Bullies Take Their Lumps

It’s always fun to see the school-yard bully take his lumps:

The bullies of IT, Apple, M$ and Oracle have hardly gained any traction in their barrage of lawsuits and even book-sellers are beating them up. That public humiliation is adding to the decline in monopoly in IT. Going forward, everyone will seriously consider open standards in new systems and upgrades and monopoly will fade back into the swamp where it belongs, competing on price/performance. In the end the $billions the monopolists stole from the economy will become tiny compared to the rapid growth in global IT.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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55 Responses to Bullies Take Their Lumps

  1. oldman says:

    I note that our old english scholar has not taken up the challenge.

    Not unexpected.

  2. oldman says:

    “apparently you are multilingual in your incompetence) trying to convey, does.”

    Well lets see of your right my deal doctor.

    Mr. oiaohm

    Hwaet!

    þá héahmihte beorn æfterfolgere penguin. gewitodlice gif ðu cunnan þæt ágenspræce. þu onginnest huse þære swæsnesse wæron ánfalde. lóclóca hu þá bláwunge of þæs BOTMes, soðlic seo cunnan á þæs gemaðles en dysigdómes.

    (Apologies in advance, my grammar is extremely rusty)

  3. Phenom says:

    Let me take from where Oldman left.

    “The last time I seriously used Macs…”
    It is not my problem that your knowledge is hopelessly outdated, Pogs. Today Macs run OS X, based on your beloved Unix “solid foundation, which is inherently secure, blah-blah, yakety-shmakety”.

    Still, Apple can implement SMB2, and FLOSS can’t.

  4. oldman says:

    “Useful, eh? Why replace M$’s SMB and not the domain controller stuff?”

    How about Because windows domains are obsolete – people use Active directory at this point.

  5. Phenom wrote, “See how proprietary software can do things FLOSS can’t cope with”

    see a note on the subject:
    “SMBX will reportedly drop support for NT Domain Controller features that came with Samba.”

    Useful, eh? Why replace M$’s SMB and not the domain controller stuff?

    The last time I seriously used Macs, they were using “Applesoft” or some such networking and it regularly failed to allow printing. That was MacOS 8, I believe, and like Lose ‘9x it could not stand on its own two feet but kept falling down. Gotta love that “proprietary” software, eh? So reliable, so inexpensive to have to pay for permission to run your own hardware.

  6. Kozmcrae says:

    “There are Voices there. And they are talking to You.”

    Now how would you know that Dr.?

  7. Hanson says:

    “Basically no one for a long time was able to implement smb2 because the requirements were not provided by MS todo so.”

    But you people like to tinker anyway, therefore it’s not a problem. For example, who else would be stupid enough to waste their time on trying to implement the Windows API? You. And the end result — Wine — is by all means a load of crap, even after more than 18 years of continued development.

  8. Phenom says:

    Pogs, quoting Ohio is not making you look good, old man.

    Here is something for you: Apple implemented SMB2 support without any hussle. Just check out SMBX. Apple trashed Samba and did their own implementation.

    See how proprietary software can do things FLOSS can’t cope with. 🙂

  9. oiaohm wrote, “Basically no one for a long time was able to implement smb2 because the requirements were not provided by MS todo so.”

    Exactly. Allowing M$ to set the standards but keep moving the goal posts has been a terrible error in IT globally. M$ never does anything without some angle preventing competitors from competing. This is largely what the EU Commission’s decision was about and M$ even dragged out the process as long as possible to milk the benefits.

    I will stick with NFS and CUPS, thank you. It’s simpler, well-documented and performs well. NFS has worked first time for me every time since 2003. Back in 2000 when I was a newb, I could not get it to work but everything else did. If we need more security we can use sshfs or other utility. There’s no need to trust an unreliable supplier like M$.

    We’ve seen this behaviour in networking, file format, OOXML, InternetExploder, … It’s the only real innovation that M$ does.

  10. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser
    ǣhtgeweald and Ahtgeweald are the same word. It is not incorrect spelling as such. When you are type setting with a typeset that does not contain ae as a joint symbol. With old english it is permit-able to replace that with either a letter a or ae the pair. A is allowed as long as another word does not exist matching.

