Impeach Trump Before He Does Any More Damage

“A new Monmouth University poll found that 41% of respondents think that Trump should be impeached and made to leave office, compared to 53% who disagree. These responses were to the same question asked by the Gallup Poll in July 1973 at the beginning of the Watergate scandal. But at that time, 24% of Americans wanted to impeach Nixon, and 62% were opposed.”
 
See Donald Trump: Impeachment Support Holds Steady
It’s going to happen sooner or later. USA can’t wait until 2020 to kick Trump out of office. He’s already wrecked the government. There’s no reason to wait to see how bad it gets.

  • He’s revealed classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office just for kicks. USA does not need an agent of the Russian government running things.
  • He’s offended, frightened and alarmed friends and enemies alike. This is the kind of chaos that breeds wars. South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Japan could even go nuclear if Trump keeps saying stupid things.
  • Trump tells more lies in a week than most politicians do in a career. USA chose him to change that and they made a mistake. Impeachment will fix that mistake.
  • Trump has attacked/insulted/demeaned more women. This is not what the “Leader of the Free World” should be doing and is a disgusting example to put before the youth of the world.
  • Trump has demonstrated schizophrenic decision making, deciding one thing at 6am and declaring something else in the afternoon so his spox have no clue what the fearless leader is thinking. This chaos is not what the country needs. Calm deliberate leadership is needed in good times and bad. He doesn’t lead. He harasses.
  • He shows no interest in good government at all like not balancing the budget, kicking tens of millions off health insurance, retaining obsolete declining industries, not replacing necessary people he fired from the former regime, destroying the environment, education and healthcare, hiring incompetent cronies and relatives, playing golf when he should be thinking what the Hell is going on or solving problems, …
  • Rather than putting “America First”, he’s putting “Trump First”. He spends more time and energy being his own PR person/attack-dog than governing and he’s doing a very bad job of that. He’s out promoting his businesses every chance he gets.
  • He’s obviously spent more than a decade worshipping Putin but instead of moving to Russia where he would fit in perfectly he serves as a subversive agent for Putin doing his best to destroy what’s great about USA.

I don’t know which of these are the highest crimes or misdemeanours but all are sufficient reason to kick him out of office sooner rather than later.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.

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57 Responses to Impeach Trump Before He Does Any More Damage

  1. oiaohm says:

    The solar cells are semiconductor devices, essentially bits of glass and metal that are very durable. However, in space or on Earth cells are subjected to thermal cycling, ionizing radiation, vibration, ambient violence… and they can fail or decline in output.
    Robert Pogson speed of decline is based on construction. Well constructed solar panel are less than 10 percent output reduction every 25 years of operation. This is part leaving space as well. Sunpower panels rating is 10 percent higher than marked to allow for this. So for every 10 panels if you have left space to put in a extra panel in future at 25 years old you add that panel that takes the array out of 50 year old at same power supply rating.

    The backing material is very important to solar panel durability.

    https://www.sunpower.com.au/why-sunpower/high-efficiency-solar-technology/

    Sunpower starting out as company reworking bell labs failures. Samsung is the same so they both make solar panels on really solid base materials with really strong interconnects. Some of the other makes of panels the Solar cell are perfectly fine and the panels not working because the interconnects were not built strong enough. The reality is if you cut part most 20 year and younger solar panels and rework them if they were solid backed panels its rare that a solar cell as failed. Its less than 1 in 10000 solid backed solar panels have a failed cell at 20 years old.

    Solid backed solar cells start failing about about 50 years old and really strongly backed ones start failing at about 75-80 years old. So cheaply built solar panels are failing at less than half the solar cell functional life. So people throwing out 20 year old solar panels are throwing out fully functional solar cells and expanding waste problems. This waste problem would be better solved if governments would mandate solar panels had to be made to sunpower/samsung standards or higher. Sunpower panels you can design 50 and 75 years operation with very reduced panel cost.

    If you go 10 panels and as grece said cheap are dead in 20 years. Lets say 10 panels is required for you supply and we are doing this for a 100 years.
    100/20 that is 50 panels.

    Good at 25 years you add 1 panel. at 50 years you add 2 panels this gets you to 75 years where you remove 10 panels that are 75 years old and install 8 new. That gets you to a 100 years so 21 panels does a 100 years. So less than half the number of solar panels are required if you use quality. Also reduced labor. Yes you need to allow 13 panels worth of space when deploying 10 new panels.

    At 100 its throw another 2 panels on and the panel that is now 75 years old now get scraped. At 125 the two panels that are now 75 get scraped. 150 its replace the 8 again. 175 is replace 2 panels at 75 years old. At 200 its replace 2 panels at 75 years old.

    So the next 100 years only consumes 16 panels. This is without tech improvement.

    So there should be like a 75 year solar panel roll over. Anyone who has done long term system solar panel install maintenance knows these cycles.

  2. oiaohm wrote, “Solar panels with 20 year life span is that consumers are buying crap constructed panels”.

