Market-Ticker: GNU/Linux 4%

“Linux   4.09%”
see A Crazy Anecdotal Fact (BlackBerry Z-10) in [Market-Ticker]

OK, it’s more web stats but this site doesn’t just track IP addresses and user-agents: “The forum software keeps track of user agents for formatting reasons, and in addition since it drops a cookie on the user’s machine it also can differentiate between two different devices and one device that moves around a lot. This is much more accurate than the usual web statistics approach, which only looks at IP addresses and agent or similar strings, since the web server itself has no idea whether 10 entries are one device that has shown up on 10 IP addresses (as is common for a phone or other mobile piece of equipment) or 10 separate devices.”

Further, it shows M$ has slipped to 64% share and “8” is less popular than Vista… The site is not GNU/Linux-oriented but concentrates on market-share stuff with only a mention of Linux in the forums a few times a year, so it’s at least as reliable as NetApplications or StatCounter. It’s not that huge a sample but it is vigorous:
“There are messages in 203,288 threads on the system ( 117 posts today )
We currently have 126 signed-in persons viewing Tickerforum ( 417 total* )
905 signed-on persons have accessed the forum ( 13,742 anonymous ) from distinct IP addresses today. “

Just considering counting statistics, the numbers are good +/- 10%. So much for the ~1% lie.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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41 Responses to Market-Ticker: GNU/Linux 4%

  1. Maou Sadao says:

    Aren’t you glad now to not have hired Mr. Pogson to do IT the right way for you? He may be able to install WordPress with apt-get, but he sure as hell fails at running it.

  2. Maou Sadao says:

    Wow, I don’t hope this new design is inspired by Windows 8. Because where W8 got it right, this design looks like crap. It’s actually fitting for a Linux evangelist. Innovation means regression.

  3. matchrocket wrote, “It may not be a matter of seeing the forest through the trees but you are certainly tangled in the thicket of Robert Pogson’s contribution.”

    3470 posts published since 2007 have had some effect. I’ve had various people thank me for posts over the years. One of them was bypassing a bug in a motherboard I used in one school. I did pour over some source code to figure that one out, random timeouts when NICs were busy. The YouTube videos have had thousands of views. That’s not viral but useful. I was surprised that the one on installing Citadel was quite popular.

    By far my biggest contribution although it may be impossible to measure was introducing FLOSS and GNU/Linux to thousands of students. I eliminated a lot of the FUD about installing/using GNU/Linux being difficult by using it widely in K-12 schools for teachers and students. I did more than many teachers do to expose students to a better understanding of hardware and software by actually assembling/installing stuff. Most teachers are terrified that students might break something. In all the years I did that the only downside was the theft of RAM from one teacher’s PC… 🙁 The IT people were not amused. Neither was I. I never had a PC in my classrooms disabled by students despite complete disassembly/reassembly/OS installation/application installation and cleaning with vacuum cleaners… I like a little excitement in my lessons. We had some fun like the time a PSU blew a capacitor as I was leaning on the case… Talk about teachable moments. Swapped a PSU and carried on.

  4. Maou Sadao wrote, “Mr. Pogson likes to post smack about Windows exploits without even understanding the exploit in question.

    Mr. Pogson likes to brag about the four freedoms of the GPL but has hardly ever read a single line of GPL code in his life.

    Mr. Pogson is a (bad) salesman. Not a Windows expert. Not even a Linux expert.”

    I’ve read a fair bit of code when documentation fails or to understand an error-message. I’ve sold GNU/Linux to employers for paid gigs. I don’t know what it takes to be an expert if I’m not. I can install a whole school in an hour or so probably faster than MSCEs can roll out that other OS on random hardware and many of my installations continue to purr along years after I left them. I don’t need nor is it possible to understand M$’s vulnerabilities because the code is hidden.

