Laptop Computers At Walmart Now Include Lots Of */Linux

Wow! What a difference a few years make. It was only a few years ago that Walmart sold out of GNU/Linux netbooks and proclaimed buyers returned them… Now lists Linpus GNU/Linux, Chrome OS GNU/Linux, and even Android/Linux notebooks. Some are in the top ten of best-sellers.

Laptop Computers.

Here are a couple of Chromebooks high in the best-sellers list:

Walmart still seems confused by a choice of operating systems. They show Android and Linux but where is Chrome OS???

Buyers don’t seem confused. 68% of viewers of the Exynos 5 Chromebook bought it. Wow! Wintel should worry!

How about this typical review?

I want to rush out and buy one… I think this explains a lot of the “pop” GNU/Linux had in 2013:

Source: StatCounter Global Stats – Operating System Market Share

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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30 Responses to Laptop Computers At Walmart Now Include Lots Of */Linux

  1. bw wrote, “Microsoft coddles their customers.”

    Hmmmm… M$’s biggest customers are OEMs.

    M$’s opinion of a request by HP to modify the Lose ’98 booting:“My comments: < < >>
    1. Leave the channel bar closed when the user gets to the desktop for the first time.
    «As Dale knows. we can’t allow them to do this. “there are contractual obligations with the ICPs on the Active Channel bar that be shown…»
    2. Allow the Pavilion system set up to run and complete before the appearance of the Welcome to Windwos (RP:sic, not a typo) dialog box.
    < >”

    See. Definitely not coddling. Playing rock music would not fly in some churches or very conservative societies. Wintel was sold all over the world, not just in USA. These units were to be sold to first-time buyers, many of whom may not know how to click on the “X” to close a window. These were the days of rapidly expanding unit sales. M$ regularly dictated to OEMs so they could do little to distinguish the OEM’s product from other OEM’s product.

  2. dougman says:

    Sans countering what I mentioned and in response to your drivelling BS, you decide to go off some idiotic tangent and attack not only me but the blog owner.

    Makes one wonder how much $$$ bw makes from M$ these days….hmmmmmmm.

    Oh yea M$ coddles it customers with BS, for examples. Instead of conveying how fast the tablet’s processor is, it needs to tell people how Windows 8 on Surface will make their lives easier, it does not even attempt to do this. Its more like, just shut-up and buy our crap, we know whats best for our consumers. Kinda like how you act on here bw, eh?

  3. bw says:

    M$ does not do that…

    I looked in my encyclopedia to see why it might be worth paying the price for a quality education and I found your picture under “Don’t let this happen to you!”. You cannot substitute Google for finishing high school and going to college, dougman. You will just forever continue to stumble along as you do and never even realize what you are always missing. Maybe that is a blessing for some.

    You cannot even evaluate your Google results effectively. Your cite goes on to relate where old timers have no brand loyalty to insurance companies and totally misses the obvious. Old timers are loyal to their doctors and choose whatever insurance company has those doctors in their corral. The insurance companies know this, I know this, you should know it too, but seem to resist learning even when it is free.

    Microsoft coddles their customers. You and Pogson, too, have so little experience in the real world of tech users in society. Pogson was apparently working in the wilds at rural schools where his pinchpenny attitudes were tolerated and even encouraged, so he was at least effective. You, on the other hand, simply lack any direct experience.

    You have missed the boat. Maybe you can recover, maybe not.

  4. dougman says:

    Broken Windows, spewing forth his verbal diarrhea again.

    Automobiles, ARE personal conveyance, specially built for THAT task. Just like M$ Windows, is specially built to consume your money and make shareholders money, plain and simple.

    According to a recent HBR article and Forbes, all your salient knowledge on market and branding is wrong. Did you all of a sudden become a marketing guru?

    Accordingly, what needs to be done, you need to establish yourself as the benchmark of excellence within your market. The key to achieving this lies in a concept known as ‘Preeminence’, you’ve got to fall in love with your clients. and in turn they will be loyal to you.

    M$ does not do that, they could care less if your computer boots or not, or that the fact that the majority of people hated the METROFAIL checkerboard in Windows 8, but shipped it anyway.

    Branding Myths:
    1. Customers want to have relationships with brands. (FALSE)
    The truth: 77 percent don’t.

    2. An increase in interactions is always the answer. (FALSE)
    The truth: Your customers can suffer from information overload.

    3. Loyalty comes from regularly engaging with a brand. (FALSE)
    The truth: Brand loyalty is built on shared values.

    “Having shared values—similar opinions or a common philosophy on a particular issue—was the only significant driver for brand relationships with the few consumers who wanted one.

    Apple, Dell, HP and Samsung ship products that sell, hence the reason for the emergence of Android and ChromeOS. M$ on the other hand, will try to cram what they think the market wants, and fail every time. Surface, 8 and RT being prime examples.

