Slackware 14

Slackware 14 has been released and www.slackware.com is hammered. Try mirrors instead.

The .iso is 2.2gB.

Slackware was one of my early distros. It has very simple package-management but it works.

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About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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25 Responses to Slackware 14

  1. Mongrol says:

    “Did IBM really have the possibility todo a moral choice.”

    They did.

    Don’t supply the hardware, don’t do the work, don’t take the money.

    ” I don’t want bias reporting as your idea is based on.”

    This from a man who makes stuff up to support his argument.

  2. oiaohm says:

    oldman you are the one who is placing meaning to the deed outside what the law allows.

    –The 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court– Also would let IBM off. The book about what IBM did does not go into if IBM could do any different.

    I have asked you to answer that question. If you were in the position of IBM in German at the time when they did the deed you are talking about is there anything they could do to prevent it.

    Its the basic rule of a emergency assistance. Don’t place yourself in harms way because then you will not be alive to help anyone.

    oldman the law is very clear in this point when it comes to genocide.

    –For some reason lost in the sands of time–
    The reason is not lost in the sands of time. The reason is written in Nuremberg Principle IV. Plain english.

    –provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him–

    This is the questions to prove IBM guilty you have to answer. Did IBM really have the possibility todo a moral choice.

    Oldman its the letter of the law you are not answering. You are the one who thinks they are an expert on this topic. The deed alone does not make IBM guilty. Its the difference between self defence and murder both could have killed a person both could basically the same looking deed by photos of the crime.

    The book does not go into what IBM could have done differently. Remember that is the difference between a self defence action and murder. A murder the person was not forced they choose todo it.

    Documentation from that time clearly shows IBM was forced due to what was done to other companies in Germany who resisted.

    Oldman I want the truth of the deed. I want all facts on table. I don’t want bias reporting as your idea is based on.

  3. oldman says:

    “The question is could the person do any different. If not they are not guilty.”

    You are not an authority on the Hamster, and frankly I am disgusted by not all that surprised by your googling gyrations to try to explain away a done deed.

    For some reason lost in the sands of time, IBM was let off the hook and Tom Watson got to miss his date in front of a Nuremberg firing squad. That does however change nothing.

    IBM did the deed, and will remain forever stained by it period

    Stop trying to apologize and explain away this sir.

  4. oiaohm says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles#Principle_IV
    bob this still nuked Oldman arguement to kingdom come same with your argument that following order is not a defence in any form. The question is could the person do any different. If not they are not guilty.

    Even the newer –The 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court– Also sees IBM get out. IBM was in location where they had to obey the government. bob I forgot that a few were ruled not guilty after they were already dead with Nuremberg. Little late because the evidence of taking moral choices turned up later.

  5. Chris Weig says:

    The original post was a simple announcement about the release of Slackware 14. Nothing more.

    Indeed. That’s not Distrowatch. We expect meaningful articles. So it’s quite alright to go off-topic in the comments to this article.

    Don’t be sad, soon it’s time for your winter sleep.

  6. bob says:

    “SS Major Richard Baer the last one is the one I was referring to. ”

    No, Ohio Ham, Baer got in way to late to have had a hand in the design implementation. That would have been taken care of under Rudolf Höß.

    Further, as has also been mentioned, Baer died in custody pre-trial. He was never tried, he was neither convicted, nor acquitted. Your fiction that he got off scott free, at no point interects with reality.

    Let me reiterate one last time Höß and Liebehenschel were the two Auschwitz commandants who actually faced trial. Baer is entirely irrelevant to what you’re describing.

    -K

  7. lpbbear says:

    The original post was a simple announcement about the release of Slackware 14. Nothing more.

    Yet the assorted fruitcakes, lunatics, and wackos that comprise the Cult Of Microsoft use that as an excuse to go off on an off topic troll stroll of IBM, Nazi Germany and what ever else their crazy minds can come up with.

    On most blogs and forums all of that would have been considered “off topic” and all such posts would have been removed.

    Pog is far….FAR too kind. Pretty much every post besides his should have been dumped including my responses to the lunatics because its all off topic.

  8. Adam King says:

    Why else be so invested in defending someone else’s product unless you get paid for it?

  9. Chris Weig says:

    Remember that these aren’t just random M$ zombies who don’t know any better. These are paid M$ $hills who’s livelyhood depends on their slinging fud and suppressing freedom wherever possible.

    Yes, Microsoft pays me well. And I suppress freedom everywhere I go. Just yesterday I told my son and daughter that, no, we couldn’t see the penguins in the zoo, because they are a symbol of resistance.

