Some Dirt Is Better Than Others

“this latest ruling, from the very court that upended things nearly two decades ago in declaring software much more broadly patentable than anyone believed, may now be the nail in the coffin on software patents in the US. The headline, of course, is that the patents that Intellectual Ventures used against anti-virus firms Symantec and Trend Micro, were bunk, because they did not cover patent eligible subject matter. But the part that has everyone chattering is the concurring opinion by Judge Haldane Mayer, that says it’s time to face facts: Alice killed software patents. And Mayer is not some newcomer. He’s been at the Federal Circuit since the 1980s and was actually the chief judge in the late 90s/early 2000s when CAFC was at its worst in terms of expanding patent law. And it appears he’s been born again into the anti-software patent world. It’s… quite a conversion.”
 
See Prominent Pro-Patent Judge Issues Opinion Declaring All Software Patents Bad
Over on Tech Dirt, there’s TFA about a ruling of a court that could pound in the last nail of the coffin of “software patents”, you know, patents on stuff that’s not patentable because it looks new and shiny just because it’s coded into a computer…

Yes, when hurricane Matthew is shredding the FL coast, I get news that a court has actually put 2 and 2 together and got 4. I’ve been saying for years that software is copyrightable, not patentable, and now an actual court agrees. Pigs are flying, and it’s not just the hurricane doing that, judges are thinking about what stuff means. While such a ruling is very important for technology widely used in business and the Internet, it should also get some bullies off the backs of creators/distributors of FLOSS, Free/Libre Open Source Software, which I favour. It may ding M$’s bottom line, for instance, but it will free */Linux users and creators from one big worry, that they will be in trouble if they compete with M$. I like that.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.

This entry was posted in technology and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink.

70 Responses to Some Dirt Is Better Than Others

  1. oiaohm says:

    Opps 1 of dec not 31 nov. I just temporary forgot November is 30 days.

  2. oiaohm says:

    You stated it would be a day longer…looks like you cannot count! And to think, you call yourself a top-gun citrus picker! I am willing to bet you short the pick count and steal from your employer don’t you?
    dougman no you are a idiot. The day long is so your dates cover everyone on the earth. Its the date line. So you quote you starter and ending at the worst times of the date-line or state what time-zone. What you quoted does not contain time-zone.

    So not all thing counted by simple addition or subtraction. When a astronomical event is going to happen is nothing strange for it to be reported 24 hours long to make sure that anyone setting up to observe the event will at least be set up for the start time. If the times was at UTC-0 to produce time-zone less times to report is basically subtract 12 hours from start time and add 12 hours to finish time. So to be correct it had to be from the 14 November 3pm to 31 November 4:45am if those numbers were UTC-0 and then converted to astronomical time zone neutral.

    Key word is Nasa said “informed the world” this means timezone neutral times so should be a day longer. So the fact your calculator is saying 15 days is wrong and need to be saying 16+ days to be right.

    Yes the reason for most likely a day longer is astronomical time zone neutral times.

    Only way paragraph 1 and 2 can be correct is if the event is 14 days long. Then the title is wrong. So no matter how you look at it something is wrong.

    Basically you have walked into another idiot trap. Both numbers are at least a day short if you know how those doing astronomy write the numbers.

    So anyone who knows astronomical stuff would not fall for a garbage item like that because the dates and times and title don’t add up for what they should be.

  3. dougman says:

    “Idiot read your own quote again. Those are not the alleged times in your quote.”

    Ok sure, lets roll with that.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?&m1=11&d1=15&y1=2016&m2=11&d2=30&y2=2016&h1=15&i1=0&s1=0&h2=16&i2=45&s2=59

    “f course anyone who can read and do basic maths so see a problem. 15+15 =30 right. So if the statement was correct it should be at least November 15 to November 30 most like a day longer. ”

    You stated it would be a day longer…looks like you cannot count! And to think, you call yourself a top-gun citrus picker! I am willing to bet you short the pick count and steal from your employer don’t you?

  4. oiaohm says:

    IDIOT, you can’t even count! The alleged starting date/time would be 00:00 hrs Nov 15 with the alleged commencement at 23:59 hrs Nov 29. Seriously, go look on a calendar.
    Idiot read your own quote again. Those are not the alleged times in your quote.
    According to NASA this phenomenon was in the pipeline for a long period and the astronomers from NASA have informed that the world will experience a strange event from November 15 at 3:00 am and it is likely to continue until November 30, 4:45 pm.

    So since it was not starting a midnight and ending at a midnight the bogus crap you just posted did not even apply. In fact his is proven you cannot read. The first two paragraphs directly dispute with each other and only 1 could be true or the complete lot is false. So best option its not a trust worthy source does not pass the basic test.

    But first let me ask this, you don’t trust what? NASA or the fact that the Earth experiences periods of darkness. I am just curious
    Then answer is none of the above I don’t fall for a hoax that cannot even keep their number close to correct and end up with disputing numbers. This is not about if I trust NASA or if I consider if Earth experiences periods of darkness.

    Basic document checking nothing less. Funny that you attempted to prove that it had to be midnight to midnight and did check if that was what the source document said. You should have said the first paragraph has a error and refereed me to the second paragraph. But no you are incompetent and quoted something without reading it. Does not counter the point that NASA has put out that is false.

  5. dougman says:

    Never answered the question.

    “But first let me ask this, you don’t trust what? NASA or the fact that the Earth experiences periods of darkness. I am just curious.”

  6. dougman says:

    “NASA has confirmed that earth will experience total darkness for 15 days in November 2016 starting from November 15 to November 29. So this is 100 percent lie that you are repeating. Of course anyone who can read and do basic maths so see a problem. 15+15 =30 right. So if the statement was correct it should be at least November 15 to November 30 most like a day longer. So idiot mistake quoting it.”

    IDIOT, you can’t even count! The alleged starting date/time would be 00:00 hrs Nov 15 with the alleged commencement at 23:59 hrs Nov 29. Seriously, go look on a calendar.

    Here is a link: https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?&m1=11&d1=15&y1=2016&m2=11&d2=29&y2=2016&h1=00&i1=00&s1=00&h2=23&i2=59&s2=59

  7. oiaohm says:

    http://www.universetoday.com/131582/no-wont-15-days-darkness-november-another-stupid-hoax/
    dougman read the link you complete idiot. NASA never said the statement you posted.
    NASA has confirmed that earth will experience total darkness for 15 days in November 2016 starting from November 15 to November 29.
    So this is 100 percent lie that you are repeating. Of course anyone who can read and do basic maths so see a problem. 15+15 =30 right. So if the statement was correct it should be at least November 15 to November 30 most like a day longer. So idiot mistake quoting it.

  8. dougman says:

    “Calling me Fifi and quoting hoax means you are not getting cite answers for at least while.”

    LOL…..Fifi, ask me if I care you buffoon! But first let me ask this, you don’t trust what? NASA or the fact that the Earth experiences periods of darkness. I am just curious.

  9. oiaohm says:

    dougman what cannot take heat so now quoting hoaxs.

    Yes it true Microsoft has documented cases of getting invalid patents.
    http://www.universetoday.com/131582/no-wont-15-days-darkness-november-another-stupid-hoax/
    Calling me Fifi and quoting hoax means you are not getting cite answers for at least while.

  10. dougman says:

    Fifi, you may want to look into this!

    NASA Confirms Earth Will Experience 15 Days Of Darkness In November 2016

    NASA has confirmed that earth will experience total darkness for 15 days in November 2016 starting from November 15 to November 29.

    According to NASA this phenomenon was in the pipeline for a long period and the astronomers from NASA have informed that the world will experience a strange event from November 15 at 3:00 am and it is likely to continue until November 30, 4:45 pm.

    The officials believe this blackout is the result of an astronomical event between Venus and Jupiter. Charles Bolden, head of NASA issued a 1000 page document which explains the event in detail to the White House.

    The reports claim that Venus and Jupiter will be very closely engaged and they will be separated by a mere 1 degree. Venus will surpass to the south-west of Jupiter which results in Venus shining 10 times brighter than Jupiter and this light will heat up the gases in Jupiter causing a reaction. The resulting gas reaction will release a never before seen amount of hydrogen into the space which will make contact with sun at around 2:50 am.

