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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch I have worked with Maxdb and have its source code from the time mysql ab was working on it.

Please go and look again MaxDB was LGPL and GPL at one point.  Maxdb is a fork out out of Mysql exactly like MariaDB is now.  Done by the same person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius

Most people don&#039;t know that the Max in Maxdb comes from Monty sons name.

The reality is Monty wrote the core control interfaces of both Mysql and Max db.  And he shared code between them.

Maxdb contains a Adabas D back-end in a very Mysql system.

ch I guess you did not know where the name MaxDB came from.  SapDB before MaxDB had major issues.  Basically Monty fixed this issues by replacing all the control code.  The raw storage engine was about the only thing that was good.

Mysql design has storage engines as plugins.

The problem here ch I have really worked with Maxdb and Mysql.  Over there many versions.

Gets more funny even that SAP does not officially support Mysql for some reason they still submit patches to Mysql and MariaDB.  That is in the agreement that allowed MaxDB to go closed.

Mysql code is in MaxDB.  To be correct its Michael Widenius code that is basically identical on both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch I have worked with Maxdb and have its source code from the time mysql ab was working on it.</p>
<p>Please go and look again MaxDB was LGPL and GPL at one point.  Maxdb is a fork out out of Mysql exactly like MariaDB is now.  Done by the same person.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius</a></p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t know that the Max in Maxdb comes from Monty sons name.</p>
<p>The reality is Monty wrote the core control interfaces of both Mysql and Max db.  And he shared code between them.</p>
<p>Maxdb contains a Adabas D back-end in a very Mysql system.</p>
<p>ch I guess you did not know where the name MaxDB came from.  SapDB before MaxDB had major issues.  Basically Monty fixed this issues by replacing all the control code.  The raw storage engine was about the only thing that was good.</p>
<p>Mysql design has storage engines as plugins.</p>
<p>The problem here ch I have really worked with Maxdb and Mysql.  Over there many versions.</p>
<p>Gets more funny even that SAP does not officially support Mysql for some reason they still submit patches to Mysql and MariaDB.  That is in the agreement that allowed MaxDB to go closed.</p>
<p>Mysql code is in MaxDB.  To be correct its Michael Widenius code that is basically identical on both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Both Windows and OS X – and probably even the BSDs – had had working audio for years at the time.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve never had trouble getting audio working in GNU/Linux generally. There may have been some PCs shipped with weird hardware but GNU/Linux has worked very well with industry-standard stuff. When I started with GNU/Linux there was a lot of &quot;SoundBlaster&quot; compatible units around. Now there are tons of drivers in the Linux kernel because hardware makers wanted to be included. Any such problems of course disappear when OEMs ship GNU/Linux which they mostly all do now. Even OEMs who don&#039;t openly ship GNU/Linux attest to Linux-compatibility. So, this is just more FUD, irrelevant, tired and old...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Both Windows and OS X – and probably even the BSDs – had had working audio for years at the time.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had trouble getting audio working in GNU/Linux generally. There may have been some PCs shipped with weird hardware but GNU/Linux has worked very well with industry-standard stuff. When I started with GNU/Linux there was a lot of &#8220;SoundBlaster&#8221; compatible units around. Now there are tons of drivers in the Linux kernel because hardware makers wanted to be included. Any such problems of course disappear when OEMs ship GNU/Linux which they mostly all do now. Even OEMs who don&#8217;t openly ship GNU/Linux attest to Linux-compatibility. So, this is just more FUD, irrelevant, tired and old&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;RHEL and SLES cost about the same as Windows Server&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Not even close.

Dell: Poweredge R520, Windows standard ~$1K (others up to $5K) and you only get 5 CALs (~$40 per CAL otherwise). GNU/Linux is of course ~$0 unless you need help. What&#039;s the price of that restrictive EULA? Limits on CPUs etc? SLED subscriptions start at $349 per annum. Lots of people can do without subscriptions if they have boots on the floor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;RHEL and SLES cost about the same as Windows Server&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Not even close.</p>
<p>Dell: Poweredge R520, Windows standard ~$1K (others up to $5K) and you only get 5 CALs (~$40 per CAL otherwise). GNU/Linux is of course ~$0 unless you need help. What&#8217;s the price of that restrictive EULA? Limits on CPUs etc? SLED subscriptions start at $349 per annum. Lots of people can do without subscriptions if they have boots on the floor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on M$ &#8211; Huge Corporate Waste by Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2013/05/18/m-huge-corporate-waste/#comment-119603</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 20:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch, refusing to study history, quotes the wrong decade, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;No, that’s not what happened: It was the PC makers who wanted a better deal from MS, so they installed Linux as a ploy to Twist MS’ arms.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I wrote of ~1980s when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00001.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DOS was bought by M$&lt;/a&gt; to be the OS for the IBM-compatible PC. Applications were written for it and M$ made sure they would not run well on other operating systems and made exclusive deals with OEMs. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00017.pdf&quot; title=&quot;1988 Licence for HP&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Want to sell IBM-compatible PCs&lt;/a&gt;? Ship our OS on all of them or pay per system shipped or the price goes way up...
&lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;7.2 Per-system Royalties - HP may, at its sole option, elect to pay the per-system royalty described in Exhibit C on a specific program for (Customer Systems) sold, regardless of the number of copies actually reproduced and licensed or distributed. &quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Exhibit C includes terms like $95 per-copy of OS/2 and minimum payments of the order of $hundreds of thousands, and per-copy $8-$10 for DOS, $5 for Windows, making it very expensive to ship any other OS on the bulk of systems. The per-system price is not given but if HP accepted that they would be pressured to make DOS exclusively. Some per-system prices were half what the per-copy royalty was. Applications like the office application and spreadsheet were ~$100.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00026.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another docuement&lt;/a&gt;, Kempin, urges, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Per copy prices quote at three times the per system prices.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch, refusing to study history, quotes the wrong decade, <em><font color="green">&#8220;No, that’s not what happened: It was the PC makers who wanted a better deal from MS, so they installed Linux as a ploy to Twist MS’ arms.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>I wrote of ~1980s when <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00001.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">DOS was bought by M$</a> to be the OS for the IBM-compatible PC. Applications were written for it and M$ made sure they would not run well on other operating systems and made exclusive deals with OEMs. <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00017.pdf" title="1988 Licence for HP" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Want to sell IBM-compatible PCs</a>? Ship our OS on all of them or pay per system shipped or the price goes way up&#8230;<br />
<em><font color="green">&#8220;7.2 Per-system Royalties &#8211; HP may, at its sole option, elect to pay the per-system royalty described in Exhibit C on a specific program for (Customer Systems) sold, regardless of the number of copies actually reproduced and licensed or distributed. &#8220;</font></em></p>
<p>Exhibit C includes terms like $95 per-copy of OS/2 and minimum payments of the order of $hundreds of thousands, and per-copy $8-$10 for DOS, $5 for Windows, making it very expensive to ship any other OS on the bulk of systems. The per-system price is not given but if HP accepted that they would be pressured to make DOS exclusively. Some per-system prices were half what the per-copy royalty was. Applications like the office application and spreadsheet were ~$100.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/0000/PX00026.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">another docuement</a>, Kempin, urges, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Per copy prices quote at three times the per system prices.&#8221;</font></em></p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2013/05/22/floss-in-government-3/#comment-119599</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 19:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bw wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;People who do not spend money are not part of the market and the people who market things do not have any interest in what they might do.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Nonsense. People who use any IT spend money one way or another. They are part of the market whether or not they are customers/partners/slaves of M$. IDC and M$ do care about them. M$ speaks of &quot;attach rates&quot;. IDC gives percentage growth of server shipments whether or not they bear an OS. A PC and its OS are two separate things thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_program_computer&quot; title=&quot;A stored-program computer is one which stores program instructions in electronic memory. Often the definition is extended with the requirement that the treatment of programs and data in memory be interchangeable or uniform&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;stored-programme&quot;&lt;/a&gt; computers, an ancient concept (1936). Same with servers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bw wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;People who do not spend money are not part of the market and the people who market things do not have any interest in what they might do.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Nonsense. People who use any IT spend money one way or another. They are part of the market whether or not they are customers/partners/slaves of M$. IDC and M$ do care about them. M$ speaks of &#8220;attach rates&#8221;. IDC gives percentage growth of server shipments whether or not they bear an OS. A PC and its OS are two separate things thanks to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_program_computer" title="A stored-program computer is one which stores program instructions in electronic memory. Often the definition is extended with the requirement that the treatment of programs and data in memory be interchangeable or uniform" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#8220;stored-programme&#8221;</a> computers, an ancient concept (1936). Same with servers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by bw</title>
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		<dc:creator>bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Gartner and IDC (usually) count revenue-share which grossly undercounts GNU/Linux&quot;

That is because commercial entities are only interested in the commerce available.  They are not interested in those who do not see any point in spending money to obtain something that does not provide any value.  Their salvation lies in the obvious fact that many companies will spend tens of billions of dollars annually on client OS, office automation, and central servers and service software.

People who do not spend money are not part of the market and the people who market things do not have any interest in what they might do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gartner and IDC (usually) count revenue-share which grossly undercounts GNU/Linux&#8221;</p>
<p>That is because commercial entities are only interested in the commerce available.  They are not interested in those who do not see any point in spending money to obtain something that does not provide any value.  Their salvation lies in the obvious fact that many companies will spend tens of billions of dollars annually on client OS, office automation, and central servers and service software.</p>
<p>People who do not spend money are not part of the market and the people who market things do not have any interest in what they might do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by ch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have worked with SQL Server and Oracle&quot;

Yeah, sure ...

&quot;First it merges into Mysql than it forks out of it.&quot;

Nope. Hint: You are confusing MySQL AB the Company and MySQL the product. Now read again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have worked with SQL Server and Oracle&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, sure &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;First it merges into Mysql than it forks out of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. Hint: You are confusing MySQL AB the Company and MySQL the product. Now read again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 15:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch I have worked with SQL Server and Oracle.  I like Orcale  more than SQL Server.  Paging data out of SQL Server select is down right horible.  Its is really that hard to implement a sql limit command or at least rownums results filtering.

If you go back you will find SAP MaxDB is a Mysql fork.

History of MaxDB is warped.

First it merges into Mysql than it forks out of it.

ch it’s derived from Adabas is correct as well.

Problem is both statements are correct fork of Mysql and a derived of Adabas.  MaxDB still has some Mysql control commands.

When a fork happens it can merge with other items at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch I have worked with SQL Server and Oracle.  I like Orcale  more than SQL Server.  Paging data out of SQL Server select is down right horible.  Its is really that hard to implement a sql limit command or at least rownums results filtering.</p>
<p>If you go back you will find SAP MaxDB is a Mysql fork.</p>
<p>History of MaxDB is warped.</p>
<p>First it merges into Mysql than it forks out of it.</p>
<p>ch it’s derived from Adabas is correct as well.</p>
<p>Problem is both statements are correct fork of Mysql and a derived of Adabas.  MaxDB still has some Mysql control commands.</p>
<p>When a fork happens it can merge with other items at the same time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FLOSS in Government by ch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ok what is Maxdb. Its a fork of Mysql.&quot;


No, it&#039;s derived from Adabas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB

So who is the moron here?

&quot;Reality you don’t use Microsoft Database unless you have to. It suxs too much.&quot;

Come back when you have actually worked with SQL Server (and Oracle, for that matter).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ok what is Maxdb. Its a fork of Mysql.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s derived from Adabas:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB</a></p>
<p>So who is the moron here?</p>
<p>&#8220;Reality you don’t use Microsoft Database unless you have to. It suxs too much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come back when you have actually worked with SQL Server (and Oracle, for that matter).</p>
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		<title>Comment on M$ &#8211; Huge Corporate Waste by oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ch to what is the video card in that netbook.

If its a Intel video card Windows 8 should be running rings around Linux..

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&amp;item=intel_snb_osx1304&amp;num=1

Only recently has the Linux Intel drivers got enough TCL to start performing decently.  Even so this is still slower than the Windows video card drivers for Intel video cards.

Yes KDE does depend on opengl acceleration to run well.  Windows 8 depends on direct x acceleration.

So if its head to head and the video card is Intel then something else where must be ruining Windows 8 performance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch to what is the video card in that netbook.</p>
<p>If its a Intel video card Windows 8 should be running rings around Linux..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&#038;item=intel_snb_osx1304&#038;num=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&#038;item=intel_snb_osx1304&#038;num=1</a></p>
<p>Only recently has the Linux Intel drivers got enough TCL to start performing decently.  Even so this is still slower than the Windows video card drivers for Intel video cards.</p>
<p>Yes KDE does depend on opengl acceleration to run well.  Windows 8 depends on direct x acceleration.</p>
<p>So if its head to head and the video card is Intel then something else where must be ruining Windows 8 performance.</p>
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