    Oh, I’m so evil! Hire me for your next movie, Joss Whedon!

  10. Adam King says:

    “Welcome to Robert Pogson’s blog. The Holocaust descussion blog. Good job Cult of Microsoft.”

    Remember that these aren’t just random M$ zombies who don’t know any better. These are paid M$ $hills who’s livelyhood depends on their slinging fud and suppressing freedom wherever possible.

  11. Chris Weig says:

    Welcome to Robert Pogson’s blog. The Holocaust descussion blog. Good job Cult of Microsoft.

    It was you who started it with your “Microsoft commits crimes against humanity” brainfart.

    Don’t shun the responsibility, kozmcrae.

    But do continue to dance like a good little troll.

  12. kozmcrae says:

    Welcome to Robert Pogson’s blog. The Holocaust descussion blog. Good job Cult of Microsoft.

  13. oiaohm says:

    Mongrol
    –‘Befehl ist befehl’– yes is rejected. Problem is this is not the one to get off.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles#Principle_IV
    –“The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”–
    Richard Bear was documented as taking moral choices his orders allowed. The other two were not. In fact the other two were documented exceeding their orders.

    Other war criminals of that time frame were in fact judged and prosecuted even after their death. Death was not reason to stop trial. No evidence of wrong doing was reason. Nuremberg cases were determined to dis honour those who had done wrong.

    Yes its Principle IV Oldman is not proving. That IBM had some other moral choice they could have made.

    Without answering if IBM breached Principle IV. Oldman has nothing.

    Proven IBM guilt is far harder than finding just a set of actions. You have to prove they had the option not to do them.

    That is the complete problem with the book documenting IBM wrong doing it does not address the Nuremberg Principles.

  14. That Exploit Guy says:

    ‘I’m sure the orderlies can answer any other stupid….errr…excuse me for my political incorrectness and insensitivity to your condition….uhh “insightful” questions you feel the need to ask.’

    You know what’s ‘insightful’? Your insinuation that anyone asking for justice for the victims of genocide that IBM has shamelessly profited from is mentally unsound. Though it does not seem to help much in shedding light on basic human decency, it certainly tells me a lot about you as a person.

  15. Chris Weig says:

    If one wants to atone for war crimes Linux From Scratch can help you. Other distributions are no good. A good alternative can be paying financial support to Hans Reiser. Or paying indulgence fees to the FSF or other FLOSS-tard organizations. What also works is physically assaulting a Microsoft employee. But don’t forget to film it (only free video formats are accepted).

  16. oldman says:

    I’ll say it again. Winbreds are complaining about how IBM bookkeepinged people to death. Read this aloud and resist the urge to burst into fits of laughter at the insanity of it all.

    Hitler youth wannabe Adam King has spoken!

    Sieg Heil!

  17. Adam King says:

    I’ll say it again. Winbreds are complaining about how IBM bookkeepinged people to death. Read this aloud and resist the urge to burst into fits of laughter at the insanity of it all.

  18. Mongrol says:

    “The Commander of Auschwitz who design the system to gas and destroy the bodies the people to death got off as not guilty.”
    “SS Major Richard Baer the last one is the one I was referring to.”

    SS-Sturmbannführer Richard Baer was the _last_ commander of Auschwitz I camp, between May 1944 and February 1945. He had nothing to do with the design or implementation of the gas chambers or crematoria. All of that was under Rudolf Hoess.

    Richard Baer was NOT acquitted. He died of a heart attack in pre-trial detention. He was neither acquitted or convicted because he was never tried. That’s a very, very, different thing to “got off as not guilty”.

    “Richard Bear and Rudolf Höß were both tried at Nuremberg.”

    Blatantly, patently, and inexcusably false.

    Hoess gave evidence at Nuremberg, but he was tried in Warsaw. Baer was never tried at all.

    ” Most history books miss the one that got off and why.”

    He did _not_ “get off”.

    “Oldman raised the issue of a particular defence it was the defence SS Major Richard Baer used.”

    Baer REFUSED TO TESTIFY, and ‘Befehl ist befehl’ was rejected as a defence at Nuremberg and other war crimes trials.

  19. oiaohm says:

    bob there were more than 2 commanders there were 3 commanders of Aurschwitz.

    I was referring to a very particular Commander.

    –SS Lieutenant Colonel Rudolf Hoess from May 1940 until November 1943; SS Lieutenant Colonel Arthur Liebehenschel from November 1943 until mid-May 1944; and SS Major Richard Baer from mid-May 1944 until January 27, 1945.–

    SS Major Richard Baer the last one is the one I was referring to. Yes the first two got executed there killing methods was not sound by any means.

    bob you don’t know your history. Most people think Aurschwitz had 2 commanders. Most history books miss the one that got off and why.

