Local News – Murder In My Old Neighbourhood

When I was a boy, we played hide-and-seek outside in safety in an old neighbourhood. No longer is that a safe place. I read this:
“Police said the victims were walking in the Langside area when they were approached by suspects, who accused them of being gang members.
The victims said they weren’t gang members and walked away to avoid any further confrontation.”
see Homicide investigators call for tips in fatal shooting; believe attack was mistaken identity case | CTV Winnipeg News

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Stupid gangs. Stupid people in stupid gangs. I am glad I don’t live there any more but what about the thousands of ordinary folks who do? Is my nearest city becoming like Mexico with drug cartels staking out free-fire zones? What about gun-control? Why isn’t that preventing this stuff? Stupid gang-members don’t follow the law, so the law has very little effect. Even if police/ambulance arrive in minutes people die and the law gives them no protection.
Maybe it’s time Canada becomes a right-to-carry kind of place. If we are going to be targets, should we not have the ability to shoot back?
Wikipedia:“In a 2003 article, Yale Law professors John J. Donohue III and Ian Ayres have claimed that Lott’s conclusions were largely the result of a limited data set and that re-running Lott’s tests with more complete data (and nesting the separate Lott and Mustard level and trend econometric models to create a hybrid model simultaneously calculating level and trend) yielded none of the results Lott claimed. However Lott has recently updated his findings with further evidence. According to the FBI, during the first year of the Obama administration the national murder rate declined by 7.4% along with other categories of crime which fell by significant percentages. During that same time national gun sales increased dramatically. According to Mr. Lott 450,000 more people bought guns in November 2008 than November 2007 which represents a 40% increase in sales, a trend which continued throughout 2009. The drop in the murder rate was the biggest one-year drop since 1999, another year when gun sales soared in the wake of increased calls for gun control as a result of the Columbine shooting.”

I’d like a .45 ACP, please, before I go walking there. M1911a1_medium

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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10 Responses to Local News – Murder In My Old Neighbourhood

  1. Mats Hagglund says:

    They didn’t take seriously enough the rise of motorbike gangs in Scandinavia in 1990’s. Now these gangs are targeting more and more their action to construction, hotels, restaurants, night clubs, debt collection business etc… Some of my friends doing business in Helsinki have found hard to compete honestly (paying taxes, etc ) when there are more an more enterprises own totally or party by these gangs like Hells Angels and Cannonball (laundering money).

  2. bw says:

    “It is already against the law for a felon to own a firearm.”

    But it is not politically correct to tattoo “FELON” on the forehead of the felon to identify them as violating a gun law. If guns themselves are outlawed, there is no quandary.

    As to the number of suicides and accidents vs homicides, look at

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/01/20/the-gun-toll-ignoring-suicide/xeWBHDHEvvagfkRlU3CfZJ/story.html

    I thought the accident rate was a lot higher than that, but frequently it is little kids shooting one another so maybe they stick out more.

    “Carrying is a rite of passage for the gangs. ”

    And you know this how? Are you a gang banger?

  3. bw wrote, “With mere possession of a firearm being a felony, it would soon be a very rare occurrence for a bad guy to be flashing one around.”

    Not even close. Carrying is a rite of passage for the gangs. Don’t carry. Don’t get into the gang. Get caught. Do easy time. Earn points. Some gangs require the firearm to be used in order to earn creds. It’s a culture of primitive beliefs. Nothing enlightening reaches them.

  4. George Hostler says:

    BW: With mere possession of a firearm being a felony, it would soon be a very rare occurrence for a bad guy to be flashing one around.

    The problem is, many of the criminals are repeat offenders. It is already against the law for a felon to own a firearm.

    BW: There are a lot of deaths from guns annually in the US, but the vast majority are either suicides or accidental.

    Proof? When I lived in the Los Angeles area, it was not unusual to see 20 to 30 die each weekend due to gang related violence. They were not suicides or accidental firearms discharges, although the news media might term it as, “an innocent bystander was accidentally shot in the head during a drive by”.

  5. bw says:

    “You would have to throw away all civil rights…”

    You can start with the idea that guns are illegal, at least guns in the possession of individuals outside of law enforcement. The vast majority of people, yourself presumably included, will obey the law, I believe. I know that I would.

    With mere possession of a firearm being a felony, it would soon be a very rare occurrence for a bad guy to be flashing one around. That would give the law enforcement the right to apprehend the felon upon sight. No need for probable cause, just a view of the weapon.

    Make the price high enough and no one will pay it. If the gang member knows that he is going to prison without a doubt if he is seen with a gun, they will be back to knives and clubs in short order.

    “It is foolish to deny citizens offsetting equipment.”

    It is much more foolish to pretend that you are capable of acting where law enforcement cannot. There are a lot of deaths from guns annually in the US, but the vast majority are either suicides or accidental. Very few people are attacked and killed by someone with a firearm. No guns, no gun deaths, pure and simple.

  6. bw wrote, “Better that no one is armed than everyone is armed, I think.”

    That is a Utopian ideal, not a practical solution. You would have to throw away all civil rights, do house-to-house searching and set up roadblocks and constantly frisk people for it to be real. In the real world criminals can get whatever hardware they want. It is foolish to deny citizens offsetting equipment.

    In practice, Canada has low level of violence but clearly terrorists and gangs have no restraint at all from law. This killing was in broad daylight on a sidewalk in the most densely populated part of the city.

  7. bw says:

    “should we not have the ability to shoot back?”

    I think you are begging for a “Yes! Amen, Brother Pogson!” here. It is hard to say no when the question is phrased that way. However, a better question to ask is “Should we need the ability to shoot back?”

    If everyone, good or bad, is in the habit of going around armed and ready for any sort of trouble, I would expect that there will likely be a lot of trouble occurring. Better that no one is armed than everyone is armed, I think. It would be a lot better world if everyone were safe rather than needing to be constantly vigilant. Work to make that happen.

    Think of all the Windows users in Winnipeg, too stupid to use Linux. Would you trust them to carry a concealed weapon? Certainly not.

  8. AB wrote, “why .45 ACP over 9mm parabellum?”

    Makes a bigger hole in the bad guy.

  9. Aieee a Ballhogg says:

    Sad news. Gangs cause a lot of problems and are a difficult problem to solve, requiring effort on many levels.

    But on the hardware, why .45 ACP over 9mm parabellum?

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