    You would know this if you had processed old documents. My keyboard does not contain a ae key so free to use the type setting replacement options. I guess in future you will prefer me to use the double letter replacement “ae”. It a bit like the usa color and British colour. Better to know now. It really makes bugger all difference to me if I use the single or double letter replacements for it.

    So by old english my alteration is perfectly legal. Incompatible typesetting with what you use to you can claim that.

    You also need the boarder define the book of the words meaning you have Dr Loser is crap. If you translate anything using that book you had the meaning would be way off. There are some books that are good references and there are some that are o boy how did that get printed. Guess what you found.
    http://www.oldenglishtranslator.co.uk/ for online source is about one of the best. Other than that you need some of the master dictionaries.

    Maybe if you had spoken to lecture about the topic they would have pointed out the finer points of typesetting and the evil effects it had on old english documents when they were printed in different countries with different char-sets.

  11. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser
    “test suite for smb2”
    when was that released. 2010 was the first test suite released partly released. 2011 when anyone with a ID can download. Download the testsuite and careful examine it. You will find it not a Microsoft created suite at all. Strangely in a lot of places its 100 percent identical to the samba test suite.

    I ask you to find me a MS created test suite not a nicked one and one that was late to the party. Samba 2.6 got official smb2 support when the MS test suit was at long last released.

    When did apple claim support for SMB2?? hello problem. Prior to existence of a test suite to confirm it worked and Apple did not make a test suite either.

    Dr Loser you don’t do your homework do you. I told you to go find the MS test suite. I thought it would have made sence that you would have checked when that was released. Before or after the documentation before or after apple claimed support.

    Basically no one for a long time was able to implement smb2 because the requirements were not provided by MS todo so.

  12. Dr Loser says:

    @Hanson:

    Hee hee.

    You are a very, very, naughty person.

    Go and clean your mouth out with ǣhtgeweald.

    Your teeth, and the many free teeth that will be developed after them … im sorry i have to sit dwon … will Thank You for it.

    What is “it”? Buggered if I know.

    We can only wait and oiaohm.

  13. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    At least when it comes to SMB2, oiaohm, I own your ass.

    Which is a regrettable way of pointing out that I’m even better than you at Anglo-Saxon. (Or, as you would have it, Old English. Either way.)

    Is there any single skill that you can claim as your own that you are actually competent at?

    I suspect not.

  14. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    “Dr Loser there is something important for a standard that MS fails to provide. Documentation is only half the requirement for a good and proper standard.

    The other half is a test suite to confirm that you have implemented the stuff correctly. Find me MS test suite for SMB2.”

    Well, I’m going to do my best on this one. Where should I look? In the back garden?

    Probably not. Down the street?

    Probably not. I know, I’ll try Bing, except that (even though you would have no clue that I used Bing) the results would be tainted, tainted, foul.

    So: not Bing.

    Hmmm. Let me think.

    I wonder if the first result on Google when you type in “test suite for smb2” is:

    this?

    Why … yes, it is!

    No thanks required, oiaohm. Just cash on the nail.

    As far as I can make out, on an even trivial tutorial basis, you currently owe me roughly $200.

    But don’t let that stop you. I am always amenable to gullible and self-confessed ignorance.

  15. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    “‘Have you ever once worked off an architecture or design document?’

    “Yes I have. And I can tell you why the SMB2 documentation is so buggy. MS wrote implementation then wrote documentation for it.”

    Ooh, that stings. How very unusual.

    Now, about this architecture or design document you worked off.

    Did it have any changes at all over four years?

    And if so, would the number of those changes be more, less, or approximately the same as the eight changes per year you quoted for a rather complex document like the Microsoft SMB2 one?

    I’m hoping for far, far less. Also an appreciation of Seagulls in Anglo-Saxon literature. Plus some faint clue about programming.

    Given all that, and assuming you contact me and ensure that I am one of your Microsoft interviewers, then I can practically guarantee you the job of your life, my son!

    Still not sure about that ignorant ǣhtgeweald thing, however.

    We can find a way.

  16. Hanson says:

    “Hanson the one my coral link is a very rough bible quote. Yes section is missing. Coral is more a in face company.”