  5. bw says:

    Nope. An automobile is just transportation

    If you actually think that way, there is little hope that you will ever understand how things actually work. People are very brand loyal when it comes to cars, just as when it comes to computers or phones or tablets. Microsoft and Apple and Dell and HP and Sony and Samsung and anyone else that has managed to stay in business in a high tech/cost market know that too. The Linux fans do not seem to grasp this very well. It is not a logical process. It depends on hype and sizzle and lots of other things. Even FUD. That’s why FUD works.

    Check out Uruguay: 13% of page-views, so, perhaps every 8th person is using it

    Are you sure that you are reading this correctly? The chart shows separate lines for iOS and OSX, so they are counting mobile as well as traditional computers. But there is only a Linux line, suggesting that Android is being counted along with Linux. So how much of that is actually Linux? Note, too, that there is no line for GNU/Linux at all. They apparently never heard of that.

  6. bw wrote, “Products are what people perceive them to be.”

    Nope. An automobile is just transportation. A pill rarely solves real problems.

    bw wrote, “you would be hard pressed to find anyone walking down the street that would say they had ever heard of it.”

    Nope, again. Check out Uruguay: 13% of page-views, so, perhaps every 8th person is using it. You can meet that many people at a red light. Worldwide, they show 1.09% and USA, they show as high as 2.31% in June. It would not be hard to find a user at those rates. Near a retail store selling GNU/Linux the share would be much higher. Some fraction may also know Android/Linux is a Linux OS so the number could easily be several times higher. I have been in a couple of remote northern communities and met people who knew about GNU/Linux before I arrived, students, teachers and computer geeks are everywhere using it. Enlightened countries like Finland, Germany and France have much higher counts.

  7. bw says:

    There is no such singularity

    Products are what people perceive them to be. There are Windows computers, there are Apple computers, there are ‘Droid phones, there are iPhones, there are iPads, and then there are “others”. Amazon has gotten a lot of publicity in recent years for Kindle and Kindle Fire, Barnes and Noble had a good start with Nook, but fell off the chart as the race developed.

    Linux is a rarely encountered product in the “others” pigeonhole and you would be hard pressed to find anyone walking down the street that would say they had ever heard of it. That is the reality and you will someday perhaps come to realize that.

  8. Foobar wrote, “the Linux operating system.”

    There is no such singularity. GNU/Linux, and Android/Linux are quite different operating systems having different goals, platforms and users. GNU/Linux is all about getting the best performance out of any hardware. Android/Linux is all about making an easy to use OS for consumers of all kinds, ages, wealth, experience, etc. GNU/Linux is fairly comfortable for any novice especially if they have any experience of XP or predecessors. Android/Linux is fairly comfortable for anyone with fingers. You can run an Android environment on GNU/Linux and you can run a GNU/Linux environment on Android/Linux to get the best of both worlds but it is not essential and the world enjoys both. Linux is a kernel, just a small but important part of any stored-programme computer except maybe a controller and even then Linux usually rides with lots of GNU stuff just because that’s easier. To use Linux by itself would be extremely limited. Linux was not designed to be an OS on its own.

    A lot of people call GNU/Linux Linux. They should similarly call Android/Linux Linux but they don’t. Live with it.

  9. Not quite sure why you keep insisting on using the Stallman-butthurt phrase “GNU/Linux” to refer to the Linux operating system. Here in the real world we simply call it Linux.

  10. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser by english devised invention is valid.

    But that one patent is one true invented invention in Chromebooks.

    Sorry in the technically correct use of the word a invention can be devised on invented. You should have used the word invented not invention. You call be a fool no it you being a idiot with english.

    The problem is your personal define of invention does not line up with the official english define of invention.

    Chromebooks are part devised invention being Chrome OS and invented invention being the firmware and hardware and how it worked to maintain security.

    Sorry you personal bias of english have got you into trouble here Dr Loser.

    Please reason meaning number 3 again.

    Anything Invented or devised is an invention. Note or only 1 has to be true. Since you admit chromebook is devised it is a invention.

    Yes that script you assembled in a invention.

    Invention is one of the most useless words to use solo.

    Most cases to be using correct english with the meaning you were attempting to say Dr Loser you should have been writing Patentable Invention. Generic term Invention is too open.

    You claim to be able to read english yet you claimed 2 and 3 in the set of defines of invention was identical. Please read again and admit they are not identical. Please in future use the word invention correctly Dr Loser with the required extra words to define the meaning you are talking about.

  11. Dr Loser says:

    The “horible world of english double meaning” is actually quite simple to parse, provided that you can read and write English, oiaohm.