    The solar cells are semiconductor devices, essentially bits of glass and metal that are very durable. However, in space or on Earth cells are subjected to thermal cycling, ionizing radiation, vibration, ambient violence… and they can fail or decline in output. The proper design of systems depending on them will include redundance, acceptance of wide ranges of input/output, and fault-tolerance. In my simple case, a series string delivering a high DC voltage, most of that is taken care of except total destruction of Earth or my mounting system. By running a high DC voltage, I can tolerate several failures of panels/cells and still have reasonably high conversion efficiency to charge the battery and/or deliver 120/240 VAC to my loads. This magic comes courtesy modern switching power-supplies which take whatever the output of the source is and chops it to give the desired output from the convertor. It’s basically pulse-width-modulation. If the input declines, widen the width of the pulse to increase the output current/voltage. An inductor stores whatever energy is delivered in the pulse and keeps the load current going until the next pulse. You see this capability in PC-ATX supplies that accept 120VAC or 240VAC and just keep going with no switching of a tap, just modulation of the switching pulses delivered to an inductor and diode. A rather crude example is the old-fashioned but still useful “spark coil” used in gasoline engines. The coil has battery-voltage applied briefly and then the battery is disconnected. The collapsing magnetic field in the coil delivers a pulse of high voltage for ignition. This works from ~8V, a nearly dead lead-acid battery to ~14V, a recently charged battery. At 8V, the cranking speed is less so the battery-voltage is delivered longer to the coil than at ~12V causing very similar results, ignition. When I was a young lad, I connected 120VAC to the primary of one of those coils and it delivered a nice high voltage at the output. An inductor is a great integrator/averaging device so volts X time is related to the excitation of the coil and the output on the secondary. It’s all good fun if you know what you’re doing.

  3. oiaohm says:

    https://www.sunpower.com.au/sites/international/files/media-library/data-sheets/ds-sp-25yr-combined-warranty.pdf

    Grece there is a difference between quality solar panels and crap. Say solar pannels have only 20 years life is really pissing in the wind yourself. Sunpower and samsung makes satellite grade solar panels. For deployments where you cannon replace solar cells simply or in under 25 years. In fact there are sats from the 1950 still operational with the panels made at Sunpower or Samsung factories.

    Solar panels with 20 year life span is that consumers are buying crap constructed panels. Consumers need it wise up.

  4. Grece says:

    Ode to Peter.

    Piss in the wind
    All you are is piss in the wind

    Same old song, just a drop of water
    In an endless sea
    All you say crumbles to the ground
    Though you refuse to see

    Piss in the wind
    All you are is piss in the wind

    C’est la vie

  5. oiaohm says:

    Not at all, you are just too stupid to know what the hell I am talking about. I have done solar/wind AND battery work in my past. What about you??
    Grece done that in the past as well. This does not mean you know the cost of Solar panel production or used quality products.

    Nothing of what you stated is accurate. Solar panels are only good for 20 years or so. Additionally, you have not taken into account of solar tech radically changing over the next 15-years or so, check the NREL power conversion efficiency chart I linked.
    I have SunPower panels from 1990 in current deployment. They started as a panel recovery company so I have stuff of theirs even older. One thing about that panel its still exactly to its first rating same with their recovered and manufactured products.

    Grece the reality here is a only 20 year life out a solar panel is crap construction.

    Additionally, you have not taken into account of solar tech radically changing over the next 15-years or so, check the NREL power conversion efficiency chart I linked.

    Really I think not. Sunpower form 1990 delivers 28% conversion then about 27% now. Current day gives 36% but over the next 25 years it has a predicted degrade of 8 percent. This is funny when current panel gets to 25 years old it will perform the same as my current ones before stabilizing.

    NREL power conversion efficiency chart
    This is a bad chart. Does not include panel life time degrade rates. So you might be able to get 46% conversion but what is the point when its 10 years old the panels lost 10% so by the time gets to 25 its worse than my current 25+ year old panels at that time.(when my panels are 50 years old they will be better than some of the other chemical constructions at 25 years old)

    So you want a deployment you don’t want to have to replace panels for in the next 50 years you calculate the area in panels need on 20%. This is done for mine and other industrial usage monitoring devices. Some of those monitoring devices with older designed solar panels have been in active deployment for over 50 years.

    Sun power stops at 36% and under rates them so they will work for 25 years.

    Solar panels are interesting beasts you can have high performance or long life-span. At this stage you cannot have both.

    Please note Grece there are only 2 brands you will get panels rated for 25 years under warranty that is SunPower being china and Samsung made panels. All other brands give you 10 years and they become problem at about 20 years old. That is that the panel will be working for 25 years with at worst a 10% drop in output and if the panel is replaced under warranty the replaced panel gets a new 25 year warranty. So they both truly believe in their products. Yes SunPower(prior name) and Samsung panels is what you find in the monitoring devices that had been deployed for 50 years.

    “Bell Labs produce solar cells for space activities.” You see this the reality is bell labs in the 1950 subcontracted two companies to help them. The old USA government requirement of any product they used had to be made by 3 suppliers.

    There are very limited companies with long histories of making quality solar panels.

    There are very few companies that can make solar panels well. A lot of the newer makers of solar panels cost cut on construction leading to the 20 year fail.

  6. Grece says:

    Robert is a good example, of how old people become grumpier later in life.

  7. Ivan says:

    It sounds more like you’d rather ISIS blow up planes than admit Trump did a good thing by sharing intel. If innocent people have to die to satisfy your hatred for a man that doesn’t do anything that impacts your life in any significant way, then DrLoser is right and you are a horrible human being.

  8. Ivan wrote, “it’s yellow journalism using outrageous claims to get the reader’s clicks”.

    No, it’s good journalism keeping Trump honest, as far as that is possible. Trump acknowledged the truth of the information. He justified it claiming he didn’t reveal Israel was the source of the information. No one said he did but the source was Israel and Trump did tell the Russians what and where, enough for murdering bastards and Syrians and Russians to figure out what to bomb.

