Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel

“To allow comparing open source and proprietary solutions, we’ll make it compulsory to calculate the TCO over 4 years, including for maintenance, licences, migration and productivity.”

see Portuguese government set on increasing use of open source.

Chuckle. 4 years! They are being very generous. The longer the life-cycle, the more expensive that other OS becomes because of the increased lockin/exit costs. Whichever way you slice it capital costs of IT drop about 50% when using FLOSS and maintenance is even a larger drop, nearly 100% if you consider the cost of re-re-reboots and malware. A bloated monopoly just cannot compete on price/performance without huge cuts in prices.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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28 Responses to Portuguese government: Bye-bye Wintel

  1. oiaohm says:

    –So you are saying that SCO was bilked by Novell who sold them air in a jug at a high price? That seems rather shameful to me and Novell deserved to be run out of business by Microsoft.-
    SCO acquired what rights Novell had left. The jug SCO acquired was only useful to those who wanted to make a closed source Unix. Basically nothing to use against Linux or other Open Source.

    SCO failed to obey the basic buyer becareful.

    Microsoft has sold jugs of hot air before bw and expect to paid more for there intellectual property than what they are willing to pay for others intellectual property.

  2. lpbbear says:

    bLOwHARD contributes to global warming: “So you are saying that SCO was bilked by Novell who sold them air in a jug at a high price? That seems rather shameful to me and Novell deserved to be run out of business by Microsoft. Good riddance to such a scammer.”

    Why on earth is this moron allowed to post his shill BS here????

  3. bw says:

    Effectively SCO payed tens of millions of bucks for the basically nothing

    So you are saying that SCO was bilked by Novell who sold them air in a jug at a high price? That seems rather shameful to me and Novell deserved to be run out of business by Microsoft. Good riddance to such a scammer.

  4. bw wrote, ” They had paid tens of millions of bucks to Novell for something. What was it?”

    A distributorship.

  5. oiaohm says:

    bw
    –SCO was some sort of agent for Unix System V regardless of your disdain for them. They had paid tens of millions of bucks to Novell for something. What was it?–
    Effectively SCO payed tens of millions of bucks for the basically nothing.

    Novell even started this in court. The simple reality. Novell only could transfer limited trademark rights. Everything else has been lost in the BSD vs Novell case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_v._BSDi

    Basically SCO acquired a tainted code base. Yes there is code inside Linux that is inside Unix System V. Problem here that code is also in BSD that is fully legally free in clear.

    bw having regard for intellectual property is one thing. Using a known tainted code base to attempt to get payments is another.

    SCO was basically taking a document of a plagiarist and trying to attack the authors the plagiarist copied from.

    Yes standing against SCO is in fact standing for correct intellectual property rights.

    Finally some of the things SCO claimed about turned out to be code Novell put into LInux. Yes its valid license for the current copyright or prior holder to have re-licensed lines of code.

    SCO was enforcing the unenforceable.

  6. bw says:

    M$ worried enough to tip SCOG $millions to tax GNU/Linux

    SCO was some sort of agent for Unix System V regardless of your disdain for them. They had paid tens of millions of bucks to Novell for something. What was it?

    In any case, Microsoft was and is in the business of supplying a version of Novell’s Linux to commercial customers along with their own Windows and layered products. The payments to SCO were for licenses to use various things that seemed to go along with keeping themselves out of the fracas. It is like insurance against some flood that never materializes. Just good business.

    When the Android users infringe on Microsoft’s patents, it is only fair for them to have to take similar licenses or be shut down. You have no regard for intellectual property and want everything to be given to you at no charge. You are living in a dream world.

  7. oiaohm says:

    bw upgrades of existing hardware don’t help OEM’s.

    The volume of new Windows machines sold could not create a 5 percent market share shift.

  8. bw wrote, ” Microsoft doesn’t worry about Linux, so why should you worry about Microsoft?”

    M$ worried enough to tip SCOG $millions to tax GNU/Linux, sue the smart thingy-makers, and spread a whole lot of FUD.

  9. oiaohm says:

    lpbbear really there was 5 years of major desktop push then Linux Desktop stopped.

