Canonical Shaky On Sharing

“Many thanks for the majority of these patches to Sasha Levin, who dug them out of Canonical’s 4.4 kernel tree. I have no idea why they never sent them in for inclusion on their own :(“
 
See Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH 4.4 000/192] 4.4.21-stable review
Remember Canonical, the company that produces the distribution Ubuntu GNU/Linux? They have a hard time even mentioning “Linux” on their website yet they manage to customize the Linux kernel for their distro without actively contributing the modifications to kernel.org. Well, Sasha Levin, one of the players at kernel.org, took the trouble to “dig them out” and do the deed. One wonders how much effort it would have taken Canonical to have done the same. After all, they start with the same source code. All it takes is a “diff” or two or …

Sigh. Some people just don’t quite get FLOSS. Sharing is good, Canonical.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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9 Responses to Canonical Shaky On Sharing

  1. DrLoser wrote, “from a FLOSS perspective, you are a worthless hanger-on. You’ve never once “shared” anything, and you never will.”

    That’s pretty weak when I’ve shared this blog with you for five ten years now. I was a teacher. I shared a lot with students. I’ve distributed a little code here from time to time. I didn’t do long range shooting this summer (too many of TLW’s trees to plant). I still have the alternator to install and Beast IV, but I will get around to replacing GEBC in PASCAL if I live long enough. I’ve decided to start a bunch of grapes and Saskatoon berries this winter, but that will be easy compared to last year, so I should have many hours to work on it after Christmas when the weather is often miserably cold. I used to tolerate cold well up north but now I get tired just dragging the clothing needed to stay alive around, so I plan to spend more time indoors computing.

    I’ve resumed welding the frame for the alternator. It could be outlined this week. I will put wheels and steering on it sometime soon so it can be stored easily indoors out of the weather. I have silica gel kitty litter to keep it dry indoors too. All my plans are coming together, just not in the order nor in the way I originally planned. Weather, weeds, TLW… all make demands. You are way back in the queue.

  2. DrLoser says:

    You’re not that great on “sharing” either, are you, Pog?
    How’s the great Internet Pascal GEBC replacement going, for example?
    Let’s face it, Bob: from a FLOSS perspective, you are a worthless hanger-on. You’ve never once “shared” anything, and you never will.
    You are basically a non-corporate equivalent of Canonical.

  3. oiaohm says:

    And btw, what happened to Mir? Is Wayland mainstream yet? Are there any drivers with full OpenGL hardware-accelerated support for either of the two?
    The answer to that is Intel yes that has got to opengl 4.5 and current Vulcan open source. But due to intel recently redesigning power management yes the thing that means that next generation intel chips will not run older versions of windows than windows 10 has caused a few issues. Mir is still

    Nvidia is wanting to debate a few things at the next X11 conference.
    https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2016/Program/jones_unix_device_mem_alloc/
    Yes this is a Nvidia presentation. So instead of doing there own secret hidden memory system they have at long last started talking about a common one that is not X11 dependant.

    Also Libglvnd is at long last ending install opengl cat fight so you can in fact have Nvidia amd and intel graphics cards all working with each other.

    vsync/video tearing issues (and I think it still has
    vsync/video tearing does not exist in wayland systems. Of course this still exists in X11 causing in some by the same issue that stuffs up input. Everything X11 has been done in a single threaded. So any stall in that single thread stall everything including reporting vsync in particular ways. So yes 1.19 the next version of X server out is the first X server heading down the sane multi threaded path. So this is a case of X11 die fixes or X11 modified a lot fixes.

    Intel gets around it by implementing a opengl vsync that avoids X11 so most cases fixing the tearing issues. I would love to see Nvidia pick that up.

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE4MzI
    That is intel again with stereoscopic 3D and that is provide Nvidia closed source for X11. Stereoscopic 3d was done on Linux by Nvidia and some other Unix by SGI both well before Windows ever got it. Due to the mess of X11 it has not be implemented as much as it should have been.

    https://www.khronos.org/registry/egl/extensions/EXT/EGL_EXT_protected_content.txt
    This extension debate is interesting.
    Then there is the problem of premium content,
    This may to the way of the dodo in a few years. There have been no extensions implementing protected path.

    “avoiding DRM to avoid premium content”
    Not exactly issue is implementing DRM in open source is not possible and premium content providers demand DRM. Then not having any defined standards in opengl or anywhere else for DRM content protected by hardware kinda leaves you hanging in no mansland. Of course premium content extensions are coming out of android work.

