Putting German Politicians On The Record

“CDU/CSU (conservatives) and FDP (liberals) marked their position as “neutral” and answered in a very similar fashion. Unfortunately, these parties avoid making a clear stance and ultimately confirm the status quo. On one hand, they do consider the use of Free Software, on the other hand, so they say, there are multiple other aspects to consider weigh in. However, they list functionality and usability for example, even though they have no relation to the licence in use. When asked about the migration of existing IT systems, CDU/CSU prefer decision making on a case-by-case basis, while FDP dodged our question.
 
Although the SPD (labour) also marked their answer as “neutral”, they support the deployment and development of Free Software in public administrations and educational institutions, “to foster the creation of innovative businesses in the local market”. Die Linke (lefts) and Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (greens) position themselves as supporters of deployment and public funding of Free Software. The greens consider Free Software to be a “cornerstone for secure and future-proof IT systems”, and the lefts also fully support it, as long as there are no concerns regarding security or operation.”
 
See Digital-O-Mat: Compare your views on Internet policies with the parties for the German federal election 2017
It’s always good to keep pushing politicians about doing IT the right way. That effort is the most fun at election-time. Then politicians want your vote and they might listen to voters’ ideas about whether computers should work for citizens or against them.

In Canada, there seems to be only one party on the record as favouring FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software), but the other parties don’t even have a position… Too bad. Now that I’m determined to use renewable energy and drive an electric car, I may be in the mood to change my vote next election over one last issue.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.

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32 Responses to Putting German Politicians On The Record

  1. oiaohm says:

    http://www.huawei.com/en/news/2017/3/Huawei-FusionSphere-Oracle-Linux-Certification
    Deaf Spy nothing like being tunnel visioned. I could make the same stupid arguement that huawei was magically Linux by ignoring their windows deals. Huawei does give stats on their cloud for enterprise its 80 Linux. As a cloud provider to get as many customers are possible they have to service every customers need. So this means they have to deal with Microsoft. Now huawei having a deal with Microsoft does not mean Microsoft makes up a very big slice of their pie. Huawei would be able to cover their operating costs without Microsoft but they would not be able to cover their operating costs without Linux.

    To most of the cloud providers Linux is the core/cake of their operation. Microsoft is in the fancy icing on top department nice to have but not important. Out of choices of icings in the cloud server world Oracle is more important than Microsoft.

    Even on Azure in 2014 it was 20 percent Linux today its 33+ percent Linux. So over time even Microsoft own cloud service is becoming more and more Linux. The longer a cloud provider has been in business the higher its Linux percentage seams to go.

    Microsoft is spending quite a bit marketing their deals to attempt to keep themselves relevant in the server space.

  2. Deaf Spy says:

    “Two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl” 🙂

    In the other news, Microsoft is conquering the world, again:
    http://www.zdnet.com/article/huawei-announces-microsoft-cloud-apps-partnership/

  3. Grece says:

    Isn’t it amazing how Robert and Fifi are so similar?

  4. Deaf Spy says:

    Nope. GNU/Linux is pushing 2%.

    Sigh. Robert, we’ve been discussing enterprises. Why is it so difficult to stay focused?

  5. oiaohm says:

    Deaf Spy
    I know this will sadden you, but IIS is quite strong here. Enterprises run many intranet web apps, which also use Windows Authentication, achieving complete SSO functionality across all their company services.
    https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Authenticating_Apache_against_Active_Directory
    Sorry to say that Windows Authentication when it comes to a web-server really does matter if if Windows or Linux both support it. Scary enough if you look up nginx it also has support.

    The dominate platform for CRM and ERP programs is not windows but Linux that is your intranet web apps. With more preferring a base of debian to base of redhat/centos.

    Just because you are seeing Windows Authentication SSO does not mean a single Windows server is running. This is totally achievable using Samba.

    multi-phase authentication I guess this is correct term Multi-factor authentication I guess you would be meaning. Something to remember a lot of Windows Multi-factor authentication has issues on ipads and android tablets. So using Linux servers that give you a broader range of options can be a very good idea thinking that android is now as common as windows desktop os needing to connect.