  5. bw wrote, “a lost cause like Linux”

    Hmmm… */Linux has succeeded wildly beyond everyone’s expectations in every field of IT where competition thrives and that’s a lost cause. The mind boggles at this bizarre concept of lost causes. Even on the desktop, GNU/Linux is growing rapidly and is now mainstream being offered for sale in many parts of the world at retail and most OEMs are shipping it to anyone who wants it. Meanwhile, the monopolist is seeing the empire built on sand shift underfoot. The only questions remaining are “Will M$ live off its bank account instead of competing?” and “Has M$ diversified enough to survive working for a living?”.

  6. wrote, “Mr. Pogson has no credentials other than this blog of his where he puts forth his armchair theorizing. Is there any single one company where Mr. Pogson was responsible for the IT infrastructure in even only a minor role?”

    B.Sc.(Hons.), M.Sc.,Cert.Ed., peer-reviewed scientific publications, working in world-class organizations doing particle accelerator physics and design/support work on accelerators, many years of successful teaching, and managing the IT of most schools wherein I taught since ~2000 may count as nothing to some but I certainly had no problem finding interesting and challenging and well-paid work for most of the last 17 years. Even the little woman keeps me around although I am well past my prime.

  7. matchrocket says:

    Chairman Maou would like to know: “But has Mr. Pogson ever contributed something meaningful to the Linux ecosystem?”

    It may not be a matter of seeing the forest through the trees but you are certainly tangled in the thicket of Robert Pogson’s contribution.

  8. Maou Sadao says:

    Observing the various attacks by these so called anonymous commenters in your blog sections, attacking your character, your experiences, downplaying and discrediting sources, especially when Microsoft is mentioned or Linux is promoted is very telling of the source.

    Mr. Pogson has no credentials other than this blog of his where he puts forth his armchair theorizing. Is there any single one company where Mr. Pogson was responsible for the IT infrastructure in even only a minor role? He supposedly had great success with Linux at some God-forsaken Canadian schools. Have you personally checked this? No? So why are you so invested in believing his every word?

    A common theme with evangelists of any kind is that they don’t know much but believe much. That’s why they have become evangelists. That’s why they HAD to become evangelists.

    Mr. Pogson can recompile kernels. Which is an easy thing to do. But has Mr. Pogson ever contributed something meaningful to the Linux ecosystem? A kernel patch? Any patches at all? Documentation? Bug reports? No. Because he can’t do any of those things. THOSE things the Linux ecosystem thrives on.

    Mr. Pogson likes to post smack about Windows exploits without even understanding the exploit in question.

    Mr. Pogson likes to brag about the four freedoms of the GPL but has hardly ever read a single line of GPL code in his life.

    Mr. Pogson is a (bad) salesman. Not a Windows expert. Not even a Linux expert.

    So stop putting Mr. Pogson on some kind of pedestal, dear Mr. Hostler.

    (And now you can fire away.)

  9. George Hostler says:

    matchrocket: “If someone knows they have been defeated and it happens time and again, they will eventually go elsewhere to find thinner competition.” I didn’t realize bw understood his situation so completely.

    Bingo! You hit the nail on the head, a ring of familiarity with Plaintiff Exhibit 3096, also known as the Microsoft Evangelism Document, reference Microsoft vs. Comes court case:

    How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard – Microsoft Style

    8: The Slog Guerilla marketing is often a long, hard slog…. Our mission is to establish Microsoft’s platforms as the de facto standards throughout the computer industry…. Working behind the scenes to orchestrate “independent” praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy’s, is a key evangelism function during the Slog…. Gathering intelligence on enemy activities is critical to the success of the Slog. We need to know who their allies are and what differences exist between them and their allies (there are always sources of tension between allies), so that we can find ways to split ’em apart. Reading the trade press, lurking on newsgroups….

    The coup de grâce:

    11: Mopping Up Mopping Up can be a lot of fun. In the Mopping Up phase, Evangelism’s goal is to put the final nail into the competing technology’s coffin, and bury it in the burning depths of the earth. Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2.” Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors’ technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time.

  10. matchrocket says:

    “If someone knows they have been defeated and it happens time and again, they will eventually go elsewhere to find thinner competition.” I didn’t realize bw understood his situation so completely.

