Goodbye, XP, Hello To A Free Market

“At HP’s user conference here, Windows 8 is prominent. But what seemed to get HP officials excited, wasn’t the upcoming update of Windows 8, but Microsoft’s planned end of support next year for Windows XP.”
see Windows XP's demise will do more for PC sales than Win 8, HP says

That’s probably a good way for HP to look at XP, but there is great danger to the Wintel treadmill. It could go off the rails as HP’s customers switch from XP/2003 to */Linux thin clients and web/cloud applications. There’s much less need for client computing power, hard drives and licences from M$… HP estimates ~45% of businesses still use XP. It’s doubtful that many could switch to “7” or “8” in one year. It’s very likely a huge share will switch to */Linux on the clients. Southeast Asia which has been gearing up for years shipping */Linux on ARM could bump shipments for a few months and do it.

According to IDC, shipments of tablets could blow past notebook PCs in a year or two… That’s about the fastest way for Wintel to die. What governments, courts and regulators could not do over decades, M$ will manage to do all by itself in a year, kill the evil bundling of a single OS with personal computers. They’ve convinced businesses they needed massive IT departments and support for a frail OS so businesses will not continue XP unsupported. The result is an open door to a competitive market with Free Software and ARM having a fair shot.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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33 Responses to Goodbye, XP, Hello To A Free Market

  1. Maou Sadao says:

    @Shatner:

    “Fancy that, it’s broken in Firefox, Chrome and Opera.”

    I believe you got the wrong idea: I was merely stating the IE10 bit because some clowns here suggested my using IE10 (which I wasn’t using) was the reason it didn’t work. But the irony is, as you have stated, that it doesn’t work in Firefox, Chrome and Opera, while it works in the “abomination” IE10.

    Chuckle. Good thing nobody has hired Mr. Pogson as a consultant for serious business. They’d be in a world of trouble.

  2. William Tiberius Shatner says:

    I also notice that for all the raging against copyrights, and how awesome OSS is, there’s a

    “Copyright © 2013 All Rights Reserved”

    at the bottom of each page here. Thoughts?

  3. William Tiberius Shatner says:

    “Oh, by the way: it will please you to know that it works flawlessly in IE10 — yes! that Microsoft abomination of a browser!”

    Fancy that, it’s broken in Firefox, Chrome and Opera.

    “how would HTML do that?”

    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmrpogson.com%2F2013%2F06%2F11%2Fgoodbye-xp-hello-to-a-free-market%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

    and

    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmrpogson.com%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Ffizz%2Fstyle.css&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=1&vextwarning=&lang=en

    might be good starting points.

  4. Maou Sadao says:

    Oh, by the way: it will please you to know that it works flawlessly in IE10 — yes! that Microsoft abomination of a browser! But be that as it may, better get your CSS problems sorted out.

  5. Maou Sadao says:

    Look, you believe you’ve scored some sort of “victory”, because I use Windows, but it’s really very simple:

    Half of the text in the comment section can’t be selected. If I hover with the mouse over such text, the mouse pointer does not change to a text selection pointer. (Firefox 21.0, Chrome 27.0.1453.110)

    Proof? With pleasure. Here’s your site in Chrome’s inspector:

    http://imgur.com/FOSdBpj

    Here’s (random WordPress example) John Scalzi’s Whatever in Chrome’s inspector:

    http://imgur.com/rcE5NSu

    Notice something? Yes, very astute of you, Mr. Pogson. In your case the bounding box doesn’t enclose the whole comment, just the top part.

    I suggest you let your “expert” PHP programmer take a look.

    And the funny thing is … John Scalzi administrates his WordPress site himself. He’s not a world-renowned tech “expert” like you, Mr. Pogson. But he gets it done. Strange. Very strange.

  6. oiaohm says:

    Ted remember how todo selection without using mouse. Click at starting point and use shift arrow keys. Welcome to work around CSS issue.

  7. Ted wrote, “Try to select part of a long post near the bottom, without also selecting the following name or date. Top sentences of short posts work.”

    I have no problem even with one of oiaohm’s long comments. Perhaps it is the browser that is broken. How could HTML do that? One has to be careful to start/end the selection in the correct field. I use Google Chrome browser.

  8. Ted says:

    “It might be worse than that. One of the reasons Phoney “7″ had such poor performance in the market is that M$ shipped it without copy and paste. Perhaps he’s using one of the company phones.”

    That initial lack didn’t exactly hurt the iPhone, did it?

    Can you actually read, or can you just not stop yourself from making childish cheap shots? He wrote quite clearly “I’m not using Internet Explorer.”

