Electra Meccanica Is Ready For Production

They showed a video of their “open house” affair. The factory may be small but it’s adequate to produce a few units every week. They use four assembly stations: chassis, electrics, interior/wheels, and finishing. The big surprise for me was them showing the assembly of modules for the battery. I would have expected the modules would be made in China as a standard part… Nevertheless, EMV is able to produce nearly one a day with this setup.

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About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.

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30 Responses to Electra Meccanica Is Ready For Production

  1. oiaohm says:

    The aerospace composite chassis
    This is important.

    You’re an idiot, they are still welding the chassis during construction.
    There is a solvent weld that is used in aerospace with composite chassis. The core of the chassis has no heat base welding. It welded the same way you weld PVC pipe together. I call it glueing. You don’t have bright arc blocking what you are seeing you don’t need a stack of gear protecting peoples vision.

    Heat based welding is not use that much in aerospace due to deformities it can cause.

    Why in the hell, would InterMeccanica be still pricing small scale mass production, when they have been in business for five decades?
    InterMeccanica is a company movie studios go to when they want a custom car like 20 of them. So they are a custom car builder they price on that model.

    This is why InterMeccanica pricing on the solo is right. They have not priced as if they are producing thousands straight up.

    Name one electric, battery-powered, three-wheel concept car, in production today.
    There were two on the ali site of china you reference before so should I presume you referenced something you did not bother reading though Grece. In fact with the same size wheels and motor different upper body of course and reduced range due to increase weight of that chassis.

    Solo is upgrade in design to what is already in production in china.

    Corrugated aluminum panels have no crash strength, if someone wrecks into you, you’re most certainly dead.
    That is not want they are using. If you look at the edge of the panels they are filled. Different pictures show this. Yes Corrugated aluminium filled with air has no crash strength. Corrugated aluminium filled with the right ceramic has a higher crush resistance than steel. The material they are using is what is used to make cargo floor reinforcing in aircraft. So that chassis is a lot stronger than what it looks.

    You can think of each of those sheet to give some rough idea of strength as sheet steel. In fact think of something make out of sheet steel and have equal strength it has to be about 1/3 thicker than the composite. If that was steel it would be too heavy to move.

    if there was, three wheel vehicles would be on the road today.
    In China and India they are on the road. This is you being USA centric.

    Having Solo mass produced in China near the biggest markets that use 3 wheel cars make absolute sense. The Solo revision for china includes a 2 seater model being talked about by making it slightly longer. The material the solo chassis is made from can do that.

  2. Grece says:

    I’m willing to pay it because the vehicle uniquely meets my needs to get from A to B without a lot of maintenance.

    Just because you are willing, doesn’t mean you will be able. Just another week gone-by, without a single Solo shipped to a paying customer.

    Get everyone to live in cities with mass transit…

    Sounds like a ramblings of a green party socialist; your ideas are not very popular, we see this is the kind of equipment that you pick. Instead of buying a used EV and continuing on with your life, you prefer to cough-up money for a preorder that will never bear fruit.

  3. Kurkosdr wrote, “You preordered a vehicle from a Custom Body Shop and you don’t know if they will manage to fulfill all orders. A move of questionable sanity.”

    That’s a statement of questionable logic. I do know they will manage to fulfill all orders because they can make a product people want and for which people are willing to pay.

  4. Kurkosdr says:

    Pog, it doesn’t matter how nice or not it is. You preordered a vehicle from a Custom Body Shop and you don’t know if they will manage to fulfill all orders. A move of questionable sanity.

  5. Grece wrote a bunch of nonsense like “Corrugated aluminum panels have no crash strength, if someone wrecks into you, you’re most certainly dead.”

    The corrugated aluminium is fore and aft. That’s quite a blessing in the most likely collisions. The cabin is quite strong and will hold together in a survivable crash. Side impacts are a different matter. However, it’s far superior to a motorcycle with little or no protection for a rider or passenger.

    Grece also wrote, “No one can workout the margin for the Solo, except Jerry. To say otherwise is just pure speculation.”

    Idiocy. Go shopping. How much do you pay for stuff? Lumps of steel cost $few per pound. Solo is 1380 pounds. Do the maths. Price is ~$20K CDN. There’s a considerable margin. I’m willing to pay it because the vehicle uniquely meets my needs to get from A to B without a lot of maintenance.

