Great Eagle Valley Computers, A Different Sort of OEM…

Instead of “we recommend that other OS”, GEV has this on their web-site:

“Are you tired of running Windows Operating System???
Are you tired of viruses, malware, registry nightmares, slowness, fragmentation, and other bloating and ugly things that impact the performance of your hardware??? Did you know that hardware is roughly 40% of the performance, and the remainder is software???
If so, then continue reading and learn more about using alternative Operating Systems.
Complete Operating System –
Your computer can be better: it can be fast, fun and easier to use.

• No more virus attacks • No more annoying popups • Linux is lightning fast • No more daily Micro$oft Security Updates • Stable, no reboots or reinstalls • Persistent and Reliable Performance over time • Secure • Very good at Multitasking • Low Cost • Can be installed alongside Windows (Dual Booting) • Internet & Office Software • Runs great even on slower CPUs (Processors) • Packages can be easily upgraded if necessary • “

see GEV (Great Eagle Valley) Computers.

Refreshing. This is just one of dozens of businesses listed on Debian’s site as 78 businesses installing Debian GNU/Linux in 24 countries. It looks like USA, Italy and Germany are champions of Debian GNU/Linux. If you multiply that sort of acceptance by dozens of great distributions of GNU/Linux, we can see why hundreds of millions are using GNU/Linux today. They either download and install it themselves, buy it pre-installed with a PC or pay someone else to do install it.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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49 Responses to Great Eagle Valley Computers, A Different Sort of OEM…

  1. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog problem is you did not know who did wobbly windows or its first name. Apple 2002 production release on OS X. Not beta not alpha. Apple demo there Liminocity on Linux 2002 and suggest doing what Wayland is doing now. This would have made Open Source applications more portable to OS X and function better on OS X.

    Der Balrog the 2003 you are point to of Longhorn is only a prototype.

    Linux world would have been way better off on the desktop if we had listened to Apple. Yes it would have been in Apple benefit.

    Der Balrog Apple has a large number of firsts they should be credited with. Please don’t say Linux copied a feature from Microsoft when the reality is everything says Linux copied it from Apple. The true inventors deserve the credit.

    That is the big thing lot of similarities between Linux and Microsoft are the fact we have copied from same sources. If anyone has the right to complain about coping its Apple. The huge number of features Apple had first then Linux or Microsoft copied or both copied. Is not funny.

    Notice the recycle bin under KDE is called trash in reference to Apple trash can.

    Basically as soon as you get under the skin of KDE you find Apple reference after Apple reference. Same happens when you did into gnome.

    Der Balrog now if you want to accuse Linux of coping Apple go right ahead the evidence backs you. The similarities between Windows and Linux is more good luck than anything else.

    If you want to see the biggest collection of Apple laptops in 1 place other than a Apple Conference go to a Linux Conference. I am not talking hackatoshes I am talking true Apple laptops. They out number the machines running windows at Linux conferences.

    Reality here Der Balrog I know who Linux has been cheating off of. Has not done a good job because it did not listen to the advice its been cheating off of.

    There is a reason way Miguel de Icaza of all things would be going to OS X. The one that fells most like what he has been using is the one where the most of the features has been copied from.

  2. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog that was not the first Liminocity. It is the first Liminocity on X11. Yes it took until 2004 for X11 to be altered so Liminocity could be properly ported to X11. It took 2 years to alter the stack of X11 so it could half work.

    That is the one Redhat demos. Der Balrog those are not called wobbly windows. Those are Jiggly Windows same as OS X calls them.

    What you have found is the first X11 port at the same time conversion to C.

    Der Balrog what you are calling Wobbly Windows on Linux are in fact based on what Apple did.

    By the way how to know you got hands on original Liminocity it is written in object c. Apple and love of object c.

    Der Balrog the fact that Apple and Redhat use the same codename for implement the same feature Liminocity. Who are they coping. The answer is not Microsoft. Apple has production release 2002. Also the reason why Apple does demo is they wanted more applications.

    Exactly why would Linux be coping Microsoft prototypes. Reality you would not bother. Wobbly Windows term only appears in Linux after Vista is released.

