Working For Yourself Or Being Enslaved By M$

Fire up LibreOffice4.0 and it works for you, doing classical word-processing. There’s no need to fight with it to do what you want. Compare that with M$’s office suite of late…
“I’ve had trouble getting the setting to work. In theory at least, you can click on File, Options, Save, and under Save Presentations check the box marked Don’t Show the Backstage When Opening or Saving Files. Restart all of your Office apps. Does it work for you?
see 12 enraging Office 2013 flaws — and how to fix them – Network World.

Please, give Free Software a trial. You owe it to yourself to enjoy a cooperative product of the world designed to work for you and not against you. You can also get a complete operating system and utilities at Debian. Compare M$’s greed with the policy at Debian:
“We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments.” Refreshing.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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15 Responses to Working For Yourself Or Being Enslaved By M$

  1. dougman says:

    Many more nails in the M$ Office coffin:

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/02/13/2149228/retail-copies-of-office-2013-are-tied-to-a-single-computer-forever

    and

    http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Microsoft-Office-and-the-Big-Subscription-Bet-77226.html

    and

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414803,00.asp

    and

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/microsoft-pushes-software-subscriptions-on-home-users-whether-they-like-it-or-not/

    Re: Non-commercial entities can concentrate on what really matters.

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/libreoffice-goes-for-cleaner-and-leaner-code-base-with-major-update/

    Personally, I find the random changes in Microsoft Office to be annoying. As far as I am concerned, the company should add new features and improve the product rather than endlessly fiddle with the interface.

    But the real push here will be the rental idea, whereby users can pay a subscription fee and get the product on an as-needed basis. This is going to take a while to shake out because, except for temporary usage, there is no real reason anyone would want to subscribe to the suite.

  2. oiaohm says:

    bw you did not note the date did of the linked post mentioning starter going by by. “13 Feb 2013 at 23:32”

    MS Office 2010 OPK disks produced in and after Jan/Feb 2013 don’t have MS Office starter.

    So of course a machine got in Aug 2012 still has it. Please note my words Will Disappear. I did not say had disappeared. This means you are not going to have new machines with it. So planing what to do when that day comes.

    bw
    –I don’t think that Microsoft would really care since they didn’t get any money for the Starter Edition.–
    In fact Microsoft got some money from Starter. Starter has that mandatory window displaying advertisement so is advertisement ware and MS got the income from that. MS was hoping for a lot more people to pay for upgrades or would get enough click through to justify it. Neither happened.

    Return on investment with MS Office starter was not great but there was some. So didn’t get any money is incorrect. Correct is did not get enough money to justify keeping on making.

    bw
    –The LibreOffice doesn’t look like it is up to the task in the sort of office environment that has come to use Microsoft’s stuff. It can’t do the things that Outlook is used for and it can’t provide the program interfaces needed for the .NET programs that big businesses have created for internal admin tasks.–

    One you did not read. Outlook replacement is thunderbird to LibreOffice. The calander and contacts inside thunderbird are accessible to someone using Libreoffice. This is called do not reinvent the wheel.

    Libreoffice does have a set of .Net programming interfaces. Its in the Libreoffice SDK.
    http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/install.html
    .net 1.0 or higher it works with. Even better its compatibility is wild.

    Due to UNO interface of OpenOffice/Libreoffice being very well defined. You can code your programs intelligently. If you have been using documented functions from way back when the old .net UNO interface Openoffice 1.0 works perfectly with current day Libreoffice. So year 2000 applications right up to today work basically perfectly.

    With MS office you have had to change your interface 4 times so far or run old versions of Office so your internal Office package work.

    Yes due to UNO you can ask what version program is on the other end without having a system splat. Yes fun with MS Office 2003 to MS Office 2007. Ask if MS Office 2003 is MS Office 2007 have your program die.

    bw so both of the arguments against Libreoffice are in fact bogus.

    It is possible to make a translate from MS Office .net calls to Libreoffice UNO calls by .net.
    http://api.libreoffice.org/examples/CLI/VB.NET/WriterDemo/WriterDemo.vb Nice little vb example.

    OLE interface still works as well. Reason for me using python and java is so I can move cross platform with Libreoffice simply.

    .Net you run into horrid cases that you have to rebuild under mono to work under Linux just to be wrong you have not changed code one bit. Result is 2 binaries one that works under MS .net and one that works under mono. At worst mono getting a MS .net binary crashes. At worst MS .net get a mono binary is the complete system crashes. Once you have made the mono binary you have to be very careful with it. Does not help they look basically identical.

    Remember binding to Libreoffice not MS Office means you can bundle everything you need.

  3. Der Balrog says:

    Try Googling it yourself instead using a cheap shill debate tactic by asking someone else to waste their personal time satisfying you.

    Dumb and Dumber are out to play. Nice.

    Let me break it down for you: “Non-commercial entities can concentrate on what really matters” were the great dougman’s words, not mine. He’s apparently not able to clarify what that means. In his own frackin’ words. Always a clear sign that you’re just spouting words, but have no clue. And it’s not even about LibreOffice, it’s a general statement. So pointing me to the site of the Document Foundation amounts to exactly nothing.

    And I’d still like to know “what really matters”. Any ideas?

  4. bw says:

    “Microsoft Office Starter– Will disappear”

    It is a fact that I bought my last Dell back in August, 2012, but the Starter version was still included. Mox nix anyway, I think. The starter version was free and didn’t do much, so maybe Dell should include the LibreOffice product for free. It actually does more, so that should be OK with their customers. I don’t think that Microsoft would really care since they didn’t get any money for the Starter Edition. Nothing much changes with that.

