Electra Meccanica To Go Head To Head With Tesla

“The Tofino is equipped with a high-performance, all-electric motor with a top speed of 200 kph (125 mph) and a 0-100 kph (0-60 mph) in under 7 Seconds. The chassis and body are made of a lightweight aerospace-grade composite and the car is capable of up to 400 km (250 Miles) of range on a full charge. The roadster will be available in five stunning colors including Titanium Silver, Electric Red, Raven Black, Arctic White, and Bionic Bronze with a suggested retail price starting at $50,000*. Estimated deliveries will begin by 2019 and interested individuals can make a $1,000* reservation for the Tofino at the show or by logging on to http://electrameccanica.com.”
 
See Electra Meccanica Reveals Two New Vehicles at 2017 Vancouver Auto Show
That’s not in the press-release. Tesla has a good headstart, but Tesla does need some competition in the realm of sports cars. This could be it.

I’m not interested that much in those vehicles. Solo is more my style, a tiny efficient machine for going about my business and only occasionally going far on the highway. I find it interesting that Tesla started at the high end and moved to the low end while Electra Meccanica did the reverse.

Whatever works for them works for me as long as we kick the habit of burning oil.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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28 Responses to Electra Meccanica To Go Head To Head With Tesla

  1. oiaohm says:

    PS: Sorry kid. No problems with Chrome and the GPU on Windows. Both GPUs on my system. Things work in Windows land.
    Drop this now. Right now the Chrome bugzilla is open to the public you can do a search based on OS and see a stack of user that it does not work for on Windows. There are issues with the Intel driver under Windows with chrome documented in the Bugzilla. So this is normal works of me bull crap. Something Anti-Linux people do all the time. When a Linux people does works of me its rip the hell out of them.

    You are most likely not noticing because Nvidia side will be doing most of the heavy lifting.

    Please remember Nvidia binary driver on Linux does not work with kernel panic let alone worry about working with a open source driver to switch modes. Please remember open source developer made this work without Nvidia assistance that you could switch between Nvidia and Intel. That is purely Nvidia fault. Lack of internal documentation on power management and the like means the open source version is not power effective. So who fault is the problem you are not yell at Nvidia right you are blame X11 …. Basically everyone bar the guilty party right. Then you were pushing to make it easier for Nvidia to make closed source drivers that means even less oversight on what they are doing.

    Never mind that Windows and Android, the two most commercially successful operating systems right now on the planet, go down the dependency-less app bundle way.
    Both operating systems are paying a price in number of security issues.

    Just give the developers a Store, and (here comes the important thing) give them access to it. Maybe have some basic checking done after the submission, but allow devs to package their own stuff.
    We already have this its called steam by valve. There were 4 other competitors like Desura all about providing programs in a Distribution neutral way.

    Kurkosdr the reality now is how many times do we have to put up a store for developers that take distribution neutral applications before they will in fact start using it.

    Kurkosdr the reality you have done absolutely no homework on what has already been offered to developers and turned down. Forget the idea of the store developers don’t seam to want that. Flatpak is becoming popular because application makers can host the file on their own servers.

    Both Windows and Android you can side load. One of the problems with the store solutions on Linux was no simple side loading. You are incorrectly presuming the Linux world has not been attempting. If you watched the most recent Linux Sux video. You would have heard how the common speaker of that has made is own applicaiton and found he sold more copies to Linux users that download the binary from his website for Ubuntu users than the copy in the Ubuntu store or other store solutions. Mind you he was one of the rare ones who bundled his application up to be distribution neutral.

  2. Kurkosdr says:

    There is a good video explaining all this.
    https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/dinosaurs/attachments/slides/1535/export/events/attachments/dinosaurs/slides/1535/FOSDEM_2017___Resurrecting_dinosaurs,_what_can_possibly_go_wrong.pdf

    Well, I kinda expected it there will be neckbeards who think Snappy and AppImage are a bad idea. Unsurprisingly, they are from Suse The Neckbeardland(tm). Never mind that Windows and Android, the two most commercially successful operating systems right now on the planet, go down the dependency-less app bundle way. The market is stooopid. The beard wants what the beard wants, and if that means the beard wants to manage the dependency hell just to save some dozen megabytes of space by sharing a library between two apps (if they happen to want the same library and same version) then so be it.