    Der Balrog I am not saying Linux has not copied this feature. The name Apple gave desktop effects was Liminocity.

    Everything about desktop effects on Linux just read Apple Apple and more Apple. Its kinda 100 percent sure when everything before the release vista that everything is labelled the Apple way. Most likely if you got into Microsoft internals they read identically. Except Microsoft did not copy Apple naming.

    The overlap point is Apple.

    Search in start menu is a kde first feature. It appears in year 2000 in kde. This is a feature Microsoft copied.

    Der Balrog pull out a feature that is Microsofts not one they copied. Vista is a mixture of stuff from the Linux world, Stuff from the Apple world and Stuff from Sun Microsystems.

    There was going to be one first feature in Vista. Winfs. The feature they did not deliver.

  3. Der Balrog says:

    What, Peter? You mean this Luminocity which came into existence in 2004? Here are some old OGG movies from March 2005 that show wobbly windows on Fedora.

  4. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser Luminocity prototype comes before this and continues after this.
    –On March 24, 2001, Mac OS X v10.0 became the first mainstream operating system to feature software-based 3D compositing and effects, provided by its Quartz component.

    Gee, Hamster, looks like the damn thing went mainstream even before Linux came up with it. —

    Note the software-based. Linux/Unix had software based 3D effects in a few Windows managers in the 199x time frame.

    Luminocity prototype run on Linux and what would become OS X. Its the base to Quartz and base to sections of the X11 composite extensions and compiz. 2002 is the accelerated using 3d acceleration in video cards Luminocity prototype. Or modern style compositing.

    Apple did not just put something into final product without making a prototype first. It is a really interesting bit of history. At the time of the Luminocity prototype starting Apple was not sure if OS X would be Linux or BSD or something else.

    –One of the first systems with a compositing windowing system was the Commodore Amiga, released in 1985.– Lacks 3d effects.

    If you are talking 2d compositing we get into a nasty arguement of what is first. Commodore Amiga is choose because it the first without a software fall back option. “One of the the first systems” is there for a reason. There are a hell load with 2d compositing. This even include early X11 closed source beasts. Introduction of 3d had broken X11 2d compositing well and truly.

    Also 2d compositing cannot do effects like wobbly windows. So I dropped counting Amiga and prior 2d compositing solution on Der Balrog point on wobbly windows.

    Apple takes the credit for starting modern 3d Compositing. In fact Apple takes the credit for introducing it to Linux 2002 they present to a Linux conference. Not something I am expecting to see again Apple giving a key note at a Linux conference.

    Problem is 3d effects like wobbly windows Der Balrog was attempt to assign to Microsoft.

    Claiming KDE had copied wobbly windows Apple in places would have be part right. Forked off of what Apple had given up on would be correct. And forked off incorrectly.

    DrLoser I did not say that things had gone perfectly. 10 years of breakage caused by a few things. Number one lack of video card drivers for Linux that worked without X11 so causing a determination to make the impossible work.

  5. DrLoser says:

    Fair ’nuff, Robert.

    We will agree to disagree (or at least I will).

    I’ll voluntarily sign off and save you the time. But, as a valedictory comment, I’m still very impressed by your ability to tolerate other voices.

    It ain’t very common round Linux blogs. Be proud!

  6. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog the advantage of thin terminal tech.

    http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation#Hardware_Requirements It has got slightly heavier with age. Encryption kinda hurts.

    Pent 75 with 32 megs of ram was acceptable at one point. By 2008 this had grown to 533Mhz and 128Megs of ram.

    Windows 9x Der Balrog was not the most memory effective beast. NT has proper memory management and proper memory mapping from disc to address space. Windows 95 does not.

    NT 3.x and 4.x on those machine also would have beat 9x.

    –But then — once you had waited ages for the browser or word-processor to open — they shifted up a gear and suddenly were fast enough. And “fast enough” was really slow, I guess? Or did you spray some magical pixie dust on the processors? Or did you whip them, telling them: “You’re running Linux now. Faster! Faster!”?–

    Same effect he is talking about would happen comparing old NT machines to 9x machines. Better memory management code is all it is. Disc is slow so you need OS to be smart enough not to push to swap and read back. So effectively doubling disc operations.

