“Partners” Depart

Planning to work for a living, eventually, M$ got out of MSNBC. NBC, desiring freedom, waved “Good-bye”.

This partnership was forged in the bad old days of the OS wars when M$ was trying to lock everyone into their platform. They almost succeeded but now everything is coming apart. OEMs are selling competitive products. FLOSS is everywhere and computers are small, cheap, and portable.

see Microsoft sells out of MSNBC.com, plans to open own news pipe • The Register.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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26 Responses to “Partners” Depart

  1. oldman says:

    “Do you now get why I have such little respect of you oldman. You attempt to believe you words should be taken at face value. You make comments that are truly and surely false without question or explanation for error.”

    You could not have described yourself better.

    Get over yourself.

  2. oldman says:

    “Oldman if you are wanting to ever get me to tell you who I am on-line forget it.”

    I dont give a crap who you are jack. I was just attempting to bring a bit of reality into one of your wall of text barrages where you set yourself up as an expert in whatever topic that you are bloviating on at any moment.

    “I guess its kinda shocking to meet a person who does not class years of experience or credentials as much.”

    Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve run into more than my share of techs like you. People who are legends in their own mind are a dime a dozen, and BTW I’ve watched all of them inevitably blow themselves out of the water and be shown the door, yes even the ones who are useful, because in the end management would wind up getting rid of them because the weren’t worth the hassles their attitude created.

    If nothing else you are an object lesson in how not to behave with one’s peers.

    “Oldman you have gaffed the here and now information so I don’t value you that highly.”

    And as I have said many many times, I could care less what you think Mr. Microsoft VAR. You problems with me are of your own making. If you want to avoid them, then you need only to stop responding to my posts.

  3. oiaohm says:

    oldman Let put it this way I value my privacy. If you did find my Poems. They are odd the are written by Anonymous with a require royalty payment to the publisher. The money does not come to me but goes to the school that spent years correcting my english. With extra tutor support that my family could not afford. Even today those poems are in print.

    I still remember being accursed by a high school english teacher of plagiarism for submitting one of my own poems with my own name on it as my most favourite poem I had ever wrote. Then taking that teacher to the office and showing them the originals.

    So even if I told you the poems names that still would not help you find me oldman simply. The originals are in a vault out here that you would have to visit to find the person name behind them. All copies off the originals only have the authors name as Anonymous. The copies I submitted as class-work were burned by the school to reduced possible future confusion. In the process the art work I had done with those poems was destroyed forever.

    This is common for a lot of my work oldman. Because how can I take credit for the poems I wrote. I was a non functional class dyslexia suffer. Without the work of many others I would not be able to write or type english today. So all money from those works have gone to treating others. Also thinking I had to write those poems as part of treatment. To prove you understand each english style you have to be able to replicate it in a new work.

    My value of history comes form the fact I know I am not going to be remembered at all for many things I have created even some things I highly prised even funnier some of the poems won awards that was presented to the publisher.

    You call me a nameless nym. This is better than my early works at least I have a nym.

    Most likely never crossed your mind that I was hurt by education system many different ways. People with dyslexia are not dumb. This is why I don’t hide my spelling errors. Many people judge people based on spelling and grammar errors not the information they provide or there true skills then you have people judged on paper they have also not who they really are as well.

    Oldman if you are wanting to ever get me to tell you who I am on-line forget it. If you are able to work it out good on you. Just remember it will not matter how many credentials you show me that will change my option of you not at all. Credentials only show the possibility of someone having knowledge not that they do have it. Same with years of experience. Items you class as important Oldman I don’t value at all.

    Oldman you have gaffed the here and now information so I don’t value you that highly.

    I guess its kinda shocking to meet a person who does not class years of experience or credentials as much.

    So yes oldman I am published in many places. Most will never be credited to me. Some are under one off assumed names.

    Some brings me great sadness to see how a positive item is abused to perform evil. Those make grateful that I did not demand my name on everything.

    Really oldman you do lack wisdom and too much ego that runs you into problems with me. You fall back to bits of paper and years of experience as some magic cover for your faults.