    Windows apps had to share DLLs back then because every MB mattered. Even risking incompatibilities among different versions of a library was deemed as an acceptable risk to save space. When it stopped mattering, Windows got WinSxS in Windows 2000. Of course, Microsoft never fails to deliver too much of a good thing to users, so in Vista and onwards they gave us WinSxS for the entire OS, but whatever, still works fine.

    The updating excuse is moot. Just give the developers a Store, and (here comes the important thing) give them access to it. Maybe have some basic checking done after the submission, but allow devs to package their own stuff. That way, devs can package stuff for the LTSes of 3 of the most important distros for -say- the 4 most recent version and they can let the neckbeards play dependency hell in their ultra-niche rolling release distros they like so much. That way, they would get what they want, and users of Ubuntu LTS will not have to rely on the repo middlemen or play dependency hell.

    PS: Sorry kid. No problems with Chrome and the GPU on Windows. Both GPUs on my system. Things work in Windows land.

  3. oiaohm says:

    I thought some more with LHB I guess is this is referring to LHB discredited that Linux should have a stable kernel ABI. kurkosdr

    Why not to have stable kernel ABI is look no further than current Nvidia Closed source. Let take the event the Linux kernel throws a kernel panic. You are using the modern open source KMS drivers even if X11 is running the kernel panic is displayed. You are using Nvidia closed source on Linux kernel panic not displayed. What is the problem. Nvidia does not hook into Linux graphic stack properly. The opengl es streams stuff for wayland from Nvidia also block kernel panics from being displayed.

    Its not that nvidia hardware cannot do it the open source nvidia driver does this just fine on hardware where it works.

    Now samsung graphic drivers in Android. Linux kernel remove the /dev/mem driver security grounds what does samsung do. They implement their own exact copy of it instead of using the newer kernel interfaces. Next question did this evil behaviour use to happen on Windows the answer is yes. Microsoft end up having to demand driver certification where driver makers would allow their driver source code to be inspected by Microsoft in case of question over driver quality.

    So the stability of Windows drivers in fact depend on driver source code being open to someone to audit or the driver will not be signed. This is why Microsoft windows is shipping more and more drivers as part of Windows as well. If Microsoft will massive resources could not make a stable driver ABI be obeyed and used without forcing driver makers to hand over source code. Exactly what point is there to having a stable driver ABI without some enforcement framework unless you want issues? So more binary drivers on Linux would in fact make Linux worse not better because those writing binary drivers are asses who will only make their drivers work as much as they have to even if it breaking core functionality like kernel panic support. Yes if X11 freezes and the kernel panic showing the Nvidia driver failed people blame X11 instead of Nvidia. So it in a driver vendors interest at time to block error reporting.

  4. oiaohm says:

    Ahh… the illusion Desktop Linux is good at running FOSS apps (it is not). The best platform to run FOSS apps is Windows, then OS X.
    kurkosdr Please stop saying this lie. Number 1 there is a big problem. Take Kicad OSS hardware design application its designed at times to be using multi process not multi thread. Any application designed around multi process design perform poorly on Windows.

    Lot of open source application that will work under Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows run faster than using the win32 or win64 forms. So part of the performance problem is how the Windows ABI is designed. Yes it faster to run a mingw gcc complier on wsl than what it is to run a native windows mingw gcc complier on Windows. The fastest place to run a mingw complier is Linux with OS X second in WSL in Windows third and Native windows forth tail of hunt.

    There is benchmark after benchmark with open source applications where this pattern keeps on happening. Claiming Windows is the best platform to run OSS software is false so many times it not funny.

    For example, the Windows version of LibreOffice has a nifty update button in the settings, the Desktop Linux version doesn’t (so you have to rely on the repos).
    So I have to go to each program individually to find out if they need updates under Windows and you are attempting to sell this to me as a feature???? The reality is that feature on Windows is a hack. You really do want a unified interface for update systems.

    The Windows version of Firefox shipped with hardware acceleration enabled when at the same time the Desktop Linux version shipped with hardware acceleration disabled (I wonder why…).
    https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/07/disable-firefoxs-hardware-acceleration-to-fix-slowness/
    The reality was hardware acceleration was broken under Windows and Linux the Linux world did more in-depth QA and found it. Windows users end up shipped Firefox with feature enabled that made it perform badly for them. So when you look on why on that one there is a horrible story. Linux world found graphics drivers were not always correct turns out this is also true on Windows.

