Government of Paraguay Going to FLOSS in 2012

There are plenty of examples of FLOSS working for government. Paraguay has decided convert its whole IT system to FLOSS in 2012. There are plenty of reasons but lowered costs and independence from M$ are two top ones. The world can make its own IT and does not need the baggage.

Dell Paraguay, in its style, advertises Ubuntu systems but makes them difficult to checkout… Perhaps this move will smarten them up if it means being cut out of government supply.

Perhaps Lenovo will see the light, too.

More governments should set FLOSS as their default OS. I recommend the Debian GNU/Linux distro because it works for people, not against them.

see OSOR.eu

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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22 Responses to Government of Paraguay Going to FLOSS in 2012

  1. Contrarian says:

    “When you want to”

    Every once in a while you post something that is just too good to miss taking a swipe at, #oiaohm. If you would like to see more comments from me, try putting your more audacious claims at the front of your posts. I only skim the beginnings mostly. Else just keep them fairly short so that skimming gets the overall content.

  2. oiaohm says:

    Contrarian funny you said you were not responding to my posts. Apparently they are readable. When you want to.

    Of course you are not going to answer him that the reason is straight forward that the requirement was min cost.

    So MS Office and Outlook was already removed from the running. Nothing in the proposal was strange if you were thinking about context.

    Contrarian I am in Australia. So most people here are english speakers. I am an english speaker. Just have bad english.

  3. Contrarian says:

    “Was the proposal written by the intern ?”

    It may only be that the document was drafted and/or proof-read by #oiaohm!

  4. Contrarian says:

    “The world is not all english speakers.”

    Certainly not where you live, #oiaohm!

  5. oiaohm says:

    Ch the Proposal was written in 2008. While they still have some windows servers still around.

    Yes Outlook Express does not exist on Vista or Windows 7.

    The 2008 Proposal shows them messing around with this for a fair while. Also shows some unfair setups. Outlook Express vs Thunderbird is kinda unfair. Fight.

    Yes People pushing FOSS can cheat the compares just as much as the Windows ones can. Zero cost having to vs Zero Cost MS loses.

    2008 is the server room migration document and the start of test of applications for a FOSS based desktop.

    As oldman says it all about the Applications not the OS.

    If you can migrate users off windows only applications when the migration to Linux desktops comes it a walk in park since most users still know how todo there job with minor alteration for the new menu system to access the programs.

    The recent declare is the final step in the process of migrating to a FOSS desktop system.

    Correct migration to Linux the OS should be the last thing changed.

    Testing the FOSS desktop readiness is normally done on windows once you have stripped away every bar windows that does not run on Linux you are ready to migrate.

    This is where Contrarian is stuffing up. Fails to understand the Migration to Linux Process. Ie that someone is still running windows is not a sign they are not migrating.

    Sign of migration under way is reduction in non cross platform software. So places taking up thunderbird and openoffice are first steps down the migration path.

  6. Ch says:

    “see the Technical Proposal”

    Yes, the Proposal does include some half-dozen mentions of the word LINUX, however all of them are in the context of servers and typically read “You can use XYZ or LINUX for …”, not once does it say “All … should run on LINUX”.

    I especially liked the last occurence of the l-word, which happens in this bizarre statement:
    “It is recommended to use either Outlook Express (!)or Mozilla Thunderbird as e-mail-clients. Both work with Exchange (!) and SendMail on LINUX.” Was the proposal written by the intern ?

  7. oiaohm says:

    oldman if you read the tech report on plan you will see that Contrarian is just being a unreading troll.

    I know its not in english but yes Linux is mentioned to be correct a local distribution of Linux. Yes its a Linux migration.

    Oldman as you know Linux inroads in the server room is massive. Contrarian does not know this. So the shunk works working to converting desktops had converted the server room in advance. Really a lot of what you are seeing in your work is getting the ground.

    The proof of testing and everything else basically Contrarian complete statement is undone by the tech proposal.

    Sorry Contrarian get translating. Not a single word you said is true against the tech proposal.

    Really come on Contrarian you were given the proof if you cannot read it that is your problem deal with it. The world is not all english speakers.

    Robert Pogson I know it so simple to loss cool with lack of researching Contrarian.

  8. What argument? The trolls have offered nothing.

  9. oldman says:

    Pog if that is the best you can do in response haven’t you lost the areguement?