    I love the Bible! I pray every night that God not be merciful and strike down the Linux heathens.

    I also love Coral! A wonderful laundry detergent sold in Germany. (You can’t use it for your face, though.)

    How much we have in common! Do you like Windows?

  17. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    “possession power control the power of the possessor,” eh?

    Well, it’s certainly as meaningless as most of your posts. And it doesn’t really matter whether it translates into a single word, does it? The word doesn’t matter. The thought you were (as usual, incompetently: apparently you are multilingual in your incompetence) trying to convey, does.

    Seagulls, I’m telling you. Consult your local professor of Anglo-Saxon, who will incidentally beat you around the head and point out that your spelling is woeful.

    In other news:

    “Dr Loser time to put up on the Won’t Fix bit. Where is a bug proving your case.”

    First time I mentioned it, as I recall. But it’s an evergreen.

    Do you really want me to perform this trivial task?

    Really?

    Fine. I will do this small thing if you admit that your analysis of page 116 (or whatever it was) is deeply flawed.

    See, two can play at this game, oiaohm. And, unfortunately for you, I am far more intelligent and much more experienced.

    “‘Ahtgeweald’ has the the key thing for a long time. Question is do you have it or does someone else.

    “When you understand what I said you might understand what you are missing about reality.”

    Seek help, young man.

    Seek help right now.

  18. oiaohm says:

    It came out in the EU anti-trust case that MS did not have a test suite even for internal usage for the old SMB1 protocol. This purely explained to the samba guys why they were seeing so many errors and secuirty flaws in the windows implementation.

    Really test suites for MS so called standard stuff mostly have been developed by open source. They repeating tell a story of unstable.

  19. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser there is something important for a standard that MS fails to provide. Documentation is only half the requirement for a good and proper standard.

    The other half is a test suite to confirm that you have implemented the stuff correctly. Find me MS test suite for SMB2.

  20. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser Ahtgeweald does not translate to one word.

    Yes its about power attempt to convert to one word losses it meaning. “possession power control the power of the possessor”. There is no single word in modern english that matches it. Something people who spoke and wrote old english thought about a lot was who was in control and how much control that person really had. There are quite a few specialist words about it.

    Dr Loser
    “Have you ever once worked off an architecture or design document?”
    Yes I have. And I can tell you why the SMB2 documentation is so buggy. MS wrote implementation then wrote documentation for it.

    A shared standard. It is better to write documentation then implement from that. The other way ends up with stacks and stack of errors. These errors cause incompatibilities. For years MS was not working from a documented protocol this is why XP to a 2000 server/client would do stupid things. Also why XP to Vista and 7 does do stupid things.

    Yes MS is gulity of the use the source method compatibility then show no one the source.

    As I say I hope by SMB3 MS has there internal struts sorted out.

    Lot of Linux programs built to standards is done properly.

    –Take the Linux route, as demonstrated by countless Bugzillas, and label it “Won’t Fix”–

    Dr Loser time to put up on the Won’t Fix bit. Where is a bug proving your case.

    Linux standards are developed by standard bodies.
    http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb Yes there is one central place for ABI compatibility.

    Of course if you have to admit this Dr Loser lot of your arguments go by by. You have choice of Distribution provide ABI or Standard ABI.

    Even in the Linux foundation bugzilla the central bugzilla for standard ABI on Linux there are very few bugs in won’t fix list. Most are the normal old version issue ie existed in a old version don’t exist in current version as issue any more.

    Myth after myth after myth out of your DR Loser.

    FOSS world has produced more solid and dependable standards than anywhere else. Of course there is always the on going problem that people don’t use them then cry about being hurt form not using standard parts. Should we fell sorry for them nop.

    Hanson the one my coral link is a very rough bible quote. Yes section is missing. Coral is more a in face company.

  21. Dr Loser says:

    @ch:

    “What has that to do with anything?”

    I’m still not sure, but after consulting with m’learned friends (linguistic experts, rather than lawyers) the word is apparently

    ǣhtgeweald.

    Mis-spelled, as usual, even in oiaohm’s professed second language.

