Production Rates Of EMV Solo

“The company employs only 25 people. Their focus is on building a high-quality product on par with other competitive performance three-wheelers such as the Morgan Three-Wheeler, and most recently, the Polaris Slingshot.
 
Together, this team of passionate engineers, designers, mechanics, and welders produce, on average, 150 vehicles per year. Each T-Rex and V13R is built on demand, and customers must go through a five to six week gestation process before they can light that rear-wheel into a big fat burnout for themselves.”
 
See One Of The Craziest Things On Three Wheels Comes From This Canadian Factory
For a while, many people have been grumbling that Electra Meccanica Vehicles could not possibly ramp up production sufficiently to meet demand. Here’s a counter-example, and it’s also building a Three Wheeled Vehicle in Canada. Their assembly line and staff are similar except they have 20+ stations on the assembly line. If they can produce 150 vehicles a year, EMV with it’s simpler Solo (electric, not gasoline, single seat), should also be able to do that. QED

So, I expect to get my Solo in 2018, not next decade. It will also be street-legal in Canada as is the T-Rex. EMV still doesn’t have a National Safety Mark registration as far as I can tell but neither did Campagna last year. I still prefer Solo because it’s smarter to drive electrically, and I don’t like to ride a motorcycle and Solo costs about ⅓ as much money to buy.

UPDATE A recent article quotes CEO of EMV, Jerry Kroll: “Electra Meccanica is squarely focused on the global market, and Kroll says the Solo is already being manufactured in China for the Chinese market. His general manager just arranged the same for the Indian market. In June, the Solo passed U.S. compliance regulations. But in Canada, the compliance process is still under way.
 
“We’re looking at manufacturing in Mexico and Europe as well,” Kroll says. “If we get the Canadian government to wake up to the fact that the American government helped Tesla with $500 million, we could establish a North American manufacturing facility somewhere in Canada too.””

See Electric vehicles are coming. Is Canada ready to capture the opportunities?

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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29 Responses to Production Rates Of EMV Solo

  1. oiaohm says:

    Kurkosdr notice you said direct x this time. The everybody doing there own standard does not end at Linux. Microsoft has the same issue.

    http://blog.qt.io/blog/2017/07/28/qml-vs-html5/

    Which is why FOSS OSes and their supposed lack of lock-in is a lie. Which is the reason everybody stopped getting excited about desktop Linux and started getting excited about HTML 5+CSS3+JS+WebGL.
    Not right at all. Due to HTML5+CSS3+JS+WebGL having the same trouble as normal with each implementation in a browser having ti own API quirks we are seeing the toolkit vendors like GTK/QT get in on the game.

    But the implementation differences and deficiencies can be worked around, or a safe subset can be used
    But there is not a safe subset for WebGL as I provided link to there are platforms where you have no WebGL.

    Don’t look at the license of the code, look at how widely a standard is supported and how many different implementations it has to avoid lock-in.
    When the standard is broken like HTML 5+CSS3+JS+WebGL and X11 and many others you have to look to toolkits to wrap over the defects to avoid having to reinventing the wheel. GTK and QT have a long history of dealing with standards broken the way HTML 5+CSS3+JS+WebGL is because is very much how Multi version supplied X11 has been broken over the years.

    HTML 5 is being use to replace remote X11. Change to wayland has seen the Linux Desktop world be looking for a replacement to remote x11. The massive interest in HTML5 stuff lines up with the Linux wayland change and open source toolkit looking at other remote options.

    Interesting point for those that are not aware both QT and GTK has conformance suites that can be run against there HTML5, X11, Wayland back-ends.

    Working around implementation differences is in the realm of bugfixing, programming for different fool’s standards is in the realm of a rewrite, and since time of programmer’s is finite, it eventually leads to lock-in.
    This is why you use toolkits not direct implementation in most cases to reduce volume of bug fixing.

    Kurkosdr you want to make a point by point counter. Go ahead the reality is so far you don’t have a point. You have complete missed that HTML 5+CSS3+JS+WebGL is broken in ways that you have to use toolkits to keep your workload down.

    Reality here is toolkits that wrap over standard covering up implementation defects are not standards but they will have a conformance suite and you do want source access in case there is something you need to fix.

    Toolkits like GTK and Qt support multi different standards.

    Kurkosdr GTK is a toolkit. https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html so choosing GTK does not mean not choosing HTML5.

    A lot of interesting is HTML5 is volume of overlap we use to see the same thing for x11 that is being deprecated. So HTML5 is remote X11 of the new age. HTML5 and all it bits implementations have the same issues X11 implementations minus 1. The Minus 1 is the fact you have quite a good chance that a client device will have HTML5 installed.