    Grece also wrote, “There is no market for such a vehicle, if there was, three wheel vehicles would be on the road today.”

    I remember owning a trike back in the 1950s. There definitely was a market for them. My father had caught a mink that was getting into his chicken-coop and the proceeds paid for the trike. It worked. It was stable. It was less maintenance than a bicycle which was the competition. Today, four-wheeled vehicles have developed a lot but they have terrible disadvantages: ICE, oil-dependency, stench/pollution, weight and size disproportionate to the need to transport individuals from A to B, inefficiency, rapid deterioration and high maintenance costs. An electric vehicle is needed and a small trike is optimal for the single-person mover. Get everyone to live in cities with mass transit and the need for the Solo goes away but that’s not going to happen. People are living in rural areas and the suburbs and they need the Solo. People are dispersed so that carpools don’t work for everyone. EVs are much more efficient than ICEd vehicles. There is a market for Solo. The fact that hundreds have made a deposit proves that. The fact that Jerry and friends have invested heavily proves that.

    Grece also wrote, “Name one electric, battery-powered, three-wheel concept car, in production today.”

    Solo.

  6. Grece says:

    The chassis of the Solo is insanely cost effective.

    You meant to say insane to use in a vehicle. Corrugated aluminum panels have no crash strength, if someone wrecks into you, you’re most certainly dead.

    InterMeccanica is holding the patents

    Oh really, and which patents are those? Just because you file patent applications does automagically result in issued patents…capice?!

    That flat sheet composite chassis is bolt, Fold and glue assembly. Its lot cheaper process than the bend and weld chassis

    You’re an idiot, they are still welding the chassis during construction.

    If you look at what is mass produced in china with mark-up the Solo price tag should be about 5000 yet is 15000.

    Well, I have to say. You are admitting that the electric big-wheel is 3x over-priced. However, even at 5000, I serious doubt a unit would sell. There is no market for such a vehicle, if there was, three wheel vehicles would be on the road today.

    InterMeccanica has been pricing small scale mass production correct for basically forever its how they have stayed in business.

    Why in the hell, would InterMeccanica be still pricing small scale mass production, when they have been in business for five decades? You haven’t a damn clue on how to run a business, let alone compose a cohesive sentence. At best, InterMeccanica would have worked the numbers long ago.

    I would myself be saying wait year until the Solo has moved out of human powered mass production to robot powered mass production.

    What? Now your autistic dyslexia is kicking in, as that sentence has no relation to rest of what you wrote. It’s like your brain farts out words, and you bang away on the keyboard.

    Grece you can work out margin if you value the parts something is made from. The margin in the Solo price tag is quite a bit.

    More brain farting nonsense. No one can workout the margin for the Solo, except Jerry. To say otherwise is just pure speculation.

    Remember Solo is InterMeccanica concept car. So any sales is still more profit than what InterMeccanica was expecting from the solo.

    ??????

    Concept cars are started as the white elephants of the car world. A few odd Concept cars end up going from Concept to mass production.

    Name one electric, battery-powered, three-wheel concept car, in production today.

  7. oiaohm says:

    kurkosdr and Grece are both overlooking. The chassis of the Solo is insanely cost effective. That flat sheet composite material used in the core chassis is manufactured in huge volumes for aircraft and other usages.

    Solo was built to test if a car could be built from that composite sheet effectively. InterMeccanica is holding the patents on this style of construction. Of course the two seat is demo that the process can be scaled up.

    The SEC even questioned some of the things that was stated in the Electra Meccanica prospectus and original filings made.
    Some of that is that the SEC was compare the Solo construction cost to the construction cost of a normal chassis vehicle. That flat sheet composite chassis is bolt, Fold and glue assembly. Its lot cheaper process than the bend and weld chassis remember Grese comment it looked like something shop class could build. That is because the design has simplified down the process a lot.

    Also the 15000 dollar price tag. Grece should have noticed that is about 2-3 times the price of the same kind of thing already made in china with a more complex and expensive to make chassis. So the price tag on the solo is designed for manual construction and custom parts orders.