    According to this Anglo-Saxon concordance, which I now want to buy and will recommend over GNU/Debian any time, because it’s actually created by people who care and who know what they’re doing, it means:

    “Power, control, sway.”

    I got the phonemes right, but the overall meaning slightly skewed. Now, what oiaohm meant by it is anybody’s guess.

    Seagulls? Fruit-nibbling? Evil Monopolistic Power Exercised Through An Out-dated Patent System?

    I’m going for Seagulls, myself.

  22. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    That Olde English thing, btw.

    Is it true that you were raised by a group of Franciscan Knights Templar monks who only spoke ancient Sumerian?

  23. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    “33 reversions in 4 years correcting errors in documentation is not sign of well documented.”

    That thesis would probably explain the fact that you don’t even manage to get beyond a first draft of gibberish, oiaohm.

    Have you ever once worked off an architecture or design document?

    (It’s revisions and not reversions btw. Oh well, one more reversion couldn’t hurt.)

    How, precisely, do you expect a large design/protocol document to work?

    Clue: every now and again, say eight times a year (if you are very, very, very lucky) a developer will ask you a question and you will either:

    (1) Take the Linux route, as demonstrated by countless Bugzillas, and label it “Won’t Fix”

    or

    (2) Do it properly.

    Stop being childish.

  24. Dr Loser says:

    @Robert:

    Isn’t it about time you renamed this blog to “The Emperor’s New Clothes”?

    It would work both ways.

    Here’s your latest ninny comment:

    “I would not be surprised if the documentation provided by M$ is deliberate disinformation. They can clearly afford the best and brightest writers.”

    Separating those two (very silly) sentences into A and B: precisely what relationship does B have to A?

    The question of whether you are surprised, or not, is an entirely personal matter. I rather doubt that even the Winnipeg Free Press would regard it as worth reporting at this point. After all, given your declared irrational prejudices, you are perpetually unsurprised.

    It must be a rather boring life. Go out and shoot a moose: you’ll feel better for it.

  25. Dr Loser says:

    “’Typically, this is what happens on a blog.’

    “Yes, oh how I know.”

    Do you? Not really. You didn’t even bother to think about it, did you? Pursuivant:

    “You deal with the advances in FLOSS against the proprietary interests in detail.”

    I’m going to be generous here. I’ll allow a change from my arbitrary start-date of January 1st, 2005.

    Based on that start-date, I see no evidence of FLOSS going anything other than backwards, or at the very best, sideways.

    “If a discussion isn’t going your way …”

    Superb! So, Koz, you are now seriously committed to discussion!

    I had always seen you as the pitiful ignorant fat kid hiding behind a tree and yelling “Your mother!” at random passers-by, preferably old people with zimmer frames.

    Obviously, I was wrong. I admit it. Let’s have a discussion, then!

    Your choice of subject. It doesn’t even have to be IT-related. I can demolish any argument you come up with after I’ve stuck a heated hat-pin through my frontal lobes.

    “…someone tries to derail it by declaring Linux dead on the desktop or some such nonsense.”

    References, please? At this point I don’t even need to pick the heated hat-pin up.

    When I said you were “a bit of a twit,” incidentally, I was dreadfully wrong.

    What that “bit of a” was doing there is beyond me. I will now reach for the hat-pin.

  26. Dr Loser says:

    Happy New Year, Mr Hanson.

    And may yours be Loon-Free.

  27. Hanson says:

    Ah, how I missed ohiohams incoherent rambling:

    “http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=800281&item=pressRelease&listid=11000001

    The world is changing. The question is to where.”

    Yes. The world is indeed changing. It’s changing every second (or whatever unit floats your boat). What’s your point?

    Corel AfterShot Pro on the other hand has merely been renamed from Bibble, which Corel bought. And Bibble was available for Linux from the start.

    And the question of the direction of said change is as clear as day:

    Linux users are still hoping that capitalistic companies will save them with their proprietary software, because FLOSS can’t get it done. (And this is damn funny.)

    Linux users are still having wet dreams of native AAA games, fueled by Humble Indie Bundles. (Wait, the Doom 3 source has been released. Quuick, build something. I’m sure you can get a bad game like “Rage” done.)

    Has anything changed at all? Apparently not.

