Samsung: “we need to move beyond just being good consumers of open source … to being very active and strong contributors and thought leaders”

It is a key requirement of the FLOSS community that substantial businesses step up and contribute time, money, energy and manpower to the creation and maintenance of FLOSS in lieu of paying licensing fees to vendors of non-free software. There have been businesses large and small step up over the years from start-up RedHat to IBM and SUN. Now it is Samsung’s turn. They have clearly demonstrated that FLOSS is compatible with business and the flexibility and value that FLOSS conveys is priceless.

“As a company, we realize that we need to move beyond just being good consumers of open source, and being a contributor to a few select projects, to being very active and strong contributors and thought leaders in the component communities that are the foundation for our software platform and used in many products.”
see Samsung Talks About Its Aggressive Linux Talent Recruitment Strategy

Samsung’s success with consumer electronics and in particular Android/Linux smart thingies is partly due to the flexibility and rapid development of FLOSS and partly due to Samsung’s seizing the concept to get better products to market sooner. They don’t need exclusivity nor closed-source software to do that. In the process they are leaving M$ and “partners” in their dust. Consumers and retailers love Samsung so no one cares that M$ is not amused… M$ is relegated to rapidly declining shares of operating systems shipped, making idle threats to competitors and calling them names.
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About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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25 Responses to Samsung: “we need to move beyond just being good consumers of open source … to being very active and strong contributors and thought leaders”

  1. Maou Sadao says:

    Oiaohm has gone off the deep end. He does that from time to time. Most likely he has used up all his meds, and his salary for sheep shearing still hasn’t materialized.

    Writing the name “Microsoft” as “M$” or “Micro$oft” is nothing but a sign of an infantile mind. Use such deeply “original” ways of writing in a scientific paper or any serious writing, and you’ll be seen as a retard. For certain bloggers, this is not a problem, of course.

  2. Ted says:

    “Ted the problem is what you call indefensible is not.The reality is Micro$oft comes out of the Ascii art culture.”

    My point has nothing to do with ASCII art, you’re the one who brought this complete irrelevancy into this.

    The “indefensible” thing is something else. Do I really have to spell it out? Or would you just think it’s something to do with doctors?

    The rest is another pointless, irrelevant wall of nonsensical blather and insults.

    There’s quite frankly nothing else worth refuting in it, and you’ve done nothing to try and refute me. You’ve only tried to bury the issue under your usual mass of baloney.

  3. oiaohm says:

    –It is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and just something you’ve pulled from Wikipedia to try and defend the indefensible.–

    Ted the problem is its not. I was waiting for this.

    Go to the Wikipedia and bring me the rules of single line ascii art.

    Sorry Ted what I am talking about is not in the Wikipedia. Even finding it by Google is knowing that it exists and what it is called is hard because this is old stuff.

    Ted the traditions of single line ascii art and attempting copying of company logos exactly as possible in single line come after EBCDIC art and start before Microsoft comes into existence and still goes on even in current day.

    Just to be funny Wikipedia one-line reference is modern.

    Ted the problem is what you call indefensible is not. The reality is Micro$oft comes out of the Ascii art culture.

    The true fact of the matter you don’t have a single clue where Micro$oft comes from or where M$ first appears.

    Ted just like you really did not have a clue what is happening to open source program names.

    You are being a idiot. Its about time you get a clue. The reason why M$ and Micro$oft has turned up from time to time used in no insulting ways is that neither was first created as an insult. Some people are old enough to have use both in non insulting ways.

    Now if Microsoft had just accepted and use M$ and Micro$oft how much insulting power do you think they would have. The answer is bugger all. Its just like the Greeks in Australia accepting the term wog.

    Limiting usage has made M$ and Micro$oft more powerful insults.

    Ted attacking the usage and limiting even more just makes is stronger.

  4. Ted says:

    “and most likely don’t know Ascii art history.”

    I don’t, and funnily enough,nor do I give a single solitary toss about it.

    It is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, and just something you’ve pulled from Wikipedia to try and defend the indefensible.

  5. oiaohm wrote, of ASCII art, “Yes those traditions are pre Microsoft even being a company.”

    Heck, I remember EBCDIC art on punched cards…

    Here’s an ancient example of punched cards storing vector graphics.

    and EBCDIC art intended for line-printers.

  6. oiaohm says:

    Ted I have seen you else where attack other for just using M$.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_art is very old and has some traditions. Yes those traditions are pre Microsoft even being a company.

    –It can’t be too much farther to Wonderland…–
    Not Wonderland it is History. History is most likely wonderland to you because you don’t read it Ted and most likely don’t know Ascii art history.

    Ted just because someone is using it insulting does not mean its no longer a valid generic term.

    Its possible to use the whole word Microsoft in an insulting way. Microsoft

    Yes there are more ways to insult Microsoft than skin a cat.