  9. Ted says:

    Your site is definitely broken in FF21 on Windows 7. Try to select part of a long post near the bottom, without also selecting the following name or date. Top sentences of short posts work.

  10. bw says:

    Whatever you did to get rid of the long delay in making a new page selection active seems to have worked, too. It all looks OK to me (using Windows 8 and IE 10).

  11. Maou Sadao wrote, without evidence, “when will your site be fixed? You can’t even select lots of text in the comments section (for purposes of quoting) because the CSS layout has been so screwed up.”

    With no evidence of any screw-up, there’s nothing to fix. It works for me.

  12. jason wrote, “maybe it’s time you made the switch to Linux”.

    It might be worse than that. One of the reasons Phoney “7” had such poor performance in the market is that M$ shipped it without copy and paste. Perhaps he’s using one of the company phones.

  13. jason says:

    “You can’t even select lots of text in the comments section (for purposes of quoting)”

    Hmm, I’m using Linux and I just copied and pasted your comment, I always knew windows was a poorly designed OS, but I didn’t know it was that bad, maybe it’s time you made the switch to Linux, you’re always here talking about it anyway, so it’s about time you experienced what a real OS is like, once you do you’ll be wondering why it took you so long to make the switch.

  14. Maou Sadao says:

    Hey, Pogson, when will your site be fixed? You can’t even select lots of text in the comments section (for purposes of quoting) because the CSS layout has been so screwed up. (No, I’m not using Internet Explorer to look at it.)

    This site is now finally on par with the quality of Linux.

    And simply changing colors is not enough to let the site not look like Windows 8.

    Get it done!

  15. Robert Pogson wrote, While the ethics certainly have not changed. M$ is actually having to work hard to sustain the monopoly…. A decade ago they never would have personally denigrated the competition. Now they have ads on TV doing just that…. The hardware makers are having to compete and they can’t compete against FLOSS on ARM with M$’s stuff and Intel’s stuff. 2013 is a watershed year.

    Robert, it is interesting how the scenario has changed some. I still see the remarks by certain foul apples attempting to denigrate proponents of FOSS and alternative operating systems to Windows such as Linux and derivatives Android, Chrome and etc. The language used by these commenters are very telling and revealing of the source.

  16. bw says:

    Wow! Do you dislike Microsoft so much that you support scroogling? I would think that you would be the first to decry such activities. Do you feel squeezed?

  17. George Hostler wrote, “It looks like business as usual at Microsoft….”

    I don’t think so. While the ethics certainly have not changed. M$ is actually having to work hard to sustain the monopoly. They are circling the drain and paddling furiously. A decade ago they never would have personally denigrated the competition. Now they have ads on TV doing just that. As their “marketing” costs go up their margin goes down. The hardware makers are having to compete and they can’t compete against FLOSS on ARM with M$’s stuff and Intel’s stuff. 2013 is a watershed year.

  18. bw says:

    “It looks like business as usual at Microsoft…”

    Worse. The anti-MS smurfs come out in force with sniggle where they pretend that they are in the know just as they do in forums like this one. A telling comment is:

    Misty Silver didn’t reveal his/her real identity

    isn’t that what the FOSSers call an “anonymous coward” in their forums and dismiss whatever is said?

    Then, too, what the bloggers say about things is immaterial compared to how buyers voter with their money. For Xbox, that has moved it into first place a while ago and the gap is widening, fueled no doubt with the huge profits still being obtained from Windows sales. Keep looking for dark clouds though, George, it will help to keep your spirits up.

  19. matchrocket says:

    “Which lie are you referring to?”
    All of them.

  20. Maou Sadao says:

    “Chairman Maou will simply lie to make a point. He counts on the lie slipping by. Don’t believe a word he writes.”

    Help me out here. Which lie are you referring to?

    Also: it’s 真奥 Maou. Not 毛 as in 毛沢東 Mao Tse-tung. Maou is a wordplay, because most people think of 魔王: Satan. I didn’t even think of the triple wordplay when 毛 comes into the mix.

    See how much thought I have put into my name? Praise me.

  21. matchrocket says:

    Chairman Maou will simply lie to make a point. He counts on the lie slipping by. Don’t believe a word he writes.

  22. Robert, after reading your blog page and the link you provided, it does indeed appear that the traditional desktop is giving way to intelligent devices for people on the go and home users. A detachable keyboard and mouse device would work for office settings, connected to a corporate “cloud” (web based server environment).