    When hydrogen makes contact with sun it will cause a massive explosion on the sun’s surface and it will have an effect on the temperature which increases to 9,000 degrees kelvin in no time.

    The heat caused by the whole process will force sun to turn into bluish colour and once it changes it colour it will take at least 14 days to restore its normal temperature and retaining its normal colour of Red Giant.

    Meanwhile, the light from sun will be much dimmer than normal and people will experience the change only after 2:58 am on November 15th.

    “We do not expect any major effects from the Blackout event. The only effect this event will have on Earth is an increase of 6 – 8 degrees in temperature. the polar cap will be mostly affected by this. No one should worry much. This event would be similar to what Alaskans experience in the winter”. Bolden said.

  11. oiaohm says:

    Ram it would be one thing if they were true valid patents. Microsoft Ribbon patent is perfect example was was perfectly covered by a prior patent patent that was not even expired when it was issued let alone prior art. Majority of software patents that end up going to court get thrown out for being invalid. You would be lucky if about 1 in 1000 issued software patents pass being a new invention just not reworded old invention that should not have been issued a patent due to prior art or prior existing patent. A valid patent should be a mechanical process that could be implemented in software or hardware. It is possible for some of the current software patents to meet a mechanical process test and be a new way.

    Like a valid new software patent would be something like a encryption patent for a new encryption method.
    http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/enigma/patents/index.htm
    Encryption methods have been patented for a long time. Of course encryption method in patent should be detailed well enough that you could do with a pen paper and a hell of a lot of time. So absolute. Software patents that are absolute are less than 1 in 1000. Microsoft Ribbon and the prior tab toolbar patents were absolute what they were. Early software patents had to pass the mechanical test and that should have never been removed.

  12. ram says:

    Unfortunately for the US economy, while they were trying to impose software patents to benefit an hereditary elite, they seem to have wiped out most of their economy. Now their technology is well behind that of China, Russia, and France, and others.

  13. oiaohm says:

    “Take the case that a sub is damaged for some reason. Yet there is a surface ship that has been captured. Remember diesel subs. Yes scuttling the sub and taking the sea worthy captured ship has to be considered. If the sea worthy captured ship will increase combat strength it will be taken.”
    That is taken from
    http://mrpogson.com/2012/02/12/us-marines-slim-down-it/#comment-83538

    Nothing in that post was a lie yet you think its a smart point to quote it now and say is you are a charlatan dougman. So going back 4+ years to attempt to find yourself a point and failing completely.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Absolutely does not have a clue how to make money from simple work.

  14. dougman says:

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I don’t have to admit anything. You and you alone, provide self-evidence that you are a charlatan

    For example. Interesting point. There is something interesting here.

    “Take the case that a sub is damaged for some reason. Yet there is a surface ship that has been captured. Remember diesel subs. Yes scuttling the sub and taking the sea worthy captured ship has to be considered. If the sea worthy captured ship will increase combat strength it will be taken.”

    You are a charlatan, Mr. Oiaohm, and everyone here has come to understand that.

  15. oiaohm says:

    “Barista is a subclass of people.”

    So you freely admit, to be lowly scum? How mighty decent of you to finally do so.

    Barista is a subclass of salespeople.

    Apparently you cannot admit you are wrong so you have to miss quote to attempt to win a point you bit of scum dougman the super big idiot who does not know much.

  16. dougman says:

    “Barista is a subclass of people.”

    So you freely admit, to be lowly scum? How mighty decent of you to finally do so.

  17. oiaohm says:

    dougman how bonus is calculated and paid is based on the award covering the field of work.

    For a part timer working 20 hours a week, 500/1040 = 48 cents per hour.
    For a partner working 30 hours a week, 500/1560 = 32 cents per hour.
    Finally, for a full time partner working 40 hours, 500/2080 = 24 cents per hour.

    That is not the barista award implementation of bonus. Its not the sales person implementation of bonus either.

    sign-on bonus to be paid over the entire year, or some other spread out payment method.
    Neither of those is part of the award barista. Bonus are paid based on results
    Sorry is you being clueless again.

    https://www.worldatwork.org/adimComment?id=31661
    Barista is a subclass of salespeople. Just like salespeople bonus are paid based on sales instead of taking commissions(tips). Unlike sales people the barista min time frame to be paid the full bonus is 1 hour with increased sales rate justifying the bonus payment compared to a normal salesperson 1 min month. None of this spread over 12 months crap as you find in non sales fields. Also just like salespeople you have a choice. Bonuses or Tips(being barista equal to commission and some places the tip value is included in the drink price and goes automatically to the person who gives you the drink).

    So in a 8 hour shift it possible to get 800 dollars in bonus payments as a Barista. That would be 8 individual bonus payments at 100 dollars. The site you went to just said the max bonus size failed to include the interval and you incorrect presumed 12 months when the interval is 1 hour.

    Barista is base pay+ tips or bonuses for the night. That is just how the Barista award works.

    So working out how much money is in bonus payments it key to understand how the award for the job works and what the awards bonus payment interval is.

    Bonus is not salary that is right. Bonus is special payments for tasks performed that increase sales for Barista. Bonus exist to encourage Barista to keep on looking for ways to maintain and increase sales with instant reward for job well done. Interesting enough a bonus payments for a Barista can be paid on the night base pay has to wait for normal salary payments time tables.

    Bonus is any payment that does not have to give to you in your salary payment. Different awards have different full bonus payment intervals with barista being one of the shortest.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Absolutely does not have a clue how to make money from simple work.

  18. dougman says:

    In all actuality, the “BONUS” you gloriously brought up, is either for a sign-on bonus to be paid over the entire year, or some other spread out payment method.

    For example, here is a breakdown on a $500 bonus. Follow-along if you can.

    For a part timer working 20 hours a week, 500/1040 = 48 cents per hour.
    For a partner working 30 hours a week, 500/1560 = 32 cents per hour.
    Finally, for a full time partner working 40 hours, 500/2080 = 24 cents per hour.

  19. dougman says:

    “dougman go back and read the page carefully. Bonus AU$0.00 – AU$101.10”

    LMAO! I am setting here laughing!!

    Obviously you do not know, that a “BONUS” is NOT a salary you dweeb. Trying to convey that “BONUS” equates to a paid salary is ludicrous. But, just tit-for-tat, just to use your logic. The bonus has a range $0 – $100, yes? So in your failed logic, one could be paid a penny per hour, correct? What about zero?? Which would be you pay-rate.

  20. oiaohm says:

    dougman go back and read the page carefully.
    Bonus AU$0.00 – AU$101.10
    That is for speciality skills “fruit juicer barista” the base barista pay of AU$12.76 – AU$22.44 does not cover juicing fruit but using fruit juice from a bottle. The juicer bit if you are good takes you to $100 an hour but only while producing juice. Please note that is not the highest paid. Juggling barista as people see in the movie cocktails that takes you to $122 an hour while doing the performance because doing that is taking a set of unrequired risks but looks good and draws crowd.

    So the pay rate for people behind a bar is quite variable. You have base pay and bonus skill pay. So rolled eyes because you are an idiot. An idiot who had the idea that all those behind a bar are lowly paid.

    You can juice fruit on min wage or you can juice fruit properly as a barista and be well paid. If you are only paying barista base pay expect to get what ever juice comes out a bottle put in the glass same with many other short cuts that under mine the quality of drink served.

    So this is still a case on you commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about dougman the idiot.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Absolutely does not have a clue how to make money from simple work.

  21. dougman says:

    ¡Ay, caramba!

    Yes, $100/hr Fruity juicer barista, anything you say. *rolls-eyes*

    http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Barista/Hourly_Rate

  22. oiaohm says:

    Why in the hell would someone pay you $100/hr to grind-up oranges? At best your remuneration would be a minimum wage salary, if that. Like $8/hr.
    High grade citrus juice is not made by grinding. Its made by squeezing correctly to get juice without chemicals from pith. Chemicals from pith takes away sweetness of the juice and gives the bitter after taste. Even squeezing use too much force you release some of the chemicals trapped in the pith and ruin the juice so it cannot be used in particular drinks.

