Google – ODF?

“in a nutshell you are forced to use Microsoft’s OOXML formats if you are a Google user.”

see Why Is Google Not Supporting The Open Document Formats? – Muktware.

I use ODF and Google but I don’t use Android/Linux or Google’s Docs very much so I had not noticed this. It’s clear that Google is aiming at the huge repository of users of M$’s office suite rather than GNU/Linux or FLOSS users…

That’s their choice and I expect it will change sooner or later as FLOSS and GNU/Linux keeps growing. A large number of XP users may migrate to Chrome OS but they may also migrate to GNU/Linux. The problem will be solved promptly in the next year or so.

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22 Responses to Google – ODF?

  1. oiaohm says:

    oldman
    –Libre office for android exists where?–
    This is the question you asked.

    Now if you wanted production please state that in future or at least don’t follow it with this. Because that question I would have said exists in alpha and not provided link.

    –Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version–

    Now you asked directly here to see the alpha version. There are 2 alpha versions one for x86 and one for arm and there are video for both oldman.

    You have not answered the question I asked. Yes I missed the ? mark.

    Exactly what alpha do you want(to be shown)? Android x86 or Android arm.

    Meeks blog contains videos of x86 and arm libreoffice. Different entries.

    So oldman you did not provide enough information for me to answer your request. Then you get upset.

    oldman
    –You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere – it doesn’t. Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.–
    This is moving the goal posts. You asked for alpha so I showed you alpha. You asked to see the alpha now you are saying it don’t exist to end users.

    You asked to see something in particular. Now that I go to give it to you with all the warning not to use it in production.

    oldman really with some of the idiots that travel the Internet do you think I could miss the warning. Don’t include warning we will have idiots. We both know this.

    –Oldman you don’t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.–

    This is because I am mostly questioning why you are asking to see alpha’s in the first place. It was not making any sense from my point of view due to how simple they are to find. Common place for most projects in the daily builds list if stage 2 alphas exist.

    If stage 2 alphas did not exist I could understand you asking oldman where are the alpha. There is a stage 3 alpha where they are up on general download. Stage 3 normally comes when the alpha is getting the the point that a beta could be possible soon due to how feature complete the alpha is.

  2. oldman wrote, “BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.”

    That guy is a smart cookie and he will have all the help he wants if he needs it. LibreOffice is swarming with developers looking to make things happen. When OpenOffice.org considered a 64-bit port, they could only round up a few developers. LibreOffice has many more developers now than OpenOffice.org ever did.

    Recent news:

    • They are working on cross-compiling for Android:“Cross-compiling code

      Other major improvements in 3.6 are the ability to do cross-compiles of LibreOffice – Tor Lillqvist did a lot of work here, initially focused on ensuring that the MingW cross-compile for Windows from Linux worked well. This can be run on very fast hardware as a tinderbox to ensure that master remains buildable always. That work has expanded into cross-compilation to Android and iOS both of which continue to develop and improve in master. At the same time Eilidh McAdam for Lanedo has done some great work at cross-compiling .msi files from Linux, re-using wine code – to improve that install flow and move us towards fully Free Software tooling.”

    • The Android/Intel viewer is “slick”, just one summer’s work.
    • Meeks has a team working on Android.
  3. M$’s office suite on ARM. You can already run whole distros of GNU/Linux on ARM. You still cannot buy WARM yet. So, it doesn’t exist.

  4. oldman says:

    LibreOffice has it all over M$’s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware. which code are you speaking of Pog?

  5. oldman says:

    There’s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user.

    Are you sure Pog? I understand that there is only one developer doing the port (apparently the same one who ported gimp to windows).

    BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.

  6. oldman, moving the goal-posts, wrote, “Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.”

    There’s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user. Between the web-interface and the Android port, LibreOffice has it all over M$’s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware.

  7. oldman says:

    You asked exists where Android Libreoffice. Exactly what alpha do you want. Android x86 or Android arm. They are both there. Choose you poison. Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.

    Gee no shit hamster… However, considering that Alpha code is by definition both unstable and more often than not feature incomplete and fit only for the developer team, it effectively doesnt exist.

    You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere – it doesn’t. Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.

  8. oiaohm says:

    oldman
    –Translation: you can root you tablet voiding your support warranty and the run a linux distribution the run a recompiled version of of the non touch enabled version in a smart phone equipped with a dockiing station that allows a keyboard mouse and monitor to be attached.–

    Oldman who is a idiot about what you do with android. linux on android is in the standard google store. So Ubuntu inside android does not void and there are a few devices like Nexus where installing third parties firmwares is not warranty void. Developer editions you are expected to install third party firmware so warnity is not linked to firmware. They are also smart and don’t have e-fuses in those or means to override thermal fail safe or anything else that basically allows a stuffed up firmware todo hardware damage.