    The price you were promised for the Solo EV mandates mass produced parts, and Electra Mechanicca doesn’t have money to do that.
    Kurkosdr this is absolute bull. Parts price can be 3 times more than a china mass produced EV and the Solo price tag still has profit space in it.

    If you look at what is mass produced in china with mark-up the Solo price tag should be about 5000 yet is 15000. You can look up electric cars in china with the same size battery and motors.

    InterMeccanica has been pricing small scale mass production correct for basically forever its how they have stayed in business.

    I would myself be saying wait year until the Solo has moved out of human powered mass production to robot powered mass production.

    Grece you can work out margin if you value the parts something is made from. The margin in the Solo price tag is quite a bit.

    Remember Solo is InterMeccanica concept car. So any sales is still more profit than what InterMeccanica was expecting from the solo. Concept cars are started as the white elephants of the car world. A few odd Concept cars end up going from Concept to mass production.

  8. Grece says:

    We’ve waited and will continue to wait.

    The first rule of overcoming a delusion, is admitting it to yourself. Thank you, for stating a fact, that I can foresee with certainty. You will continue to wait weeks, months, another year??

    The Chinese can easily be up and running in a year.

    You mention China again. China ready has 100’s of electric cars available now. https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/electric-car.html

    Everything else is an off-the-shelf part.

    What about the vehicle software? I am going to laugh if this electric big-wheel uses Microsoft, or a non-free operating system. If it turns out to be so, then every minute you drive one, will be a minute you are a hypocrite. Which we already know you are from other discussion, namely a very specific laptop utilizing an Intel processor.

    they have a good margin at $20K CDN.

    And how would you know what their margin is? The SEC even questioned some of the things that was stated in the Electra Meccanica prospectus and original filings made. Have you seen their books? Of course you haven’t, know one knows Electra Meccanica’s margin but Jerry.

  9. Kurkosdr wrote, “a couple dozen sales are totally enough to mass produce parts”.

    Get off it! EMV doesn’t need a huge inventory or shiploads headed to Vancouver to satisfy those with reservations for the next two quarters. We’ve waited and will continue to wait. The Chinese can easily be up and running in a year. They are the source of many of the parts… They can easily produce the parts designed by EMV. There are few of those: frame, body, logos… Everything else is an off-the-shelf part. No in-house 100KW motor. No stainless steel drive-train. Those are already being mass-produced for electric whatnots and motorcycles. EMV doesn’t need to build a factory and buy a boatload of parts for any of the made-in-Canada production. They can buy as they go and still break even because they have a good margin at $20K CDN. They are buying wholesale with retail prices paid for the cars. Up to now they’ve cut out a lot of middle-men. They don’t need those until the Canadian production is in full swing.

  10. Kurkosdr says:

    EMV will profit enough on each sale to pay for the next parts.

    Yeah, a couple dozen sales are totally enough to mass produce parts. ElectraMeccanica will pay obligations with that money and that’s it.

    Anyway, keep waiting.

  11. Kurkosdr wrote, “The price you were promised for the Solo EV mandates mass produced parts”.

    No. The price with all mass produced parts would be much less. EMV will profit enough on each sale to pay for the next parts. The Chinese already have the mass production facilities. They can easily afford any costs of mass producing custom parts. The Chinese have been doing this for decades.

  12. Kurkosdr says:

    Not true! Mass production for the next couple of quarters is just a few per week.

    Again, Pog: parts. Without mass production, whatever few supplies of special-order parts they have will go away after the first couple dozen examples are made. And they are not exactly rich to be able to afford shipping all the orders all of them wearing special-order parts.

    Let me say it one more time: The price you were promised for the Solo EV mandates mass produced parts, and Electra Mechanicca doesn’t have money to do that.

  13. DrLoser says:

    Not true! Mass production for the next couple of quarters is just a few per week. That’s easy in this facility.

    Perhaps you should look up the definition of “mass production,” Robert. One or other of your Merriam Websters should do.

    Just to clarify this small point: “mass production” is not normally, in the particular domain of industrial manufacture, defined as “the production of really heavy things.”

    I think you know what we’re talking about, here.

  14. DrLoser says:

    Niche products promised by companies without track record and little funding beyond preorders are a scam.

