Ford At A Fork In The Road Goes The Wrong Way

“Ford today announced it will phase out most cars it sells in North America. According to its latest financial release, the auto giant “will transition to two vehicles” — the Mustang and an unannounced vehicle, the Focus Active, being the only traditional cars it sells in the region. Ford sees 90 percent of its North America portfolio in trucks, utilities and commercial vehicles. Citing a reduction in consumer demand and product profitability, Ford is in turn not investing in the next generation of sedans. The Taurus is no more.”
 
See Ford to stop selling every car in North America but the Mustang and Focus Active
Well. Ford is a pillar of USAian auto-making. They’ve seen the writing on the wall. Folks aren’t buying the big old gas-guzzling clunkers the way they used to buy them. Unfortunately, Ford has translated the words into “make trucks and SUVs”… Are they overlooking EVs? It’s efficiency people want. There’s nothing more efficient than an EV. 20 years ago, people made the move from big V8 cars to small 4-cylinder cars. That change almost killed USAian auto-making except for Obama’s bailout loans.

Has Ford learned nothing from this process? Sure the SUVs and trucks are more profitable but they are way more expensive and hard to maintain for consumers than the EVs. It’s the 21st century and people want the convenience of the smartphone in their personal transportation. People aren’t hauling gravel in their personal vehicles much. People aren’t pulling stumps with their personal vehicles. Mostly, people want to get from A to B efficiently. EVs do that, not trucks. Ford does make the Focus EV. Whither goes it? Has Ford forgotten that most of us live in or near cities, not out in the bush?

It could be that Ford is just giving up on the personal car and this is a polite wave at the exit. Perhaps trucks are their thing. This is a missed opportunity. Ford could make nifty EVs if they wanted. They just don’t want to do that. Time to sell shares in Ford. Prices have been drifting down since the EVs took off. Instead of joining the fight Ford is running away. Sad.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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52 Responses to Ford At A Fork In The Road Goes The Wrong Way

  1. DrLoser says:

    I think I’m going to pick the less eyeball-rolling strategy with you rposts, oiaohm: namely, just quote the first sentence and demolish it.

    Study of DNA there is no difference between humans and farmyard animals exactly the same terms are used.

    And yet there are, according to you, twelve distinct DNA groups in the Aboriginal population of Australai. Which conveniently translates to exactly twelve separate “migrations.”

    As a farmyard animal, which I presume you consider yourself to be on the evidence of DNA alone, how do you feel about this?

    Basically DrLoser was taught a word was offensive when its not if used correctly.

    I wasn’t “taught” anything, oiaohm. “Blackfella” is an offensive term. You can spin it any way you like, although you seem to need ever more convoluted backing stories, but it’s offensive.

    And racist, you little Prussian slut.

  2. oiaohm says:

    You are free to pick insanely, oiaohm, but most of us prefer the evidence in front of us. Yes, there are tribal distinctions (basically cultural, not DNA). Yes, there are tribal limitations to “inter-breeding”, which is a nice little racist way of comparing human tribal groups to, say, farmyard animals,

    Study of DNA there is no difference between humans and farmyard animals exactly the same terms are used.
    http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/14-interbreeding-neanderthals
    Basically complaining about the term interbreeding shows that DrLoser is a total moron on this topic.

    DrLoser pick up a full Macquarie Dictionary look up the word blackfella and find its not insulting it clearly the northern tribes. Blackfella from the Northern Australian tribes version of english. University Of New England was also the first to start doing the DNA profile of the natives of Australia to answer questions on number of migrations that study lead to finding the history war and explained the facial difference between northern and southern . Yes skulls had been collected by really early parties because the different was so stand out.

    The reality here if you had picked up the formal Australian Dictionary you would have know that Blackfella is not a insulting term. You would also find Whitefella is also in the Dictionary.

    There are two panglish forms of english with the Australian Aboriginal. Those are Northern Australian Aboriginal English and Southern Australian Aboriginal English there is no Central. The school teachers who taught Central came from Northern. Yes there is a word in Southern Australian Aboriginal English that if you call a Northern Australian Aboriginal that they will be offended as well because its the same problem you would be calling them Southern. Really this is not much different to calling a Frenchman an Englishman same kind of problem.