    A happy new year!

  28. Dr Loser says:

    @Robert:

    I’m always up for discussing the subject of the post, which as I recall is “Bullies take their lumps.”

    Whatever happened to Amicus Curiae, incidentally? He used to be something of a regular occurrence here…

  29. Dr Loser says:

    @oiaohm:

    “Ahtgeweald?”

    One would hope your spelling in Old English is a notch above the equivalent in the more modern version, but as far as I can see this is a hapax legomenon of no obvious meaning. Manly power? Virtuous restraint? Give us a clue.

    I’m looking forward to the first installment of your Old English anecdotes. Why limit yourself to a single word? It’s hardly your style, is it?

  30. Dr Loser says:

    @Robert:

    Glad you mentioned IE, Robert.

    IE9 is a good argument for Microsoft paying attention to criticism over “standards” (if you can call the stuff that W3C chucks over the garden wall every so often any such thing).

    Not only does it compare very well to current versions of Chrome and Firefox, but Microsoft are actively co-operating with W3C on the development of HTML5, plus which they’re supplying thousands of tests that can be used to measure any browser’s standards compliance.

    Whilst trying to find a decent comparison site for standards compliance, I tripped across this. Sounds like Microsoft’s efforts in this area are likely to be extremely valuable…

  31. oiaohm says:

    Don’t you get it ch.
    “Ahtgeweald” has the the key thing for a long time. Question is do you have it or does someone else.

    When you understand what I said you might understand what you are missing about reality. ch.

  32. Cute, but the GPL is a licence, not a lease/contract. That is an important difference. With M$, one usually must enter a contract with M$ in order to receive a licence. That’s how M$ gets people to accept restrictions far beyond copyright. e.g. Limited number of connections. The GPL, on the other hand, gives rights far beyond copyright. e.g. the right to make unlimited numbers of copies and to distribute.

  33. ch says:

    What would that have to do with anything?

  34. oiaohm says:

    ch http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=800281&item=pressRelease&listid=11000001

    The world is changing. The question is to where.

    Thine is the power and all things are possible with thee.

  35. ch says:

    @Dr Loser:

    “Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Sanctuary!”

    May I offer some vintage Peter Gabriel?
    “You, can’t you see he’s fooled you all.
    Yes, he’s here again,
    can’t you see he’s fooled you all.
    Share his peace, sign the lease.
    He’s a supersonic scientist,
    He’s the guaranteed eternal sanctuary man.
    Look, look into my mouth he cries,
    And all the children lost down many paths,
    I bet my life you’ll walk inside
    hand in hand, gland in gland
    With a spoonful of miracle,
    he’s the guaranteed eternal sanctuary man.”
    (Genesis: Supper’s Ready, Pt II)

    “sign the lease”: GPL
    “supersonic scientist”: Pogson
    “children lost down many paths”: Sarah McIntire
    (-> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/sarah-mcintire-introduction)
    “a spoonful of miracle”: MagicPixieDust(TM)
    “guaranteed eternal sanctuary man”: kozmcrae

    Spooky.

  36. Andrew says:

    The bridges; Verrazano-Narrows, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Rockaway and Williamsburg belong to the Port Authority of New York.

    The post is about on-going patent litigation. Also, an opinion concerning open standards as price/performance alternatives and the scaling down of monopolies in IT.

  37. oiaohm says:

    Ivan apple closed source implement was suspected to be in breach of gplv3 at a time as will due to the invalid documentation leading to identical bugs.

    Identical bugs is a sign of shared history somewhere normally.

  38. oiaohm says:

    IVAN

    “Funny, Apple didn’t seem to have a problem using that documentation to implement their own SMB2 solution in less time than the Samba project. Maybe the problem is the people reading the documentation don’t really want their system to work well with other operating systems?”
    No problems???? Really who do you think you are kidding.

    http://youfaqs.com/201112535/mailing-list/a-serious-smb-problem-with-10-7-1-related-to-extended-attributes.html

    There are reports all over the beep place of OS X using smb2 not being able to transfer files from a Windows 7 machine or the reverse. Simple fact is SMB2 by documentation does not work dependably. Yes lot of people thought it was samba at first as well since the issues are identical. Reason the issues are identical is because they came from the same source document.