  11. bw says:

    “expose who these Microsoft professing trolls are ”

    Good grief! How can anyone like yourself who has adopted a lost cause like Linux not understand that there are just as likely those to be on the other side who are just as squirrely as you? For every FOX News, there is an MSNBC, eh? Read up on yin and yang. Maybe you will begin to see the value in the banter that goes on around here. Maybe not if you are too far gone.

    I could post here all day long and you are never going to change one whit. Vice-versa, too. No one ever changes their opinion once they are at the point of ceaselessly posting about it. Rather it is a test of your own fortitude. When someone posts a counter point to your own, you have to decide for yourself whether your position is damaged or if you have weathered the storm.

    If someone knows they have been defeated and it happens time and again, they will eventually go elsewhere to find thinner competition. Banning someone for obscenity, vulgarity, or disruptiveness is one thing. Banning them for being argumentive is more like surrender.

  12. George Hostler says:

    Robert Pogson: I don’t think anyone has an aversion to GNU/Linux except a few sycophants of M$.

    Observing the various attacks by these so called anonymous commenters in your blog sections, attacking your character, your experiences, downplaying and discrediting sources, especially when Microsoft is mentioned or Linux is promoted is very telling of the source.

    My greatest desire is that someone with the financial backing expose who these Microsoft professing trolls are and who they work for. Their language and expressions are a give away.

  13. bw says:

    “IT managers accept GNU/Linux because it works for them.”

    You lack experience in the business world if you think that. Linux owes 99.44% of its popularity in the server room to the efforts put forth by IBM. Similarly, Android rides on the Google train and would still be sitting back at the station without Google’s taking it over.

    “I don’t think anyone has an aversion to GNU/Linux except a few sycophants of M$. GNU/Linux is shipped by most OEMs and consumers buy it in quantity whenever it is offered.”

    Keep telling yourself that. You may someday grow senile and start believing that it is true. Why else would the retail stores in the USA and Canada and just about everywhere else in the world shun Linux based PCs? Merchants are very reluctant to carry anything that would be so popular as a Linux computer? Of course not. Just the opposite is true and history shows that to be true.

  14. oiaohm says:

    GIMPer Artist many reasons. Squid proxyies do a good job at hiding users from Wikipedia.

    Nasty enough Wikipedia is hostable by Education intutions and other locations. Yes not strange at some University to find some of the Adult topic pages on Wikipedia missing then you notice the IP address is wrong.

    Getting stats from a site that you can download and host your own is not the most dependable way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

    Yes it perfectly legal to download the complete thing. Yes it also perfectly legal to self host it.

    GIMPer Artist as a very popular site self hosting can be a massive bandwidth saving.

    http://wikimedia.7.x6.nabble.com/How-to-mount-a-local-copy-of-the-English-Wikipedia-for-researchers-td4977575.html

    GIMPer Artist you are running a super computer its not hard to find someone to be stuck with the job setting up a local wikipedia.

  15. George Hostler says:

    Robert Pogson: Believe me, if the little woman had an aversion to GNU/Linux I never would have gotten away with installing it on her PC. It was the endless breakages of that other OS and the availability of all the applications and web applications she wanted that allowed me to move her to GNU/Linux. She has not experienced any software breakage since that change. In her quiet way, she loves */Linux.

    My wife uses Linux regularly on her laptop. I installed Ubuntu on it several years ago, when I bought a new Gateway laptop to replace the older Dell one, a C600 that finally bit the dust. It had Ubuntu on it, too. She’s happy with it in her quiet way, too. 😉

  16. bw wrote, “A portion of the nerd community is thrilled with the Linux image and works wonders in keeping it alive in commerce. Most of that is due to an IT manager acceptance of Linux stemming from its work-alike with Unix and IBM’s endorsement over a decade ago.”

    Other UNIX-like operating systems have been in decline for decades. Most system administrators have never used something called UNIX or officially labelled a UNIX OS. Linux does not need to be “kept alive” in commerce. GNU/Linux works for people. It’s the lowest cost OS out there and works very well on a wide range of hardware. It’s the goto OS. IT managers accept GNU/Linux because it works for them.

    bw also wrote, “the delineation between Windows and Mac continues to be a decision factor which also creates an aversion factor for Linux which does neither and worse.”