    Have you not noticed that when NT opens applications it locks the .exe files. This is reduces down having to write to swap under memory pressure. 9x is not that smart since it does not have locking or Linux copy on write protection in the VFS.

    Loss 9x is well given title it swap thrashes it self to death.

  7. Dr Loser wrote, ” kudos to Pog for rescinding the ban.”

    Your recent performances suggest I was wrong and should make the ban permanent. I just wasted too much time digging your semi-reasonable posts out of the spam-bin.

  8. Der Balrog is muttering aimlessly. These things had 800 MB hard drives with very slow transfer rates. Once stuff was in RAM of course the machines worked more responsively.

    And, hey, if they forgot to send a helper along with the OS they sure as Hell didn’t send one with GNU/Linux because I was a newbie and had no problem turning them over to students to use unaided by me. Those machines just worked. With Lose ’95 one or another would crash every class. Not good for teenagers…

  9. DrLoser says:

    Microsoft goes this is cool lets have this.

    Let’s just ignore the blatant fact that Linux didn’t get there first. Let’s assume it did.

    Last time I looked, Linux is Free Open Source Software and Linux is Not Patent Encumbered.

    Last time I looked, taking somebody else’s idea and running with it is the very essence of the Linux ecosystem. cf Google on various levels and anybody who leverages WebKit.

    What, then, in this entirely imaginary universe, would be wrong with Microsoft purloining wibbles and rewriting the whole thing from scratch?

    Logical consistency isn’t really your strong point, is it, Hamster?

  10. DrLoser says:

    A few quotes from the magnificence that is Wikipedia on desktop compositing:

    One of the first systems with a compositing windowing system was the Commodore Amiga, released in 1985.

    Gee, Hamster, looks like Linux -stole- mimicked the idea from an earlier OS. Just as in every other case you care to mention.

    On March 24, 2001, Mac OS X v10.0 became the first mainstream operating system to feature software-based 3D compositing and effects, provided by its Quartz component.

    Gee, Hamster, looks like the damn thing went mainstream even before Linux came up with it. (Although Apple almost certainly stole it from Xerox Parc, the bastards.)

    Sun Microsystems developed an ambitious 3D graphics system to layer on top of its Swing toolkit, which was called Project Looking Glass. It was first demonstrated at the 2003 LinuxWorld Expo.

    Gee, Hamster, looks like another *nix got there first. As usual with Linux.

    The Desktop Window Manager in Project Longhorn was first presented to the 2003 Windows Hardware Engineering Conference demonstrating wobbly windows.

    Gee, Hamster, you’re right for once. Microsoft only managed to demonstrate wobbly windows 18 years after the concept was invented.

    Compositing under the X Window System required some redesign, which took place incrementally. Metacity 2.8.4 was released in August 2004. However, the first widely publicized compositing window manager for X was Xfwm, released in January 2005. On 26th January 2005, Compiz was released…

    … and Broken On Arrival.

    Gee, Hamster, looks like you’re full of shit as per usual.

  11. DrLoser says:

    There are maths differences in 2006 version of wobbly windows compare to Luminocity but related.

    You really are stupendously good at pulling irrelevant details out of a non-existent discussion relating to miserable little pieces of nowhere software that nobody really cares about, aren’t you, Hamster?

    Let me generalise on your behalf:

    There are maths differences for any version in any year between any two software packages, related or unrelated.

    It all boils down to Shannon’s theory. Any two software packages are two different streams of bits. Unless each stream of bits has zero entropy, in which case the streams of bits are identical, we can represent each stream of bits as a vector.

    These vectors will not be identical. They will differ, mathematically speaking.

    Tada!

    And now, back to your regular drivel.

  12. Der Balrog says:

    It was 2000 on Lose ’95, refurbished PC for schools right out of the box.

    I’ve always wondered about this, but is the antonym of “windows” indeed “lose”? Like in:

    “Hey, did you windows?” “No, we lost. Linux was on our team.”