    Redhat and Suse both pulled there funding back for it. Also all those companies you listed focus on making the interface nice without the low level support.

    20 years attempting to get the desktop truly not. lpbbear think about how much from 1996 to about 2001 was invested in advertisement of the LInux desktop. After that point the major parties focused on server and embed and have been very successful.

  10. dougman says:

    Hmmm lets see, who is far more relevant Forbes or a biased blow-hard that sells Microsoft products?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/05/09/the-windows-8-flop-what-does-it-mean-for-microsoft/

    As Robert mentioned, no one is wanting Windows 8, as in their mind , it is the only viable option, till someone like myself shows them alternative solutions.

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nobody-wants-to-touch-windows-8-laptop-sales-suffer/

    M$ can blow all they wants about 8, Surface and RT but no one is rushing to buy the dust-collecting junk from store shelves.

    Windows 8 had a far slower uptake and took almost a year to surpass Vista, what does that tell you? WEAK….

    http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/

    With the large fall in desktops, Windows 8 can be the blame of course. No one wants it.

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153111-windows-8-causes-most-precipitous-pc-decline-in-history

    The next two releases of Windows will be met with even more skepticism and lack. There has been even talk of putting Windows on Android. See I mentioned this some time ago, that M$ will start looking at placing their bloated mess over top Linux and or Android in due time.

  11. lpbbear says:

    BTW, the vast majority of Windows users I have come into contact with absolutely hate Windows 8. The few that admit liking it say it gets ok….over time.

    Face it bLOwHARD, MIcrosoft squeezed out a turd with Windows 8.

  12. lpbbear says:

    bLOwHARD dribbled: “Microsoft doesn’t worry about Linux, so why should you worry about Microsoft?”

    Pog, I seriously cannot understand why you continue to allow that blithering pompous ahole idiot to post here? A crew of 2×4 wielding baseball batters could not pound sense into his thick stupid skull!

    When do the “bushwahs” start again bLOwHARD?

  13. lpbbear says:

    “bw really did Linux seriously go after the desktop for the past 20 years. The answer is no it did not.”

    You are not correct oiaohm.

    Linux was pushed very hard as a desktop product by several companies. In every example Microsoft attacked the companies directly or indirectly.

    Corel Linux: MIcrosoft managed to install a mole (Derek Burney) and bought up a approx. 25% share of stocks. Burney killed the Linux efforts and later went to work for Microsoft. Microsoft later dumped the stocks which tanked Corel. Corel was sold to Vector Capital.

    Xandros Linux: Xandros Linux was a very desktop oriented product. It was a very user friendly version of Linux that was quite popular with its users. It had a growing number of sales partners and was doing well until Microsoft began to use lawsuit patent threats against it. Eventually it “settled” for an undisclosed amount of money from Microsoft. Shortly after this its desktop efforts were killed and a number of so called “partnerships were announced. The company still exists in some strange zombie state. The product was so popular with users that the user forum surprisingly still exists and has regular former users still visiting and posting.

    Lindows/Linspire: Also attacked by Microsoft. Later also settled and was “bought” out by Xandros around the same time Xandros “settled. Xandros also killed those products in a strange turnabout.

    Caldera/SCO: Initially had a very strong desktop effort. Another situation where a leadership shakeup happened, a mole named Darl McBride became CEO and the whole ridiculous Microsoft backed “we own Linux gonna sue the world” fiasco occured.

    Suse Linux: Another strong Linux desktop product again threatened with patent lawsuits etc. and again “partnered” with Microsoft with millions changing hands. A lot of convoluted Microsoft backed buy ins and buyouts and Suse became just another neutered Linux desktop effort.

    There are more but those are the obvious ones. I’m sure Microsoft will continue to interfere with any future Linux desktops that may appear….including the new effort from Valve Software.

    Watch for it Valve.

  14. bw says:

    No, “8″ has not been accepted by the market

    I don’t know where you shop, but around here you can go into any place that sells computers and you will see a raft of Windows computers, all sporting Windows 8 and a couple of Apple computers, sometimes, off to the side. We have two Apple stores in town, and it think the Apple buyers go there rather than Best Buy, but maybe it is different in your neck of the woods.

    You go on about Dell opening up more outlets in China where they sell Ubuntu as well as Windows, but I betcha that they sell more machines with Windows 8 than they do with Ubuntu there, too. I don’t shop there, so I cannot be sure, but you don’t either and are in the same boat.

    You need to focus on what you are doing rather than what the other guy is doing. Microsoft doesn’t worry about Linux, so why should you worry about Microsoft? If Microsoft could take over each and every Linux PC out there, their share only increases by 1 to 2% which isn’t enough to thrill them anymore. They are focused on reselling to the 90% or more who already have a Windows computer. That is a much richer vein of ore to be mined than anything else around.

  15. bw wrote, ” Windows 8 has garnered nearly an order of magnitude more acceptance in the market in 20 weeks than Linux has in 20 years.”

    No, “8” has not been accepted by the market. It was largely forced on the market by M$ offering nothing better. M$ has had to relent and allow “7” to continue because it was accepted. You can see that in the web-stats. “7” is not declining despite the ramp in “8”. That is “8” is not replacing “7”. It’s just the default offering to consumers.
    “8” is slowing down while GNU/Linux continues to accelerate. After M$’s salesmen choked the retail channels and stuff got sold, the underlying growth was revealed to be little different from */Linux.

  16. oiaohm wrote, “did Linux seriously go after the desktop for the past 20 years. The answer is no it did not. If it did we would have seen X11 termination sooner.”

    There are different desktops. Business never had a problem with X11 but consumers may have for their games and such. I have read that 96% of enterprise desktops are thin clients, so X11 would have worked well for them to do their word-processing and such. X11 is great for thin clients on a private/local area network. e.g. In education where I worked, ~90% of the work was accomplished simply by installing X11 into the chroot of the thin clients on the server. So, X11 was a great force-multiplier for me. It would be a disaster for GNU/Linux to drop networked displays and they are not. Wayland and Mir will both have some way to do X.

  17. oiaohm says:

    bw funny that with Windows Phone Microsoft is talking about giving to HTC for free.

    Long term this may turn out to be MS biggest mistake. Remember Ubuntu plan is convergence. One OS all forms from 1 device.

    bw really did Linux seriously go after the desktop for the past 20 years. The answer is no it did not. If it did we would have seen X11 termination sooner.

  18. bw says:

    That bloated POS…

    You are entitled to your opinion, although you would be more entitled if you actually had any background, experience, and education that qualified your opinion. That was not the point, though.

    Rather, Windows 8 has garnered nearly an order of magnitude more acceptance in the market in 20 weeks than Linux has in 20 years. If your assessment is correct, then what is the cause of such an outcome that is so contrary to your expectations?

    My feeling is that your claims are a lot of hot air, based on a lack of understanding of the environment and a thoughtless bias against all things about Microsoft. Certainly they do not jibe with any facts.

  19. dougman says:

    Ahhh someone mentions Windows 8 again. That bloated POS, whereby M$ ignored the consumer complaints, by just painting over the problems and releasing an upgrade at cost and calling it “8.1”, how original.

    Also, it would seem that Windows 8 has troubles: http://betanews.com/2013/05/27/microsoft-has-a-huge-windows-8-app-problem/

    Furthermore, Windows 8 has these problems:

    1. Usability Considerations – hardened users are even mystified as what drugs the developers were on when then derived the current user interface, its terrible! Resurrecting an AOL 1996 screen is in no way innovative.

    2. Controlling, Managing Apps – There is no central authority for its apps, it is a free for all mess.

    3. Migration to Touch and Enabled Devices – this is more a business strategy and not something that benefits the consumer or SMB in anyway.

    4. Lax Security in a BYOD World – This will always be an issue as Windows will always be security unconscious.

    Add on top of all that mess, consider the following: http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/08/22/windows-8-security-issues.aspx

    Windows 8 also has a reliability monitor, so you can track all your errors in real time. M$ cares so much for its consumers.

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/investigate-problems-when-they-occur-with-windows-8s-reliability-monitor/

  20. bw says:

    The web stats showed quite a jump for GNU/Linux this summer

    Are these the same web stats that you describe as invalid whenever you don’t like what they imply? In any case, how do you manage to cling to your theory in the face of evidence that the Windows 8 product that you and your chanting chorus here snicker and sneer about is really making “quite a jump” if you continue to look for such things.

  21. dougman says:

    Broken Windows, lying again I see.

    “No no….there are no Chromebooks, there is no Linux…bah go away!! Maybe if I cover my eyes and troll the Linux forums, it will make me feel better, yes thats what I will do.”

    Meanwhile, in the real world of IT: http://www.businessinsider.com/22-percent-us-school-districts-use-chromebooks-2013-10

  22. bw wrote, ” That’s about a century in computer market time and they are still a rarity and not selling very well.”

    Recent reports show them as best-sellers. The web stats showed quite a jump for GNU/Linux this summer and that coincides with the latest campaigns by Google and OEMs to ship them. So, bw is full of hot air. Even if sales were not as hot as bw might like, many of those sales are to schools where one PC gets used by several students and they are a great opportunity for further growth. This is just the beginning…

  23. bw says:

    Once this becomes widely known there will also be a lot of positive feedback because OEMs, retailers, and consumers will know they have a choice, finally

    Oh, pshaw. ChromeOS and ChromeBook promotions have been going on for almost 3 years know. That’s about a century in computer market time and they are still a rarity and not selling very well. RT has more market acceptance than ChromeOS based on internet traffic metrics and it was deemed a fiasco.

    In any event, Chromebooks are as widely known now as they are likely to ever be and nothing bad looms on the horizon for Microsoft from this quarter.

  24. Yes, it looks as though what Android/Linux was to Linux on smart thingies, ChromeOS is doing for GNU/Linux on legacy PCs. Once this becomes widely known there will also be a lot of positive feedback because OEMs, retailers, and consumers will know they have a choice, finally. We now have real name recognition happening because Google is one of the best-known names on the planet.

    OEMs don’t just want to substitute Google for M$ as the slave-master. They will be happy to have diversity and FLOSS allowing them to compete for market share with */Linux. OEMs and retailers cannot ignore growth like this when legacy PCs are slumping.

    August: Linux x86.64 Other 1.77%
    July: Linux x86.64 Other 1.24%

    That’s not Ubuntu GNU/Linux, folks, at 0.4%.

  25. Mats Hagglund says:

    Now there’s a very interesting new Å„umbers of marketshare by WIkimedia giving record low marketshare to Windowsn.

    http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2013-08/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm

    What’s even more interesting is the growth of Linux in pc: from 1,9-2,0% to 3,65%

    (10,83- 8,23)/70,8 x 100 = 3,65%

    I see there a strong new feature: ChromeBooks have arrived and people are adopting it. Even in my hometown there are selling ChromeBooks in 3 shops. Many have bought it to another machine to families.

  26. dougman says:

    M$ types always spout off the ‘training’ BS, how hard is it to type words on the screen or click icons, I mean really??

    If an employee says its to hard, then they are in fact saying “I am lazy” and should be replaced with someone more competent.

    Libreoffice even offers a great documentation for free.
    http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

    Today I was in a dentist office that was still using XP, I had to wait an hour while all the work-stations were upgraded with some BS patches and even then, it broke other patches and other software piled on. I told the business owner, perhaps you should invest in yourself, and contact the software providers you use and ask for Linux versions or offer to pay to port their software over to Linux.

    I said, “there should be no reason that software upgrades, create you such a mess that you lose 2-3 hours of your work day and also cause your mapped drives to disappear”

    Even the IT idiot that was in there, was on the phone with some support dude and between the both of them, neither could figure out what the problem was.

    *SHAKES HEAD*

  27. lpbbear says:

    Random J. Anonymous = Random J. Troll trotting out the age old myth of “retraining”.

    Just another Troll

  28. Random J. Anonymous says:

    I don’t think the situation is as simple as you put it, because you are not familiar with the reality of the country. There is a fair amount of corruption in the system. The 4 year TCO will probably always include “personnel retraining costs” that push the FLOSS solution cost beyond that of the “usual supplier”.

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