  10. Go back under the bridge, Troll.

  11. Contrarian says:

    “So the recent decision to switch to GNU/Linux has been a decade or more in coming and it is right to push forward quickly. They are overdue.”

    NOthing in the statement says anything at all about GNU/Linux or even Linux at all, #pogson. And it only says that they have been ignoring the issue for over a decade. That is certainly not “testing FLOSS and planning the migration for years”. As all the evicence shows, Paraguay today is even more Windows oriented than the USA. Let us know when there is any actual proof that they are changing.

  12. oiaohm says:

    I should have been correct serous-ally started pushing down the FOSS road in 2008.

    But yes from 1999 to 2008 it was basically a skunk works kind of project. Very little public information that they were considering it.

    This is the problem lot of FOSS migration projects are a long away along if you can find there existence.

    Does not matter next few years more of these skunk works style projects will turn up.

  13. “According to the analysis applied to the Information Technology Plan developed in the year 1999, there is in force on
    Decree No. 8887 of March 26 of 2000, where in Article 2nd. extending the Article 1st. Decree 4674 of August 11, 1999, by which “… restructuring the MSPyBS, creating within the Office of the Minister, the Centre on … …. ”
    The purpose of this decree has never been implemented, why it is recommended be effectively implemented urgently and even recommended amend the provisions of the decree, on the other to position the Directorate of Information at a less political and more administrative, such as an address General (preferably), a directorate within the SANAIS, once restructured MSPyBS and located what is now the Program SINAIS Minister as an advisory body or General Directorate or, in the third instance as a Directorate within the Directorate General of Planning, Evaluation and Monitoring, strongly related to information processing throughout the MSPyBS.”

    So, they were looking at updating IT in Health since 1999 but got nowhere. This report written in 2008 describes isolated systems, not on a network, and some still using DOS. They were seriously obsolete.

    One of the things they did at that time was to create a Director of IT for Health with these roles among several others:

    • Platform Servers
    • Platform workstations (computers and other peripherals)

    see the Technical Proposal

    So the recent decision to switch to GNU/Linux has been a decade or more in coming and it is right to push forward quickly. They are overdue.

  14. oiaohm says:

    By the way everyone due to all the Bad press around Munich and the focus on failed Linux migrations.

    Policy makers don’t like bad press. So there are a lot of Linux migrations like Paraguay that are operating like skunk works projects. Only when they are 100 percent sure they will work they will appear.

    Yes there are signs other skunk works style FOSS migrations under way in many countries. Also pressures are appearing that will make more of these projects display what they are doing.

    Yes the bad press idea to stop FOSS migrations has failed. All it has done is hide them. So they are going to appear like By the way everyone due to all the Bad press around Munich and the focus on failed Linux migrations.

    There are a lot of Linux migrations like Paraguay that are operating like skunkworks projects. Only when they are 100 percent sure they will work they will appear. So by by failure to poke fun at.

  15. oiaohm says:

    Contrarian current Paraguay define of a “exclusive basis open source software (OSS)” does include Linux at core.

    Mind you it is a far enough question. Since the BSD and other open source OS cores would also meet the base requirement. Of course that is research to read what the Paraguay government define of a exclusive basis open source software.

    “They say they can save up to $4 million if/when successful. That doesn’t sound like much money as IT money goes these days, either, and it is pie in the sky to boot.”

    Ok Contrarian lose your USA idea of money. In labour $4 million in Paraguay is somewhere between 100 million to 20 million on USA soil in final production results. Also remember 4 million is more copies of MS product in Paraguay than the USA as well. Yes the global variation in pricing of MS product and labour you are not allowing for. Now If I mentioned saving 20 million USD on USA soil would you not be interested?

    Its not pie in sky when you wake up Paraguay started down the FOSS road in 2008. With advisory to run open source where able. So yes a lot of the solutions they will now be pushing out full have been tested for over 2 years.

    Paraguay is only one of many major government projects around the world on going migrating to FOSS that no one talks about normally.

    http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/0807218_government_opensource_policies.pdf This is not a full list and its old. But it does give a good overview.

    MS Trolls like to focus on the failures. Completely disregarding the huge numbers of FOSS projects by governments that have completed without issue.

    Paraguay is the first to completely take it to the next step of mandatory country wide across all government departments. Where most others are a government department here or there with mandatory FOSS usage.

