wanting to zoom-in in Chrome, where using a keyboard and mouse fails (no way to pinch-to-zoom), or EA mobile games not working. On a tablet, you could use the touchscreen, but it negates the point of connecting a mouse.

    Also, some touch gestures which make perfect sense on a touchscreen are annoying with a mouse and keyboard. For example, reliance on the back button and having to long-press things.

    Anyway, point is, Android cannot seriously replace a PC, no matter what post-PC puff pieces say. There is no chance Android is going to de-seat a Windows PCs, or even help Desktop Linux.

    Oh, and the PC market isn’t declining. It’s mature. What is the browser share for PC browsers and mobile browsers? People are still usings PCs a lot.

  33. DrLoser wrote, “It ain’t gonna be no cost-saver, I can promise you that.”
    The cost of the migration pretty much balanced one rollout of M$’s OS. Doing that every few years forever is an infinite sum, and something easily avoided. It will cost them peanuts to upgrade their hardware and software from no on. It really doesn’t matter how long it took because an infinite sum trumps a one-time cost. I’ve administered both systems and GNU/Linux is much less work.

  34. DrLoser says:


    The templates, applications, and OS all were big moves. They were under no deadline except to get away from NT.

    You didn’t listen to a word I said, did you, Robert?

    Here’s the plan, in 2004 or whenever it was.
    1) Get away from twelve separate departments with 2000 separate templates.
    1a) Rationalise the damned things, dummies! Let’s see. Two years for a staff of thirty people (including analysts and bosses). Done, by 2006!
    2) Let’s get away from NT. Done! Just buy XP. Maybe a month’s worth of haggling with M$.
    Not ten years of futility.

    And, “under no deadline?”

    What sort of a business or governmental discipline might that be, pray, Robert?

    It ain’t gonna be no cost-saver, I can promise you that.

  35. dougman says:

    I once built a rebuilt a car over a year, manufactures can build one in less then 30-minutes. We both did the same thing, but at very different rates of production, so what if it took 10-years, all eyes were on the “objective”, which they accomplished.

  36. DrLoser wrote, “nobody in their right minds…”

    That completely neglects that Munich also did a complete reorganization of IT in that time, all for no extra cost. The big guys take two or three years to merge IT from two parties to one. Munich brought 12 departments each with their own random IT under one roof. The templates, applications, and OS all were big moves. They were under no deadline except to get away from NT. It just doesn’t matter near as much how long it took as that it got done and they are better off going forward. If they stayed with that other OS they would have migrated twice by now, most likely at huge cost for little benefit.

  37. DrLoser says:

    Munich is dangerous to Microsoft because it sets an example; it shows how a whole city can completely abandon Microsoft and do a lot better thereafter, not just for privacy/autonomy/security reasons but also for technical reasons, not to mention all the local jobs this creates (economic gain).

    Sure, Dougie, Munich sets an example all right.

    For the technically knowledgeable (which evidently does not include you, surprisingly enough), it sets an example of the worst possible way to botch a simple consolidation of process and services and even templates. You do know that 80% of the effort in LiMux was to do with consolidating templates, don’t you?

    I mean, nobody in their right minds would truly believe that it takes ten years to move from one platform to another. Hundreds of companies — including John Lewis in the UK, who are currently the subject of freetard froth — have moved from XP to 7 in roughly eighteen months. Thousands of companies, on the other hand, can move seamlessly from RHEL X to RHEL Y, given a six month planning cycle.

    Ten years of utter, thorough-going, incompetency, Dougie. That’s what we’re looking at here.

    And as for “local employment?” Fine if the people you employ are remotely competent, which is evidently not the case for Munich. All they managed here is to keep a bunch of worthless losers on the public teat for ten whole years to no obvious effect.

    Besides, have you heard of David Ricardo?

    You don’t need to keep things local, when the local yokels are incompetent.

    You need to have a local economy where people can sell, say, mint-flavoured pine cones to yuppies in Redmond.

    If you can sell a box of mint-flavoured pine cones to a yuppie in Seattle, then you earn, say, $50.

    If you buy proper software from the Evil Ones in Seattle, then you pay, say, $50.

    Shame you never got past the sixth grade, Dougie. This stuff has been patently obvious since the eighteenth century …

  38. Mats Hagglund says:

    ChromeBook marketshare was 3.7% (Q2 2014) almost three times the figure of year before. So actually Wintel is not growing at all. It’s waning. I can’t remember the figures of MacBook sale.