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.vms/2Lhz2m4ykAk

    The reality is also X11 in web browser was been done before HTML5 existed but using WeirdX was not exactly fun.

    Now coding for pure Microsoft Win32 or .Net that does not have proper HTML5 back-ends to those tool kits is a major problem.

    The toolkits most of the Linux Desktop applications are built on are very platform neutral. The fact systemd and other parts are under your application really don’t matter because the application is coded on an abstraction layer. This is also why so many open source applications are cross platform.

    So FOSS OS lack of lock in is not 100 percent lie. It does have it limitations but it way less of a lock in then taking a Microsoft or Apple or Google platform decanted development suite.

    Kurkosdr is too anti FOSS really to step back and wake up that is complete point was garbage. Of course is really hard to think that HTML5 was designed to replace X11 remote but that is mentioned in the Mailing list in it design stage. Its also interesting that one of the replacement to X11 fairly much have the same defects as X11 including the security problems and this is html5. New shiny but opps HTML5 is old X11 in a new skin.

  2. Kurkosdr says:

    The moral of the story: Don’t look at the license of the code, look at how widely a standard is supported and how many different implementations it has to avoid lock-in.

  3. Kurkosdr says:

    As much as I would like to make a point-by-point refutation of Ohioham’s verbal diarrhea… bahaha who am I kidding, I don’t like doing that and won’t.

    So, here is the nutshell version: Many standards don’t have perfect compliance tools and many implementations of those standards are not perfect. But the implementation differences and deficiencies can be worked around, or a safe subset can be used, and this is much better than the “every fool and their little standard” approach, you know stuff like GTK, KDE, DirectX, Pulseaudio, you name it.

    Working around implementation differences is in the realm of bugfixing, programming for different fool’s standards is in the realm of a rewrite, and since time of programmer’s is finite, it eventually leads to lock-in.

    Which is why FOSS OSes and their supposed lack of lock-in is a lie. Which is the reason everybody stopped getting excited about desktop Linux and started getting excited about HTML 5+CSS3+JS+WebGL.

  4. oiaohm says:

    Perhaps because those “standards” were created by companies who had an interest in a standard API not existing, so they could enforce lock-in?
    kurkosdr not at all SGI create opengl I choose it as example for reason. It starts out find all it takes companies like Nvidia come in later and then want lock-in.

    So opengl was not created by those who did not want standard API existing. Opengl faced Coup d’état.

    Then don’t use the corner cases or selectively enable them, silly. Which is what every web designer is doing, or what every Android dev is doing (for example, Vulkan support or even latest OpenGL support).
    Don’t know history. Opengl again how the Coup d’état performed. Nvidia provided game makers with tools to make stuff so called using the standard API/ABI only one catch those tools were design to use Nvidia particular corner cases so slowly wittling down the standard. Selling the idea to the core of opengl that selling the conformance suite could fund their operations was another master stroke move.

    The only way to prevent this is open conformance suite.

    So, to recap, FOSS won’t save you from the Poettering’s dictating what software you should run, JS+HTML5+CSS3+WebGL might.
    Funny Webgl is not 100 percent vendor neutral.
    https://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/BlacklistsAndWhitelists

    So like or not someone will be dictating what platforms your code runs on with what you are suggesting.

    The gist of the story is that if you want to run Desktop Linux and want compatibility, but you don’t like Poettering’s fine works, you do have to endure Poettering’s fine works, despite the FOSSies preaching about how FOSS is freedom and you can easily study and modify the source to fit your needs and desires etcetera.
    Not at all. This is your words. Not mine. I use openrc and other init systems as well as systemd.

    It is possible to run a Linux desktop without pulseaudio or systemd those running slackware have done this since forever.

    kurkosdr basically go back to the drawing board you should not have include webgl if you did not want to be dictated to.

    JS has conner cases with different browsers that make it not engine neutral and is lacking a quality test suite to weed out the errors. Html5 and CSS3 without javascript is not much use. So you total counter solution is full of holes. Libreoffice online has a stack of code dealing with the differences.

    So lets swap one lot of broken for another lot of broke what a solution from idiots like kurkosdr.

  5. kurkosdr says:

    kurkosdr lamest vendor response does not mean the faults are not getting fixed.

    The 0day user issue I got fixed I had reword that as a Request for enhancement (RFE)
    https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6277

    kurkosdr the lamest vendor response award is that we need to jack hammer it with more than 1 bug report. Takes about 3 to 4 months of jack hammer to get stuff fixed. This is better than Microsoft on SMB of 15 years.