    Paraguay action is also shocking no government globally has ever mandated full closed or open source up until this point.

    Now success of Paraguay will be highly damaging to Microsoft. Other countries will be required to consider full conversions.

    Contrarian note the title on the article is Robert Pogson linked to is not incorrect. Since fully FOSS does equal Fully FOSS websites as well. For anyone not in Paraguay what is the item they will be interfacing with. The websites.

    But the title is wrong to extract from about the contents of a document. The title only gives you the abridged idea of what the document is about based on the authors bias.

    Yes it possible to badly title an article. Really go read the article Contrarian how is the author focused on websites if they only mention websites once?

    Author might have thought include websites in title would have got more attention as well.

    “The government of Paraguay has embarked on an ambitious project with the aim to implement on an exclusive basis open source software (OSS) in all government agencies in 2012.”

    That is the quote the title is based on. Basically it does not take much brains to work out title and quote don’t match so more research is required. So you go reading the source documents then the interview and you find out fairly quickly its a error to base anything off that title other than that it is a statement of fact. Ie due to everything else being FOSS so will be their websites.

    Basically trust source documents. Trust reading full articles. Don’t trust third party titles and don’t trust that titles tell the full story of document since they are attention grabbers. This is a basic rule of research by the way.

    Contrarian has no one ever pounded the basic rules of research into you? This would explain some of your repeating errors.

  16. Contrarian says:

    “They have been testing FLOSS and planning the migration for years.”

    Where does it say that? Is that just your imagination at work?

  17. They have been testing FLOSS and planning the migration for years. The plan now is to execute the plan within a year or so. It is all workable.

  18. Contrarian says:

    “Sometimes they don’t really cover the article…”

    Well, it was YOUR cite, #pogson. The article does not mention Linux at all, I might add, and the person who wrote it seems to be focused on websites. If you think that is a mistake, then why do you have any confidence in the rest of the article? They say they can save up to $4 million if/when successful. That doesn’t sound like much money as IT money goes these days, either, and it is pie in the sky to boot.

  19. Thanks for the link. At the bottom it links to an even more direct source, folks who did an interview with the man.

    Google translates:“The goal is to complete the entire 2012, the goal is to have technological sovereignty, which the State is to decide which programs are used and how they are used. The State must be the welfare of its citizens, “said Caballero. “ That’s way more than servers. “Technological sovereignty“. I like that.

  20. oiaohm says:

    Contrarian please look at the source document.
    http://www.cenatic.es/hemeroteca-de-cenatic/3-sobre-el-sector-del-sfa/39578-estado-paraguayo-busca-utilizar-solo-software-libre-para-el-2012

    Key quote translated to english by google translate.
    >”The goal is to complete the entire 2012, the goal is to have technological sovereignty, which the State is to decide which programs are used and how they are used. The State must be the welfare of its citizens, “said Caballero. <

    Yes the OSER.eu title is wrong Contrarian the source document mentions nothing about being web server only. In fact its talking in way broader terms. Core staff of 25 personal is even stated.

    From memory Contrarian you don't speak spanish. Its kinda critical with all these things to always go back to the source documents because translators have the bad habit of adding things to make what they are reading seam more believable to them.

    The scale of this is past any other Linux migration to date. Complete countries government systems.

    Sorry Contrarian is you being a idiot again not doing your homework. I guess pogson did is homework and spotted the error.

    If you had read the full OSER article as well its kinda directly displayed that is not just about web servers as well that someone has badly titled the article.

    Please learn to read more before calling pogson a fibber in future. Most of the time you are wrong Contrarian so your are fibber not pogson.

  21. There’s this about titles of articles. Sometimes they don’t really cover the article…

    “The government of Paraguay has embarked on an ambitious project with the aim to implement on an exclusive basis open source software (OSS) in all government agencies in 2012.”

    The stuff about the French Police is definitely desktop. Do you really believe the Ministry of Health uses $millions for its website licensing? You have made a shirt out of a button-hole.

  22. Contrarian says:

    The cite says:

    “Government project targets exclusive use of OSS for all government agency websites in 2012”

    So Paraguay is going to use PHP for website design by the end of next year? Or are they going to be using Apache as a webserver by then? Will they be running it on Linux? It doesn’t say, but it clearly says “websites” and not “its whole IT system”. You exagerate as usual, #pogson. The old folks would say that you found a button and sewed a shirt onto it. 🙂

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