    In the case of the ChromeBook, the patent you cite may well be an invention. I can’t be bothered to look it up, although I note with interest that the general opinion on this site is that all software (including procedures to install a BIOS) is just math, and math is ipso facto not patentable.

    As for “devise?” See, the thing about dictionaries is that they try to guide the curious to a general sense of what is meant. It is true that Google have “devised” the ChromeBook. It is also true that I have, in the last five minutes, “devised” a program in Perl that does find/xargs grep in a single step.

    Would I call that an “invention?” No.

    Only an idiot would call something which is merely “devised” an invention.

    Over to you for your next inevitable sally into the intellectual wilderness.

  12. oiaohm says:
    Of course DR Loser would fail todo as instruction. I told you to read and pull your head in.

    The key difference between a Chromebook and netbook in described in that patent.

    You claimed that a Chromebook is not patentable this is not true. You cannot build a chromebook without that patent.

    What is patentable is the unique feature of the bios of the Chromebook to aquire a new image of Chrome OS from the Internet and install it in a secure and clean.

    Also you need to look up devised. Something that is devised does not have to be made from new and unique parts. Failing to understand one word means you fail to see that a chromebook is an invention.

    A chromebook is a devised form of invention. Most devised forms of inventions are not patentable as a whole.

    Dr Loser “1. To form, plan, or arrange in the mind; design or contrive: ”

    devise is a very open term. It has no requirement to invent anything. Yes an invention counter to common logic does not have to have anything new invented. Just has to be a pack of existing parts assembled in a new paterrn.

    Dr Loser who was shipping a device that default started in web-browser before chromebooks. No one right. So Google created a devised invention not a invented invention.

    Welcome to the horible world of english double meaning. Invented invention is what a USA patent covers.

  13. Dr Loser says:

    Um, oiaohm, you do realise that (3) is just a restatement of (2), don’t you?

    Possibly not.

    I say again: the ChromeBook is a fine little machine in its way. But it’s not an invention. It’s just a netbook with a browser-centric OS.

  14. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser invention still apply s to chrome OS and chrome-books.

    the act of inventing.
    U.S. Patent Law. a new, useful process, machine, improvement, etc., that did not exist previously and that is recognized as the product of some unique intuition or genius, as distinguished from ordinary mechanical skill or craftsmanship.
    anything invented or devised.
    the power or faculty of inventing, devising, or originating.
    an act or instance of creating or producing by exercise of the imagination, especially in art, music, etc. —

    Meaning 3 is valid for Chrome OS. The reason why Chrome OS is not a new invention to get a patent is the prior art Dr Loser.
    The newspaper tablet. 1994 display of. The patent on it is 1988. 20 year expiry 2008.

    By the way Dr Loser google did get a patent grant over Chrome OS.
    Read and pull you head in Dr Loser. Chrome OS and Chrome-books are patentable inventions in particular areas. There are many unique features to the Chrome-books boot process.

  15. Dr Loser says:

    Regrettably, oiaohm, you appear not to be able to understand the term invention.

    U.S. Patent Law. a new, useful process, machine, improvement, etc., that did not exist previously and that is recognized as the product of some unique intuition or genius, as distinguished from ordinary mechanical skill or craftsmanship.

    This is not a difficult concept to comprehend. The ChromeBook, whatever its merits, is not an invention.

    And as an aside, the number of fools who root it and replace the original (perfectly respectable) OS with anything else is asymptotically close to zero.

  16. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser workstation with a equal to a web-browser historically was patented. Cannot be patented again due to prior patent. It was patented as a newspaper replacement.

    Sorry it does qualify as a invention. Just not a new invention Dr Loser.

    Dr Loser particular chromebooks have very good battery life so are very nice Linux machines when converted.

  17. bw says:

    Look at the percentage growth of share

    Does the term “margin of error” ring any bells? Given the abuse you and some others here direct at these web stats, I am surprised that you are now relying on their accuracy. With such a small amount of Linux in use, it could vary 100% or more and still be just a mistake in a careless gather of data.

  18. Dr Loser says:

    I wasn’t questioning your ethics at all, Robert. I was merely questioning your intent to buy a Samsung ChromeBook.

    However, since you mention ethics, I do question those of most online product reviewers. It doesn’t matter what the product is; chainsaws, Russian novels, anything. I think it’s only sane to take the more gushy ones with a pinch of salt, particularly since so many are “planted.”

    TBH the one you quote (first on the list, so I doubt you looked very far) sounds like a plant. No maintenance? How would you know when you’ve just bought it? It’s an all-around amazing invention? Well, duh, it’s a notebook with a browser. The only amazing thing is that it doesn’t really do anything else. It doesn’t really qualify as an invention, does it? Could you patent it?

    I’m guessing you’ve got over your initial purchasing enthusiasm, and if so you would be right to do so.