  9. Ivan says:

    That’s protecting sources and methods

    No, Bob, it’s yellow journalism using outrageous claims to get the reader’s clicks and that sweet advertising dollar from said click. Trump hysteria is on par with Slick Willy’s first term but with less actual cause.

  10. Grece says:

    The reality here Grece you were making up bogus anti solar panel stuff.

    Not at all, you are just too stupid to know what the hell I am talking about. I have done solar/wind AND battery work in my past. What about you??

    A good design of solar panel will be operational for 50 years+. Batteries might only last 5-10 years.

    Nothing of what you stated is accurate. Solar panels are only good for 20 years or so. Additionally, you have not taken into account of solar tech radically changing over the next 15-years or so, check the NREL power conversion efficiency chart I linked.

    Regarding batteries, they are can be good anywhere from 3-100 years. SO and IN reality, you do not know what in the hell you are talking about Peter.

  11. Grece says:

    How many panels are you planning for Robert?

    Have you calculated you weight and design loads for wind?

    Have you picked a microinverter supplier yet, or are you using a single inverter?

    What about connectivity back to your home? Will this array be off-grid possibly?

  12. oiaohm wrote, “if they are tracking this puts another overhead on”.

    In my case that’s a low overhead. I already have a suitable stepping motor and lots of steel for a frame. All I lack are a suitable hub and drive gears. I’m thinking a spur gear and chain drive. I also have reed switches which will serve as limits. My big expenses will be cement, rebar, panels and battery. I guess the cabling will be expensive too but that’s available locally.

  13. oiaohm says:

    Robert Pogson the recovery figure on a solar panels is 500Hours at full rating once you hit that the cost of in production is covered compared to using coal or oil. That is the worse CO2 producing production of solar panels. So even with the worst year cost of Solar panel production will be recovered. Please note that 500Hours allows for a 40 percent lose in storage between solar collection and use.

    Solar panel non tracking don’t get 100 of meteorology predicted sun hours Robert and if they are tracking this puts another overhead on. Even so the cost of production of the solar panel will be recovered in the first year. The cost of the batteries is really the thing to worry about. Of course quality solar cells are worth the investment long term. Please note quality solar cells are not aways the most expensive.

    You are dyslexic and autistic, you cannot condense a thought down to a single paragraph ever!
    Grece really you start using these stunts when what I have written proves you wrong. Sometimes answers are not short. The reality is the thing you got into Robert about was pointless once you looked up what the recovery time was.

    The reality here Grece you were making up bogus anti solar panel stuff. There are issues with Solar panels solution but it is not the cost of Solar panel production. Its the lack durability of some brands and in fact batteries. A good design of solar panel will be operational for 50 years+. Batteries might only last 5-10 years. So you biggest CO2 waste will come from the storage solution even when using the fast degrading solar panels. Most put solar back in grid ideas don’t work because most power grids around the world don’t have the storage to take in solar when it at peak. Labor costs and battery costs and markup costs are all great factors than the solar panel production cost.

  14. Ivan wrote, “When every article about Trump has a paragraph at the end of it that states there is actually no evidence to support the article’s accusations, yes PR is the issue.”

    That’s not PR. That’s protecting sources and methods, something Trumpists know nothing about. There has been a lot of good reporting on Trumpism. Many news items from NYT and WAPO have been proven true even though the sources of the information were not revealed. e.g. Donald Jr’s e-mails. What PR will make those go away? Intent to commit collusion followed by face to face meetings is pretty damning evidence. It doesn’t so much matter whether a court will send someone to jail over that. It’s much more important that the cheater be driven from office. Unfortunately Pence is next in line to the throne. So far, we haven’t heard anything to kick him out but at least he’s way more polite than Trump.

    Say! Here‘s a last line that I like!
    “the House intelligence committee announced it will interview Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner on Tuesday as part of its probe into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. Kushner is being interviewed by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Monday.”

    There’s no mention of there being no evidence to back this up.

    See also, Washington Post: Sessions discussed Trump campaign with Russian ambassador, per intel intercepts

    CNN quotes Justice as stating, “anonymous sources describe in a wholly uncorroborated intelligence intercept that the Washington Post has not seen and that has not been provided to me”, but WAPO begins its article with, “Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials.”, so the sources do exist and WAPO and others have been right on with their early discoveries. Thank Goodness there is still a free press in USA or Trump would have firing squads at work all over the country purifying thoughts. Trump may be able to fool voters and other politicians but skeptical journalists are more difficult. Liars have to be able to remember every lie they’ve ever told or they get found out and lies just don’t fit the facts as well as truth.

  15. Ivan says:

    Again PR is not the issue.

    When every article about Trump has a paragraph at the end of it that states there is actually no evidence to support the article’s accusations, yes PR is the issue.

