EMV Update On China Etc.

ElectraMeccanica Vehicles had a video update yesterday. There was plenty of news, like production in China but also an affirmation that production in BC, Canada is ramping up and should reach 10 Solos per month soon. The Chinese production will be for China. They need lots of Solos. EMV in BC is hiring assemblers. Also, there’s a temperature control system being patented that will allow operation in my place quite certainly without worrying about low temperatures. It should be good down to -40C. Range should be good to 200km with a new mass-production battery-pack. Air-conditioning will be standard. Yes, an 82-pound rottweiler can be comfortable in the trunk.

See October 12 EMV Update

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.

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33 Responses to EMV Update On China Etc.

  1. oiaohm says:

    Fifi, you are absolutely clueless, little one. If you think XP embedded, which is used in ATMs is the same XP embedded you can download from Imagine (ex. Dreamspark), with same level of support, than you are, hm, mentally challenged. What I am talking, but of course you are, dear.
    Deaf Spy so clueless cannot type my handle correctly.

    Yes it is the same XP embedded you can download from Dreamspark in some cases. Just get the different blue screens of death of ATMs particularly the ones that give the kernel version number.

    If it not the standard XP embedded its
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=11196
    Windows Embedded POSReady 2009.
    The kernel version numbers do give away what disc it has been made from.

    Its when the ATM was built. Before 2009 it would be a custom install XP embedded cut down after 2009 it will be based off POSReady that is supported until 2019.

    Btw, just a few years ago, I saw an ATM still running OS/2 (saw its reboot while under maintenance).
    If you saw the true OS/2 the last one of those were made in 2001. The first XP embedded are 2002 and a different brand appears as OS/2 in 2001 being EComStation. Thing is those running OS/2 Warp ATM could pay EComStation for security updates.

    Deaf Spy here is a scary fact. ATM with known faults are targeted by the smarter type of criminals. Cut the phone line put box in middle walk up to machine inside fake card and have machine vend out all contained cash. No need to try cutting into a ATM or stealing the ATM if you can trick it into handing everything over. One year in Australia over 10 million in cash was stolen that way targeting non updated ATMs with known security flaw.

    Yes ATM run in a closed network environment only one problem it can come not closed quite quickly and most of the interconnecting cables are impossible to secure.

    I bet Deaf Spy knew that everything was typed was crap that why it was addressed to a non existing person because the truth he was making crap up as per normal.

  2. Deaf Spy says:

    Most atms have a 20+ year functional life. Microsoft does not want to provide support that long.

    Fifi, you are absolutely clueless, little one. If you think XP embedded, which is used in ATMs is the same XP embedded you can download from Imagine (ex. Dreamspark), with same level of support, than you are, hm, mentally challenged. What I am talking, but of course you are, dear.

    Btw, just a few years ago, I saw an ATM still running OS/2 (saw its reboot while under maintenance).

    Since ATMs run within a rather closed environment, there is very little need to active support of the OS. Once the thing passes all tests, it is good to go for quite some years, unless a dramatic change in the supporting network is performed.

  3. oiaohm says:

    http://vortexindia.co.in/download/whitepaper/Whitepaper3.pdf
    Deaf Spy here is a one hell of a fact. Most atms have a 20+ year functional life. Microsoft does not want to provide support that long.

    Cost of hardware that makes up ATM is getting lower Windows operating system license cost is coming a bigger slice of the ATM price.

    https://elinux.org/images/d/d9/2017-06-23_CIP_TechJam61.pdf
    Deaf Spy things are changing. Who would have thought even a year ago that there would be a Linux kernel with a 10+ year support cycle. Let alone a project look at 20+years of support funded by quite major companies.

  4. oiaohm says:

    https://www.atmia.com/news/atmia-publishes-new-study-on-alternative-operating-systems-for-future-atms/4150/

    Deaf Spy really it is pointless giving you a link like this one as you would not have the access. Its interesting how much of the plan for 2020 and latter on ATM is not Windows.

    Microsoft had a good run in the ATM market. But that is coming to end as well.

    Deaf Spy I guess you will not be able to give a correct response for why the change.

  5. Deaf Spy says:

    pdf.pdf??

    I guess they put the second “.pdf” just in case.

  6. Deaf Spy wrote, “Robert, do you use ATMs?”

    I can’t remember the last time I used an ATM. I generally use plastic.

  7. Deaf Spy says:

    It always simple to forget ATM are just client.

    Is it really so, Fifi? You never fail to entertain us.

  8. oiaohm says:

    https://www.cirrelt.ca/DocumentsTravail/CIRRELT-2016-01.pdf
    Deaf Spy the reason why in Canada you have high odds of the ATM having cash is Linux Servers.

    https://www.slideshare.net/khurda/seminar-on-atm
    It always simple to forget ATM are just client. There are more than 1 OS in Canada used on ATMs.