    Its paid well because its not easy to get right but very easy to stuff up. This is why you make 10 times more when you know how to-do it right and can do it right than those who are on basic wage. Of course unless you are paid more its really simple not to do it right.

    Citrus juicing fruit there are two levels of it. Note I said for drinks. This is at a bar juiced right they sell 15 times the number of drinks. So quite profitable for everyone involved. Its not like doing it right is slower at producing juice it produces less juice per volume of fruit but you can process more fruit in effect produce 4 times the volume of juice in a hour in the same workspace area. Citrus juice heavily tainted with pith has a mild after taste(basically sensor overload) incorrectly processed juice with a very minor taint of pith has a extreme after taste and correctly processed has no after taste.

    Lightly tainted juice is basically not usable without intentionally adding more pith because once it tainted you cannot remove it.

    So this is pay brackets with no middle road. You either get min wage or at least 10 times that. If I was just grinding up citrus you would be right its min wage. Its the processing without pith taint that pays 10 times more and is not easy to get right. The reality quality and speed of production is important. Quality heavily defines how much you get paid.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Absolutely does not have a clue how to make money from simple work.

  23. dougman says:

    “I make 100 dollars an hour juicing citrus fruit.”

    I present, Ham-Dong, the fruity juicer!

    Why in the hell would someone pay you $100/hr to grind-up oranges? At best your remuneration would be a minimum wage salary, if that. Like $8/hr.

    “This is the case some jobs that sound boring are quite well paid if you can do them well.”

    Just admit it, you have no job or life to speak of. In fact, you do not subscribe to doing anything well, do you? Its painfully obvious that you cannot even handle rhetorical debating. Why?..no one can understand what the hell you are saying that’s why!

    Not to mention, you try to hide it with the excuse of dyslexia, poor English language comprehension and some so-called scientific methodology of writing, that supposedly crosses over to how you don’t use proper grammar, punctuation and spelling.

    LOSER.

  24. oiaohm says:

    Hurry the hell up!… I am setting on my back porch making me an omelet and I want that orange juice pronto.
    1) I don’t cook omelets for people because that does not pay enough money at my skill level at doing it.
    2) I make 100 dollars an hour juicing citrus fruit. Its all about right method, equipment and correct sorting of fruit to produce high grade juice for drinks. I don’t do this all year round its done for particular events.

    This is the case some jobs that sound boring are quite well paid if you can do them well. So why be insulted when you are suggesting something that in fact pays very well and you are too much of a idiot to know how to do those jobs in a high paying way. Yes juicing fruit is anywhere between less and min wage to very highly paid based on the quality of juice and the type of juice you are producing.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Absolutely does not have a clue how to make money from simple work.

  25. dougman says:

    “A gun picker can pick about 1 ton a hour”

    Hurry the hell up!… I am setting on my back porch making me an omelet and I want that orange juice pronto. Can’t wait for the day that China invades your worthless country.

  26. oiaohm says:

    You do realize that, once you graduate from college with a BA degree (4-years). You have to enroll a another four years at a medical school, not to mention residency and licensure.
    You said the blocking a doctor has to be qualified before doing their final residency. After a doctor is qualified they have to do a residency before they are interdependent licensed. And the qualification is only recognised overseas after being licensed. While they are doing their final residency they are on a restricted license so qualification at that point is reconsidered overseas.

    We don’t call the extra 4 years medical school. BA is 4 years at normal collage and then 4 years at medical collage. So different word different country. Then 2 years of residency before independent license. That is where the ones picking were stuck they were qualified but unlicensed because they could not get a job using qualification and would have been instantly licensed once they submitted that they had a job.

    Not obtaining work in Australia would not stop them, they just go elsewhere.
    So not obtaining work means they don’t get a license so they cannot go elsewhere until they get a license. So qualified but unlicensed. So a person done 8 years of training that is not usable why there was kinda a uproar in 1997 about it.

    By the way what was strange about it. Australia stuffed the numbers up then the USA and UK stuffed the numbers up in 1998 a year latter. So from 1997 to year 2000 there was a cascade of medical collages around the world not making sure they had enough places to finish off qualifying their medical personal. This is why it was strange it was like watching a set of dominoes fall.
    Seems like these strangest screw-ups revolve around you, it not , then Australia is a screwed up country.
    This is case where Australia was a trigger to a mess that lasted 3 years. Of course here your commenting again without doing any research to know what the event was.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/gun-sunraysia-fruit-picker-makes-more-than-2000-a-week-20150310-13zuxf.html
    LOL!..oh yes… a seasonal job that pays $10 – $15/hr. You are delusional.
    Citrus picking is based on tonnage not hours. Its at least 50 dollars a ton normally closer to 60 dollars and this is calculated down to a per bin. A gun picker can pick about 1 ton a hour but normally goes slower because its about endurance because they are wanting to-do 8 hours instead of 3 hours. Gun picker working a half day(4 hours) bring in about 70-80% of a full day pay due to being able to go faster but do require the 4 hours they did not work to be light to avoid body harm. Its the only job you can take half a day off and still bring home most of your pay. $30-40/hr is nothing strange in Citrus. Also Citrus picking in Australia is not seasonal if you join the right company. Due to the different Citrus we grow here its a 365 day year job if you want it with provided accommodation at the different locations. That is something that write up does not mention. Gun pickers normally don’t pay accommodation. Out of all the crop picking its one of the best paid if you are good at it. If you are poor at it min wage will look great. Due to citrus picking being a per ton job it you cannot pick well you can be making less than min wage.

    Gun’s are not allowed in Australia, we already went over this fact.
    Gun is a formal title in the citrus industry as well as being used to refer to a firearm. So this is another case of you being an absolute idiot. That only think the word Gun refers to firearms.

    So you wanted this topic and just proved you are a idiot on another topic.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy.

  27. dougman says:

    “1997 Australia the worlds strangest screw-ups ever.”

    Seems like these strangest screw-ups revolve around you, it not , then Australia is a screwed up country.

    “For a total of 100 vacant Doctor level medical positions collages graduate 800 people. So only 1 in 8 could in fact get a job using their qualification.”

    You do realize that, once you graduate from college with a BA degree (4-years). You have to enroll a another four years at a medical school, not to mention residency and licensure. Not obtaining work in Australia would not stop them, they just go elsewhere. Unless they are so stupid to want to work picking crap out of a field.

    “So having a Doctors qualification does not mean you can make $100K-250K at all”

    Your being a dweeb again. http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2F_Doctors/Salary

    “So yes there was quite the funny position of fully qualified Doctors doing very odd jobs including fruit picking because that was the only jobs open.”

    We’re they relatives of yours?

    “Also here is a super fun fact a gun citrus picker can in fact make 150K per year.”

    LOL!..oh yes… a seasonal job that pays $10 – $15/hr. You are delusional.

    “Yes all the doctors were gun grade pickers.”

    Gun’s are not allowed in Australia, we already went over this fact.

    “Doctors are not stupid they went for the well paid picking that does min damage to human body. This is knowing crop picking. Some crop picking is very well paid.”

    Obviously your doctors are VERY stupid.

  28. oiaohm says:

    LOL…your bipolar lies are seeping out. Why the hell would three medical doctors be out in the field picking vegetables? Ask yourself this, if you made $100k -$250K a year, would you sweat your ass off picking food from a dusty field? HELL NO!!
    1997 Australia the worlds strangest screw-ups ever. For a total of 100 vacant Doctor level medical positions collages graduate 800 people. So only 1 in 8 could in fact get a job using their qualification. So having a Doctors qualification does not mean you can make $100K-250K at all because to get that income requires an open position. Same happened with other medical qualifications. So yes there was quite the funny position of fully qualified Doctors doing very odd jobs including fruit picking because that was the only jobs open. Also here is a super fun fact a gun citrus picker can in fact make 150K per year. Yes all the doctors were gun grade pickers. Doctors are not stupid they went for the well paid picking that does min damage to human body. This is knowing crop picking. Some crop picking is very well paid.

    I did say citrus not beans. Of course here you again going off on a tangent without facts again.