  4. oiaohm says:

    oldman “nameless nym” to me you are a nameless nym as well oldman. Who has repeat not displayed any skill.

    Please be aware I place little value in credentials. When you have someone with a PHD in Information Tech open a password protected zip file and infect a network with a bios infecting worm as your first dealings with them credentials don’t mean anything other than get insurance off you back.

    Yes that was my first case I was the one who sent the worm with a full description of what it was. Completely not believed. Now you wonder why you and I don’t get along. Then I was threatened with jail time. I had to prove that the PHD in Information Tech was incompetent to avoid serving 15 years. Not what you want to be doing when you are 18. So you could say don’t value written credentials at all.

    I could give a link to http://www.nyu.edu does not mean I work there. Even if I did work there does not mean I am skilled or even competent or knows what is really going on.

    Do you now get why I have such little respect of you oldman. You attempt to believe you words should be taken at face value. You make comments that are truly and surely false without question or explanation for error.

    So far have I ever failed to provide explain for error and why. As far as I know never. This is accepting making of error. The people who get PHD’s who are the people who put the non guilty behind bars believe they are past making error.

    I have in that last lot refereed to a very complex form of english. Its not common oldman. I have give many clues that can find me. Those clues would absolutely find me and be able to confirm it as me.

    Really oldman you are bluff. Funny thing is everything I mentioned about my english styles is in the comments in this blog at different points. So maybe you are not skilled enough in english to see it. Latin or German sentence order I do use in places. I should have been correct prevents me from using it as much.

    You claim that you cannot verify nothing is false oldman. You have the evidence. Maybe you don’t know how to read evidence and solve so depend on credentials instead of your own brain. Then you wonder why I think so little of you. The evidence is in front of you yet you still ask for credentials over it.

  5. Dr Loser says:

    What a load of piffle, Oiaohm. “Error markers” indeed.

    Mr Pogson has a perfectly fine and clear style, but any fool can tell the difference between his style and mine.

    If you’re using a historic form of English for the fun of it, would you please consider using a comprehensible style of English for the benefit of others?

    And as a graduate in History (Oxford, not Outback), may I point out that your expertise in that particular field needs one heck of a lot more buffing? To the outside observer, you seem to be equally as ignorant in history as you are in every single other field you lay claim to.

    Didn’t it occur to you that Robert has banned me from this site? (As he has every right to do.) I’m being discourteous to him by replying to you, but somebody needs to call you out on this gibberish.

    Robert, I am now off again. Thanks for your forbearance.

  6. oldman says:

    “So yes I have said I am a history buff I guess it did not cross your mind I am using a historic form of English for the fun of it.”

    So you say, but since you are a nameless nym with no credentials we can verify nothing. Frankly given your recent misrepresentations of your expertise, your veracity is looking none too good.

  7. oldman says:

    “So it really does come down to what country law you read the case from for happened to Microsoft. So this will always been a dispute when you get international Clarence Moon. USA law cases when displayed in other countries courts have different meanings.”

    No it does not. The case was a US case adjudicated and settled under US law. Your “dispute” is nothing more than an opinion.

  8. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser
    “Being accused of writing in the style of Mr Pogson …

    I feel quite humble.

    It’s just a shame that the accusation comes from an illiterate like Mr Oiaohm.”

    Really on such a short amount of text there was limited assessment markers. But for the what was there the two closest matches was you or Robert. Notice I do mention both of you.

    Exact match requires somewhere between 2000 to 5000 words of the author to have enough markers to make a signature match. Lets just say out of all the writers here only You and Robert have a lot of common error markers.

    Dr Loser the markers I was using are nothing to be proud of. They are defects in the way you use the english language. Defects are simpler to detect than perfection patterns. Perfection patterns require a lot more text. Truly you are a poorer writer than Robert when compared over volume.

    SMS short hand and M$ there are very few people who use those here Dr Loser. Both are signs of poor writing style.

    Dr Loser I have some bad news for you. Due to dyslexia teachers got the idea of having me study English in great detail. Turns out to be very stupid idea. There are reasons why I avoid grammar marks. It prevents me from using some of the exotic bits of English. Like Latin or German sentence order. Valid but not commonly used english today.