    Samba detect this in testing and delayed deployment apple rushed it.

    Basically pull you head in you moron Ivan.

  39. Ivan says:

    “Ivan please don’t say lies no one has stood a chance of implement SMB2 correctly from that documentation.”

    Funny, Apple didn’t seem to have a problem using that documentation to implement their own SMB2 solution in less time than the Samba project. Maybe the problem is the people reading the documentation don’t really want their system to work well with other operating systems?

    “Samba had implemented SMB2 to the documentation inside 12 months of it release. Reason it has not gone live is failure of real-world testing.”

    Sure they did. Did I tell you that I’ve got this wonderful bridge in Brooklyn for sale? I’ll even give you a discount, half-off, today only! Get it while its hot.

    @ Bob:

    “I would not be surprised if the documentation provided by M$ is deliberate disinformation. They can clearly afford the best and brightest writers.”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if you were just saying this to troll your readers. Even you have to realize the legal trouble that would bring down upon Microsoft in Europe.

  40. kozmcrae says:

    “Typically, this is what happens on a blog.”

    Yes, oh how I know. You deal with the advances in FLOSS against the proprietary interests in detail. If a discussion isn’t going your way someone tries to derail it by declaring Linux dead on the desktop or some such nonsense.

    It’s unnecessary and disingenuous. You are simply not serious about the exchange of information and ideas. My guess is you don’t like to hear good things about FLOSS. It’s not going to hurt you. It’s not going to take your job away. Instead of going round and round why don’t you just come out and say why you hate FLOSS. Or to put it in a form that you can understand, you are just FLOSS haters. End of discussion. How do you like that? Sound familiar? It should. It’s right out of the mouth of the Cult of Microsoft.

  41. oiaohm wrote, “I hope by the time MS decided todo SMB3 they have at least got some skill of writing protocol documentation.”

    I would not be surprised if the documentation provided by M$ is deliberate disinformation. They can clearly afford the best and brightest writers.

  42. oiaohm says:

    Ivan please don’t say lies no one has stood a chance of implement SMB2 correctly from that documentation.

    The MS SMB2 documentation contains bugs compared to MS implementation of SMB2.

    Samba had implemented SMB2 to the documentation inside 12 months of it release. Reason it has not gone live is failure of real-world testing.

    Just because someone releases documentation does not mean it is correct.

    Also read that page carefully. 33 beep revisions. 7 in 2011 alone due technical content of the documentation being wrong. Who is causing all these corrections. Samba project trying to down right implement it finding bug after bug after bug in the documentation when real world testing fails for code built exactly to the documentation. This has cost the samba project many thousands of hours that MS is not paying for.

    33 reversions in 4 years correcting errors in documentation is not sign of well documented.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc246231(v=prot.13).aspx this link of yours Ivan is really proof how screwed anyone trying to implement SMB2 has really been.

    I hope by the time MS decided todo SMB3 they have at least got some skill of writing protocol documentation.

    You really need to read what you give links to far more carefully Ivan.

  43. Ivan says:

    “Then there’s SMB/CIFS which has been a moving target to mess with competition.”

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc246231(v=prot.13).aspx

    Be honest, Bob. SMB documentation is freely available to everyone, the fact that it took five years for Samba to support SMB2 (released with Vista, default on Windows 7) says more about the Samba project than it does about Microsoft.

  44. Dr Loser, last time I checked IE6 was non-compliant with a bunch of standards to the extent that the universe bent. Then there’s SMB/CIFS which has been a moving target to mess with competition. How about OOXML? M$ forced through the open standard no one needed and then made sure its product did not comply so that the world would be chasing its tail…

  45. Kozmcrae says:

    “I’m not quite sure whether I’ve made this plain, yet; but you’re a bit of a twit, aren’t you?”

    You can make it a plain as you wish.

  46. Kozmcrae says:

    “And pray tell us who the “proprietary followers” might be?”

    Take your pick. You know who they are, you just want to know who I think they are. The same ones you know them to be.

  47. Dr Loser says:

    @Koz:

    I’m not quite sure whether I’ve made this plain, yet; but you’re a bit of a twit, aren’t you?