    Basically DrLoser was taught a word was offensive when its not if used correctly. Most likely DrLoser has learn the word that Southern Australian Aboriginal English uses as a generic term for their group that would upset Northern as well.

  3. DrLoser says:

    Please note picking between central and northern is insanely hard due to the fact those did in fact interbreed.

    You are free to pick insanely, oiaohm, but most of us prefer the evidence in front of us. Yes, there are tribal distinctions (basically cultural, not DNA). Yes, there are tribal limitations to “inter-breeding”, which is a nice little racist way of comparing human tribal groups to, say, farmyard animals,

    But, you know, sex is sex. And regrettably for your silly little thesis, Northern, Central, and Southern Aboriginal tribes do indeed do the naughty with each other.

    As you pointed out.

  4. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser this is your problem the face difference is because of the DNA difference. There are at least 12 major DNA groups in the Australian Aboriginal population. This shows you that there were at least 12 different migrations to Australia.

    Yadda yadda yadda. No cite, no proof. And wildly waving your hands in the direction of “DNA difference,” which on its own means nothing at all, doesn’t help plead your case.

    Not that it relates in any way to your “northern versus southern” case, which was your original theory. You’re a liar and a scumbag, oiaohm, but at least for the love of God stop calling any Aboriginal a “blackfella.”

    At least that way I won’t be able to call you the racist that you otherwise very obviously are.

  5. oiaohm says:

    And before you mention it, I am well aware that there are three basic Aboriginal cultural areas: Northern, Central, and Southern. I stress “cultural” here. Not, even in your diseased imagination, “racial.”)

    DrLoser this is your problem the face difference is because of the DNA difference. There are at least 12 major DNA groups in the Australian Aboriginal population. This shows you that there were at least 12 different migrations to Australia.

    Those cultural area differences are partly based on what migration groups they were and where wars happened between the groups.

    Reality is the Aboriginal population of Australia was made up of many independent nations with many of them so far at war they would not interbreed with each other until after well after white settlement even today it can still cause being disowned with some tribes. This creates the facial difference between Northern and Southern tribes. Please note picking between central and northern is insanely hard due to the fact those did in fact interbreed. Most of the wars before white settlement was on the east coast between the north and south populations on the east coast these are wars that run for over 10000 years in forms of small battles when every they saw each other. Some areas in the battle came no go zone due to volacatic events and this allows dating how long the wars had been running due to how long those volcano have been inactive. Funny part was these wars were really red vs blue. As on one side being the notherners used red color to mark their members and southerns used blue color to mark their members. The major battle line was in fact in the north part of NSW. Interesting enough the university you say I went to is on the northern tribes side of the old battle line so you should have been expecting me to use northern tribe terminology.

    DrLoser most people are not aware of the war between northern and southern tribes. This is why addressing a southern as a northern is big trouble. Same with using the southern term for each other for a northern. These is not a insulting term if used on the right population.

  6. DrLoser says:

    And before you mention it, I am well aware that there are three basic Aboriginal cultural areas: Northern, Central, and Southern. I stress “cultural” here. Not, even in your diseased imagination, “racial.”)

  7. DrLoser says:

    Basically Redfern you would have been mostly all the southerns of the Aboriginal tribes they have a different face shapes in general and you just called him a northerner. Its not that the term Blackfella offensive. DrLoser its basically the same as calling your a Blackfella when you would be a whitefella to the southern. Basically its not a generally offensive term it is offensive if you call the wrong person blackfella you can have problems. To use blackfella correct you have to know its origin.

    You just can’t help yourself, can you, oiaohm? “Different face shapes” indeed. “Southerns” indeed. As used by a pasty white bloke, the term is offensive (and racially so), mate.

    My language shows markings of northern Australia

    It certainly shows “markings” of a sort. I see them more as “foulings.” Now, I never suggested you were from NSW (although you did go to uni there), but leaving that to one side — it renders what little argument you have irrelevant — perhaps you could explain these “markings” to us?

  8. An Out Of Phase Transistor says:

    So glad that the Spirit of Ayn Rand is with us, channelled by the usuals.