    No that you are a complete moron who does not understand supply and demand. Now just because you get a qualification does not mean it cannot be a over supplied field.

    Obviously you education is lacking, such that a normal 9-5 job paying a good salary is too far above you.
    Really no. When I can make more in 3 hours picking citrus than 2 days doing a 9-5 entry level job and you need money to get the qualifications you want guess what job person like me will take. Any job that does not require an advanced diploma or higher is lower paid than citrus picking if you are skilled at it.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy.

  29. dougman says:

    So resorting to miss quoting because you cannot accept being wrong. No its possible to mock a person without miss quoting. Of course cannot like being pulled up that miss quoting is invalid so now is going to quote everything to try to get me to give that miss quoting is allow.

    This just shows the level idiot you are who does not know the difference between mocking and miss quoting. Its the old idiot excuse that mocking allows them to do miss quoting and other major mistakes.

    So lets be more of a fraud . I have not raise the fact you don’t have a clue about farm equipment or anything else. It was me who point out that the breakages robert was suffering from was avoidable by ploughing.

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I have mentioned it before but the process is a pain in ass. The fact you referring to miss quoting as mocking really means you are a idiot. You said that miss quoting is fine for mocking right.

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Badly packages applications exist. Depending how built Yes it would be better at long last has agreed to sit down and work Ok it would be nicer

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Interesting point. There is something interesting here. Since you were completely wrong again please do this to yourself.

    There are about 12 cases that has done this on different topics including religion. I typed that line because I am sick of the same repeated mistake. So much the 100 percent normal idiot game play.

    Since I suffer from dyslexia I have to understand the diagnostic methods used for it and the statistics about it.

  30. dougman says:

    Back to dyslexia are we? First you’re my friend; now you turn a 360 on me! Where do you get off!

    “Crop picking does not bother me because that how I made money to pay for my first qualifications.”

    Obviously you education is lacking, such that a normal 9-5 job paying a good salary is too far above you.

    “So this is another case about you attempt to be insulting with something that completely does not bother me and never would.”

    Obviously it DOES, or you would not have brought it up. Are you mad?

    “All it does by you attempting to use this as insulting shows you are a idiot.”

    Actually you’re too much of an idiot, to realize its hilarious to mock you. Spamming with your wall-o-text to make your useless drivel point across is laughable.

    “It was fun doing crop picking one of the picking teams was a team of medical doctors.”

    Oh yes bent over and straddling a row picking green beans at high-n0on is such a lovely and fun job!..NOT!! Today I picked 90′ of beans I grew in my backyard and they are delicious!

    “I am not kidding you had a dentist, GP, pathology… all in one team picking citrus.”

    LOL…your bipolar lies are seeping out. Why the hell would three medical doctors be out in the field picking vegetables? Ask yourself this, if you made $100k -$250K a year, would you sweat your ass off picking food from a dusty field? HELL NO!!

    I think you like to make up stuff in your mind, to make yourself feel better. (Eg. Oh doctors does this job too, I don’t feel bad and depressed about myself, I must be of worth.) In psychology, they call this “displacement” and you are a perfect example. Hopefully, you don’t get too depressed and go off the rocker so too speak, and build them father/mother bombs you discussed some weeks back.

    “They were not stuck up ass-holes like you.”

    Now..now. Don’t make me get in touch with the Australian authorities and write you up for hate-speech.

  31. oiaohm says:

    Oh my!.. How many subjects can you bring up all at once? Better yet, how about for once, you discuss an actual topic you know something about.
    No you have just suggested adding on 2 more topics. It been you idiot who has been choosing the topics.

    https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-dyslexia
    Now those one is funny so they say 1/5 what is 20 percent in one section and the USA department of Health says 15% dyslexia rate then another group 12%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristics_of_dyslexia
    Then the wikipedia numbers 3-10% form USA Schools upto 20-35% from US community sampling depending on the study. Yes the USA department of Health and USA Schools don’t agree on the rate of dyslexia because they use two different grading systems yet they use the same tests. In fact all those numbers come by using the same tests for dyslexia with different grading systems.

    At this point you start seeing a problem Dyslexia rate is directly liked to test used. Even the US admits males are more diagnosed that females even that the dyslexia rate is in fact identical between both. So school numbers have to be taken with a serous grain of salt due to failure to diagnose. The failure to diagnose rate is insanely high.

    Actually is more like 3-7%–So dougman where did you get this from. I cannot see it on the wikipedia. 3%-10% was quoted for a long time but does not align with a lot of studies. There was a old global number at 3-7% that was proven as invalid.

    You might have mixed up Dyscalculia for Dyslexia as that has 3-6% or 3-7% depending on the study. Of course this would mean you have dyslexia so could not tell the difference between the word Dyscalculia and Dyslexia.

    Crop picking does not bother me because that how I made money to pay for my first qualifications. So this is another case about you attempt to be insulting with something that completely does not bother me and never would. All it does by you attempting to use this as insulting shows you are a idiot. It was fun doing crop picking one of the picking teams was a team of medical doctors. I am not kidding you had a dentist, GP, pathology… all in one team picking citrus. They were not stuck up ass-holes like you. Of course they would never think of attempting to use crop picking as a insult.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy.

  32. dougman says:

    Oh my!.. How many subjects can you bring up all at once? Better yet, how about for once, you discuss an actual topic you know something about.

    I would recommend Aboriginal face-painting or crop picking to start. Anything else, you are just choking on your own breath.

  33. oiaohm says:

    dougman its not the first time I have refuted the wikipedia. Over religion I did point on the the wikipeida mentioned canon Islamic law
    (قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī) qanun is canon but incorrect reference this as Sharia when its not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_law This mistake by people using english translations causes totally incorrect responses to Islam.

    So the claim that all my facts come from the wikipedia is so bogus its not funny. I have pointed out errors on the wikipedia many times just you have not been paying attention to that either. When I reference the wikipedia I have normally fact checked what I am referencing.

    Maybe in third-world Australia where you live, the dyslexia rate is that high, but in the rest of the world it’s not.
    12% is the USA collected numbers not the Australian collected ones that I in fact provided one of the references it. That is 12% of the total USA population that happen to have major language issues with cause diagnosed as dyslexia not the more mild common forms dyslexia that just lower a students grade point average. So yes in the USA over 1/10 people you walk past in the street are diagnosed with dyslexia to the level of making them not fully functional in the community.

    3-7% on the wikipedia is a average different countries collected using different metrics dyslexia for who they count as with dyslexia and without dyslexia. The fact that the USA number is 12% and the percent you quoted is 3-7% should be enough to raise alarm bells that there is something wrong with the numbers.

    There are a lot of formal studies testing out all the different tests to diagnose dyslexia and all those formal studies say if you take people off the street and fully tested them 90%+ of them will have symptoms of dyslexia and it does not matter the country. Since these are tests not personal subjective assessments these numbers are way more trust-able. And the first of these studies was performed in the USA not Australia then taken globally to attempt to find out why different countries had different dyslexia rates only to find out is basically a constant the difference is testing. So 90%+ is in fact the percent of the USA population with dyslexia symptoms without question. After that it now subjective how bad those symptoms have to be to get a dyslexia diagnosis. So you can have two people with the exact same testable dyslexia level and 1 person gets a dyslexia diagnosis and the other person does not.

    So you can say the testing in different countries/town/cities for dyslexia is like everyone sitting the same exam except each country/town/cities applies a different grading level then people doing statistics glue these exam results into a final percentage for a so call global number so of course that is incorrect.

    Never use statistics unless you know how they are calculated. Old saying truth lies and statistics. Statistics can be made lie by the collection method being bias. Yes the 3-7% claim uses a bias method against finding people with dyslexia. The fact that the numbers from each country alter massively also shows issues with diagnostic methods used. In fact you can find massive variation from area to area inside country normally areas that are low in fact shows lack of diagnostic services.

    Dougman is dweeb and a jackass. Failure to cross reference information and using a single source means you can be badly wrong something you are guilty of doing repentantly dougman. Dyslexia you do the cross reference checking you find some major issues with a lot of the numbers used.