    That’s most unfair, Kurks. Electromechanicca have a long history of producing niche products with little funding.

    Far be it from either one of us to be so presumptuous as to assume that their target market is retired miserly loonies in the more agrarian and less advanced parts of, say, Canada, who have a proven history of buying nasty little broken roto-tillers from Sears Roebuck and/or weird little Chinese Assemble-U-Like equivalents (only CA$1,500 shipping and tax!).

    I, for one, am confident that Robert’s aspirations will be adequately met.

    (Bwahahahaha.)

  15. Kurkosdr wrote, ” Any custom body shop can assemble a bunch of prototypes made out of special-order parts*. But, you see Pog, in order for all the orders to be fulfilled and for the vehicles to be sold at around the promised price, out Custom Body Shop guys have to achieve mass production.”

    Not true! Mass production for the next couple of quarters is just a few per week. That’s easy in this facility.

    They will expand in a new facility to a few per day and then have mass production go in China a year from now. The Chinese can do hundreds per day. It will take time and money to make that happen but the Chinese have both.

  16. kurkosdr says:

    a nice electric = a niche electric

    (whether it is nice of not is irrelevant, read my previous comments)

  17. kurkosdr says:

    OTOH, InterMeccanica has been surviving for decades.
    Went to their site to see what this InterMeccaninca company is about. Yup, just as I thought… custom body shop and replica maker operating in a Joe’s Garage. Not a bad industry to be in, but not a guarantee they can finance the mass production of an electric car either. Especially a nice electric car with a relatively small number of pre-orders.

    EMV is just a small perturbation on their operations. Same for the Chinese partner. The design is complete. People are loving the prototypes.
    Again, let me tell you one thing one more time: Any custom body shop can assemble a bunch of prototypes made out of special-order parts*. But, you see Pog, in order for all the orders to be fulfilled and for the vehicles to be sold at around the promised price, out Custom Body Shop guys have to achieve mass production. But since achieving mass productions requires a huge upfront investment (for all those stampers for the parts), what they are going to do is produce some very few examples, a couple dozen or so, let the very early birds (who are probably their friends) have cars whose actual cost is 10x of the promised price, and everybody else gets a participation badge for helping finance the cars of those very few early birds.

    *I assume you are smart enough to realize that stuff like headlights and front grilles, windshields, rear glass, windows etc are specific to the Solo EV.

  18. Grece says:

    Correction: “I have have up my mind……and its all good.” Should read as “I have made up my mind……and its all good.”

  19. Grece says:

    I have have up my mind……and its all good.

    People don’t work for $0.

    Interesting….interesting that you, you of all people, would say such a thing. Pleases explain the palpability, that free software is unhindered by the constraint of financial profitability, in light of what you just stated.

    CHUCKLE.

  20. Greece wrote, “I give Electra Meccanica a one to two years of life, before they fold into oblivion.”

    Make up your mind. If they are out of money, they will fold in a month or two. People don’t work for $0. OTOH, InterMeccanica has been surviving for decades. EMV is just a small perturbation on their operations. Same for the Chinese partner. The design is complete. People are loving the prototypes. Barring an air-bag disaster or brake failure… Oh, wait. No air-bags. Tried and true brakes. Slow ramp-up. It’s all good.

  21. oiaohm says:

    LOL, I showed these morons, both Robert and Ohioham, documents from the SEC showing how much cash EM had on hand last year.
    Grece you did not look at Intermeccanica or who holds the title dead to the prototype zone and factory. Title deads to property used by Electra Meccanica are held by Intermeccanica and then Electra Meccanica get rent free usage.

    So Electra Meccanica does not have leases to pay. Electra Meccanica SEC lists the budget they had for research and development. Electra Meccanica is not employing production staff. Intermeccanica owns the factory so of course they provide the staff.

    Electra Meccanica is fairly much a shell company to provide limited liability.

    Grece you looked a SEC and never bothered checking the basics of who owned what. I am not calling Electra Meccanica a sub company for no reason. On paper the two companies look independent until you check who owns what. So I expect Solo to be delivered and Intermeccanica get most of the profits. Same to happen with the next car.

  22. Grece says:

    whatever money they managed to get from preorders is simply not enough.

