Struggle for Freedom in El Salvador

For most of my adult life El Salvador has been in the news as a troubled place surrounded by violence and oppression. There are positive signs like this one:
Despite hundreds of years of Spanish, USAian imperialism and tyrants the country is taking reasonable shape including modernization of IT. Android/Linux is thriving as it is the quickest and least expensive means of bringing Internet-connectivity to the ordinary people. GNU/Linux is part of the strategy of opening the government to increase democratic participation. This is a global movement. The El Savadorans are sharing information with other countries such as Uruguay.

The government of El Salvador has provided infrastructure for GNU/Linux distros in the country. India has set up training programmes for students in Cuba and El Salvador.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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15 Responses to Struggle for Freedom in El Salvador

  1. oiaohm says:

    bw the answer is something you keep on overlooking. The most highly populated countries like china and india are in the asia pool of IP address. So they run out of IPv4 along time ago. So their mobile phone networks are 4G/3G IPv6. So those countries are fairly much masked out of the numbers from showing up properly.

    iOS devices mostly have sold in USA and other places with IPv4 still used in their mobile phone systems.

    Web numbers plain and simple no matter how you cut it are not going to tell the truth comparing iOS to Android.

    So bw we don’t have solid numbers what is going on. It also does not help that poor countries also had insanely high piracy rates. So Linux item replacing pirated items don’t improve or harm Microsoft bottom line now. This is future harm from the blockage to the means to grow.

    bw Windows OS sales are down even Microsoft last report admits this. Growth is missing in Microsoft. Microsoft also has prevent some of fall out by increasing anti-piracy enforcement. That is the thing anti-piracy enforcement only will mask the issue for so long.

    bw microsoft is falling in some departments. Microsoft diversity has held so far.

    The most critical in the next 12 months is how the steam box effects the game stations.

  2. bw says:

    He even has it backwards

    Only if you can’t follow the context. Your cites for Malaysia and India were for Operating Systems and now you shift to Mobil Operating Systems. which apparently has a whole different sample base.

    In the original context iOS is showing to be twice as popular as Android, namely 4.42% to 2.13%. Since your fundamental premise is that “small cheap computers” are laying waste to traditional units, which would impact Microsoft’s Windows OS sales negatively, it is significant that the “traditional” internet usage of PCs is not changing at any sort of rate that would indicate a direct replacement mechanism wherein a phone sale could be equated to the loss of a computer sale.

    That jibes with my belief, that the markets are mostly separable and only tangentially bear on one another. Unanswered still is the question as to why iOS units seem to have 4x the affect on the traditional PC market as does Android.

  3. bw wrote, with no evidence, “World-wide, the ratio is more than 2 to 1 in favor of iOS. “

    He even has it backwards. It’s 2:1 in favour of Android/Linux

  4. bw says:

    e.g. Malaysia

    World-wide, the ratio is more than 2 to 1 in favor of iOS. Searching around for anomalous regions doesn’t shed any light on the question. Maybe the Malaysians and Indians are poverty-stricken to the point that there are next to no sales of iOS devices in those regions. Who cares? It is a world-wide question. If there are twice as many Android devices in the world as Apple devices but the Apple devices show up on internet metrics twice as often, what accounts for this 4x usage rate?

  5. bw, still chewing on a dead bone, wrote, ” Imagine eBay on such a little screen.”

    There’s an app for that. While browsing to a normal site with a smartphone may be awkward, many sites sense the client and adjust formatting accordingly. I know several young folk who have no problem doing everything including content-generation on a smartphone. It’s a whole new ballgame for us old folks…

    bw also nagged, “why Android has such a small comparative result to iOS which presumably has the same sort of environment to deal with.”

    That may be true in USA/Europe, but many regions see way more Android/Linux. e.g. Malaysia: both around 5.4%, ie. 10.8% that M$ doesn’t get. That’s with Apple having a lead and lots of hype… Taiwan: Android 5.69% – iOS 3.73%

    It’s quite variable from one region to another. In India, a year and a bit ago, iOS was ahead 0.6% to 0.3% for Android but today Android has 3.23% and iOS has 1.22%, quite a rapid reversal of fortune. OTOH, ~1billion units have been sold in that period and this is all the share they get in the webstats…

  6. dougman says:

    “Imagine eBay on little screen”….. this is why there are mobile apps specifically built for such use, like you did not already know that.