    (FYI, at this very moment our company is doing for US customers two ASP.NET web apps that are required to support Windows Authentication; not the first, not the last)
    Deaf Spy and that does not need to run on windows server.
    https://github.com/OneBitSoftware/Microsoft.AspNetCore.Authentication.ActiveDirectory
    There are companies like OneBitSoftware making software like you just described run on Linux.

    Strange companies are being to paid to do this if Linux is not being used on the internal network. Yes the open source code being produced by these support companies shows clear Linux server activity on the intranet of businesses.

    Really deafspy you are in a company that most likely losing customers to the Linux support companies migrating what you have done to reduce business operating costs. You really need to pull you head out the sand and work out what Linux servers can in fact offer or be under cut resulting in lost customers.

    Linux servers in business are at the point someone developer software ignoring what Linux server can do will lose customers to competition.

    Interesting when you get the countries that show 10 percent+ desktop activity by desktop Linux. Like Uruguay their schools run debian for desktop and so do a lot of their businesses. They are not using a custom branch. Maybe some of the reason Linux has not taken up on the desktop in some areas is people being distracted by distributions that cannot run stably but are offering easy setup.

  6. Deaf Spy wrote, “On desktop, however, it is non-existent.”

    Nope. GNU/Linux is pushing 2%. In Europe and India it’s over 2%. It’s over 13% in Uruguay when school’s in session. I remember a few years ago when it was pushing 1% and folks were saying it’s all about geeks etc. Nope. There aren’t that many geeks in the world. It’s real people doing real stuff who are using GNU/Linux in organizations large and small, in schools and at home. GNU/Linux works for people and it keeps growing.

  7. Deaf Spy says:

    Real web-servers doing real work are rarely run by TOOS

    As usual, you’re comparing apples to oranges and moving the goalpost. But, lets put this temporarily aside and discuss your statement.

    Robert, you are clueless how enterprises do IT. Totally, absolutely.

    Open your ears like an elephant, and hark! Enterprises, Robert, happen to use the so called “intranet” web applications. These are web apps that are accessible only from within the network of the enterprise, and never from the outer world. External access is allowed, if ever, only via well-secured VPNs with multi-phase authentication*. The web servers that run these apps are invisible to all statistics, except the sales figures of the vendors (where MS’s numbers paint a nice picture). I know this will sadden you, but IIS is quite strong here. Enterprises run many intranet web apps, which also use Windows Authentication, achieving complete SSO functionality across all their company services.
    (FYI, at this very moment our company is doing for US customers two ASP.NET web apps that are required to support Windows Authentication; not the first, not the last)

    Linux can be quite popular as a server OS in enterprises, mostly as a file server, or a public web server, including public APIs, or especially for servers that host horizontally scalable services (I will leave it to you to think what these might be). On desktop, however, it is non-existent.

    ——————
    * Before you go into meaningless drivel, know that this is not because of the specific platform (remember Heartbleed?), but of common sense and security best practices and audits.

  8. Grece says:

    Comparing servers to desktops again? Oh wait, there isn’t a comparison, two very different items.

  9. Deaf Spy wrote, “People keep flocking at MS and Apple.”

    Hmmmm… Real web-servers doing real work are rarely run by TOOS. It just doesn’t work for people. They prefer GNU/Linux by a wide margin. Isn’t it relevant that unless forced people don’t choose TOOS?

  10. Deaf Spy says:

    I know how digital and analogue computers work.

    Irrelevant.

    I know it’s ridiculous/foolish/expensive to allow Bill Gates and Co. to control the world’s IT.

    Your personal opinion you can’t back with any data. At the same time, hundreds of thousands of enterprises trust their operations to Bill Gates and Co. Office 365 surges, and so do all these Azure services.

    Folks who switched to GNU/Linux and Android/Linux have demonstrated the benefits of Free Software repeatedly.