    LOL, I showed these morons, both Robert and Ohioham, documents from the SEC showing how much cash EM had on hand last year. Now that they are broke, and running a $1000 preorder scam so as to build revenue, it’s makes you wonder how far a delusional person will go to defend their story due to suffering from cognitive dissonance.

    Robert is a perfect example of someone that suffers from this mental condition, and its continual, never-ending. Just wait though, there will be a next latest thing Robert will latch onto and the process will repeat itself over once more.

    Electra Meccanica, will not deliver next month or the next or the next. There will always be an excuse as to why nothing is being shipped, then lo-n-behold people will discover that the deposit was/is not refundable. I give Electra Meccanica a one to two years of life, before they fold into oblivion.

  23. oiaohm says:

    http://intermeccanica.com/athird.net/our-vehicles/your-custom-build

    Kurkosdr it the parent company. The seats are a standard seat intermeccanica uses. So only thing different is the monogramming.

    whatever money they managed to get from preorders is simply not enough.
    The internal to the doors are what intermeccanca uses for other cars they make.

    Currently 400+ preorders. That is small enough to be done by human labour.

    The number of parts that are custom have been kept quite low.

    Kurkosdr catch with the solo is that is not a company with no track record. Its a sub company of Intermeccanca to be their electric car arm. So this means they can use sections of Intermeccanca staff and production lines. The molds for the out parts were made in the prototyping stage.

    that no arrangements have been made for mass production of the seats and doors.
    This is wrong. Those items in video if you look closer have the Intermeccanca branding on them.

    The thing that is always forgotten is how often car makers make everything for producing a car then never take the car into production. So all the stampers for the Solo are already made. Its just replicating more.

  24. Kurkosdr says:

    Leon = Elon (autocorrect)

  25. Kurkosdr says:

    For those of you who still don’t get it, let me continue from previous post and explain this in plain English: Parts don’t get delivered into the assembly line by fairies. For every part in your product that is unique (non-standard), you have to have a stamper making it in volume (I assume you are smart enough to understand that no 3D printer can produce even half the complex curved parts needed in acceptable quality, let alone stuff such as seats and windows). Whether you acquire all those stampers yourself or pay someone else to make those stampers, the result is that a crapload of money is needed, and whatever money they managed to get from preorders is simply not enough. It’s plenty enough to special-order some hand-made parts for a dozen prototypes and a dozen “production” vehicles, but then the money ends. Again, ask Leon Musk how much it costs to mass-produce a car and its parts. The man invested tens of millions in the company and the company just managed to mass produce the Tesla Roadster without folding.

    Which brings me back to what I always say: Niche products promised by companies without track record and little funding beyond preorders are a scam. No company is going to invest in a mass production line just to make a limited run of the niche product you preordered and then fold. Maybe a big company can do a niche product as a halo product.

    There are success stories like the Ouya, where interest was proven to be many times than expected and the custom parts needed were few, so someone said that “maybe it makes sense to invest in a stamper for those parts and actually deliver all preorders and then sell some more”, but anyone buying something as complex as a car, as niche and limited-run as the Solo EV, from a company with no track record, he needs a reality check.

  26. Kurkosdr says:

    Yup, that’s a glorified garage, just as I predicted here:

    mrpogson(dot)com/2017/04/14/yes-electra-meccanica-has-a-factory/#comment-373925

    In fact, I doubt the “glorified” part is justified, I should have said just “a medium-size garage”.

    Some remarks on the video:

    1) There is very little automation and standardisation of the process, just a very crude break up into stages, which means that quality control is basically praying the garage employee tasked with each stage is a good craftsman. Which means that no two examples will be exactly the same and every example will have its own quirks and faults.

    2) If you notice at 1:57, they use a putty-like substance to make the bodywork. Just like custom body shop garages do. Of course, doing putty-sculpting on car bodies is a time-consuming process typically used in one-off car bodies. This stage will definitely not hold up the “assembly line” (if that’s the correct term), no sir it won’t.