  16. Impeachment may be closer than I hoped. Recent developments include:

    • Trump has replaced the angry Spicer with the smoother Wall Street Guy. That’s an act of desperation, a drowning man clutching at straws. The problem is not with the SPOX but with Trump who constantly changes his message.
    • It has been revealed that while not much “collusion” was discussed at the mysterious meeting Trump’s team forgot about, an envelope was passed… Is it still collusion if done by dead-tree mail?
    • Sessions is reported to have had substantive conversations about reducing sanctions against the Russians. What was the quid pro quo?
    • Manafort and Ivanka’s hubby have agreed to in camera meetings with staff of one investigative committee. That’s progress. They were being coy, trying to maintain some semblance of controlling the avalanche of information pouring down Trump mountain.
    • More senators have spoken the word, “impeachment”. A threshold of the will to take action has been crossed.
    • Trump has added another layer of lawyers to the White House, a PR lawyer…. Chuckle. Again PR is not the issue. Trumpism is. Trump has also asked his lawyers to brush him up on the use of pardon. He’s even thinking he might be able to pardon himself…
    • Yes, and Trump is muttering still that he might get Mueller fired. That would be a red line for many senators, some of whom have suggested hiring Mueller and his staff back as their investigators if Trump fires him or jumping directly to impeachment. Can you just envision a convoy of armoured cars taking the evidence to safety out of Trump’s clutches? Maybe there’s already a backup somewhere…. Chuckle…
    • It turns out, just mentioning examining Trump’s finances is a hot button with Trump. It’s on his desk, marked, “Fire Mueller”. This is prima facie evidence that Trump has likely been selling/renting real estate to fat Russians as a way of laundering their money and getting “loans” from Russia to prop up his empire. Trump even blurted this hint out in an interview. He said, “We may have sold some condos…”. Mueller must have chuckled. Trump is crumbling under the least pressure.

    So, rats have started to leave the sinking ship. Who will be the first rat to spill the beans in exchange for immunity? In every conspiracy, there is one or more cooperative rat. Trump can’t pardon all the rats in advance so the rats will have to choose. Either way they lose. Which is easier, losing support of Trump while earning his attacks or spending a decade or so in prison? Further, the big rats can’t do much without some little rat knowing about it. How many little rats who can’t afford a lawyer will be willing to go to prison for love of a traitor? Trump has already thrown the likes of his dirty general Flynn, Sessions, and now Spicer under the bus. Who will be next?

  17. oiaohm wrote, “solar panels are not always that green. But they are power emissions neutral to a power grid like the USA after 12 months of operation as that has generated more power than what was used making them.
     
    EU has lower emissions solar panel production plants than China yet China has lower emission production plants than USA.”

    Yes, a little use to break even and the rest of 25 year lifetime is gravy. The capital cost takes a little longer but just the availability of power you may not use has value. For charging my Solo, for instance, the solar panels will charge it at home most of the time but on longer trips the car will be charged at $free public stations and my solar power probably won’t be used after the battery is topped up.

    So, the cost of charging my Solo, a couple of hundred dollars per annum will take longer to recover the cost of installation which is why I will contribute lots of my labour and just use an electrician, concrete and such expenses as little as possible. I have the steel for the project already except for the pivot and drive, and my land has plenty of stone to build the pier and house for the battery/inverter.

    The battery and PV panels will be the major expense, say $5K. Over $300 per annum for electrical power, that will cost 10-15 years to break even, still OK by me. I will also be able to use solar power to run a sump pump in the garden and to heat a small greenhouse. That will speed cost-recovery. Don’t forget the panels will shade my picnic table too… Putting up panels is faster than growing a tree. The oldest tree in the yard is about five years old and it’s not ten feet tall yet. Once TLW sees how cool it will be under there, she may want panels over her deck which is like an oven in the heat of a summer’s day. She has just a single parasol that doesn’t cover most of the deck so it’s of limited usefulness. I did get her to agree to plant grapes and Virginia creeper but that takes years to make shade while panels are quick. Perhaps I should buy more panels than I need for my car-charging and have some on hand for her deck. They could run lights and pumps during the daylight. Her deck is huge.

  18. oiaohm wrote, “2300h/a< < figure Robert used is way high".

    Again, that’s the number for where I live and I will point the panels towards Sun. I live near the centre of North America and it is a very sunny location. Those are the hours of pure sunlight on average. Of course, there is some output even on a cloudy day. Yesterday, we had a thunderstorm come right over us and it was unusually dark in mid-day but that is very unusual being right under a cumulonimbus cloud. Most of our clouds are much thinner. So, the number I gave is not way too high.

  19. Grece says:

    Not going to read all that dribble Peter.

    You are dyslexic and autistic, you cannot condense a thought down to a single paragraph ever!

  20. oiaohm says:

    Grece support contracts with mining I have mentioned that before. So what is going on with countries consumes of resources does effect by bottom line.

    The reduction of consume of coal by china for power usage is not in a simple Google or Wikipedia search. China gives 10 to 15 year forecasts to mining operations on what there consumes are going to be for dependable supply.

    Besides regurgitating Wikipedia and Google
    I have not done that every time just you have not been paying attention as normal Grece.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/foreign-affairs/china-halts-construction-of-85-coalfired-power-stations-20170117-gtszld

    China is doing a lot of things.

    Big one is restricting the amount of local coal the produce so pushing the price of coal up so making it less cost effective to use coal.

    Lot of the emission calculations of china are using china mas power generation number.
    Mr Yuan estimates as much as 20 per cent of the capacity at China’s coal-fired power stations was not used last year.
    Do note that bit. China has in fact built more power plants than they in fact need.

    I should have be more correct import and local coal as the new power plants come on will drop under current coal consume levels in china own forcast.

    Reality is china is going after the 20 percent generation they wasted. So more integration of storage. Its a different design power-station to store power as well as generate in coal.

    “China to increase coal-fired power capacity by 20 percent” so this is increase capacity about 20 percent by fixing the 20 percent of power generation waste in their current system. Basically better design.