  9. Deaf Spy says:

    Now, imagine the pain you would suffer if you find out that the embedded software for the Solo is Windows based.

    In this regard, Robert, do you use ATMs?

  10. Grece says:

    Oh, but it IS relevant. They are using Microsoft Powerpoint in Mac OS X 10.12.6 Quartz.

    Perhaps you should inform them that they are doing IT wrong and go the FLOSS route with Linux on the desktop?

    Now, imagine the pain you would suffer if you find out that the embedded software for the Solo is Windows based.

  11. Grece wrote, “why would you be wanting to spending your pension monies on a company, that cannot even get the file extension right?”

    They were probably using TOOS which hides the extension. Nope. Apple’s stuff… The extension is pdf. It’s not particularly relevant. They could have called it dog.dog or just AGM_Presentation etc. It’s all good.

  12. Grece says:

    pdf.pdf??

    Robert… why would you be wanting to spending your pension monies on a company, that cannot even get the file extension right?

  13. Grece says:

    Good grief! Lets see, random person running around with a camera, no voice over and no description of what the hell is going on. Sure, let everyone guess that is a car sale.

    Weak Robert, VERY weak.

    Coincidentally Robert, lets make a bet! I am willing to wager a Bitcoin, that Tesla builds more vehicles in a single week, then what ElectraMeccanica builds in it’s entire lifespan.

    So, are you willing to wager up or not?

  14. Grece wrote, “None of the videos listed show anything regarding a sale of a vehicle, in that link you provided. “

    The machine with the “SOLO” plate was sold to someone soon after Greens and Beans got theirs. See https://www.facebook.com/EMVsolo/videos/1417457558348810/

    That’s ancient history, back in July. I wrote about it then: http://mrpogson.com/2017/07/08/second-solo-ev-delivered/

    You can see photos of the deliveries at https://electrameccanica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/EMV-AGM2017pdf.pdf

    They were released in connection with the Annual General Meeting held recently. Note the broad smiles and shiny cars. See page 7

  15. Grece says:

    Listen to yourself Robert. Someone, some guy, whats next? That dude?? What you provided is all hearsay and I still stand in my statement that only one vehicle has been sold to date.

    None of the videos listed show anything regarding a sale of a vehicle, in that link you provided.

    So when are you going to give up on the idea of the Solo and procure a Nissan Leaf?

  16. Grece wrote, “There is NO evidence of this Robert. They documented the first sale and that’s it, nothing more”.

    1. Greens and Beans Deli
    2. Some other guy
    3. The metre-maids in Vancouver
    4. Someone in Victoria

    They provided video of three of those if you care to open your eyes.

    See https://www.facebook.com/pg/EMVsolo/videos/

  17. Grece says:

    They have shipped several units to consumers and several units to testers in 2017.

    There is NO evidence of this Robert. They documented the first sale and that’s it, nothing more. Please provide evidence to the contrary, but you and I both know you won’t, as there is no evidence to submit.

    On another salient point Robert, care to discuss the lower capacity rating of the battery?

    https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/39470

    8.64 kWh is not much power to get past say your driveway. I know this puzzles, pains you to no end but can I make suggestion? The Nissan leaf sports a 30kWh battery these days and you can get a 3-year lease for a new 2017 for $299/month.

    Now, if you DO NOT jump on that deal, then you have no interest in procuring an electric vehicle whatsoever.

  18. Grece wrote, “They have 500+ orders for civilian use and they cannot seem to ship beyond one unit a year.”

    They have shipped several units to consumers and several units to testers in 2017. I don’t see any inability to ship just a reluctance to ship units that may need to be recalled to match revisions made to pass tests.

  19. Grece says:

    despite EMV having thousands of offers

    Well, AHEM. They have 500+ orders for civilian use and they cannot seem to ship beyond one unit a year. What does that tell you?

  20. Grece says:

    Are you going to use Wikipedia Robert, to argue against billions of dollars?

    Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source of information Robert, they even mention this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_things_you_may_not_know_about_Wikipedia#We_do_not_expect_you_to_trust_us

    No if you can find a Supreme Court case that states “software is NOT patentable” then you might have a leg to stand on.

  21. Grece wrote, “very few people beyond yourself, will want to buy one of these things”, despite EMV having thousands of offers to buy even before mass-production. When they are in mass-production I expect the floodgates of buyers will open.

  22. Grece wrote of software patents not being valid, wrote, “I ‘d like to see you use that line of defense in court”.

    Read the law. The law doesn’t state software is an invention. That’s pure fantasy.