    Most Windows versions of FOSS apps get better battery life than their Desktop Linux version because Windows has better power management and switchable graphics.
    You did not benchmark the applications either to notice the lower battery usage also aligns with lower overall performance as well.

    And finally, the Windows verson of Chrome doesn’t flash white squares on me, but the Desktop Linux version I use at work does because of the poor Linux Intel GPU drivers (ahh…. X.org, never failing to disappoint).
    Chrome has other issues on Windows with Intel drivers. So this is you not being researched its like the firefox hardware acceleration problem. Yes chrome on Linux shows one lot of issues but chrome on windows has it own set all tracing to graphic drivers been crap.

    So, even if you are a user only needing FOSS software, your best bet to run it on it Windows. You will have less glitches with X.org and PulseAudio, updates will be easier because there are no repo middlemen, and battery life will be better.
    This is not true. In FOSS software the is more glitches running on Windows than Linux maybe you just are not using the broken feature on Windows to have notice them.

    LHB had a pretty good write up on this, which basically can be summarized that Desktop Linux should focus on creating a proper native API with a rock-solid implementation before focusing on making a matchsticks-and-glue implementation of the win32 API.
    This is not true for windows. Notice how applications for windows are a lot bigger than the deb packages installed into Ubuntu. The reason most applications run on multi versions of windows is not because Windows native ABI is a rock-solid implementation because reality its not. The difference is windows installers are bigger because most of the time they ship with the runtime the application uses.

    So the correct solution to this problem is flakpak or snappy. Attempting to make a stable ABI as LHB suggested wasted so much time on something that could never work its not funny. Library has to be undated for a security reason. Application now breaks how come this does not happen on windows. The application installed in it own directory with the .exe its own version or requested a SXS exact version. So being able to run old versions of applications on new windows or new applications on old windows come with a price of old security flaws all over the place.

    Security updates nukes any attempt at 100 percent stable ABI. All attempts to make a stable ABI including bundling results in security flaws. This is a true no win situation. The Linux work has spent over 20 years attempting to work out some solution without accepting the fact it no win. Flatpak and Snappy are both acceptance that its no win and are include sandboxes to attempt to mitigate the risk.

    There is a good video explaining all this.
    https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/dinosaurs/attachments/slides/1535/export/events/attachments/dinosaurs/slides/1535/FOSDEM_2017___Resurrecting_dinosaurs,_what_can_possibly_go_wrong.pdf
    Yes Resurrecting Dinosaurs. This explains why Linux Distributions do the VLC thing of old version.

  5. kurkosdr wrote, “The best platform to run FOSS apps is Windows, then OS X.”

    Well, who did put that awful stuff into GNU/Linux? M$. BTW, LO does have an update button under “Help/Check for updates”. OTOH, GNU/Linux is working well for us.

  6. kurkosdr says:

    You also think that the world doesn’t need games, MSO, and Photoshop, but…

    Ahh… the illusion Desktop Linux is good at running FOSS apps (it is not). The best platform to run FOSS apps is Windows, then OS X.

    For example, the Windows version of LibreOffice has a nifty update button in the settings, the Desktop Linux version doesn’t (so you have to rely on the repos).

    The VLC version of Windows didn’t have PulseAudio headaches when PulseAudio was dropped on the heads of unsuspecting users, the Desktop Linux version had.

    The VLC version of Windows is a single exe that works on many Windows versions from Vista to Windows 10, the newest VLC for Desktop Linux isn’t available in the app store of 14.04 (how dare you use a two-year old distro?).

    The Windows version of Firefox shipped with hardware acceleration enabled when at the same time the Desktop Linux version shipped with hardware acceleration disabled (I wonder why…).

    Most Windows versions of FOSS apps get better battery life than their Desktop Linux version because Windows has better power management and switchable graphics.