    Besides regurgitating Wikipedia and Google Peter, do you even work in the energy business?
    Grece I don’t need to ask idiot you that question because you directly don’t over you claims over solar panels and the like.

    http://news.energysage.com/what-are-the-most-efficient-solar-panels-on-the-market/

    2 brands of solar panels on the market exceed 20% conversion.
    Sun Power is manufactured in China. Panasonic has factories all over the place.

    Reality is some of the Sun Power existing are over the 30% but you do pay more for those. So you are after decent efficiency produced in bulk in solar panels you are get Sun Power panels from China.

    https://www.sunpower.com.au/solar-panels-technology/e-series-solar-panels/
    Sun Power are interesting rating. Like if they are rated 300W they are 324W in the first year. Why 8% higher to allow that over the 25 years of operation that they will only down grade to their rating in 25 years. They are one of the few makers who panel rate on outside is it end of life rating also one of the few brands that only loses 8 percent of starting output over 25 year expected operational life.

    Solar panels from china if the good brand Sun Power will cover there CO2 production cost in 12 months of operation. Even most of the cheap brands will. But the cheaper brands you will have to deploy either a large area over time due to degrade or replace sooner.

    2300h/a<< figure Robert used is way high. Grece the solar panel production cost is covered less 500 hours. Sun Power maths is based if you stand the panel at either the north or south pole where you only get half a year of sun and it facing fixed so it only getting half the sun. So fairly much worse case other than putting the panel where it cannot get sunlight. So when you say a year to cover a panel production cost that is being extremely conservative. Did not matter what panels they chose. Sun Power wanted to document something good for marketing and it came o bugger there is not much of different there so it better to focus on the life span differences not the time to cover CO2 cost. Really governments should ban some of the badly made solar panels.

    When someone starts talking about solar panel environmental cost its always better than burning coal and gas. Now recycling of dead panels and proper manufacturing of panels does need to come.

  21. Grece says:

    Besides regurgitating Wikipedia and Google Peter, do you even work in the energy business?

  22. oiaohm says:

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/solar/solar-energy-isnt-always-as-green-as-you-think
    Grece yes solar panels are not always that green. But they are power emissions neutral to a power grid like the USA after 12 months of operation as that has generated more power than what was used making them.

    EU has lower emissions solar panel production plants than China yet China has lower emission production plants than USA.

    “China to increase coal-fired power capacity by 20 percent”
    That tittle is deceptive. Yes China will generate 20 percent more electricity from coal would you mind explain why 10 percent less import of coal for power generation Grece. They updating their coal powered plants to more effective ones. So more electricity less CO2 emissions total.

    Its really simple to push a false idea when you are only seen places publishing part of the facts. The 10 percent reduction of coal china wants for power generation is effecting the Australian mining sector.

    Yes it one thing to look at china percentage of power generation and say USA should be the same but the reality is the USA is running older designed Coal power plants than china as well that are not that effective. Need to step back and look at the total picture on a lot of these things.

  23. Grece says:

    No one knows what you are writing about.

    Obviously you don’t.

  24. Grece wrote, “what panels are you referring to? Perovskite panels have a power conversion efficiency exceeding 20% at best, crystalline silicone about the same”.

    The efficiency of a panel may affect the cost of an installation but it has nothing to do with the output of the panel which may be determined by area, insolation, glass covering etc. Wake up, Grece! No one knows what you are writing about.

  25. Grece says:

    a panel rated 300W is rated 300W

    Robert, every day you remind me of Peter.

    I may ask, what panels are you referring to? Perovskite panels have a power conversion efficiency exceeding 20% at best, crystalline silicone about the same. The same with induction motors and transformers, there are losses always to be had.

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/sunshot/crystalline-silicon-photovoltaics-research

    https://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.21807!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/544155a.pdf

    Here is an applicable chart by the NREL: https://www.nrel.gov/pv/assets/images/efficiency-chart.png

    The record appears to be 46% power conversion efficiency, but you nor I will be able to have that technology for a good while.

    Now, I won’t set here and lecture you on how stupid you sound, but I have done work in the solar industry. You, all you have done is teach a bunch of Nunavut’s how to play on Debian.

  26. Grece wrote a bunch of crap, including this gem, “using your alleged 300W panel. Let’s assume it has a dimension of 156 x 156 mm2, with that said, as of 2017, solar cell efficiency is closer to 20%.”

    A 300W panel will be of the order of 1mX2m in size, not 156*156 mm2 and a panel rated 300W is rated 300W of output under optimal conditions, not before conversion efficiency or whatever. Grece, you’re muddled. I will be pointing my panels so they will give decent output and it matters not a whit to the argument at hand about waste… How is my argument invalidated if the output sags to 250W? It’s not. Sun gives us $free energy and a PV panel pays for itself handsomely.

  27. Grece says:

    Well, suppose a 35kg solar panel delivers 300W X 2300h/a X 25a and all that 35kg is waste… That’s 17250 kWh of energy…

    Those are highly specious figures Robert.

    For one, your alleged 300W solar panel, alleged as you won’t own one EVER, are never 100% efficient. I am not going to go into details concerning fill factor, quantum and p-n junction inefficiencies, thermodynamic, maximum power and infinite-stack limits. but it is safe to say, your theoretical power of 17250kWh is completely wrong.

    Two, I did not know you could predict the weather, namely the sun. The data you use is OLD! “All the data are averages for the years 1981 to 2010”

    Three, using your alleged 300W panel. Let’s assume it has a dimension of 156 x 156 mm2, with that said, as of 2017, solar cell efficiency is closer to 20%.

    Four, I would refer you to the alleged “imagined” solar panel values listed on the backside. Namely, the Pmpp, Impp, and Vmpp values.