  19. dougman says:

    Windows causes blindness.

    The 11″ Chromebook are #1, this is why all the other OEMs are jumping on board with their 11″ Chromebooks.

    Meanwhile, no one wants a Surface, RT or 8. Those devices are aptly setting on store shelves collecting dust.

  20. oiaohm says:

    Dr loser this summery is off.
    –This is a device that reminds me of a netbook. Very basic, low powered, marginal quality and actually the Windows netbook’s had a full OS. The Chromebook has nothing close. It has a Google ecosystem that you will be married too.–
    One compared to most Windows laptops Chromebooks are not that low in performance. 2 they are not locked to the Google ecosystem.

    Chromebooks include options to replace the firmware signing keys fairly simply.

    Dr Loser lot of users needs extend deeper than what chrome os provides so running in developer mode with a Linux chroot installed happens a lot.

    There is something interesting. By installing onto the SD card when chrome os updates your Linux remains.

    Yes unlike Windows chrome os is does not require chrome os removed to run Linux applications effectively.

  21. bw wrote, “Doesn’t strike me as “kicking butt””

    Look at the percentage growth of share. It’s phenomenal. The year started at 6.69% */Linux on Wikimedia and got as high as 10.92%, growth of 60% per annum. That’s wonderful. If that continues a few more years, */Linux will dominate the page-views. The sad thing for M$ and fans is that 60% growth is sustainable now that GNU/Linux is taking off on legacy clients and Android/Linux is rocking on smart thingies and prices have dropped to the point that another billion or so units could be sold in the next year.

  22. matchrocket wrote, “they are saying it’s not a piece of crap like Windows.”

    Amen. The number one thing I found in users of IT in schools was that they hated that M$’s crapware kept needing repair as if Mom’s bread recipe should need repair. Software is a bunch of steps after all. Why does M$’s recipe rot?

  23. Dr Loser, questioning my ethics, wrote, “Not really a “typical” review, is it, Robert?”

    This product has a ton of reviews and a high number of stars. Typically, folks found it worked for them. What do you want? stats? Look them up. They have a number next to the various levels of stars. I noticed many reviewers were women, just the target audience that ASUS aimed at with their first netbook. Many women feel no need of raw power if the thing responds instantly. How many times did folks rave about 10s booting?

  24. Dr Loser says:

    Not really a “typical” review, is it, Robert?
    Leaving aside the ruder ones, how about this fairly accurate summary?

    This is a device that reminds me of a netbook. Very basic, low powered, marginal quality and actually the Windows netbook’s had a full OS. The Chromebook has nothing close. It has a Google ecosystem that you will be married too.

    Let us know when you “rush out and buy one.” It’s not my $248, but then again my needs stretch further than expensive little toys like the Samsung.

  25. Richard says:

    It all depends what you use your computer for. For business you can go either with Linux or Windows.
    And of a few months ago for gaming you can use either.
    I’m a hardcore Slackware Linux user been using it for about 7 years now. I wouldn’t even think about installing Windows again. My last install for a friend that wanted Windows on her computer took 6 hours including the updates setting it up and the few programs she wanted installed.
    My last install of Slackware took less than 45 minutes to install, setup and install more than 300 packages.
    Windows is not even an option for me anymore, to slow and expensive.
    Linux is fast, free, stable and I never have any problems I can’t figure out on my own.

  26. matchrocket says:

    “…requires no “maintenance” like Windows laptops do.”

    Ouch! Not only are they coming right out and saying it’s not Windows, they are saying it’s not a piece of crap like Windows.

  27. bw says:

    */Linux with no monopoly leverage, just competing on price/performance is kicking butt

    We are talking about that red line on the bottom of the graph labeled “Linus” aren’t we? Doesn’t strike me as “kicking butt”, but then I am not such a fan as you are.

  28. bw wrote, ” Are you missing something here?”

    Nope. You are. */Linux with no monopoly leverage, just competing on price/performance is kicking butt. That other OS with all the advantages of the incumbent is declining seriously. The number of clients is ballooning and GNU/Linux is still growing. StatCounter is really undercounting smart thingies where M$ is absent.

  29. eug says:

    I saw a laptop with linpus.
    Big piece of sh*t.
    It came with no X.

  30. bw says:

    I think this explains a lot of the “pop” GNU/Linux had in 2013

    It is hard to judge such a tiny graphic, but it looks to me like Linux started and ended the period with the same result. It struggles to surpass “others” and never quite made it. Meanwhile, Windows 8, in spite of the world wide rejection you are reporting, soars into higher and higher visibility. Are you missing something here?

    Also, you are saying “lots” to reference the one Linux hit? Windows has 185 it seems. Even Android, which shouldn’t even be in the hunt, has 2.

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