    Blah blah blah… The gist of the story is that if you want to run Desktop Linux and want compatibility, but you don’t like Poettering’s fine works, you do have to endure Poettering’s fine works, despite the FOSSies preaching about how FOSS is freedom and you can easily study and modify the source to fit your needs and desires etcetera.

    Cannot be done. Kurkosdr this is a total failure to learn from history. Posix and LSB and many other examples include WABI by microsoft say this a path to fail. Application developers will not stay to the limitations of a standard ABI instead will use conner cases.

    Perhaps because those “standards” were created by companies who had an interest in a standard API not existing, so they could enforce lock-in?

    But they are not. Play a 5.1 mp3. I can list a long list of conner cases where every one of those standards turns around and fails on you.
    Then don’t use the corner cases or selectively enable them, silly. Which is what every web designer is doing, or what every Android dev is doing (for example, Vulkan support or even latest OpenGL support).

    So, to recap, FOSS won’t save you from the Poettering’s dictating what software you should run, JS+HTML5+CSS3+WebGL might.

  6. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr lamest vendor response does not mean the faults are not getting fixed.

    The 0day user issue I got fixed I had reword that as a Request for enhancement (RFE)
    https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6277

    kurkosdr the lamest vendor response award is that we need to jack hammer it with more than 1 bug report. Takes about 3 to 4 months of jack hammer to get stuff fixed. This is better than Microsoft on SMB of 15 years.

    Some of the issue is project lead of systemd is that he is not security person. You have to provide a real world context. Also some things like PID1 having a lot of things are going to be hard to fix thinking that under selinux it has been required for sysvinit to include selinux library in PID1. So his stubbornness is normally other problems that have been ignored.

    If you want to be liberated from the Satya Nadellas and the Poetterings of the IT industry, what you should demand is an open and standardised API, not an open-source OS.
    Cannot be done. Kurkosdr this is a total failure to learn from history. Posix and LSB and many other examples include WABI by microsoft say this a path to fail. Application developers will not stay to the limitations of a standard ABI instead will use conner cases.

    Systemd fixes more faults than it causes. But some are attempt to get openrc working. So it is possible to remove and run without systemd.

    but nobody worries about lock-in because those proprietary implementations are compatible with each other.
    But they are not. Play a 5.1 mp3. I can list a long list of conner cases where every one of those standards turns around and fails on you. They only ones that work release a open-source/free conformance suite why this allows end users to return devices that do not conform to the standard.

    If you want to see this first hand all you have todo is look at the nvidia opengl closed source driver after the opengl conformance suite was release to the public 180 different faults that had been bothering users for 10+ years got fixed over night once it was clear everyone would know that Nvidia was not to spec and that was causing the problems.

    Open and standardised API is one thing without a public conformance suite its opengl with vendors breaking stuff because they can and end users not being able to prove that its breach of standard so unable to return product due to false advertising for full refund. The key for conformance to standards is the ability for consumers to return defective products. One failure to conform to standard is cost to bottom line it does not happen as much.

  7. kurkosdr says:

    B… b… but it’s inherently secure:

    https://m.slashdot.org/story/329339

    BTW, since Desktop Linux is open-source and such, why don’t you remove the offending bits of code Pog?

    Oh, I see, it would break compatibility.

    Well… this is what I ‘ve been telling you for years. It’s not about the source (a technical instrument elevated to holy status by a loony programmer who couldn’t keep a job in the private sector), it’s about compatibility. For example, standards like DVB-T, MPEG-4, MP3 etc have many proprietary implementations, but nobody worries about lock-in because those proprietary implementations are compatible with each other.

    If you want to be liberated from the Satya Nadellas and the Poetterings of the IT industry, what you should demand is an open and standardised API, not an open-source OS.

    Which is why people stopped getting excited about Desktop Linux and started getting excited about HTML5, CSS3, JS and WebGL.

    When you will stop masturbating over Poettering’s fine works and start learning JS, Pog?

  8. kurkosdr says:

    Where’s the evidence that it’s not happening?

    Nobody has to disprove your assertion, you senile old man. YOU have to PROVE your assertion, because YOU MADE the assertion.

  9. Grece wrote, “Regarding the latest statement from Jerry, I call bullshit.
     
    …the Solo is already being manufactured in China for the Chinese market.
     
    No it isn’t, wheres the evidence?”

    Where’s the evidence that it’s not happening? China had a working Solo about a year ago. They have a reputation for copying stuff. They should be in production by now.

  10. Grece says:

    That’s well below average annual growth in my lifetime.