    Why I said you were a twit is GNU was the wrong example. Recent GNU added software does not have the GNU tag stuck on start and even some old have been re-brand removing the GNU tag due to protests about it.

    If you wanted example current day over branding Apache was the choice.

    Ted there was a correct example you where just too much of idiot not to check out what GNU has been doing.

    GNU branding reduction is a sign of a culture change. Apache is sticking to the old Unix world style branding. Even then there have been some protests against it with Apache.

    Basically get your examples right or expect to be called a idiot Ted. MS Tolls are normally too stupid to think other items other than GNU exist.

    The FOSS world is not nicely uniform.

    Yes there was the chance for you to argue it using Apache but that is even questionable when I can pull mailing list entries of people arguing against Apache being used before particular product names.

    So you can fairly much say -company- -product- naming is not liked any-more. Besides it bad grammar.

    Ted Ibm has gone to quite an extreme.
    IBM Collaboration Software (Lotus).

    So this has changed to -Company- -type of software- (software name)

    Ted there is a lot going on with software naming at the moment.

    Last 8 years how to name you software has changed from nice predictable to what the heck now.

    –GNU Cash? GNU Speech?–
    If I really want to waste my time there are arguments in both of those mailing lists about dropping the Gnu name. And both of those have removed the space.

    http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuspeech/
    http://gnucash.org

    GnuCash kept the capitalisation at this stage. gnuspeech has lost the capitalisation.

    About 5 years ago their names contained spaces. Not today Ted. You are still using crap examples. They are in the progress of losing Gnu in name.

    Things don’t happen instantly Ted.

    So as normal you are being impolite as you are getting up Robert Pogson for. Basically if you are getting up a person for using names incorrectly you better get them right Yourself Ted.

    –I await your protest to the FSF about GNU Cash, GNU Speech, GNU Robots, GNU Electric, GNU Radio, GNU Sound, GNU School, GNU Units, GNU Time, GNU Standards, GNU Step, and GNU Jump.–

    I will rewrite this correctly.

    –I await your protest to the FSF about GnuCash, gnuspeech, GNU Robots,Electric, GNU Radio, GNUsound, GNU Units, Time, GNU coding standards, GNUstep, and GNUjump.–

    GNU Robots still has the space but last update was 2008. GNU Units is the same. The only current day maintained in your list using the GNU-space- GNU Radio.

    And you will most likely notice that one is missing.

    –GNU School– That as a name does not exist any more. It might be the –The Education Team at the GNU Project–

    Ted exactly why should I not call you a twit when you got that much wrong. Most of what you put up was correct before 2008. But we are not in the year 2008. Really the ones you have quotes give a really good cross section covering re-branding due to protest.

  7. Ted says:

    “Ted the problem is its Ansi/Ascii art tradition.”

    It can’t be too much farther to Wonderland…

    “There is a reason why I am defending the M$. Reason trolls like you Ted stupidly take it without other facts as a person being insulting.”

    On this site, “M$” is used in an insulting manner (Don’t believe me? Scroll up!) yet Pogson has a swipe at Microsoft for calling people names. Do I really have to explain my point to you?

    “Yes you are being a bit of twit Ted”
    “Ted of course you are too much of a idiot”

    You really, really, just don’t get my point do you? You call me names in a thread where Pogson gets holier-than-thou about Microsoft calling others names. The fact you are not censured for your constant name-calling also re-inforces my point, too.

    I’ll break this down into a potted history of the comments;

    Pogson – M$ call other companies names! How dare they!
    Me – You call Microsoft “M$” all the time. Pot, kettle?
    Oiaohm – M$ is not insulting elsewhere. “MS” also means “Multiple Sclerosis”
    Me – Pogson intends it to be insulting. This is an IT-centric site. Confusion is unlikely.
    Pogson – “In my case, it definitely is insulting”
    Oiaohm – M$ is not insulting elsewhere.
    Pogson – M$ take generic terms and slap “M$” on the front. It shouldn’t be allowed!!
    Me – GNU Cash? GNU Speech?
    Oiaohm – Old Microsoft logo had a funny “O” in it.
    Oiaohm – M$ is not an insult because ASCII art
    Red Queen – Off with his head!

  8. oiaohm says:

    Ted Ansi/Ascii Art tradition mandated representing as close as possible to the graphical with text in the min number of chars. Microsoft first logo caused a issue to this Tradition due to not fitting. I did not explain away the other childish names. There is a reason why I am defending the M$. Reason trolls like you Ted stupidly take it without other facts as a person being insulting.

    Ted even that Posgon has ADMITTED using M$ as an insult does not mean the word is.

    Welcome to the true shades of grey. M$ is sometimes insulting sometimes not.