    The issue is not being illiterate. What happens when you are the exact other way. You write in a form the general population cannot understand unless you limit yourself.

    Some of the poems I have written are used as exams in BA students final year. Reason add grammar marks to them each one is a lose points because you are changing the meaning of what is written. Also they have how many errors as question. Answer is 0 even that some are 500 words long with only a single full stop. Yes they are fully readable without use of commas. Key is selection of words. To allow person to get breath mid word. Yes being able to read them allowed in a nasty test in how good your english is.

    Does this explain why my english is nasty. The form I use here is Morse Code style English. Yes anyone who knows the forms of English would have noticed that. Yes accusing someone doing Morse style of using dollar sign is a complete joke.

    I do need to get my spacing after full stops stable.

    That is the other thing I do change my style a bit because I get board. Yes I also do some Morse word swaps. Same sounding word just use shorter version.

    So yes I have said I am a history buff I guess it did not cross your mind I am using a historic form of English for the fun of it.

  9. JR says:

    @ Clarence Moon
    Your comment refers

    “So who is poaching on my name here? The poorly constructed sentences and the “M$” are characteristic of the Kozbear, but the audacity and cyberstalking are more characteristic of JR. Then the ignorance of the law is so like Mr. Oiaohm.”

    So I take it that anyone who questions your brilliant
    intellect and your oblique sense of humour have no right to do so.?

  10. oiaohm says:

    “However, the rest of the states went to judgement from the judge who essentially imposed the same terms as settled upon by the rest of the states and the government.”

    Clarence Moon in fact no on the states thing. MS after that did a lot of things to make each state happy.

    http://www.microsoftcalsettlement.com/

    Mostly MS was able to use money to buy there way out. Enough that each state did not bother following threw.

    Each state settled for different terms. Some did better than others.

    Clarence Moon
    “No fines were levied and no injunctions were issued.” Maybe not but MS paid out a lot of cash settlements to prevent the case going forwards.

    Basically we will give you so much funding to schools……. for so long as long as you drop that case. Or what would be called here bribery. Would be a criminal offence. But legally acceptable under USA law. This is some of the reason why the USA has so much problem with rich people breaking the law. Offering to donate money and other controls like that not to get sentenced is not acceptable here.

    Please note MS settled the case before the punishment stage was done. They is why fines and injunctions did not happen. USA law stupidity. I agree to pay X dollars so a case disappears under USA law this does not get written up as paying a agreed to fine of X dollars for offence. Under Australia and Canada it would be written up as paying agree to fine of X dollars for the offence.

    The way the USA writes thing up is down right deceptive. Australia to make a charge disappear by money you have to agree to pay a fine for it. Not just pay so much to have the case dropped and disappear. Since historically when this happened in Australia there was many cases of the prosecutor nicking off with the money and taking the case to judgement anyhow.

    Canada is the same as Australia on that one. So from a Canada point of view of law MS did pay a fine willingly. Yet from a USA law point of view they did not.

    International law gets ugly with all the different country differences.

    Microsoft agree to stop doing particular actions under Australian these would be written up as willing accepted injections against actions.

    So it really does come down to what country law you read the case from for happened to Microsoft. So this will always been a dispute when you get international Clarence Moon. USA law cases when displayed in other countries courts have different meanings.

  11. Clarence Moon says:

    The findings of fact that M$ violated Sherman anti-trust act were upheld on appeal.

    The findings of fact were never in dispute, Mr. Pogson, on appeal or otherwise. Rather, the findings of law were essentially rejected almost in total since they were not supported by the facts. The major charges, namely exclusive dealing, monopoly leveraging, and illegal tying were dismissed in the end and only a few technical violations of the Sherman Act remained. No fines were levied and no injunctions were issued. Only the ongoing operations of Microsoft were to be closely monitored to ensure that illegal conduct did not occur in the future after Microsoft agreed to stop certain practices identified as violations.

    M$ thought they were better off negotiating with lawyers rather than having a judge lay down a ruling.