    Computers for Schools shipped a bunch of PCs to each school in Nunavut (Arctic Canada) with a copy of Lose ’95 graciously licensed by M$…

    Well, in your case they obviously forgot to send someone competent along with the computers.

    Those machines which were barely usable with Lose ’95 were used with Caldera GNU/Linux very well until about 2008. They were durable HP machines. They had a Pentium Pro CPU ~120MHz and 72 MB RAM and ~800MB hard drive. They weren’t fast but once you got the browser or word-processor going they were fast enough.

    So these machines weren’t fast even with Caldera. Would that qualify as “barely usable” then? Or do you mean to imply that this worked like a manual gear shift? First the machines weren’t fast. But then — once you had waited ages for the browser or word-processor to open — they shifted up a gear and suddenly were fast enough. And “fast enough” was really slow, I guess? Or did you spray some magical pixie dust on the processors? Or did you whip them, telling them: “You’re running Linux now. Faster! Faster!”?

  13. DrLoser says:

    Welcome back, Clarence. And kudos to Pog for rescinding the ban.

    You’re actually quite a decent sort of cove, aren’t you, Robert? I don’t envy you some of your audience, though.

  14. oiaohm says:

    Luminocity prototype and Compiz and Quartz Compositor are blood relations. There are maths differences in 2006 version of wobbly windows compare to Luminocity but related. Luminocity calls them Jiggly Windows.

    DrLoser that is the problem just like Longhorn is vista.

    Luminocity Prototype did not work with X11 at all. In fact no X11 application work on it. 2002. Yet it run on Linux.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_%28graphics%29 This comes in 2004.

    Now notice something they are not called Wobbly Windows. Jiggly windows.

    Then first appearance on Linux using the name Wobbly Windows is Compiz 2006. But the maths is still close to Jiggly Windows Luminocity Prototype. Then KDE takes it from there.

    Name copied for ease of transition function and appearance no so much. Also Jiggly Windows for some reason gets people thinking bad things.

    In fact as stupid as it sound Dr Loser Wayland is more returning to the way Luminocity Prototype worked that become a very functional base to OS X current day environment in Quartz Compositor.

    The unwillingness to scrap X11 back then lead to Compiz taken the path it did. Wayland is now more following the Apple solution of Quartz Compositor of build a new ABI/API to exploit what video cards can do. Throw X11 into a sub window as legacy and move on with what works. Yes Apple did that 2003.

    Yes the Luminocity Prototype goes down two roads. Compiz and Quartz Compositor are both linked to the first. All the legacy crap around Compiz kinda ruins it.

    Wayland is really a return to common sense. Unfortunately Apple worked out the Common Sense first. Compositing + X11 is unworkable and always was unworkable. Clean stack was always the way to go.

    This is the problem. Linux is linked to the start of Compositing window manager.

    Reality I do have to accept the wrong path was chosen and it took way to long to work that out.

    DrLoser the reality you have no clue of the history to know that Wayland and Luminocity Prototype also share something in common.

    This compositing desktop idea starts with Luminocity prototype on Linux and OS X. Linux takes it down the X11 path then goes to lets start clean. OS X goes stuff X11 and lets start clean.

    Microsoft goes this is cool lets have this.

  15. “It was 2000 on Lose ’95”

    That is an example of just living in the past and such experience is not very pertinent to getting along in today’s world. What I have seen is that computers have become more and more useful and capable over the years.

    I got an IBM PC at the office in 1983 or so and an HP LaserJet printer shortly thereafter. 300DPI and 6 PPM! We thought we were our own print shop and went crazy with generating knock-your-socks-off proposals with embedded graphics images that we cleverly inserted into text streams by merging graphics file. The PC was close to $5K and the printer almost as much as I recall.

    As time rolls on, it just gets better and better. Sometimes it only gets different. I think Windows 8 is a mixture of better and different and I am starting to like both aspects.

    People use what they know about and it is clear even to the blind that Windows for computers and Apple’s stuff for phones and tablets is the mainstay of the market. You can write millions of lines of praise for Linux and you can produce as many scholarly analyses as you wish that demonstrate how Linux and “FLOSS” are equal to and even superior to Microsoft and other proprietary stuff, including Apple’s products, but they will not be read by very many people. “Whistling Dixie” that is called by some of us oldsters.