  39. ram says:

    Modern laptops are flimsy and overpriced. The keyboards fail after only a month or so of use. The screens fail after a year. That, and many have that pesky UEFI “feature” which makes installation of user preferred operating systems a nightmare. It is no wonder they are not selling!

    By contrast, I have an (ancient) IBM Thinkpad 765D (Pentium II MMX, 166 MHz) that is STILL running. Depending which swapable hard drive I have in it, it runs OS/2v4 or Linux. Mostly it now only used as a MIDI filter. Still, it is amazing everything on it still works.

  40. DrLoser wrote, “In what way is a Linux desktop/notebook/tablet/phone more efficient than a proprietary equivalent?”

    Efficiency may be measured many ways but it comes down to results/effort. With GNU/Linux on a desktop one gets the desired result: documents read/produced/modified/distributed for a similar effort to the non-FREE stuff minus the licensing fees, the absurd restrictions on what can be done with your PC, endless re-re-reboots, malware, and so on. Just the fact that an installation/update can be a simple copy-operation reduces the effort for system management, part of the picture. With the non-Free stuff there is always some accounting burden, licensing hoops to traverse, and of course, an infinite stream of fees. For example, if I were equipping 100 PCs with LibreOffice on GNU/Linux, I would not have to pay any fee at all and I can set up an installation on one machine and copy to any number of others with no permission required except what accompanies the software as distributed. With the non-Free stuff, one has to set up a budget for licensing, pay the fees, and install on particular machines only or report installations or verify installations to some external busybodies. It’s just so much easier with FLOSS. From the user’s standpoint there may be very little difference in result/effort but the fact that the latest version can be installed anytime it’s wanted instead of on M$’s schedule means that users get what they need when they need it with no waiting. Further, the nag that one’s files may not be readable by others or vice-versa is a two-way street and the organization that follows truly open standards is less likely to be part of the problem. The vast majority of documents are usually used in-house anyway. The ones going out are mostly readonly as are the ones coming in, normal correspondence. Clearly, archival documents are better off not being attached to a moving target like M$’s stuff.

    In schools where I worked, if a teacher wanted some particular function being provided, I often was able to supply it in a few minutes unlike that non-Free stuff that might require months to get all the approvals and funding. e.g. a relational database of materials in the lab or classroom. No server licence required. No server required. Just run MySQL or PostgreSQL on a PC. That’s amazingly efficient if just a few such installations need to be. If the whole organization is using a database, the server licences and CALs can be $0 with FLOSS. Most folks report about even productivity with FLOSS and anywhere from 1/4 to 2/3 of the effort. I think for schools it’s about half on the capital cost and about 1/5 or so on the maintenance. The increased efficiency is huge.

  41. dougman says:

    Efficiency you say? LOL…more like bribes and outright lies.

    Hmmm…Limux is a project which, up until days ago, has been widely reported as successful. It’s been going on for ten years and now, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it’s a failure – according to one politician. This is a single politician in the German government trying to derail the project for personal gain, pure and simple. (BRIBES)

    Despite headwinds from the town hall tip: CSU, SPD and Greens in the Munich City Council include a change of LiMux back to Microsoft currently has. Even CSU councilors call LiMux criticism as “extraneous individual opinions”.

    Microsoft announced last year that it was moving its German headquarters to Munich. This move is planned to take place in 2016.”…now I wonder why they are doing that?

    They want the public to believe, yet again, that Munich’s migration (which saved a lot of money and was defended by officials repeatedly) is a failure. Microsoft did this many times before and even tried using bribes, bogus ‘reports’, proxy attacks etc. Munich is dangerous to Microsoft because it sets an example; it shows how a whole city can completely abandon Microsoft and do a lot better thereafter, not just for privacy/autonomy/security reasons but also for technical reasons, not to mention all the local jobs this creates (economic gain).

    With Russia and China abandoning Microsoft, they are pushing hard on Munich.

  42. DrLoser says:

    Governments are changing because taxpayers demand efficiency.

    In theory, yes, Robert. That is the way things should go. Efficiency is the prime motivator behind Munich’s upcoming reversion from a home-brew Linux distro to Windows … after all, if you can’t talk to anybody outside Munich, how efficient could you possibly be?

    But actually neither governments nor voters give a toss about “efficiency.” They can’t see it, they can’t measure it, they don’t care.

    But let’s open the discussion on “efficiency” anyway. In what way is a Linux desktop/notebook/tablet/phone more efficient than a proprietary equivalent?

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