  48. Dr Loser says:

    DENY! DENY! DENY!

    I advise you, Clarence, to take this under serious consideration. Koz is a huge beast, befanged and knowledgeable beyond all belief, and equipped with sharp teeth and vicious toenails and many other things that are, alas, hidden behind the shadows of the Brothers Grimm.

    I beseech you to take sanctuary in the Holy Church of GNU/Debian!

    Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Sanctuary!

    Sanctuary much.

    (c) Tony Hancock, circa 1955.

  49. Dr Loser says:

    @Robert:

    These “open standards” you promote. Would you care to name a few of them?

    POSIX?
    ODF?
    W3C whatever?
    RFC whatever?

    Let me know which ones Microsoft are missing out on.

    I work for them, you know. We are responsible and compliant members of the World IT Community.

    But you have a point. It’s just about possible that we’ve missed one out.

  50. Dr Loser says:

    @Koz:

    “But every day is another day of bad news for Microsoft and the other proprietary leaders.”

    And the other “proprietary leaders” would be, who?

    IBM, HP, Apple (sadly diminished since the loss of Jobs) …

    … Intel?

    … ARM?

    And pray tell us who the “proprietary followers” might be?

  51. Dr Loser says:

    @Clarence:

    Can I be your vicegerent on Earth?

    I’ve always wanted to be one of those.

    “Clarence is using an old tactic…”

    It isn’t a “tactic,” Koz. It’s the first half of a rhetorical proposition.

    “[Clarence] takes each bit of news like it was an island in a sea of proprietary wolves.”

    No, actually, he just reacts to it in situ, possibly without even thinking about the bigger picture.

    Typically, this is what happens on a blog.

    Specifically, this is why you need to apply your response to a particular point, rather than just flailing around.

    “But every day is another day of bad news for Microsoft and the other proprietary leaders.”

    Okey-dokey. I’ve got this one-sided, no cost, bet on with Robert based on 1.5% in a dismal economy. Let’s just see how that pans out next week, shall we?

    “The only people denying it are the Cult of Microsoft.”

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it then. Last time I heard, the Cult of Microsoft had a rather nasty little argument with the Scientologists. Apparently the “CoM” are now allowed to bestride the streets of Manilla and hand out free copies of GNU/Debian with an attached leaflet explaining the benefits…

    Have you checked behind the fridge, Koz?

    There are Voices there. And they are talking to You.

  52. Kozmcrae says:

    “As much as you want to believe that Apple and Microsoft will get their comeuppance, none of these actions are final nor do they materially affet the litigation’s negative effect on Android or others.”

    Clarence is using an old tactic to belittle the growing threat of FLOSS to leaders of proprietary interests. Each bit of news taken in detail is not anything to be concerned about. In detail. And that is what poor old Clarence does without fail. He takes each bit of news like it was an island in a sea of proprietary wolves.

    But every day is another day of bad news for Microsoft and the other proprietary leaders. Put all those details together they represent the slow but accelerating decline of the once great and powerful Microsoft. The only people denying it are the Cult of Microsoft.

    Deny Clarence, deny.

  53. Dr Loser says:

    Barnes and Noble?

    At this point they are practically in the hands of the administrators. Of course they’ll take any avenue out that’s available:

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/10/26/why-barnes-and-noble-will-never-be-great-again/

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/10/26/why-barnes-and-noble-will-never-be-great-again/

    It’s seriously hard to see Oracle bullying Google, or vice versa. They’re both quite mature large companies, ya know?

    Now, you might have a point regarding Apple vs Motorola (in this case Android, I believe). However:

    “This ITC case is part of a much wider offensive Apple is waging against Google’s Android smartphone OS and the manufacturers who use it.”

    My guess is that it will all be settled via royalty payments. Funny, that. Your beloved M$ has apparently shown the way out of patent hell…

  54. Clarence Moon says:

    I think you are counting your chickens before they are hatched here, Mr. Pogson. As much as you want to believe that Apple and Microsoft will get their comeuppance, none of these actions are final nor do they materially affet the litigation’s negative effect on Android or others.

    You need to wait until the fat lady starts singing.

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