    I don’t think anyone has an aversion to GNU/Linux except a few sycophants of M$. GNU/Linux is shipped by most OEMs and consumers buy it in quantity whenever it is offered. Believe me, if the little woman had an aversion to GNU/Linux I never would have gotten away with installing it on her PC. It was the endless breakages of that other OS and the availability of all the applications and web applications she wanted that allowed me to move her to GNU/Linux. She has not experienced any software breakage since that change. In her quiet way, she loves */Linux.

  17. bw says:

    “Why?”

    I think there is a significant nerd factor in all of this. For one reason or another the vast majority of computer users think of PCs as either Windows or Mac, and they make their selections based on their prior experiences and their self-image. Apple has much more “snob appeal” these days due to a very effective image promotion campaign starting with the iPod and Steve Jobs return to Apple.

    A portion of the nerd community is thrilled with the Linux image and works wonders in keeping it alive in commerce. Most of that is due to an IT manager acceptance of Linux stemming from its work-alike with Unix and IBM’s endorsement over a decade ago. It does work as well as Unix for most if not all purposes and there is an infrastructure, mostly Red Hat originally but now including Oracle and the still-warm body remnants of Novell, that provides a commercially viable environment for it. Mark Shuttleworth, entrepreneur and erstwhile space tourist, has Canonical, Ltd. running around pushing the Ubuntu flavor of Linux for the PC as well.

    There are not enough nerds to go around, though, and Linux cannot muster the energy (and money) needed to ever be a factor in the PC world.

    That is unless you are willing to define an Android smart phone or tablet as the same thing as a PC. Fans of Linux have opted to do so, for obvious reasons to satisfy their long-frustrated psyche, and so we have these meaningless comparisons of the unit counts of phones and tablets versus traditional form factor PCs.

    It is hard to see where this sort of “victory” for the Linux “kernel” (if that is the right term) is really anything that the nerd set can use in daily life, though. Samsung, notably, and a host of others are madly building and selling phones and tablets that use Android which uses some portion of Linux which in turn gives Linux a sort of presence in usage statistics. The fans would like to believe that this means that Linux has a high degree of acceptance in the mass market, but I think the truth is that it simply does not have any degree of aversion since the OS in these devices is not a selling point for the device itself. Buyers do not have any real opinion about Android vs Apple since virtually any app that anyone has ever heard of are available from the Google App Store or the Apple App Store at the same price and all work the same. Rather the decision is made on social impact, with an iPhone or iPad being more “in” than an Android equivalent and buyers who feel that to be an important factor pay a premium price for the Apple product. Most curiously, the small group of people who buy Windows Phones or things like the Surface are the nerd types in this market.

    That is not true in the PC world and so the delineation between Windows and Mac continues to be a decision factor which also creates an aversion factor for Linux which does neither and worse.

  18. GIMPer Artist says:

    for instance, is mostly the English Wikipedia which deals with English speaking countries mostly and perhaps science/technology folks

    Well Robert, Linux is most used amongst science/technology folks, isn’t it?

    From Supercomputers, Servers, Scientific Workstations – to laptops and even toasters.

    Than why we can’t see them in WikiPedia Statistics? Why?

  19. oiaohm says:

    bw I guess you would not call the Samba case trivial.

    Where Microsoft is force to document and is forced to take part. They nasty bit is the conformation as lack of right to charge for tech that is not unique.

    –“I got that right here!”, said Bill Gates expansively, peeling a few bills off his roll and dropping them on the table. “Now let’s talk business.

    Just a little water over the dam.–

    Unfortunately I have to agree most of those cases George Hostler listed was pay money and its over.

    The Samba case is having on going ramifications. These have not ended yet.

    bw the Samba case is not a trumped up charges.

    Browser case is also related to the Samba case. It was another case of Microsoft extending a protocol that was not theirs in incompatible ways without complete documentation. The Browser case also found that Microsoft was using undocumented API’s to give themselves unfair advantages.

    MP3 player case also has touches the SMB set of protocols.