    I said you should check the wikipedia before posting not trust it. Since I suffer from dyslexia I have to understand the diagnostic methods used for it and the statistics about it. Working out what treatments to try are based on statistics with dyslexia.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy.

  34. dougman says:

    “The reality is 90 percent of the population has very mild dyslexia”

    So you refute Wikipedia?

    Maybe in third-world Australia where you live, the dyslexia rate is that high, but in the rest of the world it’s not. You can argue over the stats all you like, with your spam wall-o-text and such, but the fact remains that you are a dweeb.

  35. oiaohm says:

    dougman the idiot. The reality is 90 percent of the population has very mild dyslexia. If you test with 20 items long sequences for the dyslexia out or order problem 90 percent+ of the population will fail.

    The different rates of dyslexia country to country is caused by language and the length sequence that causes it to be a defective.

    http://www.dyslexiacenterofutah.org/dyslexia/statistics/
    The rate for english speaking countries for dyslexia to be a problem causing language trouble is 12%+ yes 3-7% is global in all languages for dyslexia causing language trouble. Yes there are languages like greek where dyslexia to be a problem causing lauguage trouble is less than 1 percent. If you run the tests for dyslexia on everyone at the same difficulty level the percentage with issue is constant no matter the person language background. Greek you can get away with a sequence ability of 4 to perform english you need a sequence ability of at least 8 and people have perfect written english will have at least 12. Yes I only have 8 so I have to compromise a few things.

    So again dogman commenting on something you have no clue about.

    Have you ever done the 0 and X on a page and magically seen one of them disappear because you brain has filled in where optic nerve is. The reality is everyone else illusions every day of the week caused by their brain.

    Now test for dyslexia illusion. Take words 8 letters long leave the first and last letter where they are randomised the 6 letters in the middle mix these scrambled words with unscrambled words show them on screen to a person for 1 second and then they have to select if the word was correct or incorrect. 70 percent of the population will fail calling 80+ of the scrambled words correct.

    So what is the difference between the illusion I suffer from and general population nothing more than duration. If a 50 percent of the population proof reads a document 30 second latter they can see though the illusion or were not in the 70% suffering from visual dyslexia. Please note the other 50 percent I am in need longer and longer. It does go up quite steeply the next 5 percent is 5min instead of 30 seconds. By the time you get to 80 percent of the population you have cross the 2 hour delay for successful proof reading. This kinda explains why language on social media suxs so badly and why many sites have a edit option. At 24 hours I am in quite a low percentage number of the population other than duration the fault I suffer from is insanely common. So the odd are dougman has a fault like me in a more mild form.

    This is the problem with teachers and dyslexia. The big thing about dyslexia is it insanely common. Only testing those with language problems instead of everyone means you believe it way less common than what it really is. It also means people with very mild forms of dyslexia slip though the gaps and don’t perform to their absolute best because they have not been taught key things like how long after writing a document they should wait before proof reading.

    So there is every chance you have just done the classic of throwing a stone while standing in glass house.

    Worse dougman know even less about dyslexia because dougman used the percentages that dyslexia is blamed for non functional language ability. My english by dyslexia standards even without the 24 hours delay is classed as functional so I am not counted in the 3-7% globally it is only those with non functional classification dyslexia put in the 3-7% globally. This kinda tells you how bogus that 3-7% is and is mostly used by governments to keep the cost of treating dyslexia down. Since the real percentage is 90%+ of the population with some degree of dyslexia would make more sense to include basic dyslexia treatment in the general education system and would in fact cause better outcomes over all.

    This is why there is no point hiding the fact I have dyslexia it knowing that fact gives you nothing really to use against me other than the fact I do know what the duration of my fault is and you are most likely walking around clueless about yours. Wait that is against you because you are clue less right dougman. So dyslexia is not a wise thing to attack me over.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy.

  36. dougman says:

    “90% of the population has dyslexia ”

    I present, HAM-DONG, the statistician!

    Actually is more like 3-7%, your self-admitted dyslexia has you seeing things cross-eyed.

  37. oiaohm says:

    dougman by the way reading text backwards and upside down without noticing major issue is one of the tests for sorting out faults of dyslexia. If you new the topic the fact I mentioned I could read it upside down no problem tells you the general dyslexia comprehension class did not apply to me. So this is another case of you making a pure comment without understanding what you are talking about. I gave you the clues. Interesting point here is a person without particular form of Visual Dyslexia has harder time reading text messed around the way you did. So you did something that happened to suit me perfectly and not suit most of the human population. Sometimes particular forms of Dyslexia give advantages. Like being able to read a document from the back side when the person holding it has a bright light bulb behind them.

    I don’t have the traditional Dyslexia where sentences appear to go around in circles. There are 12 different classifications of Visual Dyslexia and I am in one of the least common ones and I effectively told you that when I said I could read your mirrored text no problem.

    One of my really confusing tricks of my fault is holding a double side document up to light and being able to read the text on both sides of the page just by looking at one side. This does provide some serous advantages when digging through archives. Yes the fault is still dyslexia.

    So since had told you the information that I was not one of the most common ones why were you being a idiot. Suggesting me be a poster child?? That is right you did not know the topic at all before being a smart ass as normal.

    The reality is 90% of the population has dyslexia of different degrees. The question is what profile and how severe. I started off at the worst end of the scale where I could not write 2 letter world around the correct way. My dyslexia profile is not common. I can read mirrored, inverted, backwards, overlapped and normal with no problems for long time I could not tell difference between them. So go back about 20 years the stuff you made up backwards would have looked perfectly normal to me other than a slightly odd font. Most of my issue is writing and not having my over powerful visual processing hiding errors from my means to see them.

    There is a common mistake that dyslexia equals slow reading speed. In rarer forms of dyslexia common from those to have at least 4 times faster reading speed of the average person with 100 percent comprehension. So dyslexia equals faster or slow reading speed this is why diagnosing and treating dyslexia is hard.

    “dougman only have told you multi times over the past 10 years that I have dyslexia.” –Now you are suffering from dementia and/or amnesia. I have not known you for 10-years, let alone would I care to know you for 10-minutes. “I have never hid the fact.” —
    Past 10 years I have told you a few times. That is from my point of view. That might be longer than how long we have known each other. I have told you in other posts and you have just not cared to remember that all. So I don’t remember exactly when we run into each other that does not change the fact you have been told about it in the past.

    And the last time I mentioned you did the same stupid thing to consider dyslexia was something to use as a trump card when its absolutely not. This is how come I am absolutely sure it was you because I noted you down. Same stunt multi times by same person.

    –You don’t have any facts to hide, as all the facts you ever quote come from Wikipedia.–
    Funny not true. This time I have quote from the wikipedia because you were too lazy to read the reference. I have quote over the years from many sources. Just you are not paying attention. So just like my dyslexia you are not paying attention.

    So lets get back to the facts dogman date of first computer controlled 3D Printing without question is 1981. Without question due to how many times the wheel has been patented it possible to take out and attempt to enforce a patent covered by prior art that you attempted to tell me is impossible. You said that using a CAM is required to-do CNC work this is not true a CAD with g-code export could be used as well. The CNC machine runs g-code as long as it gets g-code somehow its happy. Attacking me over dyslexia like the last time shows that you have learnt nothing.

  38. dougman says:

    “dougman only have told you multi times over the past 10 years that I have dyslexia.”

    Now you are suffering from dementia and/or amnesia. I have not known you for 10-years, let alone would I care to know you for 10-minutes.

    “I have never hid the fact.”

    You don’t have any facts to hide, as all the facts you ever quote come from Wikipedia.

  39. oiaohm says:

    One trait of dyslexia, which you mention you have, is one that reads and rereads with little comprehension. Bravo!…just splendid for coming out of the closet, finally!!.. Now everyone can understand why you are, the way you are.
    dougman only have told you multi times over the past 10 years that I have dyslexia. I have never hid the fact.

    In fact comprehension issues does not happen in every dyslexia case.
    http://www.dyslexia.ie/information/information-for-teachers-schools-and-colleges/indicators-of-dyslexia-at-the-different-levels/
    So this is another topic you know absolutely nothing about dougman. You cannot apply generalised stuff at all to dyslexia. Each person with dyslexia has a unique profile of faults.

