Feeling Paleolithic? We’re On The Way Back In Time.

The Paleolithic Era was marked by the advance of hunting/gathering and the spread of humanity over the globe. By burning millions of years’ production of hydrocarbons in a century or so, we’ve brought CO2 back to the “good old days”. You can bet changing the chemistry of the atmosphere will have some effect.

In the short term, increasing levels may stimulate growth of plants but we’ve cut down lots of trees and replaced them with feeble vegetables and cereals. The world is not in balance. The dynamics will cause an overshoot long before we cut our reliance on hydrocarbons. Spreading a CO2 tarpaulin over the globe will cause even more global warming and shift climates rapidly. At my age I won’t mind a bit of warming but drought is another matter. If the continental interiors warm even a bit we won’t be able to grow enough trees. They need rain not higher temperatures. I’ve done my share. TLW won’t allow me to plant any more trees. I’ll sneak in a few while she isn’t looking next year but I expect she will establish a census or other regulatory regime for the yard.

Further south, about 40% of USAians apparently support Trump and his denial of global warming so I expect it will take another generation suffering even larger effects before real action is taken. I know when I was a boy we had a lot more snow and lower temperatures. Last winter we had only ankle-deep snow here and I only ran the snow blower two or three times. I keep having to water my trees or the ground becomes cracked and dried all around my yard. That’s not normal. Having bigger and more severe storms year after year in USA along with rising sea-level is not normal either. Will enough of us take notice? Stay tuned. I’ll be checking out before the %#@! hits the fan most likely but my grandchildren and their children will suffer the consequences. Too bad.

See WMO report on CO2 levels

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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27 Responses to Feeling Paleolithic? We’re On The Way Back In Time.

  1. ram says:

    Yup, it is back to the Eocene!

    These transitions may happen faster then you think:

    https://nsidc.org/sites/nsidc.org/files/files/WAIS_SciPlanHMHF_final.pdf

    Right now, Australia is unseasonably cool and wet. However, the ocean temperatures are higher and busy melting the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

  2. DrLoser says:

    Even provide a cite and idiot Dougman has to come out with a insult.

    Be fair, Wiz. He does it for everybody. He seems to have a particular beef for Fifi … who knows how that will end up? A proposal of marriage, possibly?

    OTOH, Dog-Brain is always good for a laugh when he attacks Robert’s feeble attempts at engineering and/or server purchases.

    The odd thing here is that Dog-Brain actually does know best when he does this. It’s a very low bar, I agree, but it’s a level of intellectual ability and honesty, nonetheless.

  3. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Awesome, now go away and don’t return.”

    You are going to have to do better than that, Dougie.

  4. dougman says:

    “Nope. Bored by you.”

    Awesome, now go away and don’t return.

  5. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Feeling old you geezer?”

    Nope. Bored by you.

  6. oiaohm says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
    The only, Global Dimming that is going on, is your brain!
    Even provide a cite and idiot Dougman has to come out with a insult.

    Reality is Global dimming and Global Warming are different facts about how the earth operates.

    Understanding Global dimming allows us to understand what mini ice ages will do with more current data. Instead of Global dimming that is atmospheric contamination reducing light levels a mini ice age the sun reduces it output for a while.

    Mind you we are on time table to have Global dimming under control.

    Sorry dougman the light bulb in your brain blew out years ago particularly when you think to claim something as not happening when it documented with it nasty effects. Global dimming works 2 ways to prevent rainfall. 1 reduced light to evaporate water. Two smaller droplets of water in clouds so even if the clouds contain the same volume of water they don’t rain when they normal would have. So no rail fall the plants don’t grow as fast so don’t use as much CO2 and other chemicals from the atmosphere.

    We must not have global dimming in effect when we get the mini ice age to repair some of what we have done. So we will be praying we don’t get any major volcanoes for the next mini ice age pushing the number back up. Basically as human we can only control so much of the cycles.

    Global dimming masks global warming happening. But once you stop global dimming you found out how evil it was being.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh6iXh0y71s
    September 11 twin towers mass aircraft grounding showed the existence of global dimming and what it was up-to past question.

    So both global dimming and global warming have worked with each other.

    If water does not evaporate and we don’t have rain were are we going to get our freshwater.

    In fact global dimming has already killed from what we can calculate over 1 million people by starvation due to creating droughts.