    Really these cases should server as fair warning. Don’t take a open standard and alter it into your own protocol. This is not allowed end of story.

    Its why Itunes and Idevices have not been hit. They went to the effort of creating there own new protocol from scratch.

    bw lot of the EU cases are because Microsoft has been lazy, evil or stupid. It has to be one of them if not all of them. Lazy altering someone else protocol instead of truly writing own and thinking they then can claim it. Evil extending protocols in undocumented ways. Stupid thinking that sooner or latter the would not be held over a barrel over this.

    Yes Microsoft is releasing code to Samba because it legally has to. Also you would notice in recent years Microsoft servers, operating systems and devices are being forced to use standard protocols.

    OOXML also comes out of the Samba case. Yes Microsoft has dragged it feet on that one.

    Samba case is the start of the end of Microsoft Vendor lock-in.

  20. Ted says:

    “http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737

    It states, Trolls have always been easy to spot. All of them share hatred of everything Slashdot is about and love of all that threatens free software. No matter how many accounts they use, they have to give themselves away to do their job.”

    Twitter? You cite twitter and expect to be taken seriously?

    “No matter how many accounts they use” – Twitter has been exposed for using about FORTY differnt accounts on Slashdot, in some cases[1] even posting replies to himself.

    http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377

    [1] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985275&cid=25254365 The first SEVEN posts are all twitter.

  21. bw says:

    “So, I don’t think these are trivial court actions.”

    “I got that right here!”, said Bill Gates expansively, peeling a few bills off his roll and dropping them on the table. “Now let’s talk business.

    Just a little water over the dam.

  22. George Hostler says:

    oiaohm: George Hostler everything on that list is small. The grand total of the Samba action not including the on going $2.1 Billion USD. And the Samba case is not formally closed yet.

    Well, the tune of 9 billion as of 2005 is certainly not a trivial amount. Below is a list of the first 10 payouts, all a quarter billion or greater.

    Award Amount Awarded to
    ————– ——————
    $1,950,000,000 Sun
    $1,100,000,000 California
    $850,000,000 IBM
    $750,000,000 AOL
    $613,000,000 EU
    $536,000,000 Novell
    $521,000,000 Eolas
    $500,000,000 DR DOS/Caldera
    $440,000,000 Intertrust
    $250,000,000 Apple

    So, I don’t think these are trivial court actions.

  23. bw says:

    “All of them share hatred of everything”

    Well that lets me out, George, I love everyone and everything, even Microsoft. How about yourself?

  24. oiaohm says:

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27277758-FSFE-Samba-Lawuit-MS-Has-To-Pay-1.1-Billion-Fine

    George Hostler everything on that list is small.

    The grand total of the Samba action not including the on going $2.1 Billion USD.

    And the Samba case is not formally closed yet. So more fines can be dropped on Microsoft if it does not cooperate with Samba Project and other compatibility projects.

    George Hostler. Samba case is the biggest single case so far.

    http://readwrite.com/2011/11/03/microsoft-finally-contributed

    Serous-ally is not over.

  25. George Hostler says:

    oiaohm: Biggest Microsoft fines by EU was miss use of the SMB set of protocols.

    There is more to it, oiaohm. For example, http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1048246/microsoft-lawsuit-payouts-usd9-billion

    has a nice rundown on previous fines leveed up to 2005. Since then, there have been more.

    It states, The Redmond giant has been ordered to pay nearly $9 billion, a figure which is set to rise with some lawsuits still to be ruled on. This covers everthing from the miniscule $2 million paid to the state of Iowa, as a fine following the 1999 lawsuit against MS for overcharging customers, to the huge $2 billion one paid to the Enemy, Sun Microsystems.

    Regarding a good summary document on Microsoft trolling, please see:

    http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737

    It states, Trolls have always been easy to spot. All of them share hatred of everything Slashdot is about and love of all that threatens free software. No matter how many accounts they use, they have to give themselves away to do their job.

    Both make for interesting reads.

  26. oiaohm says:

    bw Biggest Microsoft fines by EU was miss use of the SMB set of protocols. Samba.org just happened to be the one with the rights from IBM to manage the standard.