    So that now CNC, 3D printing, Patent system and Dyslexia that you in this thread have just proven you know nothing about.

  40. dougman says:

    “Remember I mentioned dyslexia so your smart ass move means I can read it perfectly fine but other people will have trouble reading it.”

    One trait of dyslexia, which you mention you have, is one that reads and rereads with little comprehension. Bravo!…just splendid for coming out of the closet, finally!!.. Now everyone can understand why you are, the way you are.

    Here’s a thought: Brand yourself as the Dyslexia poster child for the Australian Dyslexia Association.

    Here is their mailing address:

    Australian Dyslexia Association
    PO BOX 261
    Varsity Lakes 4227

    They are a non-profit, so I am not sure on any sort of remuneration that they would award you. But think of the advertising you could give them! FINALLY…you could achieve something of worth in your life.

  41. oiaohm says:

    dougman so now full quoting with backwards and upside down. Sorry I read that like its right way up. Remember I mentioned dyslexia so your smart ass move means I can read it perfectly fine but other people will have trouble reading it. So you are just being a jackass to everyone else. So now you are resorting to creative spamming. Since I said mirror you had to mirror the text. In fact that looks cool.

    Does not change the facts that you commented here with incorrect information about 3d printing, CNC operations or patent system.

  42. dougman says:

    ˙ɔᴉdoʇ ǝɥʇ ƃuᴉʍouʞ ʇnoɥʇᴉʍ ƃuᴉʇuǝɯɯoɔ uɐɯƃnop ʇnq ʍǝᴉʌ ɟo ʇuᴉod ʎɯ sᴉ ʇɐɥʇ ǝuou oS ˙sǝɔuǝɹǝɟǝɹ uǝʌᴉƃ ǝʌɐɥ sʞɹoʍ ɯǝʇsʎs ʇuǝʇɐd ǝɥʇ ʍoH ˙sǝɔuǝɹǝɟǝɹ ʎq pǝʞɔɐq sᴉ ʇɐɥʇ ƃuᴉʇuᴉɹd pƐ ɹoɟ ǝʇɐp ʇɔɐxǝ ǝɥ┴ ˙sǝɔuǝɹǝɟǝɹ uǝʌᴉƃ ǝʌɐɥ I W∀Ɔ ɟo pɐǝʇsuᴉ pǝsn ƃuᴉǝq p∀Ɔ

    ˙sʇuǝɯǝʇɐʇs ǝɥʇ ƃuᴉɥɔʇɐɯ sǝɔuǝɹǝɟǝɹ ɥʇᴉʍ ɹoɟ ʇɥƃᴉɐɹʇs pǝddᴉɹ pɐǝɥ ɹnoʎ ʇǝƃ ɥɔɹɐǝsǝɹ ɹnoʎ op ʇ’uop ʇɥƃᴉɹ ʇɐɥ┴ ˙ɥʇnɹʇ ǝɥʇ ƃuᴉllǝʇ ǝɹɐ ʎǝɥʇ uǝɥʍ suǝddɐɥ ʇɐɥʍ sᴉ ɥʇnɹʇ ǝɥʇ ploʇ sʎɐʍlɐ ʇou sɐɥ oɥʍ ǝuoǝɯos ƃuᴉʞɔɐʇʇɐ ʇnoqɐ dɐɹʇ ʇsǝƃƃᴉq ǝɥ┴ ˙sǝɔuǝɹǝɟǝɹ pǝpnlɔuᴉ uǝʌǝ ʇɔɐɟ uI ˙uo dn ɯᴉɥ pǝllnd ǝʌɐɥ I ʇɐɥʇ ǝɹǝɥ sǝsuodsǝɹ ǝɥʇ uᴉ ǝuop sɐɥ ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ sᴉ ɟo ǝɯ ƃuᴉsnɔɔɐ sᴉ ǝɥ ƃuᴉɥʇʎɹǝʌǝ ɹoɹɹᴉɯ ǝɥʇ uᴉ ʞool oʇ pǝǝu ʎllɐǝɹ uɐɯƃnop ʎuunɟ ʇI

  43. oiaohm says:

    It funny dougman really need to look in the mirror everything he is accusing me of is what he has done in the responses here that I have pulled him up on. In fact even included references. The biggest trap about attacking someone who has not always told the truth is what happens when they are telling the truth. That right don’t do your research get your head ripped straight for with references matching the statements.

    CAD being used instead of CAM I have given references. The exact date for 3d printing that is backed by references. How the patent system works have given references. So none that is my point of view but dougman commenting without knowing the topic.

  44. oiaohm says:

    Dougman complains over the wall-o-text, but everyone that visit’s here has seen his abridged driveling diatribes of text, in a vain attempt to explain his pointless assessments on various subject matter, that he knows absolutely nothing about.

    You said that miss quoting is fine for mocking right.

  45. dougman says:

    Ham-Dong complains over the wall-o-text, but everyone that visit’s here has seen his abridged driveling diatribes of text, in a vain attempt to explain his pointless assessments on various subject matter, that he knows absolutely nothing about.

    So resorting to miss quoting because you cannot accept being wrong. No its possible to mock a person without miss quoting. Of course cannot like being pulled up that miss quoting is invalid so now is going to quote everything to try to get me to give that miss quoting is allow.

    This just shows the level idiot you are who does not know the difference between mocking and miss quoting. Its the old idiot excuse that mocking allows them to do miss quoting and other major mistakes.

    So lets be more of a fraud . I have not raise the fact you don’t have a clue about farm equipment or anything else. It was me who point out that the breakages robert was suffering from was avoidable by ploughing.

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I have mentioned it before but the process is a pain in ass. The fact you referring to miss quoting as mocking really means you are a idiot.

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Badly packages applications exist. Depending how built Yes it would be better at long last has agreed to sit down and work Ok it would be nicer

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Interesting point. There is something interesting here. Since you were completely wrong again please do this to yourself.

    There are about 12 cases that has done this on different topics including religion. I typed that line because I am sick of the same repeated mistake. So much the 100 percent normal idiot game play.

  46. oiaohm says:

    dogman complains about me doing walls of text.

    Of course dogman cannot like being pulled up that miss quoting is invalid so now is going to quote everything to try to get me to give that miss quoting is allow. So much the 100 percent normal idiot game play.

  47. dougman says:

    So resorting to miss quoting because you cannot accept being wrong. No its possible to mock a person without miss quoting.

    This just shows the level idiot you are who does not know the difference between mocking and miss quoting. Its the old idiot excuse that mocking allows them to do miss quoting and other major mistakes.

    So lets be more of a fraud . I have not raise the fact you don’t have a clue about farm equipment or anything else. It was me who point out that the breakages robert was suffering from was avoidable by ploughing.

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I have mentioned it before but the process is a pain in ass. The fact you referring to miss quoting as mocking really means you are a idiot.

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Badly packages applications exist. Depending how built Yes it would be better at long last has agreed to sit down and work Ok it would be nicer

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Interesting point. There is something interesting here. Since you were completely wrong again please do this to yourself.

    There are about 12 cases that has done this on different topics including religion. I typed that line because I am sick of the same repeated mistake.

  48. oiaohm says:

    Bruh, no one misquoting you, I am mocking you.
    No its possible to mock a person without miss quoting. This just shows the level idiot you are who does not know the difference between mocking and miss quoting.

    The fact you referring to miss quoting as mocking really means you are a idiot.

    Its the old idiot excuse that mocking allows them to do miss quoting and other major mistakes.

  49. dougman says:

    Bruh, no one misquoting you, I am mocking you.

    So resorting to miss quoting because you cannot accept being wrong.

    So lets be more of a fraud . I have not raise the fact you don’t have a clue about farm equipment or anything else. It was me who point out that the breakages robert was suffering from was avoidable by ploughing.

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I have mentioned it before but the process is a pain in ass.

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Badly packages applications exist. Depending how built Yes it would be better at long last has agreed to sit down and work Ok it would be nicer

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Interesting point. There is something interesting here. Since you were completely wrong again please do this to yourself.

    There are about 12 cases that has done this on different topics including religion. I typed that line because I am sick of the same repeated mistake.