    BW, living in the past and avoiding the subject altogether, ponders why desktop and laptops computers using Windows, seem to still outpace Linux tablets and phones. However, in the real world, “Linux Tablets to Overtake PCs & Notebooks Running Windows OS Combined”

    http://www.webpronews.com/tablet-market-to-overtake-pcs-notebooks-combined-2013-11

  7. oiaohm says:

    bw there is a problem. Web stats and carrier numbers completely disagree. Now thinking most mobile phone networks don’t give phones/tablets… direct IP addresses. You are behind a NAT of some form. Thailand is particular bad they are 4G network. So IPv6 how many websites are IPv6. The answer is very few. So IPv6 to IPv4 translation is going on. So site are not logging real source location.

    Add in some mandatory for privacy cookie and tracking marker filtering as enforced by Thailand law on the mobile phone networks(yes laws created to prevent carriers tracing people without a court order makes them anti web stats). Basically web stats about Thailand is going to tell you complete bogus stuff about anything using the mobile phone network. Thailand is not the only problem this way. China and its great firewall also is a problem this way along with many other countries.

    So of course Android is going to be invisible. So is going to be a percentage of PC computers.

    bw this is the problem you are presume that web stats have to be near correct. There is no evidence that this is the case. There is a lot of evidence between filtering and address translation and lack of IPv6 that web stats are mostly bogus.

    Final thing is the size of the internet. As I have pointed out many times even if every device was showing up it should only be a few percent. So there is a big problem with the likes of Windows 8 being over represented.

  8. bw says:

    I think that it is true that phones and even tablets do not get a lot of use web surfing to general purpose sites. Thus they do not show up in any significant way against traditional PCs which are used for that purpose when necessary. Imagine eBay on such a little screen.

    Unanswered by that, though, is why Android has such a small comparative result to iOS which presumably has the same sort of environment to deal with.

  9. dougman says:

    “BTW, how is it that Android always shows up so faintly in spite of the huge shipping numbers claimed?” BW sounds just like Piers Morgan, asking rhetorical questions to further push his agenda.

    Currently, Android is 81% of market share.

    http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/android-is-our-ms-dos/

  10. bw wrote “the companies that measure internet usage and capture device identity do not show Android devices being used for whatever is being measured at the presumed frequency that they exist. What can explain that?”

    How about the sites that those Android/Linux devices connect to not being in statcounters’ stables? While StatCounter and others have large stables, the really popular sites and the ones visited globally are not among them. Those kinds of sites do their own counting. If you want global stats, ask an ISP. Most seem too busy to bother gathering stats.

  11. bw says:

    So much for the crap about Android showing faintly

    You run around Robin Hood’s barn with your long-winded anecdotes and schoolboy sniggering, but you fail to contribute any useful information. It is accepted that the world, including Thailand, is rife with Android devices, but the companies that measure internet usage and capture device identity do not show Android devices being used for whatever is being measured at the presumed frequency that they exist. What can explain that? Apparently you do not know.

  12. dougman says:

    5 years I say..no one will need or want Windows anymore.

    If M$ were smart, they would build there own Android, Chrome device and Linux distribution.

  13. Bob says:

    bw asked “how is it that Android always shows up so faintly in spite of the huge shipping numbers claimed?”. It’s a fair question. I don’t claim to know the answer but I suspect that the numbers are just bullshit.
    I live in Chiang Mai Thailand mostly and I do not drive anymore so I use their public transport system such as it is. In my observation most anyone under 40, and some over that age, are using smart devices when travelling. IThingoes are not unknown but most of what I see is Android.
    Similarly, when I go to bars or restaurants I mostly go to places where the menus are written only in Thai. Half price that way! In such places I’ve never seen an iDevice. However everyone from the age of 5 up has a smart device, phone or tablet. The iMobile brand tends to dominate here. Guess what? None of this stuff is running IOS or WondersRT. It’s Android!
    A computer group I attend on a weekly basis comprises almost only English speakers. At one time I attended not for the computer stuff but because it was the only time I got to speak English in that period. This group is divided about 45%/45% between Android and IOS. The remaining 10% spend their time bleating about what they can not get working in Wonders. No one cares anymore.
    The other group I attend are more techie, mostly web guys. I have not polled them exhaustively but mostly they say the use only Linux.
    So much for the crap about Android showing faintly.

  14. bw says:

    Yet another impoverished banana republic scratching for existence has propelled Linux to 1% user share.

    BTW, how is it that Android always shows up so faintly in spite of the huge shipping numbers claimed?

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