    Yes being forced to work with Samba developers to implement ADS and other things is quite massive. Also being forced to license all patents MS has over those network protocols for a once off fee of 10 000 EURO.

    That is a little more than just money.

  27. bw wrote, “At the same time, the variance in these results is well below the margin for error in the statistics”

    Nonsense. The standard deviation for counts of random data is ~√N where N is the count. Even 1% share of many millions of page-views is N ~105 so one could estimate an error in counting of +/- 300, very tiny. The growth is real, not a random error.

  28. bw says:

    “GNU/Linux is growing 150% per annum according to StatCounter… Pretty good, eh?”

    I don’t think so. With such a miniscule share of users, that is a failure in any product success rating system. At the same time, the variance in these results is well below the margin for error in the statistics and even the relation of the statistic to actual user frequency is ill-defined as you have often asserted yourself. You are “clutching at straws” as the saying goes.

  29. bw says:

    “Clearly, that statement is self-contradictory.”

    I would not agree with that. The site’s blog content is clearly bent towards fawning over Android, although not to the extent that your site extolls Linux. Even so, they do not generate much Linux traffic, perhaps due to a true dearth of Linux users. It is like the W3Schools site in that respect.

    “Because a thief has a large revenue is no reason to envy them. M$ should be put in jail, not celebrated.”

    You can’t put a corporation in jail for anything. You can put corporate officers in jail for violating fiduciary responsibilities, but not for directing anticompetitive practices. All you can do is fine the corporation and/or force corrective actions to be taken to undue any actual harm caused to market competitive structures. Even then, you have to actually find them doing something that is illegal and damaging at the same time.

    The EU has levied fines on Microsoft for rather trumped up charges that claim that it was anticompetitive for them to promote their MP3 player and web browser at the expense of others who could not compete unless Microsoft’s hands were tied. I personally think that the EU was just looking for some payola and represent an increasingly lazy populace who want never-ending benefits for less and less hard work, but you may think otherwise. At the end of the day, though, it is just business and Microsoft is no different than others who have been similarly mugged in the EU as the price of being successful.

    Even when Microsoft is fined for breaking rules, they are really playing by the rules which sat that you can be fined if you break the rules. It is a civil matter and only involves a small part of the revenue stream in the affected markets anyway. It is the price of doing business at that level in the world economy, nothing more.

    “FLOSS, GNU/Linux, and Android/Linux are doing marvelously well regardless of revenue. They are all growing rapidly and working for a living instead of enslaving people.”

    It all depends on your definition of “doing marvelously well” of course. If you prize financial return as the prime criterion of success, you are woefully off the mark. If you only value the inclusion of a few kbytes worth of code in some task dispatcher, your rating for Android is justified, but certainly not for Linux or those antique GNU programs that go along with it.

    With Android, their success is like a banker winning the Best Dressed prize. It is hard to see where it matters much. By that criterion, Linux is the bum sitting on the curb drinking muscatel from a bottle in a paper bag. Hard to find any redeeming feature there.

  30. oiaohm says:

    Maou Sadao most of the wikipedia methods does not include user/machine tracking.

    This one did include user/machine tracking.

  31. dougman wrote, “when was the last time you seen someone with a Windows phone or tablet???”

    Never.

  32. bw wrote, “It seems to cater to the Linux crowd and it is rather surprising that it only shows 4% Linux users.”

    Clearly, that statement is self-contradictory.

    bw also wrote, “Microsoft is up some 18% and has annual revenues of around $80 billion bucks. How’s your team doing?”

    Because a thief has a large revenue is no reason to envy them. M$ should be put in jail, not celebrated. FLOSS, GNU/Linux, and Android/Linux are doing marvelously well regardless of revenue. They are all growing rapidly and working for a living instead of enslaving people.

    Samsung, “The Korean smartphone king grew smartphone shipments by 64.3 percent year-over-year while shipping 82.2 million tablets, smartphones, and notebooks combined.”

    Pretty good, eh?

    GNU/Linux is growing 150% per annum according to StatCounter… Pretty good, eh?