    Global warming we can design stuff to cope including living underground. Global dimming where you have no cheep freshwater say massive human death.

    Global dimming is absolutely not a solution to global warming. Global dimming is how to kill large percentage of human population with no technology work around.

    Scary part is global dimming out of control could leave china and India short or water and basically start world war III.

    So we are between rock and hard place. As we address global dimming the global warming effect global dimming hid on one hand and the created on the other we will have to face. So as humans we are not in for a fun future. Either stave due to no rain or cook due to heat.

  7. Deaf Spy says:

    The Internet of things is growing sans M$

    Do you really mean that? I hope not. 🙂

  8. dougman says:

    “Yawn….”

    Feeling old you geezer?

  9. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Life is great!”

    Yawn….

  10. dougman says:

    The only, Global Dimming that is going on, is your brain!

  11. oiaohm says:

    WOW!….so in essence will have a ying-yang effect, your expressed function has a null point doesn’t it?

    Wish it did. Only an idiot would say this Dougman. You have absolutely no clue as normal.
    2) global cooling is also absolutely confirmed.
    Miss quoted apparently you don’t understand global dimming. Global dimming cools on hand and heats the earth on the other.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

    Global dimming is nasty. Why you can have Global warming and Global dimming at the same time. The effect is interesting. You would think global warming would equal more evaporation. 90 percent of the earth evaporation of water is not by heat but in fact by light hitting water and causing water to evaporate.

    So when you have Global Dimming at the same time as Global Warming you don’t have the increase rainfall to increase plant growth to take up the excess CO2.

    So Global Dimming might be a big driving force than our direct CO2 emissions for why we have global warming. So these are not ying and yang. This is why Volkswagen emissions scandal is quite a big thing one of the big factors is that the cars when tested had higher particle output than what was regulator allowed so driving global dimming. Global dimming itself directly cool earth. Global Dimming reduced evaporation and light to plants so reducing the rate nature on earth takes up CO2. Yes burning fuels not cleanly is a very big cause of Global dimming. Yes worrying about CO2, methane and other gases and ignoring global dimming because it cools is a very big mistake. Global dimming that cools make nature not deal with the other gasses that then triggers global warming. So shock horror right Global Dimming drives Global Warming long term. Short term Global Dimming will cool a bit. Global Dimming is a lot like the Mini Ice ages. Yes Mini Ice ages is short term cooling followed by rebound to hotter then cooling back down if man made Global Dimming is not in effect. Man made global dimming it might not cool back down after the mini ice age. Yes 2030 we need stuff in order or else.

    Just become something is patented does not mean it works. Also that solar power panel on roof of car patent issued in 2013 should have been rejected due to prior art. Due to nothing there is different to what different solar car racers in Australia have used for a very long time.
    https://www.worldsolarchallenge.org/
    Yes next year is the 30 year of solar car racing.

    Cruiser Class in 2017 is mandated to be a 2 seater car running the complete race only on solar power and meet all standard car road regulations of Australia.
    https://www.worldsolarchallenge.org/event-information/2017_classes/cruiser_class

    2013 a standard 4 door car modified to electric was run the 3000KM race in experimental class with only 64kWh top up. That car was not the guys applying for the USA patent and that was on going experiments going back to the year 2000.

    So yes suggesting Tesla putting solar panels on roof of a car makes absolute sense and is proven and a good idea. In fact Tesla should enter the Australian solar car race as Adventure Class. Adventure class cannot win Tesla has too big of battery to take part in any of the competitive classes.

    Please note the reason solar panel area restrictions and two seater and standard car regulations is that one year they end up with solar car that was constantly breaking the road speed limit. Yes the reason why is that we are getting very close to a functional solar car.

    dougman the wind turbines bit is the bit that does not work. Increased wind drag equals decreased effectiveness of the overall car. Do notice how big a sail boat sail is. Air power ratio does not charge just because you put a turbine on. There are a lot of patents for ideas that don’t work in real life.

    Reality suggesting the wind turbine bit was a step too far into complete stupid idea that was patented because someone dreamed it could be made work.

  12. dougman says:

    Here’s some more BS for you.

    – M$ is waning
    – The Apple Store Line Is Dying
    – Android/ChromeOS is merging
    – The Internet of things is growing sans M$
    – Bitcoin is growing strong.