    Richard Bear and Rudolf Höß were both tried at Nuremberg. Only 1 was executed.

    I should have been more exact. The Last Commander of Auschwitz.

    Oldman raised the issue of a particular defence it was the defence SS Major Richard Baer used.

  20. bob says:

    Ohio Ham, both of Auschwitz’s commanders were tried, found guilty, and executed, Rudolf Höß at Nuremburg, and Arthur Liebehenschel at Krakow.

    And why the fixation on Aurschwitz? What of the 69 other known internment camps employed by the Third Reich, every single one of which, having a Hollerith Abteilung, the 12 major ones, having their own Hollerith identifier..

    Only the 25 most important _captured_ “leaders” of the Reich were tried at Nuremberg, of them, only Schacht (president of Reichsbank, and finance minister), Von Papen (Chancellor, and vice chancellor under the Reich) and Fritzsche (radio commentator, minister of propaganda) were acquitted. None had any sort of direct involvement with Auchwitz, nor any relation to Dehomag (at the time, IBM- Germany), who was never tried by the way.

    Keep trying, though.

    “Oh My Mr. Oldman I can tell that you and your crazy ass mofo buddies are seriously deranged when you try to draw a connection between a Linux distribution and war crimes/mass murder.”

    They’re referring to IBM’s well known dealings with the Third Reich, and the mass sale (and support!) of punchcards and Hollerith machines that were used for cataloging Jews, Gypsies and other “undesirables” in Reich occupied territory. Where correlation to Linux comes from, I’m not certain – other than the Big Blue worship practiced by freetards.

  21. oiaohm says:

    oldman
    –What a pity they didn’t use it at Nuremberg.–
    oldman really the defence was used at Nuremberg. It was proven legally valid by international law.

    The Commander of Auschwitz who design the system to gas and destroy the bodies the people to death got off as not guilty. Due to being forced to kill oldman. So design as painless system he could and maintained exact records even protected those records from destruction.

    This is where your complete arguement fails. Defence of being forced is legal for the Commander of Auschwitz. Exactly what evidence exists that this Defence does not apply to IBM.

    The question of legally guilty comes down to what could you have done differently. Commander of Auschwitz orders were to kill and dispose of the bodies or be killed no description how. He did not try to hide the crime.

    The Commander of Auschwitz also mandated to keep perfectly exact records on who he killed. Not all death camps did this.

    Reality here this history is very important to my relations.

  22. lpbbear says:

    “Oh My Mr. Bear I can tell that you are outraged, I mean seriously outraged, that anybody blah blah blah blah”

    Outraged? Not at all. On the other hand……

    Oh My Mr. Oldman I can tell that you and your crazy ass mofo buddies are seriously deranged when you try to draw a connection between a Linux distribution and war crimes/mass murder.

    Go join the first fruitcake down at the local loonybin. Don’t forget to get in the med line. You really need them.

    Seriously, don’t you guys have something better to do than to collectivity pull your virtual puds online?

    I have no idea why Pog puts up with you clowns?

    Go clean some viruses or something.

    (or go rattle your jewelry at the “po” folk and scream “bushwah” out your window at all the untermensch people stepping on your lawn….loser)

  23. oldman says:

    Oh My Mr. Bear I can tell that you are outraged, I mean seriously outraged, that anybody could possibly see something wrong with keeping the books on mass murder when it involves a mere 6,000,000 carefully chosen outsiders.

    Your suggestion is indeed an interesting defense. What a pity they didn’t use it at Nuremberg.

  24. lpbbear says:

    “Will slackware allow me to atone for war crimes as much as Debian or should I go with Gentoo for that?”

    No, none of those will help you with your atonement issues and your other obvious personal problems.

    What you need to do is run….don’t walk….down to the nearest mental health facility and voluntarily commit yourself. Also, while you’re at it, sign up for the mental health facility’s experimental drug testing program. You’re a perfect candidate to experiment on…..nothing to lose there.

    I’m sure the orderlies can answer any other stupid….errr…excuse me for my political incorrectness and insensitivity to your condition….uhh “insightful” questions you feel the need to ask.

    Now hurry along, your future cell mates, the guy who thinks he is Napoleon and the lady who thinks she is Joan of Arc, are eagerly awaiting your arrival.

  25. Ivan says:

    Will slackware allow me to atone for war crimes as much as Debian or should I go with Gentoo for that?

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