Cablegate: “Linux is popular in Argentina due to its low cost”

This is cute. An unintended consequence of Cablegate is that we can get more or less direct evidence of the success of GNU/Linux around the world…

  • Argentina (2006)The number of PC manufacturers with sales and service networks in Argentina has increased from four to 17 in recent years. The software market is also competitive. Linux is popular in Argentina due to its low cost, and 42 percent of Argentine firms use Linux on at least some of their computers.
  • Vietnam (2004) This is a hoot!“Microsoft is worried about the interest in Linux-based systems, fearing that because it is more difficult to use, offices that officially switch to Linux will soon unofficially switch back to pirated Microsoft software.” ROFL!!! Delusional!
  • Romania (2005) to help reconstruct Iraq, Romania donates a course in GNU/Linux for 12 Iraqis in the Ministry of Defence – “1 course LINUX: 12 seats x 1.300 USD/person = 15.600 USD; “

Well, I find it interesting that the government of the USA is so intent on knowing about GNU/Linux usage around the world but I am concerned that the resources of the US government seem to be providing intelligence that benefits M$. They seem to have “separation of church and state but not separation of M$ and state”…

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17 Responses to Cablegate: “Linux is popular in Argentina due to its low cost”

  1. oiaohm says:

    Anthony John “I don’t know where you are getting the $100 per seat per year figure for Windows licenses in business.” Is my figure.

    It is what it roughly works out to of course that is over the 10 year full life of the OS if MS gets there way. Paying for extended support so that updates keep on coming.

    Remember Robert Pogson

    Windows 7 Enterprise MM/DD/YYYY 10/22/2009 release 1/13/2015 end of support you paid for when you aquired license and have 90 days to buy extended support 1/14/2020 end all support full stop.

    So price should drop since you are going to get less support as time passes for your dollar. 2012 you only have 3 year support paid for left before you should spend on extended so it should be down right cheaper if it was not MS is gorging you.

    Yes the MS con by not selling windows as a yearly support contract they get to gore people for money.

    Anthony John Of course my figure is an average. One thing that makes the average hard is that global prices are not the same.

    Current price for Windows 7 Pro OEM Australia(remember we can buy this off shelf as like a boxed copy). 169 AUD for Ultimate OEM 177
    Or we can go expensive pro 339 AUD boxed or Ultimate 355 AUD

    Reason due to fair trading laws OEM copies have to be sold to the public without any restrictions of buying hardware. Yes you can guess here in Australia almost no one buys boxed sets unless they are the 3 for 1 specials. 3 copies for the price of 1. Then they are worth buying sometimes.

    Anthony John sorry to say our Ultimate here is less than 400 dollars. Average for developed world is about 100 USD a seat per year for Windows. Of course it depends where you live if you get ripped off or not.

    Contrarian
    “Total revenues for AV products are around 3B and have been declining for the past couple of years.”
    Yet the number of viruses they have to chase down is increasing each year at a faster rate.

    Also there is a problem with your numbers 2 of the biggest sellers are missing. kaspersky anti-virus and AVG. Symantec, McAfee, and Trend Micro only have 90 percent in the USA. There are a lot of other computer markets dominated by either AVG or kaspersky.

  2. I think prices have dropped a bit to encourage migration. I see $329.95 and 349.95 for Pro and Ultimate in Canada. I have no idea what $20 buys. Probably it’s nothing I want.

    That other OS is set up to need something more to be manageable. That sells higher-priced licences. I have never met anyone who could justify paying twice for the privilege of running processes on a PC, once for the licence and again to make it manageable. With GNU/Linux you get everything for one low price.

  3. Anthony John says:

    Contrarian, I don’t know where you are getting the $100 per seat per year figure for Windows licenses in business. You do realise that most businesses do not run on ‘Home’ editions, and require the enterprise features that are not available in non-business editions? A single ‘pro’ license is over $400 US, A single ‘ultimate’ license is also over $400 US. Enterprise is only available through volume licensing deals and can run up to $1000 per seat/cpu.

  4. istok says:

    “I am concerned that the resources of the US government seem to be providing intelligence that benefits M$.”

    really? your government is nothing but a service for big businesses. or did you think it served the people? of course they care about how microsoft’s is doing.
    as a free person in an unfree country (no, not iran; not china; not north korea), i use linux first of all because it’s stable and safe but also as a statement that i do not accept any of the things microsoft stands for, technically and politically, implicitly and explicitly.

  5. Contrarian says:

    Symantec, McAfee, and Trend Micro command almost 90% of the paid-for security software market, retail and commercil combined. Symantec accounts for more than half of that total by itself. Their existence is threatened by the Microsoft Security Essentials freebie suite as well and prices for anti-virus software products have been declining. Total revenues for AV products are around 3B and have been declining for the past couple of years.

  6. twitter says:

    Windows could be gratis but it would still cost the user their freedom and privacy.

  7. oiaohm says:

    Contrarian there is a issue here. Most secuirty software sales are to the Business market. Due to the huge number of free anti-virus to the home market.

    So AV suppliers coverage is not smooth. So your compare is not exactly 100 percent not bias.

    Better way for enterprise is the average enterprise anti-malware software cost is 50 dollars a seat a year.

    Windows is about 100 dollars per year to remain current.

    Virus clear up after infections is about $69 a year a seat or approx 1-3 hours labor. This 69 number and 1-3 hours is from CERT global group deal with these issues all the time.

    So with the cost of protection and repairing failed protection vs windows cost its about 50/50 split.

    I have not included network intrusion detection software or host intrusion software in that or monitoring labor and other maintaince.

    Saying tip of iceberg is an bit over board because be a tip of iceberg you need only 1/6 to 1/9 above water as the tip and 5/6 to 8/9 under the water.

    What with everything I am not going to achieve. 1/3 windows 2/3 over-stuff to protect it and cleaning up after it would be possible. My guess is Windows is somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of the total pie.

    Basically neither of you are right. Contrarian and Robert Pogson. Its not the whole iceberg and its not the tip either. Windows a decent chunk but it is the dominate chunk but the chunk is less than 50 percent.

    Of course I missed out MS Office and user applications. Just what you have to run Windows alone secure is not that cheep. Microsoft Office starts moving the percent in MS favor across 50 percent.

  8. Contrarian says:

    “Much more is spent on IT than necessary because of M$. e.g. anti-malware”

    Not true at all, #pogson. If you add up the total revenues from security software sales for the major AV suppliers such as Symantec, McAfee, and the others, you get about one month’s worth of Windows sales. Windows is the whole iceberg, #pogson, not just the tip.

  9. Migration to GNU/Linux is not news because it is so commonplace. Denying that GNU/Linux is mainstream and growing does not make your views so. M$’s revenue is only the tip of the iceberg. Much more is spent on IT than necessary because of M$. e.g. anti-malware. That’s a huge industry only because M$ tried to stretch a single-user GUI to cover all of IT without first rewriting the basic stuff. They reinvented the wheel and made a square wheel.

  10. Contrarian says:

    “Well, I find it interesting that the government of the USA is so intent on knowing about GNU/Linux usage around the world …”

    Maybe you have been down for so long that you see every way as up, #pogson. The infrequent mention of Linux must reverberate as a chanting chorus to you somehow. The casual information in these few cables certainly does not suggest any focus of effort to track what foreign government may or may not be doing with Linux as part of an effort to assist Microsoft.

    Microsoft, at its best, gets maybe $50 in revenue due to consumer computer purchases every 5 years or so. $10 per year, #pogson, 83 cents a month. Tops. That hardly seems like something to build your life on opposing.

  11. Hatred can be rational, but hating people because they use or advocate use of GNU/Linux is not. There is no benefit to the world or to anyone except M$ if GNU/Linux goes away.

  12. oiaohm says:

    Do you want on be proving yourself as incompetent and possibly illiterate. “The Other Linus”

    Please go to wikileaks and see what cables have been released. “The Other Linus”

    Cablegate refers to lost USA diplomatic cables. So yes the newest information is 2006. But they are a interesting snapshot in time.

    But it does open a interesting question why were USA diplomats being used to report this information.

    It might be our best snapshot of what the real PC market looks like since of lot of cables are coming from countries without good internet coverage even today. Important thing you are missing what Robert Pogson is pointing out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

    Search the list no Argentina, no Vietnam, no Romania. Note that list include failed as well as successful. There is enough information that there does need to be a follow up to see what is going on now. Basically the cablegate suggests countries that have not been searched for migrations to report are worth searching.

    Basically Linux adoption in those countries is not known in most of the Linux world. Let alone broader.

    Of course the search might find successes or failures or mixture of both. We will not know until someone goes look.

    Maybe you want us not to dig and make a list of places worth looking for Linux usage?

    Note the $1300 USD is a Linux admin course. That is not the price per seat for the hardware used. That is the price to train the people. This is why you are possibly illiterate.

  13. Tar says:

    Linux and non-Linux users are both humans, having arms, legs, digits, hearts, lungs, brains, eyes, ears, mouths.

    We both breath, we feel pain, we have remorse, we feel joy, we enjoy kinship, we enjoy accomplishment, we feel frustration. We both refresh ourselves by submerging into a nutrient rich bath of clear gel.

    Then why Linux haters have problems showing unconditional love to those who choose Linux?

  14. Pogson's #1 fan says:

    Don’t let these trolls get you down bob. You’re fighting the good fight for our freedoms.

  15. The Other Linus says:

    That should be “Would that be cool with you?”

  16. The Other Linus says:

    “1 course LINUX: 12 seats x 1.300 USD/person = 15.600 USD;”

    Wow a whopping 12 seats? Year of the Linux Desktop is assured with those huge numbers! And they cost 1300 USD a piece? And you say that Windows is expensive? lol

  17. The Other Linus says:

    Wow, articles from 2004, 2005 and 2006. Once again do you have anything from this decade rather than outdated articles that are more than half a decade old?

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