    The Department of Justice and about half of the states settled, which is the “negotiating with lawyers” that you reference, I think. However, the rest of the states went to judgement from the judge who essentially imposed the same terms as settled upon by the rest of the states and the government.

  12. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson that explains why I could not find the source comment. It been eaten by the system.

    “And you dare glee at Skype’s errors. Especially when there is not a single line in Skype done by MS yet.”

    Sending that personal private text message to a random person in your address book. That is worse than this. Central server is a little glitch on keeping track of who the messages are for at skype recently.

  13. Dr Loser says:

    Well I never!

    Being accused of writing in the style of Mr Pogson …

    I feel quite humble.

    It’s just a shame that the accusation comes from an illiterate like Mr Oiaohm.

  14. Phenom says:

    “That does not explain what happened to your comment though”

    And you dare glee at Skype’s errors. Especially when there is not a single line in Skype done by MS yet. 🙂

  15. kozmcrae says:

    Clarence Moon wrote:

    “The poorly constructed sentences and the “M$” are characteristic of the Kozbear,…”

    You can opine any way you want on my sentence structure but you’ve never seen me use ‘M$’ in the place of Microsoft.

    You’ve just given us an insight into your poor reading skills and memory. You may want to be checked for Alzheimer’s, no, really.

  16. That’s my comment under your name. I have no idea how that happened… Perhaps I edited your comment instead of replying to it… That does not explain what happened to your comment though.

  17. oiaohm says:

    Clarence Moon if you notice I never use M$. MS maybe but never M$ same with most of the other regulars here. Reason I am too lazy to caps normally to type $. you will also notice I write like 50 dollars/AUD/USD instead of doing $50 a lot of cases. Fact that a dollar sign was used is clear sign its not me. Its todo with my hands on keyboard faster and easy for me not to type dollar sign.

    Also not my style. The written style if you look closer is not any of the regulars for the last 2 weeks.

    SMS short hand is rarely used here. Robert sometimes in article normally quoted. “IMHO” this is a real rarity used here. That is purely not my style or kozmcrae.

    Out of all the people here for the language of that message I would say the closest would be “Dr Loser”.

    http://mrpogson.com/2012/04/11/glyn-moody-gets-one-right/#comments That is some of his recent writing style.

    Clarence Moon clean and stable sentence struct is not what kozmcrae or me is known for. If you look closer its cleaner in sentence construction than either of us do. Its not like kozmcrae to caps anything mid sentence if kozmcrae caps something mid sentence the caps normally sticks. “Sherman anti-trust act” Its also not like me to only do 1 letter in something like that. Its normally all or nothing.
    http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/13/mine-and-counter-mine-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/ You see my style here. JR also is knowing not to be able to find the shift key.

    So the other 2 people you picked the writing style is wrong as well.

    “ignorance of the law” Please read again the response is not my kind of ignorance. Mine is normally region to region interoperation issues. Same what you run into with some words with me.

    Thanks for point it out it was not you because it was seaming like you had flipped you lid Clarence Moon if it was you. The quote there I have not found where it comes from. This is why I was classing the comment as stray junk.

    Final thing the quote I cannot find where its from at all. Clarence Moon.
    If this is fake
    “Wasn’t that the trial where Microsoft was found not guilty of blocking Netscape’s browser from the market and not guilty of leveraging a monopoly product to gain a monopoly in another market and not guilty of bundling a product with a monopoly product?”

    You are looking for someone who can copy your written style quite well Clarence Moon. That does clearly take out the 3 of us you kinda blamed. It does leave “Dr Loser” who would have the language style to pull that off as one possible suspect.

    The first word is sus by the way for your style Clarence Moon. “Wasn’t” Its not a word kozmcrae or me use at all ie by our writing styles we would have used Wasnot or Was not instead and I have not see JR use it either. Lot of us here avoid the ‘ char.

    Basically if your quote is fake it rules a lot of us out. Dr Loser would use “Wasn’t”. That is why I would say still a possibility.

  18. Clarence Moon says:

    So who is poaching on my name here? The poorly constructed sentences and the “M$” are characteristic of the Kozbear, but the audacity and cyberstalking are more characteristic of JR. Then the ignorance of the law is so like Mr. Oiaohm.