  16. DrLoser says:

    Those machines which were barely usable with Lose ’95 were used with Caldera GNU/Linux very well until about 2008.

    All you have here is anecdotal evidence, Robert, but I’m quite prepared to believe you. Therefore I am quite prepared to believe that Windows 95 (although you seem to throw XP in, every other time you tell this tale) was not fit for purpose in 2000 on refurbished crap hardware. And I am quite prepared to believe that Caldera was stonkingly good on the same refurbished crap hardware.

    In other words, I am prepared to be deeply impressed by Caldera in 2008 on refurbished crap hardware from the 1990s. That is indeed a Good Thing.

    On the other hand, it doesn’t really mean anything very much when you’re talking about brand-new $400 2013 hardware with Windows 7 or 8 installed, does it?

    I notice that you entirely failed to address Ted’s point that apps are practically incapable of taking down the OS on any NT-based platform. (Linux apps are still very capable of taking down X11, however.)

  17. Ted wrote, “What century was this? An app doesn’t take down the OS in any version of Windows NT.”

    It was 2000 on Lose ’95, refurbished PC for schools right out of the box. Computers for Schools shipped a bunch of PCs to each school in Nunavut (Arctic Canada) with a copy of Lose ’95 graciously licensed by M$…

    Those machines which were barely usable with Lose ’95 were used with Caldera GNU/Linux very well until about 2008. They were durable HP machines. They had a Pentium Pro CPU ~120MHz and 72 MB RAM and ~800MB hard drive. They weren’t fast but once you got the browser or word-processor going they were fast enough.

  18. DrLoser says:

    So both Microsoft and KDE are downstream from the inventors. For basically everything on the desktop.

    And you are downstream from a chimp, Hamster. In almost exactly the same way.

    For that matter, so am I.

    Who cares? The only difference between our two analogies is that you originally claimed that your chimp got there first. Which, as the Balrog pointed out, is a barefaced lie.

  19. DrLoser says:

    Compiz was the first compositing desktop. Ok did not work well with all X11 legacy crap around it.

    It wasn’t. But let’s say, for the sake of argument, that it was.

    In what way was it useful, given that “all X11 legacy crap around it” caused it to crap out all over the place?

    No, wait. Obviously this was just a transitional phase. In what way did Compiz spur innovation such as fixing “all X11 legacy crap?”

    No, wait. That’s probably almost impossible, given the fact that you’d have to rewrite almost all *nix software that depends upon “all X11 legacy crap.” Obviously Compiz was part of a well-planned upgrade to a far superior graphics stack called, for the sake of argument, Weyland.

    No, wait. Where’s Weyland? Indeed, what is Weyland? And how come we’re twenty-one years or some from the birth of Compiz (apparently it predated Linux itself, if you believe the people who claim Microsoft stole it), and there#’s still no Weyland?

    No, wait. Weyland is obviously dependent on moving from GNU/Linux to GNU/Hurd…

    It’s all beginning to make sense to me now.

  20. kozmcrae says:

    Trollrog’s “prose”:

    “Well, you are the leading expert on BS. Your digestive tract must be somehow connected to your mouth.”

    He hasn’t any real way to deal with the encroachment of open source into his beloved proprietary world so what’s left? Personal attacks. And pitiful ones at that. It’s the same old tactics, accuse the open source guys of your own transgressions.

    This is what the Trollrog does best. Degrade the discussion into an insult fest.

  21. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog I am not saying KDE has not copied stuff. The reality they have. Problem is some stuff they have copied Microsoft also has copied from. So there are similarities in places but there are key differences that cause both to split path.

    So both Microsoft and KDE are downstream from the inventors. For basically everything on the desktop.

    Its very hard to invent anything new on the desktop.

  22. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog

    –The Longhorn demo videos are still on YouTube, complete with wobbly windows and all.–

    Wobbly windows. Funny. That is no base. KDE did not take that from Windows.
    http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Wobbly 2006.
    KDE took that from a competitor in the X11 space already. In fact the looks and maths of KDE Wobbly windows match compiz not windows.