  50. oiaohm says:

    Basically dogman the idiot by miss quoting me is attempting to turn every time the idiot loses into a win.

  51. oiaohm says:

    So dogman resorting to miss quoting because you cannot accept being wrong.

    So lets be more of a fraud dogman. I have not raise the fact you don’t have a clue about farm equipment or anything else. It was me who point out that the breakages robert was suffering from was avoidable by ploughing.

    True there is a conflict of interest you were not aware that the document you were quote was preped by a person who end up taking a management position in the company that is talking about. So that is another screw up dogman.
    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    There are about 12 cases that dogman has done this on different topics including religion. I typed that line because I am sick of the same repeated mistake.

  52. dougman says:

    You know, this is a super big maybe. I have mentioned it before but the process is a pain in ass.

    Badly packages applications exist. Depending how built Yes it would be better at long last has agreed to sit down and work Ok it would be nicer

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

    Interesting point. There is something interesting here.

  53. oiaohm says:

    Dougman, in fact, doesn’t know shit from shinola.
    DrLoser just read down did not have a clue about CNC workflow or that a patent could be issue conflicting with prior art then have to be disproved. Did not have the date of the first 3d printing right.

    So that is true for everything in this post so far. So 3 mistakes just here by Dougman. So when are you going to get up Dougman ass about being complete idiot.

  54. oiaohm says:

    DrIdiot turns up because dogman cannot lose right. The first cad to do straight to g-code was autocad with export macros.
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/ac2gc.html
    You can see it right here. So g-code comes from a CAM or a CAD with export solution of some form. NX CAD has export macros to g-code and decanted section of software for CAM that can run a simulation of the CNC machine. NX does run on Linux and is one of the most used for complex multi axis CNC machines. So G-code from NX you need to know if it comes from CAD or the CAM in case of error so you know what part to bug report against. So the true question you ask when you get a G-code is did that come from CAM or CAD.

    DrIdiot you should have done some research before copying dogman mistake.

  55. DrLoser says:

    Sure about that? The last time I ran my CNC, it went something like this: CAM => G-Code => CNC. So tell me, if you remove CAM from the function, how the hell is the CNC suppose to operate? DERP…

    Fifi isn’t “sure” about anything at all, Douglas. You might have noticed this.
    Fifi, in fact, doesn’t know shit from shinola.
    But, as usual, Fifi is prepared to back up her total ignorance with internet cites that have no relevance to the topic at hand.
    My best (and friendly) advice is just to laugh at the little twit.

  56. DrLoser says:

    Just out of mild interest, Robert, which particular senile brain-fart caused you to connect Hurricane Matthew to Software Patents?

  57. oiaohm says:

    http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators

    The last time I ran my CNC, it went something like this: CAM => G-Code => CNC. So tell me, if you remove CAM from the function, how the hell is the CNC suppose to operate?
    G-Code is run by what is running on the CNC. There are a few different ways to generate that.
    http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Path_Workbench
    Gcode source is either CAM or CAD. So there is no need for a CAM to be used in a CNC process if your CAD produces the gcode you need. If you CAD does not have the means of generating Gcode you need do use a CAM.

    I present dougman Ham-Dong the machinist! Who presumed CNC setups had a single path work-flow and is incorrect as normal.

    Why don’t you do the world a favor and place your testicles in a hydraulic vise. Rest assured, this planet already has enough idiots.
    Since you were completely wrong again please do this to yourself. Seems it what you suggest a idiot should do so go and obey your own advice.

  58. dougman says:

    I present, Ham-Dong the machinist!

    “The reality is most CNC machines don’t run CAM.”

    Sure about that? The last time I ran my CNC, it went something like this: CAM => G-Code => CNC. So tell me, if you remove CAM from the function, how the hell is the CNC suppose to operate? DERP…

    In fact, I am willing to bet, you don’t now a micrometer from a caliper. Why don’t you do the world a favor and place your testicles in a hydraulic vise. Rest assured, this planet already has enough idiots.

  59. oiaohm says:

    CNC milling…YAWN. Most 5-axis machines these days run CAM and are primarily Windows based; that’s about the ONLY place I would ever do so. The machines are never connected to the Net.
    Depends on the country. China 5-axis machines you are talking LinuxCNC commonly under it old name EMC2 .

    http://www.probotix.com/CNC_SOFTWARE
    They list the common CNC control software and the stable OS. MACH3 is the common windows competitor having to run Windows 2000 or XP for stability I don’t look at as fun. LinuxCNC lets you use a BeagleBone black or Raspberry PI 2 connected to the CNC and send you work to the CNC by network.

    The reality is most CNC machines don’t run CAM.
    http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
    In most cases CAM is run on a computer that if it crashes the CNC machine will not do something stupid and possibility kill someone.

    The machines are never connected to the Net.
    Also highly not true for the machine running CAM. Machine using a CAM commonly get 3d models from internet from customers they want made so truly internet connected. The CNC driving software is normally network connected via a file storage server so machine running CAM is not directly talking to the CNC in most cases.

    CNC machines are more network connected in mass production than most would think. Consider the case 1 machine breaks down you want to be able to have another machine pick up it workload quickly.

    Robert Pogson
    “I’d suggest cake-decorating and extrusion as prior arts too”
    That is mentioned in the 1981 papers on 3d printing. Same year is the first year for computer controlled 3D cake decorating by the same group.

    1970s and before automated methods to make 3d objects mostly focused on subtraction. Yes the 1981 group reference that stuff as well.

    This is what I am getting at. Proper inventors normally do list all the proper prior art their invention is based on. The 1981 group did not take out a patent because they believed there was just too much prior art over what 3d Printing did. So this left the door open for the people who did not invent it to patent it of course those don’t reference the prior art that proves they were not the first inventor. Its the 1981 group where the plastic mixes that the 1984 groups in fact use come from. So Robert you are not alone questioning if patents on 3d printing should have been granted at all due to what was covered by prior art.

    This is why the full history of 3d Printing becomes a real good look at how the patent system work and how it can screw up badly resulting in stifled innovation.

  60. dougman says:

    “We were doing something very much like 3D printing in the 1970s, by removing material rather than adding. We used numerical control of machine tools.”

    CNC milling…YAWN. Most 5-axis machines these days run CAM and are primarily Windows based; that’s about the ONLY place I would ever do so. The machines are never connected to the Net.

    “I do a magnificent job at every bowel-movement! Have been since the 1950s…”

    Ok, sure, but you don’t use toilet paper either. How unsavory and unrefined, how does the TLW cope?

    Seriously Robert, this blog has gone to the toilet of late. The quality of topics you bring forth to your constituency is rather unappealing.

    May I recommend a morning regime of four blog entries a day, well, at least before you land on the throne in the AM. Just post your comments using voice, making minor edits and limit your time to ~15 mins per entry, no more no less. In doing so, you will attract more visitors and increase your ranking, hell fill in the side bars with ads and now your talking! Extra ad-revenue that you could use on procuring worthless things. What do you say? Do we have a deal!?

  61. oiaohm wrote, “The fact 3d printing starts in 1981 in japan and is documented in USA journals and is not on that timeline you quoted basically tells you are reading a timeline of a patent thief.”

    We were doing something very much like 3D printing in the 1970s, by removing material rather than adding. We used numerical control of machine tools. We also started using printers to print on printed matter, an additive technique. I’d suggest cake-decorating and extrusion as prior arts too… Heck! I do a magnificent job at every bowel-movement! Have been since the 1950s…

  62. oiaohm wrote, “The patent system is past being sick.”

    The patent-system was invented hundreds of years ago when individuals with an idea could build something new and useful in the workshop and produce a few thousand units over years. Now we have so much automation and networking that new things can be distributed by the millions in days. It’s time a quota was developed. Instead of genuine patents being for X number of years, they should be some combination of years, units shipped or $billions earned. The purpose of patents never was to stifle innovation but to inspire it. The guy who invented Velcro had a great idea that didn’t catch on until the patent expired. He hardly made a cent, yet others who barely modify some invention are making $billions. It’s not working as intended. It’s time to change that system.