    Like Munich? Or like some obscure Nicaraguan elementary school?
    We speak of Enterprise, Robert, please stay focused.

    How is exactly Android free? Except for the kernel, all the software stack on top, including all the client applications (i.e. those that people actually use), are closed source.

    It’s not just about the price but the freedom from M$.

    This is just a slogan. People keep flocking at MS and Apple.

  11. Deaf Spy wrote, “Thanks, Robert, for demonstrating how little you know about how enterprise works.”

    I know how digital and analogue computers work. I know it’s ridiculous/foolish/expensive to allow Bill Gates and Co. to control the world’s IT. Folks who switched to GNU/Linux and Android/Linux have demonstrated the benefits of Free Software repeatedly. It’s not just about the price but the freedom from M$.

  12. Deaf Spy says:

    Thanks, Robert, for demonstrating how little you know about how enterprise works. Your scenario is not even science fiction, it is pure fantasy works, so detached from reality it is.

    You don’t know how enterprises secure their networks and mitigate security issues. You don’t know how enterprises apply updates to user and system software. You don’t know how Windows security fixes are issued (there is more than one release here, you know, but more on this another time). You don’t know how centralized updates in Windows work. You know nothing, Robert. You know only how to install and upgrade your Debian (which, again, no enterprise uses), and recompile the kernel. That’s all.

    with Debian GNU/Linux I could propagate a command to every machine with confidence they would update and survive any time of the day

    Something totally possible with Windows, even from within the GUI. Stop bragging how little know of Windows.
    Putting forward some trivial stuff like this and marketing it as “unique Linux features” is laughable and doesn’t contribute to the cause of Linux.

  13. Deaf Spy wrote, “Centralized OS updates in a proper enterprise network has been there for ages”.

    Yes. So, you are some big outfit with thousands of instances of TOOS and at 0600PT M$ tells the world that a vulnerability affects all version of TOOS and you can’t shut down all operations to make the changes in the middle of your work day so you stay vulnerable for many hours and are forced to do an update no matter what your IT-system is supposed to be doing for you. Yeah, that works, eh? I remember having to waste my lunch hour trying to fix ~100 systems that M$ broke and finding several servers that would not reboot afterwards. Meanwhile, with Debian GNU/Linux I could propagate a command to every machine with confidence they would update and survive any time of the day.

  14. Deaf Spy says:

    Yes, that’s a biggy, but the other costs are big and ongoing: re-reboots, lock-ins, updates at weird hours, complexity, bloat…

    Robert, sorry to let you down, but these “costs” exist only in your imagination. Centralized OS updates in a proper enterprise network has been there for ages, re-reboots are forgotten since Windows 95 and what you call bloat other people call features.

    But tell me again, how does Linux penetration on embedded translate to Debian in enterprise (where it is basically non-existent, as even for servers enterprises prefer CentOS)?

    And, how are suddenly billion of Android, iPad, iPhone and Windows users having their devices work against them?

  15. Oiaohm wrote, “Lot to with the cost of Microsoft cal licensing.”

    Yes, that’s a biggy, but the other costs are big and ongoing: re-reboots, lock-ins, updates at weird hours, complexity, bloat…

  16. oiaohm says:

    https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/operating_system/all
    https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-unix/all/all

    Deaf Spy without question in Enterprise for web servers Linux something is more popular than Windows.

    So, Robert, where is your proof that Debian is popular in enterprises?
    There is a known break down of what OS are used in that market.

    https://www.debian.org/users/

    Debian does in fact provide a list of those entities willing to be named as Debian users. Some of those are Debian desktops and servers. But the dominate is server room in enterprise. Lot to with the cost of Microsoft cal licensing.

    If you are a enterprise running you own servers you most likely will want Linux Personal so that you servers are cost effective.

    There is a Debian consultant page as well who list companies and people who make living providing enterprise with support services while using Debian. The total income of the Debian consultants exceeds Redhat.

    Redhat is big fish. Debian is the big school of fish that make the Redhat fish appear small.