    Der Balrog dig out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass 2003 videos. Something you have to also accept it Microsoft did take particular desktop effects from looking glass. They appear in the Vista release but don’t appear in the 2003 videos.

    So Vista is not pure Microsoft.

    Other effects in KDE have direct like to Looking Glass like the many forms of disposing of windows.

    Sorry most things displayed in Longhorn 2003 video have more than 1 source.

    The first 3d effect is the 3d cube desktop changer under Linux.

    Now to really kick you in the teeth. Der Balrog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
    –The earliest widespread implementations using this technique were released for the Mac in Mac OS X 10.2, and for Linux in a Luminocity prototype.–

    First prototype of 3d desktop effects ever. Luminocity prototype 2002. 1 year before those longhorn videos.

    Der Balrog sorry you have your timeline wrong if you think wobbly windows come from Windows. Compiz gets it Wobbly windows from Luminocity Prototype.

    In fact Wobbly Windows is an Apple invention. Yes MS included in the 2003 videos to prove they could keep up with Apples earlier prototype demo.

    So pick another feature and try again Der Balrog. This time try to pick one really invented by Microsoft.

  23. Ted says:

    From their site on the employment page;

    “We need sales persons with technical experience, web designers and computer technicians.”

    About the only absolute fact on the site.

    Dell, Lenovo and HP must just be quaing in their boots before this behemoth of computer manufacture. Pogson, this is not an OEM – they’re barely a mom and pop operation. This is just another example of you grasping at straws and scraping the hole under the barrel deeper again.

    “For example, an application crash in KDE could not stop the OS. That was refreshing”

    What century was this? An app doesn’t take down the OS in any version of Windows NT.

    @Oiaohm;

    “Compiz was the first compositing desktop.”

    Compiz wasn’t even the first compositor for Linux.

    The AMIGA had a compositing desktop. Mac OSX 10.0 used Quartz in software in 2000 and hardware in 2002. Longhorn had hardware compositing in 2003, two years before Compiz, and also before Metacity and XFWM, both of which preceded Compiz.

  24. Der Balrog says:

    For example, an application crash in KDE could not stop the OS. That was refreshing.

    Which Windows are we talking about? Windows 95? Be that as it may, with your pathological hatred it seems clear that you are reconstructing things in your mind that never happened like you claim they have. It’s your being clueless that made Windows crash on you. It probably had to do with pirated software.

  25. Der Balrog wrote, “Nobody uses Linux in China. Ask the — gasp! — Chinese.”

    Red Flag joined Asianux.

    “According to IDC, Asianux has developed into the 3rd largest Linux vendor in 2007.”

    Distrowatch reports them as a server OS discontinued although the last release was in 2011. The “community” version, Qomo is alive and well. see ftp://ftp.redflag-linux.com/pub/qomo/iso/3.1/

    Linpus Linux, on the other hand is going strong. In 2007 they reportedly shipped on 5 million devices.

    Then there is Sunwah Linux. Someone in China is using GNU/Linux.

    In 2007 it is estimated that 12 million installations occurred. See here. That’s 100% growth over 2006.

  26. Der Balrog says:

    Thing is a lot of things were copied into to Vista from KDE.

    Stop spreading FUD, Peter. The Longhorn demo videos are still on YouTube, complete with wobbly windows and all. At that time KDE4 was non-existent as far as stuff goes which could be demonstrated in practice. Specs don’t count, unless you want to claim that Microsoft stole the specs from KDE4.

  27. I switched from that other OS to KDE and never saw any similarity. For example, an application crash in KDE could not stop the OS. That was refreshing.

  28. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog –Like KDE copied Windows?–
    Document what you call copied. Other than the start button location there is not copying in KDE direction. In fact scary enough the start button location appears in a really old Unix window manager/desktop first then the idea drop. CDE.