  63. oiaohm says:

    http://www.betaboston.com/news/2014/07/09/re-inventing-the-wheel-why-not-many-do/
    dougman I would guess you agree that a wheel is a item with really solid prior art right. Yet you find patent systems around the world still issuing people with patents for the wheel that then has to be disproved by a prior art claim. Of course some of those are issues patents have trolls go around attempting to enforce their so called valid patent because it was issued.

    The patent system is past being sick.

  64. oiaohm says:

    You haven’t a clue what is going on. From what you just told me, Microsoft could patent Linux, steal the entire kernel base from Linus and sue him for it. Obviously this has not directly happened, as an invention cannot be patented if there has been a public disclosure of said invention prior to the date of filing.
    This is myth. The current system does not work this way. Sorry stuff like that has happened many times with different developers not as well know as Linus or Linux by Microsoft.
    http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/238/does-prior-art-need-to-cover-all-claims-in-a-patent-application-in-order-to-inva

    Patents are issued before a full prior art search is completed. Patent examiners are not required to do a full prior art or even a full existing patent search before issuing a patent.

    Yes it is possible that Microsoft could get a patent issued on the Linux kernel that then would have be destroyed by prior art claim in court to make their issued patent invalid.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_%28computing%29
    It would not be the first time that Microsoft had a invalid patent issued either. Yes the patent over Ribbon toolbars was in fact a duplication of a prior art and patent by hotdog software. Yet Microsoft was issued the Ribbon toolbar patent even that Prior art and Prior patent existed covering exactly the same thing. Yes Microsoft tried to enforce Ribbon toolbar patent against one of the developers and named in the prior patent from hotdog in 2012 who was now working for another company so ending the ribbon patent.

    That you picked Microsoft as a reference I picked a Microsoft example of them being issued a completely invalid patent. There are in fact many more cases that Microsoft has been issued completely invalid patents. Microsoft is not on it own of being issued patents that should not be issued due to prior patents and prior art.

    Dougman HAM-DONG Intellectual Property Attorney!

    Does not have a single clue. Yes the patent systems says if you can find prior art you can invalidate it. But this requires 1 knowing where the prior art is 2 going though the formal patent challenge process that can involve court costs if patent examiner involved is being stubborn. Current patent system all the examiner has to-do is tick the box they did not know about any prior art before issuing. Yes the examiner does not even have to-do a patent search for prior art let alone anything else.

    Patent trolls have so many patents because of how simple they are to get really.

    Please note something when patent bodies reject patents they don’t get on going payments. So its not profitable for any patent body to properly inspect patents and reject all the invalid ones.

  65. dougman says:

    “dougman to be correct this is a classic example of what goes on.”

    I present, HAM-DONG, the Intellectual Property Attorney!

    You haven’t a clue what is going on. From what you just told me, Microsoft could patent Linux, steal the entire kernel base from Linus and sue him for it. Obviously this has not directly happened, as an invention cannot be patented if there has been a public disclosure of said invention prior to the date of filing. So you made-up nonsense is bunk.

    Perhaps I will patent your DNA just for *CHUCKLES*, and once I obtain such, I would send you a cease & desist letter. Forcing you to stop infringing on MY patent, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world.

    Sound fair, eh?

    Please send a saliva sample to the following:

    VeritasGenetics
    Ref# Ham-Dong
    99 Conifer Hill Drive
    Danvers, MA 01923, USA

  66. oiaohm says:

    dougman to be correct this is a classic example of what goes on.

    Someone invents something. They fail to take out the patent. Someone else takes out the patent then with marketing material makes out that they were the inventor and attempts to take total credit for it and in their material they don’t cover any of the prior works that the tech was in fact based on. The fact 3d printing starts in 1981 in japan and is documented in USA journals and is not on that timeline you quoted basically tells you are reading a timeline of a patent thief.

  67. oiaohm says:

    Hideo Kodama, “A Scheme for Three-Dimensional Display by Automatic Fabrication of Three-Dimensional Model,” IEICE TRANSACTIONS on Electronics (Japanese Edition), vol.J64-C, No.4, pp.237–241, April 1981
    Hideo Kodama, “Automatic method for fabricating a three-dimensional plastic model with photo-hardening polymer,” Review of Scientific Instruments, Vol. 52, No. 11, pp. 1770–1773, November 1981
    And there are more.

    dougman there happens to be a stack of Japanese and English publications that completely do not match T. Rowe Price time line and move the start back to 1981. Sorry the Wikipedia has everything cited with source documents in this case. Then there are French publications before Charles Hull started work on 3d Printers covering the same methods he uses.

    All you can do is post drivel on multiple forums, citing Wikipedia as your material source.
    Sometimes it the only thing you can do because the Japanese, English and French publications at times is go to library and see it in paper form as they are not on the internet.

    T. Rowe Price is a broker who job is to sell what he has investments in not to tell the truth. Only a idiot would think a broker would be a truth giver.

    http://technical.ly/baltimore/2014/09/25/new-dimension-former-t-rowe-price-manager-3d-printing/
    Call this conflict of interest you idiot dougman. T. Rowe Price is employed by company “3D Printing” so his job is to sell what they did in the best possible light that includes hiding the underhanded things Charles Hull did.

    Please use reference sources that are not conflict of interest in future then you may not be basing you ideas fiction.

  68. dougman says:

    “dougman you have dates wrong”

    Well, lets see. Do I listen to a dweeb that just quotes Wikipedia, or T. Rowe Price? Obviously the latter would be prudent, as a Series 7 broker can turn pennies to hundreds. All you can do is post drivel on multiple forums, citing Wikipedia as your material source.

    https://individual.troweprice.com/staticFiles/Retail/Shared/PDFs/3D_Printing_Infographic_FINAL.pdf

  69. oiaohm says:

    dougman you have your dates wrong.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printing
    First plastic 3D printing is 1981 by Hideo Kodama of Nagoya Municipal Industrial Research Institute. So way before 1986.

    First patent on it was applied for in1984 by Alain Le Méhauté, Olivier de Witte and Jean Claude André applied first 3d printing patent. Not one Charles Hull. Charles Hull applied 3 weeks latter in 1984. Only reason why Charles Hall ends up with patent is Alain Le Méhauté, Olivier de Witte and Jean Claude André run out of funding to push forwards with patent. Both applications for patents match the 1981, Hideo Kodama of Nagoya Municipal Industrial Research Institute work so prior art problem here. Yes the 1984(application year)-1986(grant year) patent really should not have been granted due to prior art.

    So yes looking at the first granted patent of 3d printing and the history around it does show some serous issues with the patent system. Particularly granting patents on things that by prior art should not be able to be patented and being able to copy someone patent application and if they run out of money to push the patent claim the patent for yourself.

    The Reprap project starts 2005 exactly when the 1984 patent bites the dust. The old patent rules is 20 years from date of application not year of grant. There is a lot of push to make it from year of grant.

    Patents maybe should not be done away with to protect true new inventions. But if they are not done away with we at least have to sort out the process of granting so we don’t have people patenting other people inventions as their own. The stereo-lithography one where you have two patents applications on the table from two different parties that are basically identical should have alarm bells ringing particular when you dig deeper and both their works are based on another groups work.

    The issue what happens to true inventors in first to file systems is they are producing a product someone else sees it files a patent then attempts to make true inventor pay their patent. Yes then the true inventor has to prove what they have is prior art or pay up.

    From my point of view if granting process cannot be fixed so that only true inventors can get it then patent system should be scrapped. In fact I would go as far as saying only the inventor or descendants if inventor dies can own the patent if a company wants to control the patent they have to employee the inventor. Lets make patent system a reward system for those who invent new things if we keep it at all.

  70. dougman says:

    In all honesty, all patents should be done away with, they stifle technology.

    For example, the origins of 3D printing can be traced back to 1986, when the first patent was issued for stereolithography apparatus (SLA). This patent belonged to one Charles (Chuck) Hull, who first invented his SLA machine in 1983. When was the very first time you heard about 3D printing? Not till after turn of the century I bet.

    http://www.finnegan.com/resources/articles/articlesdetail.aspx?news=302da16a-dd68-40fe-af90-4d376409d5e3

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *