The English-speaking Established PC Market Is Disgusted With “8”

Two pictures speak 1000 words here. Consider share of page-views according to StatCounter for the United Kingdom from 2008 to 2013. First there was growth for GNU/Linux and then stagnation for years as “7” seemed good enough for many. Along comes “8” and both “7” sees a drop to a plateau and GNU/Linux sees a spike. People are choosing and enjoying that they finally have a visible choice. That’s the result of the ubiquity of small cheap computers running */Linux and the horror that is “8” for people who love the desktop.
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So, M$ is its own worst enemy. What GNU/Linux lacks in salesmen, M$ makes up for with its salesmen serving as software-designers. Now, GNU/Linux is finding its way onto retail shelves and onto UK desks. According to these data, about 10% as many choose GNU/Linux as choose “8” but about 15% as many as choose “7” are choosing GNU/Linux. The future is a lot higher than ~1% GNU/Linux because those choosing GNU/Linux are just the early adopters and they have friends and associates who will see, at last, that GNU/Linux works for them. I expect to live long enough to see ~30% going with GNU/Linux. There’s no telling where the trend will end once it reaches about 10%.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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42 Responses to The English-speaking Established PC Market Is Disgusted With “8”

  1. bw wrote of M$’s authentication, “Surely the “hellish” task of entering the validation code would have been done long before that time when the PC was refurbished for school use, eh?”

    Nope. I had several machines require authentication multiple times. I even saw one Vista machine refuse to operate without authentication when there was no means of authentication available. What a crappy OS that was. What makes that authentication a genuine disadvantage for me was that OEMs had placed the stickers in a position where I could not just look at them and type. I had to stand on my head, copy them onto paper and then type. Further, why does it take so many characters to generate a unique identifier for 109 machines? It’s way beyond practical requirements. Then there are the missing/damaged labels, the re-re-reboots and malware. None of those should be a teacher’s job to deal with yet M$’s crapware exists in a lot of schools and teachers need the machines to work now not next week.

  2. oiaohm says:

    — have run into the issues of systems that will not reinstall unless you can find exactly the right matching disc

    Not with Windows, so why bring it up?–

    In fact this is with windows you idiot bw. The issue is different supply of OEM licenses from Microsoft have different product key progressing formulas. You know the OEM that provide there own custom reinstall Media like HP. At times you will find the product key on the machine is in fact non functional. Why because the real key is in the bios that a custom HP driver has to extract that has to be slipstreamed into the installer.

    Welcome to the world of ugly. Microsoft really does need to tidy up activation.

  3. bw says:

    I have run into the issues of systems that will not reinstall unless you can find exactly the right matching disc

    Not with Windows, so why bring it up?

  4. bw says:

    So, I am in the middle of a lecture …

    That evokes the comical image of a true Sad Sack! It begs to be followed by “…said Tom hypothetically.”

    Surely the “hellish” task of entering the validation code would have been done long before that time when the PC was refurbished for school use, eh? When is the last time you ever did that? Or have you ever done that at all?

    To describe the process to enable a Windows installation by entering the key code at first start up as “hellish” was obviously stretching your point. Now you feel compelled to defend that silly faux pas? It is better to let the sands of time proceed to bury it.

  5. bw wrote, “Who find it hellishly difficult to enter an authentication code and consider that requirement to be tantamount to enslavement”

    So, I am in the middle of a lecture when I fire up a PC and point it to my presentation and M$ demands an authentication code to proceed. That’s very educational. How will I and my students ever get that unproductive time back?

  6. oiaohm says:

    bw MS product code is hellish for many reasons. I have run into the issues of systems that will not reinstall unless you can find exactly the right matching disc. The fun of drivers interfering with activation code generation.

    bw MS product activation bring some of its own interesting and evil problems. Made worse when working in a hand me down system where you systems are sourced from many different locations.

    Of course at different times in different countries MS has address this problem. Problem is they don’t keep on addressing it.

    Volume licenses from Microsoft are technically only upgrades with Windows. So you should install the prior OS.

    So at times MS provided a recycling license stickers. Clean new versions of Windows not locked to a particular OEM install disc. In fact this would solve lot of re-installation problems in schools.

  7. bw says:

    Teachers are professionals with contracts…

    Who find it hellishly difficult to enter an authentication code and consider that requirement to be tantamount to enslavement, yes I know. Maybe you can get President Obama to stand in front of a Door Of No Return, such as a computer lab classroom, and vow that this shall never happen again.

  8. bw wrote, “I guess that they are just too familiar with business users and made the incorrect assumption that teachers were just as capable as clerks.”

    Teachers are professionals with contracts, detailed objectives and students with diverse abilities and challenges. Teachers are not paid to support M$. Computers should just work without having to dance through M$’s hoops.

  9. Ted wrote, “This may come as a surprise to you, but Computers for Schools are not Microsoft.”

    It’s M$ who decides what software the CFS programme can install, not CFS. CFS accepts donations from government and business. I had a huge bunch of machines which apparently came from MTS, a crown corporation privatized years ago. Businesses need ways to dispose of PCs rather than scrapping them. Donation gives them some tax benefit too.

  10. oiaohm wrote, “Hand me down hardware combined with cheapest IT support possible.”

    That is a fertile ground for GNU/Linux since the kernel ships with a gazillion drivers and just about everything plentiful enough to be donated will work with it. There’s little need for IT support if the installed software just keeps working year after year with no issues.

  11. oiaohm says:

    Ted the issue is global. Asking CFS for more machines would be the same as here. Each school gets a particular size quota.

    Now longer life the schools can achieve out the hardware the school can get the better. Now report something broken wait for next cycle of supply or repair it yourself.

    At least he was not having todo what I was in 1990. Due to issues with my hands I could not hand write. To keep myself with a computer we got to the extreams of hacksawing up XT motherboards. Yes most powerful computer at my school was XT computers and it was 1990. XT motherboards are duel sided not multi layer so are simple to slice up. School I was at was too small to be on the quota for newish machine other than once every 7 years.

    Ted yes offering to repair is one thing. The question is the policy repair or replace. Here it was replace they did not send out IT techs. Either it worked or it did not. If it did not send it back and wait for the next issuing where they would drop in an extra machine. Yes that suxs when that is 7 years in the future.

    Lot of schools are stuck in the horible place of having to get the most life possible out of crap hardware supply. This is why terminal solutions and other things are good for schools. All about the number of seats from achieved from what they get.

    bw and ted schools are a nightmare in there own right. Hand me down hardware combined with cheapest IT support possible.

  12. Ted says:

    “The last place I worked, CFS delivered machines burdened with XP as late as 2011 when “7″ was their “state of the art”.”

    This may come as a surprise to you, but Computers for Schools are not Microsoft.

    Those obsolete operating systems came with the obsolete machines. (Machines from CFS in Canada are cast-offs from the government, not privately donated, by the way.) They weren’t specially downgraded because Microsoft don’t like teachers who don’t like them.

    “Seriously. Why should a teacher have to enter a hellish authentication code just to use a PC someone donated to the school?”

    “Hellish”? It’s typing a string of characters in, not solving the fourth part of Kryptos.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos

    Why did you not take this matter up with CFS? No doubt your answer will be “too busy”, so why didn’t you get someone else who wasn’t? It should have been CFS who sorted them out. And they do support faulty units – http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cfs-ope.nsf/eng/h_00026.html#q9

    You’ve stated before that you were only the teacher – you attempting administrating these machines was not your job to do, and could have only made things worse. But what stopped you picking up a phone?

    “That’s just enslavement.”

    We’ve already had Crimes against Humanity and Microsoft, and now you equate a minor inconvenience (at worst) to *slavery*? You belittle those affected by real slavery who were kidnapped, imprisoned, stripped of the most basic rights, treated as property, raped, tortured, and murdered throughout history with your cheap hyperbole.

  13. bw says:

    Seriously. Why should a teacher have to enter a hellish authentication code just to use a PC someone donated to the school? That’s just enslavement.

    I guess that they are just too familiar with business users and made the incorrect assumption that teachers were just as capable as clerks. They say “you can’t look a gift horse in the mouth!” but you have proved them wrong time and again.

    Fortunately for Microsoft, this sort of scenario is not important to selling their products to corporations, even small businesses, so they do not suffer the same sort of consequence as you applied at the schools.

  14. matchrocket wrote, “Why don’t you ask your buddies at Microsoft to help out.”

    It’s funny but M$ had a preference for donating obsolete versions of their software for older machine donated to schools. No kidding. In 2000, when I discovered GNU/Linux, M$ had supplied Lose ’95 for the Pentium Pro machines we received from Computers for Schools and people scold me for using obsolete stuff. The last place I worked, CFS delivered machines burdened with XP as late as 2011 when “7” was their “state of the art”. It’s as if M$ was pushing me to use GNU/Linux just to get modern software in my schools and classrooms. Further, in schools where M$ donated hardware and software, they donated exactly 1.0 PC plus printer/scanner etc. so it had little effect on the performance of my school, yet with GNU/Linux we could get dozens of PCs running better than ever each year, castoffs from government and business offices. Oh, and GNU/Linux had LTSP thriving in schools when M$ was reluctant to support thin clients at all. M$ might be more aggressive with new purchases/rollouts but they were very sad when it came to donated machines for schools, burdened as M$ was with concerns about phoning home, GWdisA and such. As a teacher I felt particularly burdened by random OS offerings from M$ just not working for us. Seriously. Why should a teacher have to enter a hellish authentication code just to use a PC someone donated to the school? That’s just enslavement.

  15. matchrocket says:

    bw wrote: “Struggling to get by with a boxcar load of old computers…”

    Why don’t you ask your buddies at Microsoft to help out. They have 4 million Surface/RTs rotting in a warehouse somewhere. Maybe they could donate some of those. I hear they make pretty good slates. You know, those little hand-held black boards.

  16. oiaohm says:

    bw no you are the blind man to the elephant in the room. Microsoft Small Business server has basically disappeared. This was lower price access of MS Office server features. MS to keep their balance sheets looking good could not keep on doing this.

    In fact some of the desperation by Microsoft is the recent one to attempt to prevent MS Office being transferred between machines even in case of machine failure. The backlash was that bad Microsoft had to change path.

    People forget MS Windows 2003 SBS came with free MS Outlook. Bw its bit like the saying the frog will not notice the water is boiling if you raise the temp slowly(yes reality if you test this its bogus). The frog will notice at some point. The changes MS has made to increase income from same number of sales is quite a few bw. The problem is MS income has not increased to reflect it.

    The repeated failures of Office Suites to head to head with MS Office has been document compatibility issues.

    Your think they will keep on making the same decisions is also proven bogus why we would not have Munich or French Police or many others using Open Source solutions if they kept on doing the same thing. The way they make the decisions will not change much. The way is will it get the job done and be compatible enough. Due to issues from Microsoft formats that has not been possible. Did you miss the one government in Italy moving to Libreoffice.

    My experience from being in buying teams tell me how they work.

    bw really go look at the reports for why places have not migrated to Libreoffice or Migrated back to MS Office. Those reports repeat the same message over and over again. Compatibility. bw the key stone holding MS Office in place is Compatibility issues not features at this stage.

    What happens when a keystone that hold an application in place falls is nasty. People forget closed source X11 servers existed. And to use particular video cards(nvidia/ati) you had to use those paid for X11 servers. When drivers were released for the Open Source X11 servers(even that they are still closed source) Those commercial X11 servers died as result of change. Compatibility of the open source X11 server increased so destroying the commercials.

    I have seen many keystone events due to being in the Unix world a lot. Same with the fall of lots of different closed source in the Unix world. I can even dig up issues of compatibility problems disappearing then the closed source software dies because of it.

    The simple reality bw you are basing your idea on a flawed presume. Without reading the documented whys. The documented whys tell you what will bring instability.

    That is the big thing history around RTF also shows market instability in what was used when it was compatible between Office suites properly.

    Yes that huge success in history of competing office suites lines up with File Compatibility between Office suites.

    So bw why will buyers not do the same as they did over 14 years ago when Office suites were more compatible. That really says MS will drop back to 60% or less of the Office suite market share.

  17. bw wrote, “Struggling to get by with a boxcar load of old computers donated to the rural schools is totally outside the bounds of useful talents for running a business”

    Computers are a tiny part of the cost of running schools. Salaries typically are 90%. Heating, lighting and maintenance are all greater than IT budgets. Education is still big business. Even the small schools I worked in had budgets of $2 to $4 million per annum budget. Still, IT is the best way to do lots of things in education like creating, finding, modifying and presenting information. The big cost that education can reduce using FLOSS is the high cost of fighting malware and fixing unbootable PCs. Both problems are exceedingly rare in FLOSS. The low cost of FLOSS permits most schools to increase the number of seats greatly for no extra cost. That is far more important than the actual cost of one particular PC. The effect of IT is number of PCs X the performance of each. Doubling the number is a huge positive effect. Most big businesses don’t have this kind of cost-structure but SMBs sure do.

  18. bw says:

    Meanwhile, in the REAL world. Hundreds of Universities charge tens of thousands of dollars for students to attend.

    Did you attend one and know that for a fact or is that just something you read about?

  19. bw says:

    bw, the idiot, asserts that education is not a money making endeavor

    Apparently context is not your long suit, dougie. Public education, as Mr. Pogson was associated with, is not a money-making endeavor.

  20. dougman says:

    bw, the idiot, asserts that education is not a money making endeavor…LOL.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/education-is-big-business-for-better-or-worse-2011-10

    Student loans are big business, to the tune of oh lets call it a trillion dollars here in the USA.

    http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_028.asp

    Someone fronted the money, and is making a 4-10% profit on the student paying the money back.

    Meanwhile, in the REAL world. Hundreds of Universities charge tens of thousands of dollars for students to attend.

    Granted, the educational ‘business’ model is changing, to a online version whereby M$ is again at a disadvantage.

  21. bw says:

    That’s certainly not true of FLOSS and may be true in some cases with non-Free software

    I was not referring to the trivial costs of the OS on a client computer or tablet. Rather I am referring to such things as enterprise controlling software that a company might buy from SAP or Oracle or IBM or even Microsoft. These things are millions of dollars of expense that are applied to tens of thousands of dollars worth of hardware. For a few thousand dollars worth of hardware, including the OS, a company might spend tens of thousands of dollars for a complex CAD/CAM system software that is used to generate designs for millions of dollars of company products.

  22. bw says:

    Education is big business

    No it is not. It is not business at all. Struggling to get by with a boxcar load of old computers donated to the rural schools is totally outside the bounds of useful talents for running a business, which depends on obtaining maximum beneficial use from software and hardware investments. A decision to spend $500 to obtain a $1000 benefit is better than one that gets a $400 benefit for a $0 cost. Not so with schools that are essentially pure consumers and get no financial return at all from expenditures. They simply are constrained to operate within some limits. Draconian limits if we can believe your stories.

  23. bw wrote, “Hardware costs are minimal compared to software costs.”

    That’s certainly not true of FLOSS and may be true in some cases with non-Free software. What are the software costs to a consumer paying ~$200 for Android/Linux on a tablet? Just about nil. What are the software costs for a consumers paying ~$400 for a notebook or desktop with Wintel? $100 and counting. It’s not that FLOSS costs nothing to produce but that it can be paid by others because the cost of copying is so small. Then you get to maintenance. Most of the maintenance costs of Wintel PCs is propping up that other OS. Most of the maintenance cost of */Linux PCs is keeping the screen clean.

  24. bw wrote, “Mr Pogson seems to think that a brief history of working in remote schools with questionable funding is enough to pontificate on the future of commercial office software.”

    Nonsense. Education is big business and it can run quite well on FLOSS and LibreOffice. For the rest, we only need look at Peugeot, the French national police, City of Munich, Largo, FL and many others to see the same is true. The world does not owe M$ a living. M$ translated the monopoly granted by IBM to office applications. M$ is not the one true source of wisdom in that arena. If M$ was so brilliant, why did they need constantly shifting file-formats to increase the lock-in over the years? If M$ were so brilliant why were they not able to implement their own ISO standard years later?

  25. bw says:

    The reasons why MS Office makes billions per quarter are fading

    You fellows are like the blind men feeling on the elephant and coming up with bizarre beliefs about what it is you are examining. Mr Pogson seems to think that a brief history of working in remote schools with questionable funding is enough to pontificate on the future of commercial office software. You seem to want to do the same but without any claim to any practical experience whatsoever.

    My own experience, which involves a couple of decades of selling expensive software products to major corporations, tells me that you are wrong.

    Consider that very well turned products, even free ones like Open Office, including WordPerfect, Lotus 123 and Symphony, Borland Quattro, and others have competed with Microsoft Office suites over the years with rather astounding success. You can postulate that Libre Office is somehow different, but the same people are making the decisions in the same environment as always. I think they will make the same decisions.

  26. oiaohm says:

    bw name a new unique killer APP from Microsoft in the past 5 years. You will be trying. There is not one. Same with naming a new killer feature from Microsoft in the last 5 years. This is the problem Microsoft is standing still. Metro interface redesign is an attempt at magically showing some direction to progress.

    You have the idea that growth will keep on going bw. Exactly why that is the problem. LibreOffice can connect to Sharepoint. MS Office 2013 starts using OOXML strict. Basically OOXML without crap in it.

    bw reality is open source has never gone away. Neither has closed source.

    One is ying and one is yang. bw the battle of open source vs closed source is a very long one. Yes goes back before punch card computers.

    How it reacts in the IT world has not changed. Where do you think BSD software starts bw.

    Yes as closed and open source have matured the licensing of both have got more extreme. Closed source allowing DRM and Open Source with GPL requiring more source code release.

    bw yes its a very strange ying and yang relationship. Like your PNG and JPEG libraries you use in Windows they are under open source license. Remove everything under open source license from Windows and it suxs badly. PS that includes large sections of .net.

    bw so you can say the software world is shades of grey with the two dominate being open source and closed source.

    Bw those of us who follow the ying and yang ideas around source code have no issue with items like steam from valve.

    The reasons why MS Office makes billions per quarter are fading. So there is no reason why that complete area of profit for Microsoft could not dry up. Now this happening does not require Open Source to win. Microsoft using open standards and being forced to use open standards allows both lot of players to attempt to destroy that income base. Close and Open Source.

    bw get the problem yet. Microsoft is becoming very at risk of assault.

  27. bw says:

    Open Source is a natural force of the Software world.

    Congratulations, oiaohm! With Pogson fading on his warpath, you have become the deepest thinker around here. Of course the snarks and toadies like matchrocket, lpbear, doughman, and ram don’t offer much competition, but there you are.

    That doesn’t make your points any more accurate, but it makes them more interesting. Back when 100% of the cost of a computer installation was the hardware acquisition and maintenance cost and people queued up to submit their Fortran card decks and wait around for their printouts, “open source” may have been seen as a natural thing, but it was short lived.

    Software existed so that someone could justify the huge expense of a 7094 or such. The salaries of the operators and even the incremental cost of the time used by the computer users who did the programming were very small compared to the price tag for the machine along with the cost of the building built to contain it.

    That is not the case today. Hardware costs are minimal compared to software costs. Software is the primary generator of profits for most IT companies. Unique “killer app” software was the focus of vast fortunes and continues to be central to any sort of success today.

    MS Office generates billions of dollars in profits each quarter. Together with the OS itself and the variety of server configurations available from Microsoft, office products are the biggest business in the world and continue to grow, if less rapidly than in the past.

    That is the natural force in IT, not the silly goose mantra of St. Ignutius. lol

  28. dougman says:

    Trolls, do what trolls do, deflect from the topic and talk about something else.

    At least with Debian or any other Linux distribution, one can review the code and report back their findings with M$ good luck. Microsoft treat vulnerability researchers with great hostility, and are often very difficult to work with. I would advise only speaking to them under a pseudonym, using tor and anonymous email to protect yourself.

    Even though they offer a bounty, I am willing to bet that there is some non-disclosure agreement tied with one receiving money and even if they do accept a bug find, doesn;t mean that M$ will fix it due to the obvious reasons.

    http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/us-spooks-hear-about-microsoft-bugs-first

    http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-waits-fix-software-bugs-nsa-them-first-140237627.html

    Also, M$ is no longer the software compnay that it use to be, it would seem that Google has taking that role from them.

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/13/3983846/googlers-found-over-50-percent-of-the-bugs-in-microsofts-massive-update

    A comment on M$ vulnerabilities:
    Microsoft gets security reports now from security analyst in the industry. Tavis Ormandy’s zero day is an example. It turns out that by stressing the memory while putting the CPU in a tight loop, he was able to get SYSTEM access on all currently supported versions of Windows. Used in conjunction with a browser hole, one can gain SYSTEM access to any Windows system that visited that sight. This is a huge hole and has not been fixed by Microsoft yet as reported by Google. Why Microsoft struggles with security issues and why Ormandy’s zero day is important because it sort of indicates that the core design of Windows is flawed and can not be repaired, only patched until another way in is found and then patched again and again and again. Microsoft realizes this and created Patch Tuesday.

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/23/4358400/google-engineer-bashes-microsoft-discloses-windows-flaw

  29. oiaohm says:

    Really I am seeing disappearing retail space for PC computers.

    bw the number of Linux machines if it was a billion to 1 you would not even find 1 percent of them on-line in desktop roles.

    Sorry the stats out there say at worst 1000 to 1. Billion is pure myth over stating. Since Linux PC are not seen in the normal retail channel. What channel are they being acquired from and is stats being collected effective on those channels. Other stats tell us they are selling the problem is where.

    Remember what you said most people don’t install there own OS’s.

    Also OS X sales are above 10 to 1. Heading in the direction of 5 to 1. This is also a side effect of more computer to computer interfacing being done in unified OS neutral ways.

    bw I have always said Linux would not have to beat Microsoft. The house of cards that is Microsoft was always going to come apart.

    Microsoft is defeating themselves. There is only so many times you can offer new features before there are no new features to offer. Once you are at that point you start screwing up older features in attempts to make something that looks new.

    That is the lethal problem Microsoft is facing with MS Office. OS X MS Office has always had compatibility problems with Windows MS Office. Libreoffice on Linux Windows and OS X does not have this issue.

    The killer feature of Libreoffice is something so simple. Uniformity. Now to be damaging to Microsoft does LibreOffice have to win. Answer is no. The newer MS Offices being dragged after Uniformity are getting less compatibility issues between OS X and Windows. So now a business with a Mixture of OS X and Windows is more than possible.

    The existence of LibreOffice, OpenOffice, Calligra and others proved to many governments so far that uniformity between Office suites was possible. Please note Calligra and Libreoffice share nothing in common between there two code bases yet are very document compatible.

    As oldman use to say its all about the Applications. This is part correct. Its all about how compatible applications are between platforms. Now if applications are no longer a lock. Then users can freely choose.

    bw the expanding OS X sales is explained by the same thing. Linux compatibility to other platforms is increasing. As that increases so will it market share.

    bw Microsoft is trying to change to a subscription model because they know in future they are not going to have new features to add.

    Why could Linux defeat Unix. Unix by the time Linux started was a standing still target.

    Open Source destroys commercial programs market that stop evolving.

    bw Open Source is a natural force of the Software world.

    Bw do you want to know the biggest mistake MS made. Demanding Google pay them for Active Sync. This triggered focused work on the CMIS standard(yes the open standard to replicate sharepoint). That EU demands share-point supports.

    The demands on Microsoft to be standard conforming will keep on growing. So reducing issues for those who don’t use MS products. So destroying Microsoft Income.

  30. lpbbear says:

    “As for Windows 8: the world will get used to it.”

    And the world can get used to lobotomies too…..just look at you….other than the constant drool and suspiciously drooping area in the rear of your pants you seem fine.

    I see no Linux computers on retail shelves, but I see a bright future for Microsoft.

    Me too, most people would refer to that “bright future” as…..flames.

  31. Maou Sadao wrote, “I see no Linux computers on retail shelves”.

    I should make a post with nothing but GNU/Linux on retail shelves. It would be a long one…

  32. dougman wrote, “Microsoft is in a bind. It wants to move to touch-screen technology, and its existing clients don’t.”

    That’s about my assessment. There isn’t really any advantage to a user to have a touch screen when hands are on a keyboard/mouse. Making a user-interface designed for touch to be the default is plain stupid. I think Canonical is making the same mistake but other distros can easily take up the slack and replace all those XP systems and soon-to-be-killed “7” systems.

  33. Maou Sadao wrote, “1.2K new bugs in Debian. Simply like that.”

    No, it’s not that simple. Many of the bugs are reported multiple times because several packages use a single buggy package, so the actual count of bugs is much smaller and indeed many of these bugs are causing crashes and not security breaches other than DOS. It could be just a couple of hundred bugs in 37K packages, a decent score and consistent with Debian bug-tracking. Debian uses some automation and this test may be added. That the test is not publicly documented probably means Debian cannot rely on it but use it as part of quality control.

    M$ must be envious. They get many times that number of bugs in just the OS, without including all those applications.

  34. Maou Sadao says:

    As for Windows 8: the world will get used to it. I see no Linux computers on retail shelves, but I see a bright future for Microsoft.

  35. Maou Sadao says:

    Hey, look:

    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/06/msg00720.html

    1.2K new bugs in Debian. Simply like that.

    Nobody is disgusted. Because nobody cares about Debian.

  36. matchrocket says:

    dougman wrote: “Ballmer does not look happy.”

    I think he will be naming his replacement July 1st.

  37. bw says:

    I am not anti anything

    Of course you are not. You are the most open-minded person posting here, short of matchrocket! lol

    But if it is so bad, why is it selling so well? Wintels outsell Macs more than 10 to 1 and outsell Lintels about a billion to one or more. I haven’t seen any Lintels anywhere, so it could be infinite.

  38. dougman says:

    I am not anti anything, just a savvy user that knows what works and does not. People pay me to fix stuff, and consult.

    I never push M$ products as they costly to maintain. I do know a few SMB’s that are looking at replacing all their XP boxes and replacing them with Chromebooks.

    From my prior postings, it would appear that Windows 8 is dead, regardless of what M$ attempts to do with it.

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/26/windows-8-1s-start-button-isnt-a-start-button/

    Ballmer does not look happy.

    http://readwrite.com/2013/06/27/windows-8-still-in-awkward-adolescence

  39. bw says:

    <em< What GNU/Linux lacks in salesmen, M$ makes up for with its salesmen serving as software-designers.

    That is not so obvious from your charts. Of all the OS choices being used on the world’s PCs, Linux is dead last. After almost a year of availability, All the non-Apple PCs shipping today are Windows 8 and it is going up the same curve followed by Win 7 before it. Linux gets a small bump, as you show it did with Vista, but that is just a bit of noise in the overall traffic.

    Remember, Microsoft had its best 9 months results ever as part of this period. All the doom and gloom is just wishful thinking for the anti-Microsoft crowd.

  40. dougman says:

    Here is another report from a common user.

    Windows 8 Critically Wounds One New Asus Computer, Kills Another in a 12-Hour Spree.

    This report is made possible by Pastor Glen Zimmermann of the Christian & Missionary Alliance Church of Eugene, Oregon. I am using his Toshiba laptop. Let me explain.

    I have been on the road, visiting my mother. My laptop PC computer failed. So, I went to Best Buy to buy a replacement. I bought an Asus notebook for $279. I just wanted to be able to keep writing my required output of articles.

    I got it back to my guest room. It loaded, slowly. The Windows 8 imitation Windows 7 screen was a nightmare. It was barely recognizable. Attention PC shoppers: big learning curve ahead!

    About two hours later, this message appeared: Your PC ran into a problem and is forced to restart. It announced that it would send information to Microsoft. It logged me off. I could never get it to work right after that.

    I took it back. I exchanged it for a more expensive Asus. I was now up to $479.

    I took it back to my room. It happened again, only this time for keeps.

    I got the same message after two hours. It logged me off. At 1:22 a.m. EST, It announced: Attempting Repairs. I waited. At 3:44, I got this message:

    Automatic repair couldn’t repair your PC. Press “Advanced Options” to try other options to repair your PC or “shut down” to turn off your PC.
    Log file: C:\Windows\System32\logfiles\srt\srtTrail.txt

    When I saw this, I knew the machine was a goner.

    Log file: C:\Windows\System32\logfiles\srt\srtTrail.txt

    Whenever you see programming code on a screen, it’s all over. It means that something users are never supposed to see has appeared. The crisis is beyond anything a normal user can do.

    At 3:46, it started over.

    Preparing Automatic Repair
    Diagnosing your PC

    Choose an option

    Continue: Exit and Continue to Windows 8

    Turn off your PC

    Use a device: Use a USB drive, network connection or Windows recovery DVD

    Troubleshoot: Refresh or restart your PC, or use advanced tools

    I tried the first option. I got the same screen. I shut it off. I got this:

    Preparing Automatic Repair
    Diagnosing your PC

    I was caught in an endless loop.

    I could make no corrections to my articles.

    About 10 hours later, I returned the computer to Best Buy.

    Is Windows 8 a disaster? For Asus, it is.

    If it does the same with other brands, Microsoft is in trouble.

    A BUGGY DISASTER

    Microsoft is trying to make Vista look good. So far, it has succeeded.

    Windows 8 is a hybrid program. It tries to be “fun” like a tablet. It is not fun. It sits on a desk.

    It tries to be a serious business program. It is a disaster. It operates nothing like Windows 7. The learning curve is worse than Vista to Windows 7.

    It shuts down good computers.

    In short, Apple has just received a shot in the arm.

    Best Buy promised that if I buy a new computer, and buy Windows 7 on the Web, they will install Windows 7 for free. But Best Buy is not allowed to sell Windows 7 in their stores. My guess is that Microsoft does not want salesmen to recommend Windows 7. That would make Windows 8 look like a turkey. It was introduced on Black Friday — the day after Thanksgiving. That was appropriate.

    CONCLUSION

    If you are thinking of upgrading to Windows 8, don’t.

    If you are thinking of buying a new PC, factor in the cost of a copy of Windows 7. Have an expert install it.

    I will be happy to get back home to my backup Windows 7 computer.

  41. dougman says:

    Here is a comment on Windows 8, these are NOT my words but from someone that I know.

    “If you hated Windows 8, as I did — it shut down two new Asus computers I bought — you will hate Windows 8.1. That’s the opinion of more than one unimpressed reviewer. As one reviewer wrote: “The user interface is not intuitive. It’s almost secretive.”

    It’s lipstick on a pig.

    Steve Ballmer, the head of Microsoft, says it’s a “refined blend” of old and new. But he also said Vista was great. I once saw Ballmer on the Today Show. He was introducing Windows 7. Matt Lauer made an offhand and quite conventional comment on how many people disliked Vista.

    Ballmer shot back with a statement about the millions of satisfied users of Vista. He did not mention that these users had gotten Vista by decree when they bought their computers. They had no choice in the matter. Buyers of a new PC don’t, either. They have to use Windows 8 unless they go online and buy Windows 7 for $170.
    Microsoft is in a bind. It wants to move to touch-screen technology, and its existing clients don’t.

    A business workstation is not a Smart Phone.
    Vista was a disaster. Microsoft saved itself by giving the world Windows 7. Think of Vista as New Coke, and think of Windows 7 as Original Coke. Original Coke saved Coca-Cola. Windows 7 saved Microsoft.

    Windows 8 is Vista in drag. So is Windows 8.1.”

    If You Hated Windows 8, Microsoft’s Attempt To Fix It Won’t Change Your Mind

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/windows-81-reactions-2013-6#ixzz2XQOU3B77

    Review: Windows 8.1 widens, not narrows, gap with older PCs

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/review-windows-81-widens-not-narrows-gap-with-older-pcs/2013/06/27/80ed732c-deed-11e2-ad2e-fcd1bf42174d_story.html

  42. dougman says:

    That late great ‘8’ is so marvelous, that one of M$’s senior exec’s was left go, 15-days after its release.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/11/13/microsoft-sinofsky-fired-windows-8/1702511/

    When the market seeks Android on laptops and desktops, then you will find that Win8 is rather lacking in substance.

    http://www.techhive.com/article/2042804/hp-shows-off-21inch-allinone-desktop-installed-with-android.html

    http://societyandreligion.com/android-mac-win-8-notebook-wars/

    Even PC users hate Windows 8.

    http://insiderlouisville.com/news/2013/04/08/i-am-a-pc-and-i-hate-windows-8/

    Its easy to pick out the M$ trolls in the comments section of that blog.

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