    Thing is a lot of things were copied into to Vista from KDE. Documented by KDE first. Implementation works after vista due to KDE developers presuming DRI2 drivers would come for Linux and building in no legacy support for DRI1. Closed source drivers on Linux a lot are still DRI1/DRI1-hibred hacks.

    The reality most cases of people claiming KDE copied Windows is in fact the reverse more often. Microsoft invention on the desktop is almost zero.

    Compiz was the first compositing desktop. Ok did not work well with all X11 legacy crap around it.

    Really the first Linux have on the desktop are impressive. The fact that most of those first did not work right due to X11 is really sad fact.

    This is the problem going forwards Der Balrog Linux is slowly freeing itself from the legacy crap.

    But I do hope items like http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/ to get brought forwards as wayland compositor. There are a lot of desktop experiments on Linux and Unix. Lot have been left behind some are still interesting. Particularly metisse due to the its idea that end users should be able to completely change the application interface without coding.

    Der Balrog Unix is what Linux was in competition with this lead the the stupidity of bringing on X11.

    Unix before Linux made the business world go around before Dos. The history of Linux is linked to Unix. Unix is Linux processor not dos.

    So where does Dos/Windows fit against Unix/Linux. Dos was Windows precessor.

    If you are going to compare current with precessor get it right.

  29. Der Balrog says:

    There are many suppliers of Linux computers, especially in Asia. With the government of the Peoples Republic of China officially endorsing RedFlag Linux there are more Linux users in China than there are people in North America.

    Nobody uses Linux in China. Ask the — gasp! — Chinese.

    I know, that’d be a novel concept for you, gathering empirical evidence instead of spouting BS. But your BS has to improve. It’s not yet on the same level as Kotz McRae’s.

    By the way, finally got around to asking your friends in the “major motion picture industry” where GIMP is used? No? Then I suggest to take something against the hallucinations.

  30. Der Balrog says:

    You sure didn’t fail to deliver Trollrog. That’s the biggest load of BS I’ve seen here in a long time.

    Well, you are the leading expert on BS. Your digestive tract must be somehow connected to your mouth.

  31. ram says:

    There are many suppliers of Linux computers, especially in Asia. With the government of the Peoples Republic of China officially endorsing RedFlag Linux there are more Linux users in China than there are people in North America.

    Don’t think China is important? Then just take a look in your shops and see where things are made. Don’t think manufacturing is important? Look at Detroit, past and present.

  32. DrLoser says:

    Sunday and Monday “by appointment only?”

  33. kozmcrae says:

    You sure didn’t fail to deliver Trollrog. That’s the biggest load of BS I’ve seen here in a long time.

  34. Der Balrog says:

    He can’t even be original, he has to copy others.

    Like KDE copied Windows?

    He is in a constant state of degrading others and their beliefs.

    That’s news to me, as I don’t spend most of the time here. I have a life.

    Linux and open source has been proven good for the economy and good for the World.

    So has DOS and Windows. Long before Linux reached a state where it was even only semi-usable.

    That fact cannot be denied by any sane person.

    Luckily, it is no fact.

    The Trollrog is not a sane person.

    Not very convincing, coming from you.

    There is just no other way to say it.

    Ah, there are always other ways. Only the German chancellor Angela Merkel claims that everything is “alternativlos” (without alternative).

  35. kozmcrae says:

    The Trollrog wrote:

    “Seems this blog here is the home of the real losers…”

    He can’t even be original, he has to copy others. He is in a constant state of degrading others and their beliefs. Linux and open source has been proven good for the economy and good for the World. That fact cannot be denied by any sane person. The Trollrog is not a sane person. There is just no other way to say it.

  36. Der Balrog wrote, “Seems this blog here is the home of the real losers. Those who justify their pathetic existence with the fight against the “big bad”, not realizing that they are in all other respects totally kaput. All of you are in dire need of intensive therapy.”

    Life is good. The cash-cow is drying up and with it M$’s tax on IT. Today I am visiting with family and having a great time. I might even get an opportunity to punch some paper at extended distances with a variety of firearms and Spring is on the horizon. Next week should provide some melting. I like that. The snow is too deep here.

    OTOH, what’s a fine IT-expert like Der Balrog doing hanging out with “losers”?