    And finally, the Windows verson of Chrome doesn’t flash white squares on me, but the Desktop Linux version I use at work does because of the poor Linux Intel GPU drivers (ahh…. X.org, never failing to disappoint). The glitch happens does it every couple of seconds when loading Slack, Terraform and other sites, which,-as you can probably guess- is enough to make me develop a healthy disrespect for Desktop Linux. Atom editor does it too, occasionally. Seriously, what is this, Windows 98 running on an SiS GPU?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRoC3M4vDY

    So, even if you are a user only needing FOSS software, your best bet to run it on it Windows. You will have less glitches with X.org and PulseAudio, updates will be easier because there are no repo middlemen, and battery life will be better.

    LHB had a pretty good write up on this, which basically can be summarized that Desktop Linux should focus on creating a proper native API with a rock-solid implementation before focusing on making a matchsticks-and-glue implementation of the win32 API.

  7. Kurkosdr says:

    I think there will be lots of money when they start shipping.

    If you take out the cost of paying suppliers, salaries, paying off the debt they have so far and iterating through the Solo to keep it current, it won’t. The margins are not there.

    Instead, Elon was smart enough to have the Leonardo DiClooneys front the cash by buying his high-margin electric sportscar. Also, shipping a four-wheeled sportscar makes it easier to convince investors you can then ship an electric four-wheel sedan. Shipping a trike and then wanting to branch off to sedans is a more difficult sell to investors.

  8. Deaf Spy says:

    I think there will be lots of money when they start shipping.

    You also think that the world doesn’t need games, MSO, and Photoshop, but…

  9. kurkosdr wrote, “there will be no money.”

    I think there will be lots of money when they start shipping.

  10. kurkosdr says:

    I find it interesting that Tesla started at the high end and moved to the low end while Electra Meccanica did the reverse.

    Because Elon was smart enough to make a market research and found out that an luxury electric sports car can be sold at a high enough margin and there is a high enough demand for it to make enough money for Tesla to finance the development of an electric sedan in a later phase, but there not enough demand for a niche one-seater tri-cycle sold at a fraction of the price (and margin) to make enough money to finance the development of an electric sedan.

    IMO, even if Electra Mechanicca ships the Solo EV, which despite what Pog says is still and if, after the launch they will be trapped into pouring all their relatively little margin into iterating on it to stay current and into paying off debt and their big plans will be shelved indefinitely because there will be no money.

  11. ram says:

    It is easier to do high performance electric super-cars than to do economy models. This is because you can buy the electric motors and control systems pretty much “off the shelf” as they are already used for electric trams, trains, and marine propulsion units.

    Most of the actual design work for a car like the Tesla is just the body (styling) and the interior (more styling), the rest is relatively trivial or at least straightforward.

  12. oiaohm wrote, “existing outer skin design and updating the chassis”.

    While the Tofino follows the general shape of the roadster it’s not copy and paste. The Tofino is more aerodynamic, for instance. The roadster has a bumper. The concept is the same: two seats low to the ground and open to the air. It’s kind of silly, but , for two people in love, it might make perfect sense, like Bogart movies.

  13. oiaohm says:

    DrLoser mobility scooter are not rated for highway speeds.

    https://electrek.co/2017/03/28/electra-meccanica-tofino-all-electric-roadster/

    Yes a lot of what was prototyped in the Solo is now being done for the Tofino. The Tofino is another huge short cut taking existing outer skin design and updating the chassis.

    http://intermeccanica.com/athird.net/our-vehicles/roadster
    Interesting point is the tofino sale price is set lower than the petrol version.

    Something to remember since Electra Meccanica is a branch of Intermeccanica expect any car they get approved to build to stay in production for 30 years. They really don’t believe in reinventing wheel that often. What makes it very interesting when they decide to. It maybe possible for the tofino to come off the same production line as a petrol versions.

  14. DrLoser says:

    And just to recapitulate what Dougie posted, below:

    Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation has not even made sourced a quarter billion, $250 million dollars in funding, let alone shipped one production vehicle to the public. So doesn’t look like this ship will launch will it?

    Small piece of advice, Robert. Do not put a deposit down on this thing. You are actually better off with a mobility scooter.

  15. DrLoser says:

    I find it interesting that Tesla started at the high end and moved to the low end while Electra Meccanica did the reverse.

    You really don’t have a clue about consumer products, do you, Robert?

    You can’t really “did” the “reverse” until you actually have a market. And as far as I can see, Tesla’s market (which is speculative, but well-captialised) does not comprehend the low-margin set of miserly geezers who will pay over the odds for a plastic shield over a Mobility Scooter that happens to be an electric tricycle.