    –I await your protest to the FSF about GNU Cash, GNU Speech, GNU Robots, GNU Electric, GNU Radio, GNU Sound, GNU School, GNU Units, GNU Time, GNU Standards, GNU Step, and GNU Jump.–

    Ted remember how most KDE applications started with the letter K and most Gnome applications started with the letter G. This is mostly gone.

    Electric name no longer officially includes GNU.

    Yes you are being a bit of twit Ted. There has been protests about embedding GNU in program names. That tradition is being killed off. Programs are expected to stand or fall on there own two feet.

    Some like gnuspeech and gnucash are very hard to change. Its not like the general Linux world likes this naming pattern any more. Its a throw back to the Unix days and Unix Proprietary software naming models.

    Ted of course you are too much of a idiot to even argue this correctly against Robert. Microsoft did not invent the company name stuff first.

    Pointing to open source projects and asking for protests about it is being stupid. There have been protests about it and many programs have been renamed removing it.

    Robert Pogson non tolerance of MS …. Lines up with an overall culture shift in program naming.

    Ted try to find a new started program in the last 8 years that starts with GNU …. You will be digging there is not one. All that is left is legacy using that pattern.

  9. oiaohm says:

    –That logo you drag out again contains what is quite clearly, an “O”, and if someone wished to show the name of a particular Seattle software company without any confusion, they could use only the alphabet and simply type “Microsoft”–

    Ted the problem is its Ansi/Ascii art tradition.

  10. Ted says:

    “This is the true funny problem. Micro$oft starts because MicrØsoft is too insulting and not cross platform.”
    “Basically Microsoft did something stupid. They did a logo containing their name that could not be typed.”

    That logo you drag out again contains what is quite clearly, an “O”, and if someone wished to show the name of a particular Seattle software company without any confusion, they could use only the alphabet and simply type “Microsoft”

    Although there’s a morbid fascination to see how deep the rabbit hole of your fabrications will go, I must stop you here with a few points;

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand. You are simply making stuff up as tangents in your usual effort to get the last word.

    Posgon has ADMITTED using M$ as an insult, although he fails to have the courage of his convictions and makes up a vague excuse for it.

    You are trying very hard to explain away only “M$”. Please also explain away all the other childish names used on this blog to describe Microsoft and their products, while at the same time Pogson derides Microsoft for name-calling.

  11. oiaohm says:

    Ted it is the limitation of Ansi chars.

    http://www.alanwood.net/demos/ansi.html Now this is dos and Microsoft basic before it. Microsoft made a logo that cannot be written well.

    The closest you can do is this MicrØsoft . Now that O char just happens to match up the Ansi char for Zero in some fonts including Microsoft default Dos and Basic font.

    This is the true funny problem. Micro$oft starts because MicrØsoft is too insulting and not cross platform. To be cross platform you had to limit to the first 128 chars of ascii http://www.asciitable.com/.

    Basically Microsoft did something stupid. They did a logo containing their name that could not be typed.

    So be thankful that Anti-Microsoft are not calling them Micro Zero Soft. Ted yes the first Microsoft logo disappears.

    The screwed up logo was only used for 5 years 1982-1987 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Microsoft_Logo_Historical.svg This was in my link.

    The logo complete changes because it stuffed up. Every Microsoft company name in a logo after that is clearly type-able.

    Ted really Micro$oft is a historic thing.

    Basically why not do the o. If they did the o it becomes Mirc Zero Soft. Ascii art is part approximation. Yes even by 1985 Ascii art is a old art form. Ascii art the attempt to represent graphics using text alone.

    This is the reality. Micro$oft is quite minor and was done to at first to avoid offence.

  12. Ted says:

    “Ted Micro$oft that you sees as well also traces to Microsoft first logo. You cannot do the o in Microsoft first logo in Ascii. ”

    Why is the “o” of any significance here? The “$” of “M$” is a reference to the “s” not the “O”.

    I fail to see what you’re trying to prove here, unless it’s only that you’ll make up absolutely anything to try to prove someone else wrong, and you right.

  13. Ted says:

    “M$ frequently uses generic terms for its products and adds M$ to the beginning. I think that’s an unfair practice in that using generic terms is not technically allowed.”

    I await your protest to the FSF about GNU Cash, GNU Speech, GNU Robots, GNU Electric, GNU Radio, GNU Sound, GNU School, GNU Units, GNU Time, GNU Standards, GNU Step, and GNU Jump.

  14. Ted wrote, “The other is that it’s intended to be insulting. They’re not using “M$” to avoid confusion – it’s only intended to insult Microsoft.”

    In my case, it definitely is insulting but it also clarifies the situation. M$ frequently uses generic terms for its products and adds M$ to the beginning. I think that’s an unfair practice in that using generic terms is not technically allowed. M$ did manage to fool the USPTO to allowing it’s name for its OS to stand alone. I am becoming less concerned about this now that M$ is losing its monopoly position but when they are all over the place it definitely dampens competition when the big guy doesn’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else.