    See Wikipedia

    “Under United States law, a patent is a right granted to the inventor of a (1) process, machine, article of manufacture, or composition of matter, (2) that is new, useful, and non-obvious.”

    Clearly, software is obvious. Anyone reading the code can understand how it works or right code that will do the same thing as the code in question. Patenting software is like patenting the shape of a litre of air. It’s just obvious that a litre of air is a litre of air no matter the shape. Similarly, for j:= 1 to 10 do whatever; is the same as j:=1; while j< 11 do begin whatever;inc(j) end;. How could the first snippet be an invention when the second snippet has obviously the same effect? They look totally different yet are not different processes, machines or compositions of matter. They are writings, and should be copyright, if anything, not patented. Any software will be some combination of such obvious snippets and therefor can't be patented under the law.

  23. Grece says:

    Software can’t be patented because it’s not an invention but a writing.

    Tell that to Microsoft Robert, along with Google, IBM, Apple and a host of others. Apparently there is a billion dollar industry in software patents, which is totally opposite of what you just stated.

    I ‘d like to see you use that line of defense in court.

  24. Grece says:

    Well Robert, after 4-5 minutes viewer drop-off is 60%. I don’t suspect many people to watch the entire length, your probably the ONLY one. But lets be real here, very few people beyond yourself, will want to buy one of these things.

  25. Grece, not really wanting to know what EMV is doing, wrote, “This fool expects us to set through a 55-minute video?”

    I guess Grece is a typical Trump-supporter, unemployed, poor and uneducated, living in some backwater. He couldn’t tolerate school.

  26. Grece wrote, “How in the hell can they build ten a month?”

    Working hard for a few days? I’ve worked on assembly lines twice in my life. A bit of training, a bit of practice, and an assembly line can really shift product. My last welding job was in a tractor-factory. We started making 3-4 units per day and finally reached 5 before I became ill. Making lift arms for tractors, a partner and I easily made 6 units per shift. EMV could easily make ~10 per day on their existing line if they tried hard, 3 shifts per day and another on weekends and kept the coffee-breaks to a minimum. Where I worked I did overtime every day and double time on weekends 7 days a week. The pay was wonderful and I enjoyed the work. EMV seem to be using the one line for prototyping, training and occasionally for actually producing Solos. They aren’t using it full-time.

  27. Grece wrote, “I know that’s not going to happen is it? Why?? Well Jerry wants to make money, a form of capitalism and build his wealth.”

    ISTR the patents of EMV are for the battery temperature control, and the front end. These may protect what’s innovative in Solo for a period of time. These may protect against copying Solo directly and may contribute to greater acceptance of EVs in cold/hot countries. Patents are also an inexpensive means of advertising the technology. They also may be a defence against patent-suits by other makers of EVs. I agree with this. I once applied for patents on a method of separating isotopes. It turned out to have prior art that prevented issuing a patent…

    Software can’t be patented because it’s not an invention but a writing. Software is protected by copyright, another thing with which I agree. Writers deserve a living wage for their work too, although I disagree with royalties on unlimited copies. I figure after a million copies of anything are shipped, the writer has been well paid.

  28. Grece says:

    Yes, an 82-pound rottweiler can be comfortable in the trunk.

    That’s enough room for TLW Robert. Just think of the all the Sunday drives you two can share together.

  29. Grece says:

    Patents?

    Ummm…there is a HUGE difference from applying for a patent and receiving an approval and being awarded a patent for something. See, I could file a patent application for an invention, calling it “The Pogson Advantage” or “Hamdong Wrench” etc… then go on social media and gloating about it, which Jerry is doing here.

    The three standard ways to let people know that you have a patent is by stating, “patent applied”, “patent pending” or “patent awarded #2,345,345”.

    Now, I find it humorous that you espouse these alleged patents that Jerry mentions, but speak volumes of negative things of software patents. I think Jerry should go the FLOSS route, don’t you agree Robert? But I know that’s not going to happen is it? Why?? Well Jerry wants to make money, a form of capitalism and build his wealth. Something you seem to disagree with.

  30. Grece says:

    Ramping up? Haven’t we heard this story-line before? I mean, lets be real, they can’t even build five right now, let alone a single unit that can be shipped. How in the hell can they build ten a month?

    Pure fantasy, that’s how.

  31. Grece says:

    The Chinese production will be for China.

    Sorry Robert, doesn’t look like you will be importing the Solo from China.

  32. Grece says:

    For someone wanting to hire assemblers, there sure is nothing being built in the background, thats for sure.

  33. Grece says:

    This fool expects us to set through a 55-minute video?

    HE IS CLUELESS.

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