    No shit Sherlock, the Obama administration and the Democrats pretty much wrecked the economy didn’t they? The 2008 recession was during Obamas watch and his policies just made things worse. The economy tanked to -4 percent when he was in office.

    “GDP Annual Growth Rate in the United States averaged 3.20 percent from 1948 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 13.40 percent in the fourth quarter of 1950 and a record low of -4.10 percent in the second quarter of 2009.”

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth-annual

  11. Grece wrote, “The US GDP has grown by 1.2% in the first quarter and 2.6% in the second quarter.”

    That’s well below average annual growth in my lifetime.

  12. Grece says:

    Speaking about being rich Robert. Today I find that, under President Trump the US GDP Surpasses $19 Trillion for the First Time Ever! The US GDP has grown by 1.2% in the first quarter and 2.6% in the second quarter.

    For the first time ever in the history of our nation, a President has accomplished so much in so little time, with so many working against him.

    MAGA

  13. Grece says:

    India is very rich?

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL…

    USA GDP/Population: (18.57 trillion divided by 323.1 million) = $57474.46

    India GDP/Population: (2.264 trillion divided by 1.324 billion) = $1709.96

    India has only 2.975% of USA wealth Robert.

    Now please, double down and “inform” me that I am wrong in my maths here. I dare you!

  14. kurkosdr says:

    Where’s the evidence they haven’t started production?

    Where is the evidence that a teapot isn’t orbiting the earth, with the teapot being small enough so our instruments cannot see it?

    When an assertion is made, it’s up to the person who made the assertion to prove it, and in our case it’s either you or Jerry.

  15. Grece wrote, “Regarding the latest statement from Jerry, I call bullshit.
     
    …the Solo is already being manufactured in China for the Chinese market.
     
    No it isn’t, wheres the evidence?”

    There’s evidence the Chinese have been copying all kinds of technology for decades and they had a working Solo there more than a year ago. Where’s the evidence they haven’t started production?

  16. Grece wrote, “India is a poor country, them poor asses can barely afford a bicycle.”

    India is very rich, rather. The distribution of wealth may be wide but there are millions who could afford Solo. It’s a country of more than 1 billion souls. Why would there not be a market for Solo there?

  17. Grece says:

    Regarding the latest statement from Jerry, I call bullshit.

    …the Solo is already being manufactured in China for the Chinese market.

    No it isn’t, wheres the evidence?

    His general manager just arranged the same for the Indian market.

    India is a poor country, them poor asses can barely afford a bicycle.

    In June, the Solo passed U.S. compliance regulations.

    Lies..never heard who allegedly performed this?

    But in Canada, the compliance process is still under way.

    Notice, how its “under way” in Canada, where he actually sold two vehicles, but U.S. compliance is completed. Actually it should be the other way around.

    We’re looking at manufacturing in Mexico and Europe as well

    LOL..yea ok. Mexico is a lost cause due to drug cartels, and Europe is lost cause due to Mohammedans taking over.

    If we get the Canadian government to wake up to the fact that the American government helped Tesla with $500 million, we could establish a North American manufacturing facility somewhere in Canada too.

    LMAO..yes, Canada should line Jerry’s pockets! See, I knew this is what the guy was all about, he doesn’t care about the environment. He’s green with envy due to the attraction of money.

  18. Grece says:

    It’s amazing how some twit on the web, namely you Robert, can hold such dim, archaic and ignorant views of computer;s, software, politics and energy in general.

  19. oiaohm says:

    http://www.morgancars.com.au/3wheeler
    Unfortunately, in Australia, and perhaps some other countries, 3 wheeled vehicles are classed as motorcycles and require (a very difficult to obtain) motorcycle license.
    Not 100 percent true Ram. Morgan has a 3 wheeler that you only require a car license in Australia and its a car.

    Australian Design Rule (ADR) Compliance gets interesting with 3 wheeler is that it can be double registered as a motorcycle and a car(that makes is really interesting on the rego paperwork). So some 3 wheeler you could technically drive with license for car or motorcycle.

    One thing the solo will not have to worry about is the pollution control and that is the most common reason why a lot of 3 wheelers in Australia have been motorcycles as motorcycles have less pollution control regulations than a car rating.

    I don’t know where the solo fits ADR Only half the body height has to be protected in roll over for a car(how convertibles are able to exist). So where the seat is in the solo it could pass for a car I would need to get up with a tape measure and check structural strength to be sure.

    kurkosdr no roof rigidity I don’t know where this is part of any countries regulations to put a car on the road. The roll bars on the Morgan don’t have to be on the car to pass ADR and many other countries. They are put in by the maker for extra safety. This is one thing universally missing from car regulations.