    Five, taking into consideration of your past history. Your alleged “imagined” solar panel would most likely derive from China, that has no consumer labeling nor are CSA/UL rated. So any values you spit out of your decrepit mouth is pure fantasy and utterly useless.

  28. Deaf Spy shouted, ” Do you know what the pollution costs are for producing a solar panel that is expected to produce X kW of energy during his lifetime? Can you compare it to other means to produce X kW of energy?”

    Well, suppose a 35kg solar panel delivers 300W X 2300h/a X 25a and all that 35kg is waste… That’s 17250 kWh of energy for 35kg waste, 493 kWh/kg. BTW, that much energy is worth five times the cost of the panel… Meanwhile, my SUV generates nothing using about ten times that much petroleum monthly.

  29. Grece wrote, “What about the rest of the planet?”

    It’s not too late. We invested heavily in the 1960s and 70s to get where we are. We had the vision. Manitoba Hydro thinks ~20 years ahead. Trump is thinking ~50 years back, putting USA in a deeper hole. Perhaps Trump doesn’t think at all because every few hours he reverses course, wasting fuel instead of accomplishing the goal. OTOH, his goal could be to wreck USA and retire in Russia to a hero’s welcome.

  30. Grece says:

    Rather dated paper: http://svtc.org/wp-content/uploads/Silicon_Valley_Toxics_Coalition_-_Toward_a_Just_and_Sust.pdf

    Lists all sort of nasties derived for and from solar panels. Arsenic, cadmium telluride, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride are just some of the chemicals used to manufacture various types of solar cells.

    Roberts argument is analogous in stating that compact fluorescent bulbs are environmentally friendly and better for the environment, as they use less power. This is true, but what happens when it burns out and gets tossed into the trash?

    Lets see, sometime ago, China closed 583 of their lead battery and manufacturing plants due to a large number of mass lead poisoning incidents in the vicinity of the plants.

    Additionally, China and India have both set on aspiring missions to increase the amount of solar power generation in underserved regions. China aims to add 1.6 GW of solar capacity by 2020, while India sets the bar even higher with a goal of 12 GW by 2022. However, China and India’s lead mining, battery production and recycling industries are relatively inefficient and according to estimators, the new solar energy systems of both countries combined will be good for 2400 kilotons of environmental lead loss, equal to about one-third of global lead production.

    Robert, how is that possible! You said solar was green!! Actually solar is blue, ashen-grey and a smidgen of bullshit.

  31. Grece says:

    We use hydro mostly here and we have hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of storage which Sun keeps replenishing through precipitation.

    What about the rest of the planet? You only care about yourself Robert!

  32. Deaf Spy says:

    Batteries are pretty good reservoirs…

    And source of a hell of a lot of industrial pollution.

    Until you bring actual numbers to the table, Robert, you are only funny.

  33. Deaf Spy says:

    it’s much less for PV panels than burning oil all over the planet

    Where is your data, Robert? Do you know what the pollution costs are for producing a solar panel that is expected to produce X kW of energy during his lifetime? Can you compare it to other means to produce X kW of energy?

    …a few point sources than a billion vehicles…

    Stupid thing to say when you advocate solar panels. Solar panels for toys and garden lighting are already millions, Robert. Gosh, I have about 10 running in my garden and about 20 already sent to the trash, because their quality doesn’t let them last more than two years.

    What will happen if every household gets a solar panel? Or / and a windmill?

    You have no data, Robert. Just blind and stubborn convictions.

  34. Grece wrote, “Trying to tackle climate change with intermittent weather dependent renewable energy is a fools errand.”

    Nope. Storage helps. We use hydro mostly here and we have hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of storage which Sun keeps replenishing through precipitation. Batteries are pretty good reservoirs and many find it useful to pump water back over the dam too. Others use compressed air, phase-changes, hydrogen and even spinning tops.

  35. Deaf Spy wrote, “Robert thinks that production of solar panels, windmills and batteries emits no pollution whatsoever”.

    Not true! Of course almost all industrial production pollutes but it’s much less for PV panels than burning oil all over the planet and it’s much less for a few point sources than a billion vehicles and hundreds of million of homes and factories. The point sources can be monitored, controlled and cleaned up. What are you going to do with a vehicle lasting ten years spewing junk and crawling over the planet?

  36. Deaf Spy says:

    For reasons unknown, Robert thinks that production of solar panels, windmills and batteries emits no pollution whatsoever.

  37. Grece says:

    Sweden and France solved the problem of decarbonizing their electricity sectors in the 1980s by the large scale deployment of nuclear power.

    Trying to tackle climate change with intermittent weather dependent renewable energy is a fools errand.

  38. Grece says:

    Hmmmm.. we can move to 100% renewables by declaring that all energy sources are renewable. After all, they exist, so they must have been created, so they can be created again.

    Solar isn’t green: http://www.ocregister.com/2015/10/21/its-not-easy-being-green-ivanpah-solar-plant-near-nevada-burns-a-lot-of-natural-gas-making-it-a-greenhouse-gas-emitter-under-state-law/

  39. Deaf Spy wrote, “there is no evidence that renewable energy is cleaner”.

    Oil, soot, NOx, CO2, O3 cleaner than sunshine, PV conversion and photosynthesis and evaporation? Go back to your hole in the ground or get out more. You obviously lack knowledge of our reality.

  40. Deaf Spy says:

    They are also the leader in renewable energy production …

    And there is no evidence that renewable energy is cleaner.