    Just to be nasty X11 is touch aware. Funny enough so OpenOffice was used on tablets long ago.

    http://www.whioam.com/software-update-for-wetab-delivers-multi-touch-support.html Yes been there for a while.

    Yet libreoffice supports multi touch gestures. Since oldman most likely never used it on a tablet would not know this.

    oldman
    –Libre office for android exists where?

    Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version – URL please.–
    http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
    You asked exists where Android Libreoffice. Exactly what alpha do you want. Android x86 or Android arm. They are both there. Choose you poison. Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.

    As with all libreoffice Alpha’s when it is in the daily builds when its second form alpha. Meaning it builds dependable enough not to be wasting a build servers cpu time. First form alpha does not have build server because too many bugs exist that need developer to fix to even get a binary.

    Oldman you don’t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.

  9. oldman says:

    Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?

    Yep even write actually running code. Do you?

  10. dougman says:

    Re: Show me the running code

    Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?

  11. oldman says:

    LibreOffice, the web application, may appear first.

    Irrelevant as usual, its not running on android.

  12. oldman wrote, “Libre office for android exists where?

    Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version – URL please.”

    LibreOffice, the web application, may appear first.

    You can see a demo here. That’s a year old so the project should be available later this year.” LibreOffice Online Prototype: you can watch a demo video at the following address: http://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2011-10-10-lool-demo.webm. LibreOffice Online is based on GTK+ framework and HTML5′s canvas, and has been developed by SUSE’s Michael Meeks, built on GTK+ broadway from RedHat’s Alex Laarson.”

    The Broadway web interface to GTK+3 is doing well…
    see http://youtu.be/AO-qca9ddqg

  13. oldman says:

    By using oldman’s non-sequitur, Windows 8 doesn’t exist till Oct 26th???

    Windows 8 exists in a release candidate. I am running the code as are you. Presume ably you understand that Non technical end users generally should not go near nor should be involved in alpha code.

    Libre office for android exists where?

    Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version – URL please.

    Meanwhile in the real world…

    You can boot LibreOffice, from Ubuntu for Android.

    Translation: you can root you tablet voiding your support warranty and the run a linux distribution the run a recompiled version of of the non touch enabled version in a smart phone equipped with a dockiing station that allows a keyboard mouse and monitor to be attached.

    Yes Mr. D we are going to see this one being supported by all smart phone manufacturers in the main stream any day now.

    Meanwhile the Android native version of LibTardOffice
    is still quite a ways away.

  14. dougman says:

    Meanwhile in the real world…

    You can boot LibreOffice, from Ubuntu for Android.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY

  15. dougman says:

    By using oldman’s non-sequitur, Windows 8 doesn’t exist till Oct 26th???

    LOL….

    So what was M$ doing all that time, if it did not ship into production? Playing Galaga??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Fy6AUMv8E

  16. oldman says:

    LibreOffice Android is in Alpha now, I suspect that a beta will become available next year. Long way out IS 14-15 months in software terms.

    then come back when it ships. If it isnt shipping in production, it does not exist.

  17. dougman says:

    LibreOffice Android is in Alpha now, I suspect that a beta will become available next year. Long way out IS 14-15 months in software terms.

  18. oiaohm says:

    Chris Weig really not with what google is upto.

    Google is doing very strict to document OOXML. The thing with the most close to document OOXML is Libreoffice. So MS Windows + MS Office is going to have issues.

    Chris Weig the google do no evil does not mean they cannot make people doing evil have hell.

  19. Chris Weig says:

    A large number of XP users may migrate to Chrome OS but they may also migrate to GNU/Linux. The problem will be solved promptly in the next year or so.

    Yes, the problem will be solved when they migrate to a new Windows version. Chrome OS?! You could as well migrate to Amiga OS.

  20. oiaohm says:

    Please note Google docs have dropped Microsoft .doc support.

    QuickOffice never supported ODF. Also just to be fun google docs ooxml does not open in old versions of MS Office dependably all the time either.

    There is a OpenOffice Document Reader for android. This digs people on android devices out of a lot of holes.

    So what google is up to is part of do no evil. By making a volume of ooxml documents exist to standard. MS Office has to obey the standard they created.

    Old saying keep you friend close and you enemies closer.

  21. oldman says:

    LibreOffice for Android will be available sometime next year. 🙂

    and I quote…

    “A complete LibreOffice editor for Android is still a long way out, but a document viewer based on the office suite’s rendering engine is on the way. Ian Billet, a Google Summer of Code student, is building the Java-based document viewer with conventional Android user interface widgets.”

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/libreoffice-for-android-advances-document-viewer-is-on-the-way/

  22. dougman says:

    LibreOffice for Android will be available sometime next year. 🙂

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