    Oh, dear. All these Android, iPad, iPhone and Windows users! Billions of people! Do they know their devices are working against them?
    Why even suggest this most users know their machines get infected and the like and are unhappy about this. Of course its like trying to get a child to give up a toy they are allergic to that they have become attached to.

    Deaf Spy so another set of not researched garbage.

    I guess the anti-debian is mostly so people don’t work out how big debian deployments are and that Microsoft is not in fact that large when put head to head with Redhat and “Debian consultants” combined.

    Linux quite a dominate force in the server room. Pure windows server rooms are fairly no more there are Linux only server rooms in quite a few enterprises.

    Microsoft has had the primary user interface. Microsoft is losing control as primarily interface. Android currently hold the primary user interface for business and personal.

    The thing that is simple to forget and miss is that GNURoot Debian exists so Debian is an application for Android.

    This does create interesting problem. So applications running a debian desktop can be run on Android phone. Yet windows applications on a Windows desktop are very unlikely to run on Android phone. This creates a very interesting form of pressure.

  17. JD says:

    Ah the leftie phenomenon, distrust of your fellow citizens while placing blind, unwavering trust in an intrusive and authoritarian government.

    Taxation is not a crime.
    Lol. Taxation isn’t a crime, as long as you aren’t the one being taxed unfairly.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

  18. Deaf Spy says:

    ” they might listen to voters’ ideas about whether computers should work for citizens or against them.”

    Oh, dear. All these Android, iPad, iPhone and Windows users! Billions of people! Do they know their devices are working against them?

  19. Deaf Spy says:

    https://www.linux.com/news/event/elce/2017/linux-and-open-source-move-embedded-says-survey

    Look, ma, my fridge runs Linux!

    Sadly, embedded has exactly zlitch influence on Linux’s penetration in enterprise. So, Robert, where is your proof that Debian is popular in enterprises?

  20. Kurkosdr says:

    Taxation is not a crime.

    It is legalized theft if for every dollar the taxpayer pays in taxes, he doesn’t receive services worth 1 dollar or more in return (be it security, infrastructure etc). For example, being forced to pay taxes so someone else’s fat state pension is paid is a prime example of this (and the primary reason I left Greece). Funding cultural events you don’t want to go to (Opera events and other state-sponsored crap) is another example. Money spend on non-profits and NGOs accountable to nobody may be another example, but it is not so clear cut in this case, it all depends how the non-profit/NGO in question is monitored and how it is judged for meeting targets.

  21. JD wrote about “the 73% tax theft”.

    Taxation is not a crime. It’s a legitimate means to fund the government. The proposals outlined are designed to close the tax-loopholes some wealthy folks get to use that ordinary folks do not. It’s about fairness. Also, the paper suggests Canadians are paying very low corporate taxes compared to many other countries. It’s good to be Canadian.

  22. oiaohm says:

    http://www.serverwatch.com/columns/slideshows/top-10-linux-server-distributions.html
    No one is using Debian in the corporate world dingbat.
    Only a total dingbat would claim this. For the past 20 years Debian has been in the top 10 Linux server os deployed.

    Grece if you have been watching IOT developers large majority base on Debian because of its long term stability this why most dominate used distribution with a Raspberrypi is Raspbian that is basically Debian with kernel and addons matched to the hardware.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaima_(operating_system)
    Some of the issue is a lot of long term deployments of debian end up with their own branch and name. Like Canaima that is used by Venezuelan public administration and Venezuelan companies. Interesting enough they do use the debian snapshot system for legacy application support.

    Grece the reality here is most of these Debian and Debian venerates long term deployments don’t have people attempt to reverse to Windows like the Ubuntu ones have had.

    kurkosdr does have a point that the ability to run old applications is important this does show in the deployments of debian and lightly modified from debian distributions in business and government with lower change back pressure than something like Ubuntu lacking the snapshot system.

    The reality when Debian has huge successful desktop deployments normally with minor variation to add closed source drivers I don’t understand why its not talked about as an option more.

  23. JD says:

    Mr. Pogson, I’m sure you feel positively giddy about the 73% tax theft the liberal commies you elected are about to unleash on the small business middle class (you know, those guys and gals who emply over 53% of this country) in the name of ‘fairness’.

    https://www.fin.gc.ca/activty/consult/tppc-pfsp-eng.pdf

    If I were you, I would make plans on moving out of this commie paradise, as the quality medical care and buttwipers you will be seeking in your golden years will be moving down south and unavailable here for your needs if these rules come into effect.

    Whether you are for these changes (which I presume you will be by applying your typical liberal logic), or if you stand against them by pointing this out for the hypocrisy it is, you can let your thoughts be known to our commie overlords here:

    bill.morneau@parl.gc.ca

  24. Grece says:

    Really Robert, that article mentions Linux. So which are those are still using Debian, as the report was written in 2010?

  25. Grece says:

    No one is using Debian in the corporate world dingbat.

  26. oiaohm says:

    In such environments, you need both backwards and forwards compatibility to the extreme, and long term support spanning a decade at least. It’s the reason most governments use Windows. No, it’s not the Illumati and the lizard people. Microsoft, is renowned for offering both backwards and forwards compatibility, and for offering security patches for the whole stack for more than a decade.
    kurkosdr issue here it does depend what Linux you are talking about.

    Debian can in fact demo with it snapshot system display backward compatibility support from 2005 to current using chroot based solutions. http://snapshot.debian.org/

    Claim of whole stack for more than a decade is also questionable in the Microsoft side.

    The reality when you know what debian offers why are so many places stubbornly going ubuntu or other distributions that don’t offer snapshot/backwards compatibility system.

    that there are no Poetterings randomly breaking public APIs.
    No this is not true there are many Microsoft personal who random-ally break public API applications developers get around this by bundling the libraries.

    Flatpak and Snappy is seeing Linux move to more of a Windows application provide model where maker of program bundles what they in fact use to getting away from a lot of breakage problems. Also both include sandboxing. Bundling with libraries means even if you update the OS core you have not fixed all the security faults. So when bundling the correct answer seams to be place in a sandbox.

  27. kurkosdr says:

    Now, as regards the main topic, Desktop Linux for the government is the second worst usage scenario I can think of for Desktop Linux, right after the modern consumer laptop or desktop.

    In such environments, you need both backwards and forwards compatibility to the extreme, and long term support spanning a decade at least. It’s the reason most governments use Windows. No, it’s not the Illumati and the lizard people. Microsoft, is renowned for offering both backwards and forwards compatibility, and for offering security patches for the whole stack for more than a decade. It is the reason why organizations are still stocking up on Windows 7 and 8 licenses. And even Windows 10 is not Linux, in the sense that there are no Poetterings randomly breaking public APIs.

    So yeah, keep believing that governments will repeat the LiMux fiasco, aka the asinine act of making a transition to a permanent science project. I bet that you also believe global hunger can be eliminated without the mullahs of the Middle East embracing parenthood planning.

    Keep up the faith!

  28. kurkosdr says:

    Now that I’m determined to use renewable energy and drive an electric car

    Determined to drive an electric car? Waiting for your Solo to be delivered in who-knows-when time, maybe, counts as determined? IMO it is more a “someday, maybe” territory.

    So, since the SUV is your only option for private transportation for the next several years (best case scenario), I ‘d strongly recommend holding off that green-party vote.

    Lemme give you a hint: In some european countries, the total amount of taxes paid on a litre of gasoline is 1 euro once all the “green” taxes and the VAT applied on top of the “green” taxes are factored in. I ‘ll leave the unit conversions and how this translates to the monthly running costs of the SUV to you Pog.

  29. Grece says:

    Another point Robert, if I may.

    Why is it, that your way is the alleged RIGHT way, to do IT, when your way does not even exist?

  30. Grece says:

    I am willing to bet Robert, that you beloved fabled SOLO does NOT use free and open source software.

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