  41. oiaohm wrote, “China is quite effective per head of population.”

    They are also the leader in renewable energy production because they know it’s the right thing to do. Meanwhile USA has an idiot for a leader who thinks oil and coal are just fine except we are not burning enough.

  42. oiaohm says:

    Really running production methods that have higher pollution generation normally have a higher over all cost so make your countries production non competitive.

    Idiot simplistic look make some in the USA and others think they would do better if they could have more pollution. USA current production should be able to double and remain at current emissions levels if they improve to china level of efficiency. The resources consume and red tape makes USA productions in a lot of cases not cost effective.

    Its really easy to target the tall poppy and then ignore other poppies who are causing more harm in combination.

  43. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

    Ivan the china one is up for debate. Do you go pollution per head of population or pollution per country.

    Pollution per head of population is UAE then USA then Australia. China is quite effective per head of population.

    The scary part is if every country came as effective as china per head of population 1/3 of the global total emissions could be removed. Yes removing the same amount china produces yearly.

    It is really simple to point to the largest emitter until you wake up the same item produced in the USA or other places would have a higher CO2 and pollution bill.

    So it a hard question if Robert buying from china is right or wrong. If USA was equal efficiency that would be a different matter but its not.

    Grece you do go around filling blog with insult spam and pointless video links and the like so wasting other people bandwidth. You also don’t want a person to be truthful.

  44. Ivan says:

    I’d also like to point out that Donald Trump has never sold sex robots with rape settings. But he’s the worse thing ever.

  45. Ivan says:

    Today in random whiny people that will never immigrate to vote against Satan: Mental hoops are jumped through.

    He’s revealed classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office just for kicks.

    Because the random whiny person wants ISIS to bomb a plane.

    He’s offended, frightened and alarmed friends and enemies alike.

    He’s said stupid shit on twitter. You say stupid shit on your blog. You are very similar, Bob.

    Trump tells more lies in a week than most politicians do in a career.

    No. He’s never told the world he was using gay hookers to cover up a hetero affair with another representative.

    Trump has attacked/insulted/demeaned more women.

    This coming from the person that has no problem with men calling themselves women so they can rape women in shelters. Enough with the white male liberal guilt, Bob.

    Trump has demonstrated schizophrenic decision making, deciding one thing at 6am and declaring something else in the afternoon so his spox have no clue what the fearless leader is thinking.

    Maybe he should just install Debian and use Korganizer. Then he can use your script to cheat in Khangman and obsess over a useless toy car.

    He shows no interest in good government at all like not balancing the budget, kicking tens of millions off health insurance, retaining obsolete declining industries, not replacing necessary people he fired from the former regime, destroying the environment, education and healthcare, hiring incompetent cronies and relatives, playing golf when he should be thinking what the Hell is going on or solving problems,…

    You have no interest in not writing lengthy run on sentences. Which of these is more insulting?

    Rather than putting “America First”, he’s putting “Trump First”.

    Clearly he should put Debian first so he can obsess over toy cars.

    He’s obviously spent more than a decade worshipping Putin but instead of moving to Russia where he would fit in perfectly he serves as a subversive agent for Putin doing his best to destroy what’s great about USA.

    As opposed to your worshiping of China. Quick question: which country is destroying the Earth quicker?

    A.) China.

    Thanks for playing, Bob.

  46. Grece says:

    Fifi, go find yourself a baboon. No one cares about your opinion, you dumbass.

    May I remind you, that it is YOU who is the court jester here.

    I don’t go on blogs and post that I have dyslexia, as my reasoning due to not being able to compose a functioning sentence.

    I don’t go on blogs and post that my writing style is special, and scientific in nature and analogous to doctors.

    I don’t go on blogs and post that I have biological issues that cause wireless routers to drop offline.

    I don’t go on blogs and post that I paint my face black and dance the the macarena, while jumping around looking like Harambe.

    I don’t go on blogs and post that I have Marfan Syndrome, so this gives me an advantage to picking citrus fruit.

    ¡Ay, caramba!

  47. oiaohm says:

    Untraceable explosives, killing innocent people or not-sharing life-saving information??
    Problem here is the information on this bit was already shared before trumps meeting with Russia personal because of the very reason you just said Grece . It was need to that airlines and countries had been informed about the method and what could be done to attempt to detect it by Israeli Intelligence themselves. So the life-saving information had been already shared. The collection method had not been.o

  48. oiaohm says:

    Grece really having to use a youtube video means that you are unable to back your point. So you are a idiot who just wants to troll.

  49. Grece says:

    So Russia personal went fishing for an idiot who had more access and would tell them more. That idiot turned out to be Trump.

    Well, ahem…I think we can all agree that the ONLY idiot here, is you Peter. That’s right, even George Takei would agree.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TWPFQG93k

  50. Grece says:

    Which would you prefer Robert?

    Untraceable explosives, killing innocent people or not-sharing life-saving information??

    It seems to me by your stance, that you would prefer silence and ending the lives of untold human beings? I seem to recall sometime ago, that you made big stink about crimes against humanity and here you are defending such actions, you are a senile hypocrite Robert.

  51. oiaohm says:

    According to the report, the information was so good that it allowed the United States to learn that the terror cell was working on explosives that could fool airport security by passing as a laptop battery. The information helped support a ban since March on carrying electronics such as laptops on incoming flights from number of predominantly Muslim countries to the United States and Britain.
    But there is a big problem here. Israeli Intelligence had already released the information in redacted form to Airlines and all countries of the EU security council this include Russia.