    Life is great!

  13. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “and I quote, “Sorry it attack my IQ again because you were pulled up for being completely wrong again.””

    Nice…

    And just as much BS as Fifi, but whatever.

  14. dougman says:

    and I quote, “Sorry it attack my IQ again because you were pulled up for being completely wrong again.”

  15. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Obviously the energy and transportation sectors are not your forte’.”

    Wow…
    How oiaohm of you.

  16. dougman says:

    “Translation: I don’t really have a response to Robert Pogsons post, so I’ll just make some stupid sneering remark instead.”

    Seriously…How is that stupid? Solar panels on the roof of cars would give you the ability to recharge as you go, same with wind turbines.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US3876925

    https://www.google.com/patents/US20130092457

    Obviously the energy and transportation sectors are not your forte’.

  17. Wizard Emeritus says:

    “Tesla should just cover the car in solar-cells and a big ass wind turbine on the roof.”

    Translation: I don’t really have a response to Robert Pogsons post, so I’ll just make some stupid sneering remark instead.

  18. dougman says:

    Tesla should just cover the car in solar-cells and a big ass wind turbine on the roof.

  19. dougman wrote, “over-price, over-hyped garbage”.

    The Teslas are luxury cars. There are many less expensive. Winnipeg has a lot of such cars because electricity is so cheap here. One guy commuted to work from the country and his electricity cost for the car was $77… They are also very reliable if range is not an issue. Fewer moving parts. No oil changes. More space for passengers/cargo. Less weight. It’s all good.

  20. dougman says:

    Tesla cars…HAH!

    What over-price, over-hyped garbage!!

    No thanks, I have my dependable farm-registered diesel truck that burns off-road diesel thank you and if diesel fuel is hard to ever come by, I have wood-gas that can be used.

  21. dougman wrote, “You may want to investigate this”.

    It is well known that Sun follows multiple cycles in heat/light/solar flare output. All of these can affect climate in cycles measured in some years due to the huge size of Sun and its distance. That’s not what we are talking about. Global warming is taking place over ~100y where coal and petroleum and peat were exploited for heating in the industrial age. This is a huge ramping up of production of CO2. Forests are the chief sink of carbon and they just can’t respond quickly enough to keep up so the levels in the atmosphere are rising orders of magnitude faster than Nature provided. We’ve reduced the sinks by cutting down rain-forests, clearing various forests for agriculture and things keep getting worse. Solar power could help a lot by cutting out carbon emissions but it will take decades to switch over.

    On a related note, I was being driven home by my son the other day when he pointed out an electric car which overtook us. It was a two-seater made by Tesla. Unfortunately it’s a luxury car, not a solution in the long run. Then there’s the Elio which is a single-seater, just right for many commuters but it runs on petroleum… My home is heated hydroelectrically so I’m doing my part along with planting more trees than grass but few of my neighbours do the same. They just don’t care and that will continue until it’s too late.

  22. dougman says:

    LMAO!

    1) global warming is absolutely confirmed.
    2) global cooling is also absolutely confirmed.

    WOW!….so in essence will have a ying-yang effect, your expressed function has a null point doesn’t it?

  23. oiaohm says:

    Seems science can’t make up it’s mind; but all in all, this alleged global warming may save us from the lower freezing temperature.
    Dougman global warming is not alleged problem here is there are multi factors.
    1) global warming is absolutely confirmed.
    2) global dimming effect is also absolutely confirmed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming
    The big one is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glacier_Mass_Balance_Map.png

    Mini ice-ages what refills Glaciers. So mini ice-ages is what puts ice in earth like us putting ice in a cooler to keep food inside at the right temperature.

    Global warming means we are burning through Glaciers at faster and faster rates possibly faster than what a mini ice age can refill without human interference.

    A big problem is global dimming that is particle pollution that reduced water evaporation due to direct light. This is kinda important in mini ice-age to make sure enough water goes up into clouds and falls as snow to refill Glaciers.

    So we are double stuffing the system.

    Basically we have until 2030 to get the atmospheric environment right or we might have just stuffed the next 200+ years after 2040.

    Yes the earth functions in cycles due to the Sun but we can make mistake in particular places of the cycle and do ourselves very little harm long term. Yet other parts of the cycle like mini ice ages must function correctly or we will find ourselves for a 200+ years on a way hotter earth until we get another mini ice age were we can attempt to fix our mistake again.