    The lack of roof rigidity is one of the reason why those doing lot of off road work go after market .
    http://www.safetydevices.com/expedition/products/roll-cages/

    You should presume a car/truck roof will collapse unless you have installed a rollcage or was built with manufacture optional rollcage(regulation does not mandate it). The only thing in the regulation is define is how far collapse is allowed. Australia is half the drivers sitting height..

    Think about it if regulation mandated rollcage you would not seen convertibles they way they are.

  20. kurkosdr wrote, “If you want to drive a two-wheeled or three-wheeled death trap which cannot pass any kind of crash-test and has no roof or no roof rigidity, you should at least be able to demonstrate your ability to drive the damn thing competently.”

    It’s amazing how some twit on the web can hold such views when all the test-drives show anyone can come in and drive the thing like a car with no problems. Further, in Canada, Three Wheeled Vehicles need to pass frontal crash-tests. Solo is designed to pass. There is already one TWV certified in Canada and it has less crush-distance than Solo. Roof? I see it in the pictures of Solo. Stop hallucinating. Take note that Solo being much lighter in weight than most other cars needs less strength in the roof to survive rollover. An egg can survive rollover, for instance, despite its fragile cargo and the thinness of its shell.

    In Saskatchewan, a neighbouring province, drivers of Solo are not required to wear a helmet if Solo meets federal crash-testing requirements. Those requirements include front and side crash-test requirements as well as head restraint, steering wheel protection but do not include rollover protection. CMVSS 208 does not require a crash-test but specifies the seatbelting.

  21. kurkosdr says:

    Unfortunately, in Australia, and perhaps some other countries, 3 wheeled vehicles are classed as motorcycles and require (a very difficult to obtain) motorcycle license.

    Which is how things should be. If you want to drive a two-wheeled or three-wheeled death trap which cannot pass any kind of crash-test and has no roof or no roof rigidity, you should at least be able to demonstrate your ability to drive the damn thing competently.

  22. ram says:

    Unfortunately, in Australia, and perhaps some other countries, 3 wheeled vehicles are classed as motorcycles and require (a very difficult to obtain) motorcycle license.

  23. Kurkosdr says:

    AMD did not deliver. Marvell is not delivering their board either. I see a pattern developing. Perhaps Intel is paying someone off again.

    The lizard-people have paid me off to tell you that the product your preordered was a niche product with no real audience and no real R&D money behind it developed by a bunch of romantics (and/or complete loons) who were delusional about the money and expertise required to bring it to market.

    But, don’t believe me. Keep up the faith!

    Much like you should keep up the faith that 600 preorders or so are enough to fund the creation of a proper assembly line capable of the ramp up you prophesize, instead of a glorified garage slowly cranking out poorly built crapboxes.

  24. Deaf Spy says:

    Perhaps Intel is paying someone off again.

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    Geez, Intel didn’t pay AMD not to release their Razor. But would pay them not to release an underperforming ARM chip that can’t compete even with other ARM offerings. Intel didn’t pay Qualcomm to stop them from working with Microsoft to release Windows 10 for ARM for PCs, but Intel also “paid” an obscure manufacturer of specialized MBs for a niche segment not to release a crappy board good only for experiments.

    Robert, you are as fascinating as Fifi. And no, this is not a compliment.

  25. Kurkosdr wrote, “You expected to get your LeMaker Cello.”

    AMD did not deliver. Marvell is not delivering their board either. I see a pattern developing. Perhaps Intel is paying someone off again.

  26. Kurkosdr says:

    So, I expect to get my Solo in 2018, not next decade.

    You expected to get your LeMaker Cello.

  27. Grece says:

    LOL, both of the earlier responses are spot on Robert and now this? No one is going to buy this and use it as their daily driver.

    So, I expect to get my Solo in 2018, not next decade.

    LMAO…Robert, you are just as bad as the Democrats stammering and doubling-down on Russia this and Russia that. I know VERY WELL, that your imaginary Solo, will NOT arrive for years to come, if at all.

    I don’t like to ride a motorcycle and Solo costs about ⅓ as much money to buy.

    Bull!…a Kawasaki Ninja 300 costs about one-third less then your Solo. Your maths are all backwards, just like you confusion between daily sun hours vs. peak sun hours. For an alleged physics guy, you sure are dense.

  28. Kurkosdr says:

    “X is feasible so company Y will succeed in doing it”. Pog reasoning in its best.

  29. Deaf Spy says:

    Comparing apples to oranges. Again. Yawn. Move on, people, nothing interesting here.

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