    3) Notice how they have a good supply of tires, but only one seat (not fitted to a vehicle) and a couple of doors? Wouldn’t be surprised if the seat and the doors are special orders (a dozen pieces or so), each costing substantially more than a mass-produced seat and a mass-produced door costs, and that no arrangements have been made for mass production of the seats and doors. On the other hand, tires are something standard not specific to the Solo, which means they are mass produced and there are plenty of them around at the factory, as you can clearly see in the video.

    My guess is they will ship a dozen Solo EVs or so, so they can boast about it. The money from preorders has probably already run out and so will the supply of some essential parts after the first dozen examples are made (see above), which means that all the others who preordered essentially financed the Solos of those very few early birds. If that wasn’t the case, we would have seen a factory brimming in seats and doors and generally have an large supply (hundreds or in the high two digits at least) of every part. We didn’t.

    Pog, you are a certain something. In a world of cheap x86 boards that can run Linux, you got fixated on the Cello, a crappy ARM board from a no-name company. And in a world where we have this:
    ebay(dot)com/sch/i.html?_nkw=electric+car
    you chose to preorder an EV from a company that hasn’t even produced a single EV ever, let alone producing EVs that are reliable (something even companies like Tesla struggled even in their second Model S vehicle), and doesn’t even have a proper factory and claims to mass produce vehicles on what most certainly used to be Joe’s Custom Body Shop.

    Keep up the quality purchases, Pog. Everybody knows that the key to getting affordable quality products is preordering niche stuff from companies with no track record.

  27. oiaohm wrote, “Biggest worry is how fast can they make the battery packs and the 3d printed parts they need.”

    Well, that can be scaled up pretty quickly. It’s a pretty standard robotics exercise, you know, align things and dip the iron for x seconds and displace so far, repeat. I imagine one human could run several such stations for quality control. For one station, I doubt the automation is for speed, just precision. I know a thing or two about soldering. It doesn’t look like they are mechanically joining things before soldering. That could result in long term problems, but then we don’t see the complete process. Perhaps those cells have “pigtails” that have been properly handled. At the rate they are going they could easily produce a few units per day and keep ahead of the assembly line.

  28. oiaohm says:

    Grece did you miss at the 28 second mark the 1 for the 4 toolbox and tables along the wall. Each stage areas has it own toolbox and you can see tools sticking out of that toolbox at stage 3 because it open and you can see some tools on the lower shelf.

    Stage 4 hoist read Canada road regulations for road worthy being car class vehicle has to be put up on a host or over a pit and inspected. Stage 4 is inspection. 3 stages of assemble being feed in by other assembly lines.

    All the floor marking are to standard. 2:15 mark in the video notice the black lines on floor for where all the supply carriages have to be place. This is exactly to one of the international standards. The FCID numbers that is old Italian production method.

    Biggest worry is how fast can they make the battery packs and the 3d printed parts they need.

    Funny part that is the prop-typing place cleaned up. They had the floor space just was not using it effectively in prop-typing.

    Grece do you now agree with me that they had the floor space all along. Also do note something else about the part stacks. The doors and seat have come in from another factories and I would suspect other parts as well. Some of those boxes have the parent company branding. So that factory space is not needing to make everything.

    Now if this car was from a truly independent company they would have required more floor space and not be able to reuse their existing factories to supply parts.

    Also note there were 2 completed units on display. The 1 up on the hoist and the one sitting at stage 3.

  29. Greece ranted.

    It’s an open house. There’s no need for tools. Look, they have everything they need for limited production. They’ve produced a dozen prototypes in the last year. I’m sure they can make at least one a day because of the low parts count. They could go higher with more shifts or multiple balanced lines or more automation but that’s not the plan. They are going to make ~100 units this way before moving to larger facilities. It’s all good. They have to live within their means but they have the right product at the right time.

  30. Grece says:

    The factory may be small but it’s adequate to produce a few units every week.

    The cannot even produce one a year, let alone one a month, but a few a week? LMAO!

    I have to say, that is the cleanest assembly line / manufacturer that I have ever seen in my life. But lets be real shall we? That’s no assembly line, lack of tools is appalling and a few parts here and there, whooopie! What they hell do they even need a lift for? All they need is a small table lift or a scissor lift at best. I bet the toolboxes are empty!

    Electra Meccanica has one more week to ship a single unit, if they ever do, before May 1st. I still say say its a scam that will never come to fruition.

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