  19. oiaohm says:

    Phenom
    “Well, of course, I forgot that MS kill children every morning, created the AIDS virus, and are the cause for every hurricane and earthquake since 1980.”

    Sometimes Phenom by fluke gets something so close.

    Bill gates was and is one of the largest shareholders in one of the company’s that make anti AIDS drugs that refuses to license for cheaper copies to be made for the third world. Also Microsoft is a shareholder in that company. Joint they could almost over turn the board.

    So that MS kills children with AIDS could possible be true because they don’t push for drugs to control AIDS to be released to the people who need them.

    This is why it does not at times pay to attempt to be a smart ass Phenom. Sometimes you end up quoting possible facts. Just not enough data to prove it yet.

  20. Clarence Moon says:

    Clarence Moon wrote, of US DOJ v M$,“Wasn’t that the trial where Microsoft was found not guilty of blocking Netscape’s browser from the market and not guilty of leveraging a monopoly product to gain a monopoly in another market and not guilty of bundling a product with a monopoly product?”

    No. It’s not. M$ folded and settled with US DOJ for far too little IMHO.

    The findings of fact that M$ violated Sherman anti-trust act were upheld on appeal. M$ thought they were better off negotiating with lawyers rather than having a judge lay down a ruling.

  21. Ivan says:

    You’re absolutely right, Bob. Microsoft’s contracts with OEMs are clearly related to Microsoft’s contract with NBC news.

    The fact that only you are aware of this only means that the rest of us were blinded by the sharks with friken laser beams attached to their heads.

  22. kozmcrae says:

    Phenom wrote:

    “Well, of course, I forgot that MS kill children every morning, created the AIDS virus, and are the cause for every hurricane and earthquake since 1980.”

    Your statement is made of straw.

  23. Phenom says:

    “Phenom ignores the real purpose of it all, for M$ to control the world”

    Well, of course, I forgot that MS kill children every morning, created the AIDS virus, and are the cause for every hurricane and earthquake since 1980.

    The sad thing is that your statement comes from someone who supports Google. This is hypocricy.

  24. oiaohm says:

    Phenom you are off course missing that MS had a 50 percent share in MSNBC and control of management.

    Really excuses are excuses Phenom. NBC is a lot happier to be rid of MS so it can now sync its NBC websites with its other services.

    The joint project really was not viable for either.

    MSNBC site was also restricted from displaying non NBC source material. Basically it was a horrid deal for NBC and Microsoft.

    Phenom MS with some of these old deals cut there own throat and also cut the throat they made the deal with.

  25. Phenom wrote, “it was MS who have been locked in by that partnership”.

    Phenom ignores the real purpose of it all, for M$ to control the world:
    “Microsoft has renegotiated licensing agreements with several major personaI—computer makers, inserting language that blocks them from using Microsoft‘s dominant Windows operating system unless they ensure that Microsoft’s screen comes on when users boot up.
    That initial screen has traditionally been of secondary importance; in the past. some computer makers themselves have created their own introductory screens to walk first-time users through set-up procedures and simple tasks on their new computers. In the future, however, when more users will be on-line, the screen could become a valuable port of entry into cyberspace and be used to extract tolls or steer customers into particular areas.
    With its hold on the computer desktop — some 90% of the world‘s PCs run on Microsoft operating systems — Microsoft, of Redmond, Wash., is in position to shape the port of entry for millions of users into a world of customized sports highlights, streams of movie previews and click-to-buy merchandising sites across global networks.”

    Unlike Phenom, I did read US DOJ v M$.

  26. Phenom says:

    Pogson, Pogson…

    “Love is blindless”, U2 sing. I am sure Hatred is blindless, too.

    If you have ever bothered to go into the details, you would have notices that it was MS who have been locked in by that partnership. MSN was allowed to post only news from NBC. Now, MSN will be finally allowed to syndicate news information, and provide a much better news service.

    Instead of reading, you preferred to go into your usual hurl of small-cheap-computers-windows-free-oems grunts.

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