    Meanwhile FLOSS, as indicated by projects on GitHub is absolutely huge and still growing.

    My favourite corner of FLOSS, Debian GNU/Linux and the Linux kernel are thriving. We don’t have to pay M$’s game of locking people into particular technologies to make a living. M$ is pretty weak if it can’t survive with competition.

  33. Maou Sadao wrote, “Mr. Pogson doesn’t believe statistics with a far, far wider reach than this (say, Wikipedia)”.

    All simple webstats that count unique IPs or page-views are faulty if we think of global coverage. Language/regional differences mean every website is biased. Averaging a huge number of biases does not necessarily eliminate them. Wikipedia, for instance, is mostly the English Wikipedia which deals with English speaking countries mostly and perhaps science/technology folks. Market-ticker counts cookies, yet another technology. It solves the problems of changing IP addresses, multiple users per PC, firewalls etc.

    The only webstats that I might say are “good” would be from a search engine like Google or ISPs but even they are not sufficiently global and they don’t give those stats away for $0. Still, web stats do show changes. That’s mostly what I care about, breaking the retail monopoly on desktop OS.

  34. Maou Sadao says:

    Another case of amnesia. Mr. Pogson doesn’t believe statistics with a far, far wider reach than this (say, Wikipedia), but gobbles up any statistics of any single website that can help him “prove” his point.

  35. George Hostler says:

    Robert, after looking at your link, the mobile hits as expressed are: 48.43% Android, 44.07% iPhone, 3.20% BlackBerry 10, 3.08% Legacy BlackBerry, and 1.21% Windows Mobile.

    Linux as Google’s Android distro has a clear lead. Windows certainly has a lot of catching up to do.

  36. dougman says:

    Ex-successful company, meaning they are on a downward trend, to think otherwise is foolish.

    My “juvenile” website pays me well and it keeps me busy to the extent that, I do not have time to blog like I use to.

    Where’s your IT website or blog?

  37. bw says:

    “Not very well it seems, as terms like “sell stock” and “downgrade value” is not synonymous with a successful company.”

    You are suggesting that Microsoft is not a successful company? Lots of millionaires and even multi-billionaires would chuckle at the idea. Of course they do not know how to stretch an F/A-18F as far as you!

    If you are going to pose as some financial erudite, you need to clean up your act. Lose that connection to that juvenile looking web site for starters.

  38. dougman says:

    The question should be, “How is M$ doing?”

    Not very well it seems, as terms like “sell stock” and “downgrade value” is not synonymous with a successful company.

    Since 2001, the past 12 years, M$ stock price has not changed and why should it?? Compare the difference between Apple and Google, where would you put your money?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-microsoft-now-game-over-ballmer-loses/

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57579242-75/goldman-says-sell-microsoft-others-downgrade-stock/

  39. bw says:

    This is not a general purpose site at all. It seems to cater to the Linux crowd and it is rather surprising that it only shows 4% Linux users. If you used your own site, for example, it might show 58% market share for Linux, but what sort of sample? You have to look to financials for any insight into who is doing well and who is a chump. Microsoft is up some 18% and has annual revenues of around $80 billion bucks. How’s your team doing?

  40. dougman says:

    Once you factor in all devices, to include tablets, smartphones, servers you really do not see M$ Windows being a viable option these days. I says its more ~5% these days, when was the last time you seen someone with a Windows phone or tablet???

    When a PC manufacturer lowers the price, it is a sign of failure, looking at the RT tablets.

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-happen/

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/3/4390914/windows-rt-price-cuts-to-generate-interest-from-oems-rumor

    The problem is entirely Microsoft’s own fault. The cost of software tools to build an application for android – 0$. The cost of software tools to build an iOS app – 0$, with another 99$ for a developer account to deploy.

    The cost of software tools to build for Windows / RT – 7000 USD. That’s the price of an MSDN subscription. People shell out that kind of money when building desktop applications since their Windows is pervasive on the desktop.

    This is the reason trolls come here and attack, as they have a vested interest in Windows and want the money to continue rolling.

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