    “The whole world needs office software and can produce its own for far less than M$’s stuff costs”

    The LibreOffice doesn’t look like it is up to the task in the sort of office environment that has come to use Microsoft’s stuff. It can’t do the things that Outlook is used for and it can’t provide the program interfaces needed for the .NET programs that big businesses have created for internal admin tasks. That makes it pretty useless for anyone who has to do those sort of things.

  5. lpbbear says:

    “I asked you. Apparently you don’t know yourself.”

    One “assumes” you have at least some small amount of brain power. Try Googling it yourself instead using a cheap shill debate tactic by asking someone else to waste their personal time satisfying you.

  6. Der Balrog says:

    Call The Document Foundation if you’d like to know.

    I asked you. Apparently you don’t know yourself.

  7. There’s news that the retail version will die with the PC on which it gets installed… Yuck!

  8. oiaohm says:

    bw –Microsoft Office Starter– Will disappear.
    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/375433/microsoft-stops-shipping-office-starter-with-new-pcs

    MS Office 2013 does not have a starter version. MS Office 2010 OPK disks produced after a particular date don’t have starter either. Advertising idea did not work.

    bw libreoffice 4.0 connects to share-point by cmis.
    http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11984/sharepoint-in-libreoffice-4

    It also connects to every other replacement to sharepoint by cmis. CMIS is the open standard todo what sharepoint does.

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff934619.aspx
    Sharepoint 2010 on has the option of allowing cmis clients. No conversion wrapper has appeared yet.

    http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ is what you put between exchange and everything other than outlook including android phones in future. So fairly much if you are going to remain using exchange you will have to put this in anyhow. Android and devices are going to stop talking MS only exchange protocols.

    Libreoffice email is thunderbird. Libreoffice 4.0 and thunderbird are both themeable by mozilla personas to make them look very much the same.

    bw I would say no one has tried recently. It would be possible to set a machine with thunderbird davmail and libreoffice 4.0 todo everything you describe.

    Also if you are using outlook you don’t need exchange any more. http://www.openchange.org/ + Samba4 that are now both production allow you to use one of the many different groupware replacement without outlook knowing the difference. SOGo is currently the best and it does not have Cal licensing.

    bw basically your comments are 12 months out of date you have missed what have been added and what you will be forced todo anyhow.

    Yes this is stuff I warned that was coming and quite a few laughed at me.

  9. dougman says:

    Call The Document Foundation if you’d like to know.

    http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/

  10. bw wrote of LIbreOffice, “It makes all that effort to write such a big program somewhat of a waste of time.”

    Nonsense. The whole world needs office software and can produce its own for far less than M$’s stuff costs. The contributors to LibreOffice include many employees of businesses that see LibreOffice as saving them money. There is no single organization making the whole effort. Everyone gets the benefit of everyone’s effort. That’s the right way to do IT. SUN bought StarOffice for less than one round of PCs+M$’s office suite. If a single corporation gets that much leverage from the “effort” imagine how much greater the leverage for most of us these days when it is FLOSS.

  11. Der Balrog says:

    Non-commercial entities can concentrate on what really matters.

    Care to share with us what that is?

  12. dougman says:

    Windows = Annoyances

    So your calling computer users stupid, as they do not know how to change a setting integrated into their software?

    Fake M$ Office issues? Apparently you have “issues” with someone point about the “flawed” issues of M$ products.

    http://www.zdnet.com/some-users-reporting-microsoft-office-365-access-issues-7000010689/

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2243476/microsoft-issues-57-critical-patches-for-february-patch-tuesday

    For my eyes LibreOffice is beautiful. Commercial companies have to invent ribbons and things to justify their investment & sales cycles.

    Non-commercial entities can concentrate on what really matters.

  13. Der Balrog says:

    Pogson complains about a feature in Office you can deactivate, selling it as an annoyance because one guy is too stupid to deactivate it. Right. I use LibreOffice/OpenOffice myself, but these posts of outrage over “fake” issues in Microsoft’s Office make you even less credible than you were to begin with, Pogson.

    And it’s amazing that you’re amazed that LibreOffice works. Did you expect otherwise? It already worked when it still was StarOffice. That means FLOSS hasn’t managed to cock it up. Wait … that is amazing.

  14. bw says:

    I clicked on that and got the LibreOffice 4.0 to install on my Windows 8 laptop in about 5 minutes. No problems at all, just like a regular Windows application, which it is after all is said and done. It seems to work just fine, too.

    Of course it seems that all new Windows computers come with the Microsoft Office Starter for free anyway, there isn’t much that most people would want to do at home that isn’t already on a Windows computer.

    So how about the office? Can you really get by without Microsoft Office? Apparently you cannot do that at our place since all of our interoffice mail is on Exchange and meeting schedules and organization are also using the Outlook part of Office. Also, we have a lot of internal procedure stuff that uses programs that need pieces of Office that are integrated into our own systems, such as getting expenses filed after a trip to reconcile the company Amex card. There are a lot of documents and spread sheets that require SharePoint, too, that are part of what we have to do for our jobs.

    I think that is the trouble with a lot of these free programs. They don’t cover the real complex cases for people who spend a lot of money on things like Microsoft Office or else they do a great job, such as word processing for someone writing a book, that only a very few individuals actually have a need to do. It makes all that effort to write such a big program somewhat of a waste of time.

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