    Also it amazes me how much false, internally developed praise along with denigration of competing products are required to keep a so called market leader in power. The following was stated 2,700 years ago, Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips. (Proverbs 27:2, World English Bible)

    Also stated some 3,500 years ago was the following, In business dealings, be fair and do not cheat. Measure accurately length, weight, and volume. Your scales are to be accurate, your weights true, and your containers standard. I am the Eternal your God, who led you out of Egypt. (Leviticus 19:35-36, The Voice version)

    Those formed the basis of just dealings within the Judeo Christian heritage of civilizations.

    It goes counter to, Our mission is to establish Microsoft’s platforms as the de facto standards throughout the computer industry…. Working behind the scenes to orchestrate “independent” praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy’s, is a key evangelism function during the Slog. “Independent” analyst’s report should be issued, praising your technology and damning the competitors (or ignoring them). “Independent” consultants should write columns and articles, give conference presentations and moderate stacked panels, all on our behalf (and setting them up as experts in the new technology, available for just $200/hour)…. Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny….” Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry. USDOJ Plaintiff Exhibit 3096, Comes (Iowa) versus Microsoft Lawsuit.

    This philosophy continues, as most recently expressed by: Looks like Microsoft just got busted for doing something on Reddit that is a big no-no, according to a Redditor that goes by the name “mistysilver.” Representatives of Microsoft may be hanging out on the social news site voting up positive comments about the Xbox One, voting down negative comments and adding pro-Xbox comments of their own, Misty Silver says.

    Buisness Insider Australia article by Julie Bort dated 8-Jun-2013:

    Microsoft Has Hired People To Make Positive Comments About Xbox One On Reddit, Contractor Says

    It looks like business as usual at Microsoft….

  23. Maou Sadao wrote, of CinePaint “CinePaint is pretty much dead now”

    Definitely not dead. It has been used in a bunch of movies.

    Version 1.04 was released last month. Perhaps they threw in the towel after that…

  24. Maou Sadao says:

    “Actually, nearly ALL motion picture studios use CinePaint, an open-source fork of The GIMP v1,0.4, for retouching film and digital images. This is widely known.”

    No, they don’t. Some have, but CinePaint is pretty much dead now.

  25. Maou Sadao says:

    The trouble is that there is no hard evidence anywhere that suggests that “big data” can help preventing crimes (in the context of the NSA spying: terrorist attacks). It’s even doubtful if collecting data can be a great help in solving crimes at all. In Germany (where I live) the Max-Planck-Institut found no relation between data preservation and a higher number of solved crimes. Other studies in other European countries have come to the same result (if you want links I’ll provide them). And I wouldn’t think that for the United States it’d be all that different.

  26. Michael Rudas says:

    Actually, nearly ALL motion picture studios use CinePaint, an open-source fork of The GIMP v1,0.4, for retouching film and digital images. This is widely known. It has a greater bit depth than the mainline GIMP and only runs on UNIX-like OSes (for now). The GIMP itself is less widely used.

  27. bw says:

    Sounds like you are against the collection of the metadata. I am in favor of doing that myself. I think that we should focus on how the information is used, not on simply banning the information being collected. If the data can uncover the extent of criminal activities, that is a valid use. I do not see anyone having a right to cover up some violation of the law.

    On the other hand, if it becomes some sort of mechanism for innuendo, such as John Boehner being discovered making frequent calls to the wife of some Sumo wrestler where there is no actual evidence of anything being done that is illegal, it should be stopped and whomever is doing it punished.

  28. Maou Sadao says:

    By the way, Pogson: any comment on the NSA spying? I thought it’d be right up your alley, but as usual you only care about hating Microsoft and your narrow definition of “freedom”. But you don’t care about real freedom at all.

  29. bw says:

    “Probably all of them”

    No evidence that any of them use it. The cite talks of the famed use of Linux to launch the highly proprietary apps created by Pixar, but no evidence that GIMP is even loaded there. Doubtless any photoshopping required by the studios is done with Photoshop.

  30. Maou Sadao wrote, “Which major motion picture companies use GIMP?”

    Probably all of them. Gimp is quite useful for graphics, as you know.

    see Gimp in Hollywood

  31. Maou Sadao says:

    Good God, ram! Simply cut the crap, will you? Windows XP was so big that your little head exploded a long time ago.

    Hey, you know what’s funny, ram? We still haven’t gotten an answer from you. Which major motion picture companies use GIMP? You’re the one that’s highly confused, spouting crap without backing it up. You’re just a chump.

  32. ram says:

    “HP estimates ~45% of businesses still use XP”

    Where? Microsoft never past 38% of the business computer market. HP remains highly confused.

  33. Maou Sadao says:

    You’re just a chump, Pogson, from the outside looking into the homes filled with happy Windows users. You just should let Linux die. It’s a lost cause.

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