    Incidentally, I’d check whether stability wheels come as part of the package. You are senile enough to need them.

  16. oiaohm wrote, “Reinventing wheel on parts is a very quick way to increase production cost of car.”

    Chuckle. That and building huge factories. EM is keeping stuff simple by shopping for mostly off the shelf parts. That does raise the unit cost a bit in the long run but it really speeds getting to market on budget.

  17. oiaohm says:

    Well child, with your statement, you just reaffirmed what I was stating. Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation has not even made sourced a quarter billion, $250 million dollars in funding, let alone shipped one production vehicle to the public. So doesn’t look like this ship will launch will it?

    Grece no you just confirmed your clueless. Intermeccanica where the head of Electra Meccanica has been known for doing cars for about 2-10 million dollars of investment(hole) per car and producing enough units to make a profit.

    The one thing being cost effective cannot defeat is the 4 year cycle where most of that is red tape having car pass regulations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru89x1jmpq4
    “Revenge of the Electric Car” it on youtube.

    Grece Tesla is not a good example. Tesla need more money to prove that batteries they want to use were in fact safe to use in car. Intermeccanica has always been opportunistic. So the fact for the solo they did need to certify the batteries as crash safe as they could take off the shelf crash safe batteries. The motor they are using is already approved in something else. So other than the chassis itself most of the stuff about the solo is already approved parts.

    To built a car for under 5 million dollar of investment you have to cut a mountain of corners.

    Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation will fairly much show us how cheap a electric car using stock parts with custom chassis can be done. In a lot of ways electrics are a lot simpler to-do this. No complex drive train requirements so no custom drive shafts required and the mountings to hold it.

    So making a electric car should be cheaper than making petrol one.

    If you ever attempt to repair Tesla you will find out there is not a single part in it that is not custom for a Tesla one way or another. That means that Tesla electric car cost more than 1 billion dollars to make. Tesla is closer to a Ferrari. Yes a Ferrari costs a few billion to get to production. 1 billion is your general run around petrol car. What price should be a general run about electric to design we don’t know. It might be less than 10 million if the process is done cost effective.

    Tesla had a lot of costs getting into production with all the custom parts.

    Basically there is high end car designing that is insanely expensive. Then there is the general end car designing and then you have the cheap end. Solo design process is the cheep end.

    Reinventing wheel on parts is a very quick way to increase production cost of car.

  18. Grece wrote, “Kroll sought funding from the Canadian government and they said no”.

    That’s why heavy production will be in China. They said “yes”.

  19. oiaohm wrote, “with Solo they have so far been quite cost effective.”

    Yes, and they are smart enough to use existing plants rather than reinventing the wheel for mass production.

  20. Grece says:

    Grece there is a little fact you miss. It costs about 1 billion dollars over 4 years to design and get standard car into production.

    Well child, with your statement, you just reaffirmed what I was stating. Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation has not even made sourced a quarter billion, $250 million dollars in funding, let alone shipped one production vehicle to the public. So doesn’t look like this ship will launch will it?

    But the obverse of what you stated, little one, is that you are completely fabricating material.

    For example, Tesla secured founding rounds A to F totaling some $319 million dollars. In addition, Tesla landed deals totaling $4.9 Billion in federal and state government subsidies.

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000119312510017054/ds1.htm

    I highly advise you to watch Revenge of the Electric Car on Netflix, some great insight into what it takes to start an automobile company.

  21. oiaohm says:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/27/why-does-it-cost-so-much-for-automakers-to-develop-new-models/

    Grece there is a little fact you miss. It costs about 1 billion dollars over 4 years to design and get standard car into production.

    Also you don’t start mass production at a click of fingers. So even if a deal was done to mass produce Jan this year. The first cars to normally roll off the mass production will be Jan next year. So there is 12 months lag for volume production.

    In fact to be only 5 million dollars in the hole for a new design of car is quite impressive. Even 100 million in hole before production would be impressive work.

    Grece of course you would not look at the cost of making the solo compared to costs of making other items like it. Only to find out with Solo they have so far been quite cost effective.