  15. oiaohm says:

    Ted Micro$oft that you sees as well also traces to Microsoft first logo. You cannot do the o in Microsoft first logo in Ascii. Yes lesson to anyone making company names don’t present it using able to be typed chars. Result can be something you don’t exactly like.

    So there is a long history leading to the appearance of M$. Starts life non insulting and grows into insulting.

  16. oiaohm says:

    –They’re not using “M$” to avoid confusion – it’s only intended to insult Microsoft.–

    Ted it was originally true. First appearance of M$ is M$ Basic. Yes that is going back long way.

    http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=6209.0;wap2

    Ted this is 2005 and its not a insulting usage.

    –Anyone reading “MS” in a forum primarily to do with computing is unlikely to think “Multiple Sclerosis”. There is no danger of people confusing “MS” for anything other than “Microsoft” here.–

    That is how it started. It started before MS Dos existed. Heck it started before Microsoft even acquired QDOS.

    M$ is not only intended to insult Microsoft. Its also a common short hand for Microsoft from the Basic programmers world.

    Ted basically you are being overly touchy with no understanding of history of the term.

    In fact the power form M$ insulting comes from the fact its not used enough any more in its no insulting form.

  17. Ted says:

    @oiaohm.

    “If you dig back to the first appearance of M$ referring to Microsoft its in Medical Journals.”

    It was used as an abbreviation for “million dollars”, not a reference to Microsoft.

    As for your second “corrected” link, two things;

    1. The Register? Really?
    2. It doesn’t exactly back you up, does it?

    It’s just an old article that calls Microsoft “M$” in the headline. To have a swipe at Microsoft.

    Shall I link to posts that call Microsoft *far worse* from 1995 and earlier?

    @Gonzalo;

    “MS ~ m$ explanation = amusing and enlightening”

    Unfortunately, it’s also complete baloney. Even if it were originally true, it’s no longer the case, and it’s definitely invalid here. Oiaohm chooses to ignore two important things – the context and the intent.

    Anyone reading “MS” in a forum primarily to do with computing is unlikely to think “Multiple Sclerosis”. There is no danger of people confusing “MS” for anything other than “Microsoft” here.

    The other is that it’s intended to be insulting. They’re not using “M$” to avoid confusion – it’s only intended to insult Microsoft.

  18. Gonzalo says:

    MS ~ m$ explanation = amusing and enlightening 😀

  19. oiaohm says:

    Wrong example. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/06/bill_gates_runs_m/

    2000 and before M$ is common used by many different media.

  20. oiaohm says:

    http://www.checkorphan.org/grid/news/people/bill-gates-injects-750-million-in-troubled-health-fund-after-director-says-he-s-resigning

    Ted most people don’t read Medical news. If you dig back to the first appearance of M$ referring to Microsoft its in Medical Journals. Not all usage of M$ is bad. Sometimes it has a true reason to prevent confusion.

    Yes the old favourite is very interesting and makes sense when you know where it comes from.

  21. oiaohm says:

    Ted we never said we were nice.

    The bad thing more and more you look at the Microsoft ads against Google more you find them doing the same things in other areas of there company like with skype.

    M$ did not start as a insult. Problem here is Multiple sclerosis (MS) also has the same 2 letter. $ because Microsoft is a commercial company not a illness you can have for free. Some ways calling Microsoft MS is worse.(yet Microsoft liked call there products that for some reason).

    Also the M$ comes from that Micro-Soft is kinda implied by Microsoft first Logo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Microsoft_Logo_Historical.svg and the way the name is said.

    Ted so M$ may be above board.

  22. Ted says:

    @Pogson;

    “calling them names.”

    You mean like the FSF’s “BadVista” or “Windows7Sins”? Or your very own “Lose’95”, “Lose ’98”, “Phoney7”, “inActive Directory”, “Internet Exploder”? Not forgetting that old favourite that you use in the article – “M$”.

    Or here;
    http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/10/naming-names-for-an-os-and-its-features/

    You had a point with your cheap shot?

  23. Gonzalo says:

    This would be very good, both for Samsung and for FLOSS. I think is a win-win situation if they help to improve OSS and in an open way. They get what they need for their tablets, phones and computers, and can help other developers to make GNU/Linux to grow further.
    By the way, that chart is a good example (even though page hits are not a true statistic) of how windows is falling and falling.

  24. bw wrote, “They all want a piece of your wallet.”

    True, but some are willing to work for it. M$ thinks they should be paid for nothing.

  25. bw says:

    “calling them names.”

    It is true, though. Nobody is your friend, Mr. Pogson, not even Google. They all want a piece of your wallet.

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