    So Russia personal went fishing for an idiot who had more access and would tell them more. That idiot turned out to be Trump. So now Trump may not get to see as complete information to make his future security decisions on because you can bet more operation stuff will be filtered out before it gets to Trumps hands in future so he cannot leak it.

    Since the Israeli Intelligence had released redacted form Trump answer should have been go talk to Israeli Intelligence not answer Russia questions. Remember this is Chinese whispers problem since the information has passed from Israeli to the USA then to Russia extra errors could be in the information Russia got due to Trumps stupidity. Lot of wars start because of incorrect information you need people with this information third hand like Trump to answer you need to talk to X as they were the source. Every country leader get this training when they take office in the first security briefing before they are told any information.

  52. Grece wrote, “Discussing lap-top security on airplanes is not giving away State secrets.”

    Perhaps not, but the fool revealed sources and methods of Israeli intelligence gathering. Do you think that agent will continue to work for Israel knowing Trump will blab it all over? Do you think Russia will incorporate that information in their quest to kill “terrorists”/opponents of Assad? Do you think Israel will ever be stupid enough to tell USA anything as long as Trump is around? This is about far more than notebooks. It’s about properly vetting of classified information by people who know what they are doing and who aren’t working for Putin. If their was a legitimate reason to release some such information a carefully worded memo should have been prepared by professionals who know how to do it, not a blabber-mouth.

  53. Grece says:

    Much to do about nothing Robert. Discussing lap-top security on airplanes is not giving away State secrets. Furthermore, An Israeli cyber unit managed to penetrate Islamic State bomb-makers’ cell in Syria, which the intelligence led to a laptop flight ban.

    According to the report, the information was so good that it allowed the United States to learn that the terror cell was working on explosives that could fool airport security by passing as a laptop battery. The information helped support a ban since March on carrying electronics such as laptops on incoming flights from number of predominantly Muslim countries to the United States and Britain.

    So, this was over a computer exploit of ISIS by Israel, given to U.S. and then given to Russia. All in the name to save lives Robert. The news media and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  54. Grece wrote, “The Democrats and fake news media, keep making this accusation with no evidence whatsoever”.

    Repeatedly calling it Fake News doesn’t make it so. The Russians reported the story was true and Trump boasted about how he did it to impress the Russians. There wasn’t anything about USA First in all that. It was just pumping up egos. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

    and http://time.com/4788631/donald-trump-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-intelligence/

    So, you can identify a true Trumpist when he denies that Trump said or did something that Trump boasts about saying or doing. I don’t have words to describe that behaviour. Is it delusion? Denial? Childish? All of these?

  55. Grece says:

    The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from July 13 to 16, 2017 with 800 adults in the United States. The results in this release have a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percent. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.

    LOL, not knowing the demographics, namely, party affiliation, location and age pretty much makes this poll useless Robert. On a point-by-point basis, I find your political analysis on Trump, equally useless.

    Lets review.

    He’s revealed classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office just for kicks. USA does not need an agent of the Russian government running things.

    The Democrats and fake news media, keep making this accusation with no evidence whatsoever. As a CNN viewer Robert, you espouse these accusations by virtue signaling the same narrative on this so-called computer blog.

    He’s offended, frightened and alarmed friends and enemies alike. This is the kind of chaos that breeds wars. South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Japan could even go nuclear if Trump keeps saying stupid things.

    Breeds wars Robert? I highly doubt anything Trump has said, could start a war with South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Japan.

    Trump tells more lies in a week than most politicians do in a career. USA chose him to change that and they made a mistake. Impeachment will fix that mistake.

    What lies are you referring too? I seem to remember telling Americans that if we had an existing healthcare plan, we could keep it.

    Trump has attacked/insulted/demeaned more women. This is not what the “Leader of the Free World” should be doing and is a disgusting example to put before the youth of the world.

    I am sorry Robert, but Rosie O’Donnell is a fat disgusting pig. So is Amy Schumer.

    Trump has demonstrated schizophrenic decision making, deciding one thing at 6am and declaring something else in the afternoon so his spox have no clue what the fearless leader is thinking. This chaos is not what the country needs. Calm deliberate leadership is needed in good times and bad. He doesn’t lead. He harasses.

    Good God, I am glad we don’t have a woman as president. Women change their mind’s all the time!

    He shows no interest in good government at all like not balancing the budget, kicking tens of millions off health insurance, retaining obsolete declining industries, not replacing necessary people he fired from the former regime, destroying the environment, education and healthcare, hiring incompetent cronies and relatives, playing golf when he should be thinking what the Hell is going on or solving problems.

    Well you form of government is not the kind of government that the majority of Americans would want Robert. Concerning two of the items you mention, America could never “balance the budget” as we are a debt based nation. Regarding healthcare, I very much prefer to purchase health insurance as I do with home/life and auto insurance online.

    See this as reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBfC1YG9wIs

    Rather than putting “America First”, he’s putting “Trump First”. He spends more time and energy being his own PR person/attack-dog than governing and he’s doing a very bad job of that. He’s out promoting his businesses every chance he gets.

    He’s obviously spent more than a decade worshipping Putin but instead of moving to Russia where he would fit in perfectly he serves as a subversive agent for Putin doing his best to destroy what’s great about USA.

    The last two points are just personal opinion and also useless. I believe, giving that a 70-year old man has a model wife in her forties must be seriously envious to you, and this makes you jealous. Why else would you rant incessantly about Trump this, and Trump that.

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