  22. Grece says:

    You stated, “Facts not in evidence. EM has a car to sell and can break even in the first year of the backlog”

    There is no “break even”, Kroll admits openly that they are cash negative, this is why they have been seeking additional funding.

    I reassert my evidence as incontestable facts.

    FACT #1 – Kroll put $2 million of his own money into developing the Solo before Electra Meccanica was incorporated in February 2015.

    FACT #2 – It has raised another $3 million to take the car into production, with its official debut Sept. 9, 2016 at the Luxury and Supercar Weekend show in Vancouver.

    FACT #3 – Kroll was looking for $50 million in federal funding. He made a presentation June 14, 2016 to the Commons Industry, Science and Technology Committee.

    FACT #4 – Kroll was trying to raise another $10 million from private investors.

    FACT #5 – After the Solo’s debut, the company was to file for a listing on the OTCQB Venture Market, a U.S. over-the-counter exchange for small startups.

    So to summarize, $5 million was put in the pot, they are now cash negative and seeking funds. Kroll sought funding from the Canadian government and they said no, same thing with private funding, a definitive NO. Electra Meccanica / Inter Meccanica has not been listed on OTCQB market to date.

    All major components are sourced offshore but Kroll has been trying to get the federal government to help fund a larger assembly facility in Canada. To which they said no again. Discussions with companies in China, India and Eastern Europe were under way to produce up to 100,000 Solos beginning in the first quarter of 2017, but that’s come and gone. The second quarter is upon us and to date not one vehicle SOLD.

    So tell us, given these facts, what would a non-jaded person, unlike yourself, think about such a situation?

  23. Grece wrote, “Furthermore, one of the fastest dragsters does a 1/4 mile in 3.58 secs”.

    Dragsters use the viscosity of melting rubber for traction. It’s not legal to drive that way on city streets.

  24. Grece wrote, “Inter Meccanica is a joke. Seeking funding from the Canadian government to the tune of $50 million, and when that failed sought $10 million from private investors. Since that failed, and in review of their filings, they are needing a $3 million injection to continue work, or cease operations. “

    Facts not in evidence. EM has a car to sell and can break even in the first year of the backlog.

  25. Grece says:

    Also, where is the correlation between Inter Meccanica, that has been building sports cars for decades, and Tesla that has been selling electric vehicles of years, have to do anything about traction?

    Inter Meccanica is a joke. Seeking funding from the Canadian government to the tune of $50 million, and when that failed sought $10 million from private investors. Since that failed, and in review of their filings, they are needing a $3 million injection to continue work, or cease operations.

    You can deny it all you want, but the writing is on the wall, black-and-white.

  26. Grece says:

    Better call Elon and tell him he is wrong

    Furthermore, one of the fastest dragsters does a 1/4 mile in 3.58 secs. Your statement about traction is ignorant at best. But since we are discussing battery cars, the best speed on an electric dragster is 7.258 seconds. Want to amend your statement?

  27. Grece wrote, “the Tesla is capable of going 0-60 in two seconds”.

    No, it’s not. That’s ~1g, so it would have to dive off a cliff. No road I know will give that kind of traction.

    Inter Meccanica has been building sports cars for decades, much longer than Tesla.

  28. Grece says:

    As stated previously, serious funding is needed.

    Competition!? Are you delusional? LOL!!

    There is no competition in comparing both companies. Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation has yet to produce a SINGLE vehicle that is for sale to the general public, whereas TESLA has been doing so for years…YEARS!

    The roadster will be available in five stunning colors including Titanium Silver, Electric Red, Raven Black, Arctic White, and Bionic Bronze with a suggested retail price starting at $50,000*. Estimated deliveries will begin by 2019 and interested individuals can make a $1,000* reservation

    See, this is the bait-switch routine. Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation needs funds to continue operation, as stated in their filings. So what better way to do so, then as to up the ante so to speak and offer another vehicle, but wait, whats that?… it won’t be available till 2019??

    The specs of this EM roadster is ridiculous, as the Tesla is capable of going 0-60 in two seconds.

    This dog and pony show, known as Electra Meccanica Vehicles Corporation, will fail hard. I like to see how they continue on if they need a few million to continue operations. It is not possible.

    In essence, you are trying to comparing a hobbyist, that builds a few one-off’s to a large corporation that has presence internationally, and has a cumulative billion electric miles driven thus far.

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