Report on LiMux to Munich City Council 2012-03-21

I don’t read German but via Google Translate I can see things went reasonably well and are predicted to continue

see Controlling report LiMux
The period 2010 to 2012

preliminary as of 03.23.2012 (with estimates of internal staff costs)

project Budget
TOTAL (as of 31.12.2011) Year 2011 disc
Year 2011 disc


total center
share in 2011
consumption 2011 to
share consumption
to plan 2011
other periods services
License costs 66.913€ 71.151€ 106% 1.693€ 5.931€ 350%
application Migration 900.000€ 683.630€ 76% 437.500€ 242.409€ 55% 16.897€
Conversion Forms / Macros 3.961.382€ 3.954.529€ 100% 901.250€ 873.846€ 97% 46.194€
Training costs (external) 2.301.189€ 1.675.047€ 73% 197.338€ 75.647€ 38%
External personnel costs 5.860.072€ 3.195.325€ 55% 1.035.500€ 1.052.536€ 102% 20.811€
Cost of the project management 120.000€ 77.030€ 64% 15.000€ 8.109€ 54%
investment costs 79.407€ 40.045€ 50% 39.362 € 0%
optimizing costs 2.615.529€ 2.077.638€ 79% 1.595.000€ 1.062.158€ 67% 108.122€
Total (without spending
internal staff costs)
11.774.395€ 15.904.492€ 74% 3.320.637€ 4.222.643€ 79% 192.024€
Internal personnel costs
2.200.000 € 2.200.000 100%
Internal personnel costs
2.803.413€ 581.800€ 21% 706.793 € 540.000 € 76%
22,251 training days days 2232 days
total internal (Staff costs)
2.781.800€ 5.003.413€ 56% 540.000€ 706.793€ 76%
TOTAL: 20.907.905€ 14.556.195€ 70% 3.860.637€ 4.929.436 € 78% 192.024€

They still have to spend a few million but it looks as though the budget will be balanced:
“Conclusion – Although the LiMux migration of the City takes very long and straight in the early years and progress was very slow, it can now already be considered a success, because with over 10,000 clients migrated base (as of March 2012), a largely completed office migration and other significant results as the software Wollmux or much improved or newly introduced processes such request, change and Test Management has achieved a great deal. And, in compliance, the cost budget.”

UPDATE Embedded in the PDF, I found this:
“creator …
Wolfgang M. Bartsch”

According to Linkdin:
“Wolfgang M. Bartsch’s Overview

Managing Consultant at IABG mbH
Partner at GlobalFinance Beratungs AG
Co-Founder at Credigy
Manager Technical Operations and Networks at AOL /CompuServe”

I think that speaks to his credentials.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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5 Responses to Report on LiMux to Munich City Council 2012-03-21

  1. faiz says:

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  2. oiaohm says:

    –LiMux works. And it came in much cheaper than a Microsoft-based solution would have. Nobody can deny that today.–
    You will still get MS trolls attempting.

    Munich proved a slow migration could come in under budget.

    –That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any risks (lack of internal personnel being one of them)–

    Slow migration over 10+ years like Munich did you have the time to train or higher what ever staff you need. So there is no lack of internal personal problem to a Munich style migration.

    Risks from the Munich model of budget blow outs is almost zero. Biggest risk is FUD that the cost has to of blown out due to the process taking so long.

    So every issue that you can raise the Munich model handles for larger businesses.

    Fast/short time frame migrations you run into brick walls with serous risks to budgets.

  3. Medatanai wrote, “That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any risks (lack of internal personnel being one of them), “

    That risk is pretty low considering they can drop to thin clients any time and cut personnel needed to run the system… They have IT clusters at 50 locations. There’s a lot of fat in their system still. The design was not to minimize cost but dependence on M$ and “partners”. The reduction in cost is just a side-benefit. Typically, folks who use thin clients can have 3 to 5 times fewer IT staff. They have nearly 1K IT-staff at the moment for 30K employees. They could cut that to a few per building and a cluster at some data-centre by relying more on the network. I think 150 site-staff and 30 at the heart of IT could do the job. They have reduced the number of applications greatly. They could also reduce staff. I expect that will come eventually.

    This is not to say that staff-reductions are an inevitable result of converting to FLOSS. They could also greatly increase services IT provides which would balance that. They have made the system more efficient for hardware and software. They could do it for staffing as well. Some additional services they might add would be information kiosks for citizens all over the place, more/bigger data-centres for additional data-bases, more automation of urban functions, perhaps even becoming an ISP of some sort…

    Further, the training they do increases supply of staff and the increase in utilization by schools and ordinary citizens means supply is increasing externally. If they pay IBM, RedHat or Suse for support there will be no shortage at all…

  4. Medatanai says:

    Robert, read this:

    Someone from the CSU — Christian Social Union, Bavaria’s conservative party who has governed Bavaria since 1946 and whose great leader Franz-Josef Strauß once claimed that “right of the CSU there’s only the wall” — asked the Mayor, Christian Ude (from the Social Democratic Party), if it weren’t a good idea to return to Microsoft, based on a lot of hearsay what seemingly is wrong with Linux/LiMux. The Mayor’s response can be aptly described as “You don’t know jack”, which he expresses more politely, of course.

    LiMux works. And it came in much cheaper than a Microsoft-based solution would have. Nobody can deny that today. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any risks (lack of internal personnel being one of them), but returning to Microsoft due to some made-up FUD is definitely not one of them. This would be a Treppenwitz.

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