    Look here folks, either the govt. regulates like crazy (including, but not limited to: product modifications, investment flow redirections, wealth transfers, etc.) or you’re going to get 1%/10%/90% distribution, the super-rich, their lackeys and the unworthy.

    In an automated, industrialised, world that inevitably leads to genocidal policies as the 1%/10% do not need the remaining 90%.

    Said genocidal policies (usually soft-genocide, i.e. low welfare, limited housing, toxic food, constant denigration, etc.) lead to two outcomes:

    a) civil war, once “the undeserving” see thru the lies and realise it’s never going to get any better (or, more likely, when they have nothing left to lose) and

    b) state warfare, once the supremacist/racist/darwinist policies (needed to get the “soft-genocide” anti-poor political programs adopted and executed) take complete hold of the political space.

    World War II, Holocaust, etc., were just a normal consequence of the previous era of neo-liberalism (and yes it was “neo-liberal” even back then); they will happen again, in a more modern form, if the current political and cultural climate doesn’t change.

    To be honest we’re extremely close as it is.

    So, to the local Randroid fanboise I say this: if you want to die so much, why not just kill yourself, and leave the rest of us to live in peace, eh?

    Too much to ask, I know.

    Oh well, hope you enjoy it, when the sh** finally hits the fan (spoiler: you won’t).

  9. Ivan says:

    Let the industry “collapse” then. If the video game industry hadn’t “collapsed” in North America once, we ‘d still have Atari peddling ET: The Extraterrestrial 12.

    That’s a wonderful false equivalence. From the “nationalist” immigrant.

    You are confusing her marketing libertarianism to other people with her actually being libertarian.

    You’re a moron confusing Objectivism with libertarianism.

    I am not a globalist Libertarian, I am a nationalist.

    You’re also white, so unless you want to be lumped in with Petey Junior, you might want to rethink calling yourself that.

    I do not confuse private companies with national pride and don’t consider any private company vital to a nation’s economy in the long term.

    For someone spending an inordinate amount of time arguing against welfare programs you certainly spend a lot of time arguing to put people on welfare.

  10. oiaohm says:

    I dare you to go down to a bar in Redfern, sit next to one of the locals, and call him a “blackfella.”

    It’s been about as offensive term as you can use down there for as far back as when I lived in Kirribilli, which is going on for thirty years. It’s OK to use the phrase if you’re of aboriginal descent, but I would guess not if you’re basically Prussian.

    DrLoser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfella/Whitefella
    There is a problem. Blackfella and Whitefella is based on native words from northern Australian Aboriginal language. Before the song what was 1985 the southern languages use to take offense at the term. These days they take it as calling them northern when they are southern so you don’t know anything about them before calling them something. Yes there are long list of words that are acceptable to call southern that if you call a northern that you head is going to be reshaped as well.

    Basically Redfern you would have been mostly all the southerns of the Aboriginal tribes they have a different face shapes in general and you just called him a northerner. Its not that the term Blackfella offensive. DrLoser its basically the same as calling your a Blackfella when you would be a whitefella to the southern. Basically its not a generally offensive term it is offensive if you call the wrong person blackfella you can have problems. To use blackfella correct you have to know its origin.

    Now you should also see another mistake you have been making you have been saying I was from NSW. My language shows markings of northern Australia so clearly not NSW.

    State of origin foot ball game between Queensland and New South Wales team colors in fact relate to the different in message stick symbol colors between the northern and southern tribes on the east coast. East cost northern tribes on the east coast would use a red pigment from particular soil types and East cost southern used a blue pigment from from particular plants an insects. Yes there are slang around that game as well some of it based difference between the north and south tribes.

    DrLoser you are not alone as been a person who came here from overseas who thinks particular terms are in fact offensive when they are not. Instead some terms you have to be careful to call the right group of natives them. In fact if a northern calls you whitefella and you don’t use blackfella or the correct native language word for their skin color you have now just offended them. The northern native languages has 5 different names for darkness of skin color and darkness of skin color did effect what roles you would be good at and in croc country it could be the difference if you stayed alive at times. There usage requirements on particular words not to offend particular groups while other groups been called those terms will offend them.

    So welcome to fun of language in Australia. Where you can get you head bashed in for using a particulars terms with a particular meaning incorrectly and you can get you head bashed in for not using the same terms as well for not using a culturally acceptable greeting. Either way you have a very offended person on your hands and know the background of the terms helps you say sorry no offense was meant or pick up the ques when you should use the terms for your own safety.

  11. Grece says:

    I dare oiaohm to visit Londonstan, and cry out that Mohammedans are to be saved by the blood of Christ.

  12. DrLoser says:

    blackfella is not a insulting term in Australia grece as it comes from Aboriginal English as that is closer to how their native tough describes themselves.

    Well, that’s one (the least interesting) question answered.

    I dare you to go down to a bar in Redfern, sit next to one of the locals, and call him a “blackfella.”

    It’s been about as offensive term as you can use down there for as far back as when I lived in Kirribilli, which is going on for thirty years. It’s OK to use the phrase if you’re of aboriginal descent, but I would guess not if you’re basically Prussian.

  13. DrLoser says:

    DrLoser it was a case of the real fifi not being Australian. I used word that are perfect acceptable in Australian culture even to the indigenous and fifi ripped into me.

    Fascinating, oiaohm. Do please expand upon this subject.

    This may have been one of those rare occasions where you’ve lost the link, so perhaps you can provide some context.

    1) Who is “fifi?”
    2) How do you know that “fifi” is not Australian?
    3) When did this conversation (presumed on-line, although to be fair you didn’t say) take place?
    4) Assuming on-line, where did it take place?
    5) Since these terms are avowedly non-racist, even to aboriginals, could I beg your permission to reproduce them here?

    I ask these questions of you, oioahm, because I know you appreciate the chance to answer questions when properly addressed as oiaohm.

    One or two answers would be nice for starters. I don’t want to put you under any burden.

  14. oiaohm says:

    http://theconversation.com/my-genes-made-me-do-it-the-problem-of-genetic-evidence-and-diminished-culpability-51127
    By the way the reason why different groups do different crimes at different rates is partly made up to the genes that make up their communities.

    Please note you DNA alone does not make your a criminal. Its your DNA with how your are educated and environment that make you a criminal or not.

    Everyone know of people who are passive drunks and violent drunks that is mostly genetic. Yes the rates of that alter based on what people call race what mostly a group with a common genetic ancestors with a particular probability to have particular genetic issues.

    Also you have to remember particular races have advantages in speed genetically. This is also kind of helpful for crime. Being slow and getting caught kind of means not being an effective offender in a lot of cases.

    USA poor education in poorer areas. Combined with the general advantages those with Africa background have over most of the people with European back ground. Then combined with high drug usage and distribution. You kind of have a perfect storm to have large volume of petty criminals.

    Yes lack of general physical ability other than endurance compared to most other genetic backgrounds and lots of education also explains why those with European backgrounds are higher in the white collar crime in the USA.

    Like it or not there is a link between genetics and the styles of crime a person is likely to commit. Of course this does not mean any race group is more or less likely to commit crime over all. But different types of crimes are punished differently like most white collar crime are fines and the like with high number not recorded. Where most petty crimes are jail time and recorded more often. So unless you really look at total crime you can see a bias one way or the other. Of course some cases the bias is caused by environment like poor education on top of genetics.

    These days we know so much about it. But we still see lot of country wide education systems around the world not being based on what we know about genetics and education. Of course worse countries not waking up that particular types of crimes can be reduced with quality education.

  15. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr get it right is DrLoser who started talking about blacks and whites. So now you are attempting to blame DrLosers actions on Fifi and Petey. Please redo you question and now direct it at the correct person kurkosdr.

    I have friends located in Australia and New Zealand, and what you just stated is pure rubbish; along with everything else you have ever stated here, nonsensical tripe.
    blackfella is not a insulting term in Australia grece as it comes from Aboriginal English as that is closer to how their native tough describes themselves. There are a few places were calling person a blackfella is classed as racist because it too close to another insulting term. That is where the real fifi is from.

    Just because you have friend in Australian and New Zealand does not mean they don’t avoid using some of the Australian acceptable language with you.

  16. Grece says:

    I used word that are perfect acceptable in Australian culture even to the indigenous and fifi ripped into me. The real fifi is where I learn about some of the global differences on word usage.

    I have friends located in Australia and New Zealand, and what you just stated is pure rubbish; along with everything else you have ever stated here, nonsensical tripe.

  17. Grece says:

    The majority of pensions are all bankrupt.

    Welfare is routinely abused, but Trump has quietly signed an executive order, directing federal agencies to strengthen the work requirements for various welfare programs. The move could eventually affect recipients of Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance and cash welfare.

    People on welfare, normally just sell the benefits for smokes and liquor anyways.

  18. kurkosdr says:

    BTW, Fifi (Petey) hasn’t adequately explained how a welfare system ripe for exploitation is magically abused by “blacks” and not by “whites” (gaud I hate such artificial divisions, I thought they were both US citizens). The real issue here is that the government should not provide welfare or pensions. The government should 1) regulate private companies 2)make sure banks can’t blackmail governments for bailouts by holding citizens’ deposits hostage (Glass-Steagall comes to mind) and provide security from individual-level and state-level threats. Pension insurance should be mandatory if you have a job but not provided or subsidized by the state. No, we don’t need state funded (and state guided) education either.

  19. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser it was a case of the real fifi not being Australian. I used word that are perfect acceptable in Australian culture even to the indigenous and fifi ripped into me. The real fifi is where I learn about some of the global differences on word usage.

    So there has been a real user of the fifi handle. Until you high jacked for insulting people with DrLoser.

    An Out Of Phase Transistor and DrLoser both jump to that if you have been accused of being racist that you have been. This is of course shows there lack of understand of errors between cultures.

  20. kurkosdr says:

    Let’s just ignore that Ford was only at the bailout table to prevent a total collapse of the industry which would have affected their business and focus on your psychotic, anti-blue-collar babbling.</strong

    Let the industry "collapse" then. If the video game industry hadn't "collapsed" in North America once, we 'd still have Atari peddling ET: The Extraterrestrial 12.

    BTW:
    1) Ayn Rand was a secret welfare queen and had the government pay for the lung cancer treatment she needed because of her obsessive chain-smoking. You are confusing her marketing libertarianism to other people with her actually being libertarian.

    2) I am not a globalist Libertarian, I am a nationalist. But unlike many people, I do not confuse private companies with national pride and don't consider any private company vital to a nation's economy in the long term. Private companies should be allowed to flourish or fail with just-enough regulation to keep the public protected. Detroit car companies chose to fail because they chose to pursue short-term fads like SUVs instead of doing the boring and less margin-rich task of building small and midsize cars people buy all year every year. No private company is special, let them flourish or fail.

  21. Ivan says:

    How does Detroit fail?

    By not being able to meet the tax incentives other communities offered to relocate factories, all of which had moved before Clinton was in office or NAFTA was even signed.

    How does Asian people be white collar? Asian people focus in education, always.

    Damn son, that is some stupid shit you just said.

    Anyway, I’ll be sure to ask the Menace of Destruction members selling drugs in the area if education has allowed them to corner the market from the Vice Lords.

  22. Ivan says:

    Why even bother, Ivan?

    I blame tequila.

  23. DrLoser says:

    The one thing fifi was known for was being anti racist stuff. What over 10 years you have forgotten that fact. It was one thing the real fifi told me off for.

    The “real” Fifi

    What sort of fresh nonsense is this, oiaohm?

    I take it that, not being the “real” Fifi, you are now acknowledging that (some time in the last ten years) you were, indeed, a racist, and the “real” Fifi “told you off.”

    Am I missing a logical step in analysing your own justification here, oiaohm?

  24. DrLoser says:

    Incidentally, the answer to my question “Which group of immigrants contributes more, per capita, to the UK economy” is … surprise! … Nigerians.

    This may come as something of a surprise to certain nincompoops, but actually if you choose a different axis of enquiry — not black vs white, but “what was society like where these guys came from?” — it shouldn’t be too hard to work out why.

  25. DrLoser says:

    And, further to back Robert up here. In order to make wild claims about different “populations” — I use the term here in its statistical sense — you have to control for externalities. Poverty, education, being segregated into ghettos, that sort of thing.

    Here’s a good way to test “blacks lazy and bad: whites industrious and good.” We shall narrow down the field of enquiry to dentistry.

    That’s right: Anglo dentists vs African-American dentists. I’m pretty sure the crime rate (indeed pretty much any rate) shows a statistically insignificant correlation between the two.

    And not even joepeatf would claim that, say, truck drivers are morally inferior, intellectually sub-normal, lazy psychopaths compared to dentists, simply because they are truck drivers and not dentists.

  26. DrLoser says:

    It takes a racist to make a statement like that. ie. Assuming people are people, good, bad and ugly, a race should not be capable of being more criminal than another.

    Thank you, Robert. It may not always be obvious, but I do appreciate it when you show your rational and humane side.

    (The actual way to demolish this particular racist argument, btw, is to point out that, for unfortunate reasons, poor people — disproportionately black in America — tend to commit more crime, and various jurisdictions — not all in the Deep South — tend to arrest and convict blacks more than whites, “just because, well, look at the statistics, it’s obvious.” But I’m adding this as a reinforcement of your basic point. Your basic point is fine as it stands.)

  27. An Out Of Phase Transistor says:

    Well I’m glad to know our Hammie is a closet (well…) racist; you’d think that hamsters wouldn’t be (after all, africans are a highly intelligent life form compared to rodents), but there you go.

    Look Hammie, it’s one thing to say that you don’t like other people, can’t accost you there, it’s just a personal choice (and it won’t go away will it?, so no point in pointing things out, is it?), however going from your personal preference all the way to constructing derogatory fantasies and presenting them as factual realities is some really ugly behaviour.

    Ugly, or stupid, or both.

    You’ve managed to stoop down a mile or two over the course of a few short posts Hammie, quite incredible, even for you.

  28. joepeatf wrote, ” I am not racist I respect black people however black race more likely to go to prison hence black people do more crime.”

    It takes a racist to make a statement like that. ie. Assuming people are people, good, bad and ugly, a race should not be capable of being more criminal than another. We all start in the world “mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms“. A racist on the other hand is quite capable of lumping good, bad and ugly people into one group, “other”, and condemn them. Claiming statistics bears out such beliefs is just confirmation bias. Racists also arrest, kill, convict and sentence “others” more severely and frequently.

    The mere concept of race is racist. We are all humans. Skin colour or facial features are merely accidents of birth/history/geneology and do not reflect any intrinsic merit in a person. In the past, humans tended to live closely with their neighbours and certain genes concentrated regionally but no more. A person can be born on one side of Earth and live and propagate elsewhere. Race is a relic of the past if it ever was a valid concept. My wife is filipino. She has asian, polynesian, Spanish and USAian genes. I was born in Canada. I have French, English and German genes. What race are my children? No one can say because race is not a thing.

  29. joepeatf says:

    Nope, wrong, Fifi. You lazy racist git.
    What is the answer “nationality” that actually contributes the most to the UK economy ?

    I am not lazy, I have bacheler computer science. I am not racist I respect black people however black race more likely to go to prison hence black people do more crime. It is statistic Loser, I am not racist

  30. oiaohm says:

    Really Drloser with your repsonse to rasism its close to the real fifi. So one possibility is that you are calling everyone Fifi to attempt to distance yourself from a past alterego.

  31. oiaohm says:

    Dr Loser when have I ever highlighted words with “” its not just commas.

    Like it or not you have two totally different people. The person who the fifi handle owns would be greatly annoyed by you usage DrLoser. The one thing fifi was known for was being anti racist stuff. What over 10 years you have forgotten that fact. It was one thing the real fifi told me off for.

  32. Dr Loser says:

    A lot of liberal idiots believe black is discriminated however Asian immigrants go to USA same “discriminated” however Asian more money then black liberals hence USA not have racism liberal is racist actually

    Apparently, when justifiably accused of being a racist, Fifi, you completely forget to add in the commas to your “altered ego.”

    Now, isn’t that special? (Dances Church Lady Dance of Superiority.)

  33. Dr Loser says:

    Indians+white South Africans (90% Dutch or UK heritage)

    They contributes the most to the UK economy

    Nope, wrong, Fifi. You lazy racist git.

  34. joepeatf says:

    Of course, the question as to whether Fifi considers Indians to be “not always, but mostly, lazy nig-nogs” has yet to be answered.

    Over to you, Fifi.
    PeterLoser not read my post correct

    joepeatf

    Black people not all are lazy, however most Black people are lazy. How does Asian people be white collar? Asian people focus in education, always

    A lot of liberal idiots believe black is discriminated however Asian immigrants go to USA same “discriminated” however Asian more money then black liberals hence USA not have racism liberal is racist actually

  35. joepeatf says:

    So I’ll pose a little question (I got the answer wrong myself). Here’s a list of recent large-scale immigrants to the UK, in alphabetical order:

    1) Indians
    2) Italians
    3) Nigerians
    4) Poles
    5) Romanians
    6) South Africans (90% Dutch or UK heritage)

    Go ahead. Pick the “nationality” that actually contributes the most to the UK economy within two years of living here.
    Indians+white South Africans (90% Dutch or UK heritage)

    They contributes the most to the UK economy

    Indian is Asian, they have a lot of education. Indians, they are smartest computer science. For example I have bacheler computer science degree

    South Africans whites go to UK… South Africans government is corrupt. I believe he use discrimination law against white hence go to UK,
    PeterLoser I can put a link to evidence?

    Nigerians immigrants is lazy

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html
    Italians+EU is liberal idiots abuse government handouts always, I believe EU use Sharia law in few place.

    Today, Sharia law is taking root in Germany, Sweden and other European nations that threw open their doors to Muslim refugees, who are forming “Sharia Police” (left, Wuppertal, Germany) to patrol, impose and enforce Sharia law on their host nations’ streets.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe_(2014–present)
    Since 2014, more than 300 people have been killed in Europe by Islamic terrorists
    Europe have to close border

  36. oiaohm says:

    Petey, sans Google you would be a worthless lot.

    That EV camper is in conccept only, just like Pogson SOLO. To top it off, there is no provision to mount a gooseneck trailer, so that makes it practically worthless.
    Grece that concept was built on standard chassis. There are a few grey nomads in Australia who travel in campers all the time who have done the same kind of conversion. You mention the gooseneck trailer. This is where one is warped because the fuel based generator is in the trailer for long haul.

    There are a lot of non commercial one off electrics conversions out there.

    Start looking around grece you will find there are a lot of conversions in this direction. Where they start with standard fuel based because that is what they have then retro fit them.

    Grece the googled up link gave you basically what you see and what kind of exists. Yes that USA guy says its a prototype problem is what he as done is a prototype you in fact see equal on the roads over here. You have to remember Australia hosts the World Solar Challenge. At the end of that race there can be quite a few cars that go to scrap yard. So quite cheap source of materials yes it has resulted in a few being a mix of generations of solar panels.

  37. DrLoser says:

    Of course, the question as to whether Fifi considers Indians to be “not always, but mostly, lazy nig-nogs” has yet to be answered.

    Over to you, Fifi.

  38. DrLoser says:

    Indians do not qualify as the most ancient “culture” of them all.
    To be fair, Indian immigrants have been a massive contribution to the UK economy, so you’re not that far off.

  39. Deaf Spy says:

    Indians?

  40. DrLoser says:

    No, wait. Simply pissing over joepeatf will not do here. I’d like to reach out to actual, intelligent, humans, who like me have certain prejudices that may or may not be justified.

    So I’ll pose a little question (I got the answer wrong myself). Here’s a list of recent large-scale immigrants to the UK, in alphabetical order:

    1) Indians
    2) Italians
    3) Nigerians
    4) Poles
    5) Romanians
    6) South Africans (90% Dutch or UK heritage)

    Go ahead. Pick the “nationality” that actually contributes the most to the UK economy within two years of living here.

  41. DrLoser says:

    Black people not all are lazy, however most Black people are lazy. How does Asian people be white collar? Asian people focus in education, always.

    Sorry, Fifi, but swapping from one form of racism (anti-Semitism) to another (“black people are lazy”) doesn’t actually make you any less of an obnoxious ignorant twerp.

  42. DrLoser says:

    Clear. Market.

    Why even bother, Ivan? Pretty much nobody else here has the elementary grasp of macro-economics that would help them to understand this fairly obvious concept.

  43. Grece says:

    Petey, sans Google you would be a worthless lot.

    That EV camper is in conccept only, just like Pogson SOLO. To top it off, there is no provision to mount a gooseneck trailer, so that makes it practically worthless.

  44. joepeatf says:

    Thank you, Ayn Rand. Let’s just ignore that Ford was only at the bailout table to prevent a total collapse of the industry which would have affected their business and focus on your psychotic, anti-blue-collar babbling.

    Nah, you actually have less insight than Bob.
    Kurkosdr is correct, blue-collars are a lot of black people basically. Always, black people abuse food stamps, government handouts and protest placards hence they make traffic.

    How does Detroit fail? It use to have a lot of manufacture jobs, however globalization stole jobs. All manufacture jobs in China, plus Bill Clinton sign NAFTA(Mexico+Canada). USA is a loser now, they import always, however no export. Hence, USA has a lot of debt. Government spend spend spend.

    All Detroit is black people now, they are lazy idiots. City never will be great again since liberal idiots do not get a job, they live in government handouts.

    Black people not all are lazy, however most Black people are lazy. How does Asian people be white collar? Asian people focus in education, always.

  45. Ivan says:

    Thank you, Ayn Rand. Let’s just ignore that Ford was only at the bailout table to prevent a total collapse of the industry which would have affected their business and focus on your psychotic, anti-blue-collar babbling.

    Nah, you actually have less insight than Bob.

  46. kurkosdr says:

    This is what you get when you let the government people pock their prongs at the free market.

    You see, instead of letting the 2008 recession do its job (that is, thin the herd so the strongest players can survive and acquire the assets of the weakest), the government instead decided to “save” every single domestic automaker in full. The result was a somewhat predictable replay of British Leyland: All the “saved” companies sinking one by one. Chrysler is already out of the critical small and midsize market, and so is Ford apparently (with the exception of the Focus, while it lasts). General Motors isn’t doing great in those segments either. Basically they are all slowly becoming specialist manufacturers of Pickups and muscle cars, much like British Leyland in its final years became a specialist manufacturer of Jaguars, MGs and Minis.

    The problem is that, once the next technological wave comes, the big 3 won’t have much money to invest in R&D (not being a full line-up automaker), which means they have to be bought by another company with a full line-up (I agree with Pog that electric technology will be that next wave). Ford already has the template from Volvo.

  47. Ivan says:

    Clear. Market.

  48. oiaohm says:

    https://grist.org/living/this-floating-electric-amphicar-could-save-you-from-the-next-tsunami/
    Ivan if you want a EV amphicar you can buy it today. They do have their uses on islands.

  49. Ivan says:

    Hey, Bob, maybe you should pitch an EV Amphicar to Electra Meccanica so you can drive to Australia and smack Petey down. There is a clear market for it.

  50. oiaohm says:

    NO EV can haul 10,000lbs of freight in a non-commercial aspect. This drawback from Ford, will only hasten the demand for more Tesla vehicles.
    Grece is wrong again.
    https://newatlas.com/dethleffs-electric-motorhome-concept/51096/
    Full solar EV motor-home prototype. Yes 10,000lbs of freight on a EV non-commercial aspect is downright possible.

    Yes a motor-home not needing to pay for fuel is a very interesting idea. It does kind of make sense for the travel patterns of motor-homes of travel so far be there for days then travel again.

  51. Grece says:

    NO EV can haul 10,000lbs of freight in a non-commercial aspect. This drawback from Ford, will only hasten the demand for more Tesla vehicles.

  52. Ivan says:

    No one wants the convenience of the smartphone in their personal transportation. Anyone that says otherwise is selling a bill of goods.

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