  37. Der Balrog says:

    The Loser can’t help himself. He degrades into his low-life state of being. It’s a way of life for the Microsoft trolls. It’s the face Microsoft presents to the Internet. It fits.

    Seems this blog here is the home of the real losers. Those who justify their pathetic existence with the fight against the “big bad”, not realizing that they are in all other respects totally kaput. All of you are in dire need of intensive therapy. But why waste taxpayer’s money? Simply locking all of you up in Pogson’s house and cutting the internet will do the trick just fine. But it’ll be hard to draw out oiaohm from the Australian bush. He kind of seems hikikomori-like.

  38. kozmcrae says:

    What’s top of yours? Self-flagellation? Brain-farts? Revelling in your own ignorance?

    The Loser can’t help himself. He degrades into his low-life state of being. It’s a way of life for the Microsoft trolls. It’s the face Microsoft presents to the Internet. It fits.

  39. Dr Loser says:

    You come here and say what you say for your own sake/entertainment/pleasure.

    Indeed, Koz. We’re fairly normal people. Entertainment and pleasure are high on our list of priorities.

    What’s top of yours? Self-flagellation? Brain-farts? Revelling in your own ignorance?

    You seem to be master of your own domain on all three.

    Anything else to add?

  40. kozmcrae says:

    The Microsoft trolls knee-jerk into self induced ignorance-FUD mode. Who do you think you’re fooling? You are just stroking yourselves. That’s all. You come here and say what you say for your own sake/entertainment/pleasure.

    The reality is that you are just pissing into the wind.

  41. oiaohm says:

    MK debian is always conservative.
    http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/
    But different ones of debian are playing with Mobile Phone.

    So the world goes mobile so will Debian. Just it most likely going to be last.

    Mostly Debian will wait until it makes the most sense.

    Arm64 is when it makes the most sense. Reason Arm64 you can make 1 image for many different phones and query the CPU what platform you are sitting in.

    Arm32 you just better know or be told the correct thing or you might brick it.

  42. eug says:

    (…)
    Panic invaded my brain and the Windows mentality took over; in a second, I was trasported to a day four years ago, when virus infections were as dreadful as expected, and all my neurons went in zombie mode to format and reinstall the system.
    (…)

    http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com.br/2013/03/there-are-days-in-which-we-should-avoid.html

  43. DrLoser says:

    Sunday and Monday “by appointment only?”

    Good lord, Robert. Rather appropriately with a company based in Niagara, you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, aren’t you?

    There’s a two-man-and-a-dog company called Zodiac Computers, half a mile down the road from me in Birmingham. They’ll repurpose a machine or hand-build one for you with any flavour of Linux on it you want, at a competitive price.

    And best of all, they’re open seven days a week!

    Most of their sales are still Windows, though. It’s a rotten world we live in.

    But I recommend Zodiac computers. It’s the right way to do IT!

  44. DrLoser says:

    No party instantly ceases to be a Monopoly even with government intervention.

    Rubbish, Hamster. A company either holds a monopoly or it doesn’t. This a black and white thing.

    Government intervention has nothing to do with it. The minute that another company enters a market with a viable alternative (let us in this case posit Google, either with Android or with Chrome), there is no longer a monopoly.

    You may think the stem “mono” here has something to do with de Icaza, Hamster. (Actually, you probably don’t, but it was a joke worth making.) As Robert with his lexicographical expertise can attest, it is in fact from the Greek word for “one.”

    It’s not a floating-point “one.” You cannot round it down from two decimal places. It’s the Canonical One.

    Although for obvious reasons it will never apply to Canonical. 😉

  45. bw says:

    “Calendar and Time Management has never been easier”

    The irony of displaying a blank schedule showing nothing to do has apparently escaped their notice!

  46. MK says:

    The world goes mobile, and Debian stays with the big desktop computers. Call it innovation, I guess.

  47. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog its still go a long way to go to repair the damage. No party instantly ceases to be a Monopoly even with government intervention.

  48. Der Balrog says:

    Wasn’t Microsoft supposed to have a “monopoly”? Whatever happened to that?

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