    The fact that mini ice-ages are over 200 years apart means we should not look at them as some work around to over heating the earth. Mini ice-ages are the earth cycle clocks alarm bell. Hit a mini ice-age doing the wrong thing we will suffer for it because the mini ice-age will not be able to-do what it need to-do to keep large sections of the earth liveable. Its also a measure of how bad we stuff it up. Stuff it up completely before the next mini ice age after the end of 2040 there will be no glaciers or north/south ice so well and truly raised sea levels.

    The mini ice age coming it what will allow us to lower the sea levels if we get everything right. I am not holding out much hope of this.

  24. dougman says:

    You may want to investigate this: http://www.sciencealert.com/a-mini-ice-age-is-coming-in-the-next-15-years

    Seems science can’t make up it’s mind; but all in all, this alleged global warming may save us from the lower freezing temperature.

  25. dougman wrote, “CO2 is a building block of life. It is not a pollutant. It would be akin to stating that there is too much oxygen or nitrogen in the air.”

    That’s true, of course. The problem is not CO2 in the atmosphere but the rate of change of CO2. We are putting a million years of absorbed-by-trees CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years. That change is faster than plants can evolve to reabsorb it. It also is changing our climate so that whole regions that have been livable for ~1K years may soon not be livable. Then there’s farming. Our present population is supported mostly by farming and fried farms are not going to be able to feed everyone. It’s a looming catastrophe, all byproducts of the global warming. Of course over millennia climates do change but the problem is the rate is far too high. It’s disruptive. My well is likely to dry up, perhaps my river too. A lot of North America’s bread-basket will be shut down. Probably corn too. Cattle can’t eat grass nor drink water that’s not there. What are your descendants going to eat? We had an ice-age here recently. All the “new” inhabitants migrated from elsewhere. With global warming we may all have to migrate elsewhere to be comfortable. Good luck with starving masses welcoming you with open arms.

  26. dougman wrote, “taxation is theft”.

    Well, it could be if it were some dictator sending out tax-collectors. These days we have a democratically elected government applying taxes to provide us services that are most efficiently/practically done by government like supporting the poor, building roads, defending borders, keeping criminals in check etc.

    The fact that some individuals don’t want government doing some/any thing doesn’t make collecting taxes theft. If you don’t like your government change it. You can. Vote, campaign, join, argue, whatever… If you don’t want any government, buy/build a boat and sail onto the high seas. Good luck.

  27. dougman says:

    LOL…Robert you have falling for the liberal lie, as you watch far too much tele. By the way, it seems that you, along with Al Gore and Bill Gates agree on this topic.

    Since you have lots of free time, go find the Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, and Vision 2050 papers.

    …according to a new report by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). LMAO..Yup…there’s one reputable organization.

    CO2 is a building block of life. It is not a pollutant. It would be akin to stating that there is too much oxygen or nitrogen in the air.

    “In the short term, increasing levels may stimulate growth of plants but we’ve cut down lots of trees and replaced them with feeble vegetables and cereals. The world is not in balance. The dynamics will cause an overshoot long before we cut our reliance on hydrocarbons. Spreading a CO2 tarpaulin over the globe will cause even more global warming and shift climates rapidly. At my age I won’t mind a bit of warming but drought is another matter. If the continental interiors warm even a bit we won’t be able to grow enough trees. They need rain not higher temperatures.”

    That is all hyperbole, not science in any form. In fact, there is mass dissent on the subject: http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf

    Global warming is socialism by the back door. The whole point of global warming is that it’s a rationalization for progressives to do what progressives want to do, which is concentrate more and more power in Washington, more and more Washington power in the executive branch, more and more executive branch power in independent czars and agencies to micromanage the lives of the American people — our shower heads, our toilets, our bathtubs, our garden hoses. Everything becomes involved in the exigencies of rescuing the planet.

    Second, global warming is a religion in the sense that it’s a series of propositions that can’t be refuted. It’s very ironic that the global warming alarmists say, “We are the real defenders of science,” and then they adopt the absolute reverse of the scientific attitude, which is openness to evidence. You cannot refute what they say.

    My suggestion, is to stop breathing, do it right now!

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