    Back on topic, FOSSies like Pog should stop claiming that it is a moral obligation of Canonical to “give back to the tree” or do some other thing not explicitly mentioned in the license.
    If you ignore moral obligation there is a security reason that Canonical should be submitting patches back to tree to get them peer reviewed or we have another Debian disaster on our hands and many other distributions before them.

    Issue with them not giving back to tree is their product should be less trusted than parties in fact giving back to tree.

  4. kurkosdr says:

    Back on topic, FOSSies like Pog should stop claiming that it is a moral obligation of Canonical to “give back to the tree” or do some other thing not explicitly mentioned in the license. Dear Pog, it is a for-profit company, one with a business plan just as bad as Pony-Tail-Douche’s (aka Jonathan Schwartz’s) plan but still, a for-profit company, they have no obligation to give back to the tree, contribute to earthquake victims, feed the pigeons, shelter the homeless, or whatever other thing your FOSSie mind thinks it is their moral obligation to do.

  5. kurkosdr says:

    I run glxgears and see a 3D animation just fine, in fact Steam works wonderfully.

    I meant stereoscopic 3D. Ahh… Desktop Linux, always a step behind in GPU technology. First it couldn’t do the latest version of OpenGL, then it had vsync/video tearing issues (and I think it still has, but I ‘ll let ohioham inform me about that), then HDMI passthrough issues, now it won’t do stereoscopic 3D.

    Then there is the problem of premium content, aka “avoiding DRM to avoid premium content”, which is a kind of rule in neckbeard-land, with Bluray Movies not playing and premium video services being hit-and-miss when it comes to 1080p. Meanwhile, with Windows, I can have all those “free videos” you talk about, as DRM-free as you have them using MPC-HC and Kodi, plus the premium content that Desktop Linux users don’t have access to, or don’t have access to in 1080p.

    And btw, what happened to Mir? Is Wayland mainstream yet? Are there any drivers with full OpenGL hardware-accelerated support for either of the two?

    But anyway, keep dreaming of users and developers making lateral and then downwards moves, to move from Windows to Desktop Linux.

  6. oiaohm says:

    http://who-t.blogspot.com.au/2016/09/input-threads-in-x-server.html
    The funny part is most of the issues with games has not in fact been render speed. Most games are in fact rendered fast enough. Now input stalling for pure X11 insanity reasons that has been a problem. Also there are many cases of games so called ported to Linux where windows version running in wine is faster and more stable.

    kurkosdr
    Canonical has stopped caring about the communitah long time ago, deal with it. Since the communitah is a bunch of neckbeards with inflated egos who think for-profit companies have the moral obligation devote resources and developers to support their vision (and their vision only), I cannot really blame Canonical.

    No Canonical is following the same mistake that lead to the Debian openssl maintainer triggered security hole by altering build options. Yes the community in the Linux kernel and else where might be a pain but they are a resource to get your code alterations peer reviewed to hopefully find stupid mistakes before they effect the end users.

    Canonical broke away from Debian at time when Debian believed it was fine not to work with upstream that did lead to a set of maintainer made disasters. What the developer having to go in and extract the patches shows is Canonical has not learnt that lesson yet.

    Yes “bunch of neckbeards with inflated egos” is how you would have described Debian development pattern before the big set of security black eyes. My question how long can Canonical keep on doing this error before it bites them.

  7. dougman says:

    “Meanwhile, did GNU/Linux get 3D support yet? Hardware-accelerated video encoding? Support for BluRay Movies? Intel and AMD gpu drivers that are on par with the Windows ones? No?”

    Are you using that tired ol’ line again?

    I run glxgears and see a 3D animation just fine, in fact Steam works wonderfully.

    Regarding hardware acceleration, Intel has my back https://01.org/linuxgraphics/community/vaapi

    BluRay is hit-or-miss, no fault to Linux, has the DVD’s are DRM encoded. I honestly never had a problem watching any, some may, but then again who buy’s DVD’s anymore when you can download movies for free these days.

    “Intel and AMD gpu drivers that are on par with the Windows” YOu know it’s funny you mention that, as my frames per second on Steam is far higher then any user running Windows. I wonder why that is….hmmmmm.

  8. kurkosdr says:

    Canonical has stopped caring about the communitah long time ago, deal with it. Since the communitah is a bunch of neckbeards with inflated egos who think for-profit companies have the moral obligation devote resources and developers to support their vision (and their vision only), I cannot really blame Canonical.

    Now Canonical is a lot like Xandors, trying to make a commercial product by repurposing FOSS scraps. Good luck with that.

    Meanwhile, did GNU/Linux get 3D support yet? Hardware-accelerated video encoding? Support for BluRay Movies? Intel and AMD gpu drivers that are on par with the Windows ones? No?

    As I said, good luck with that.

  9. dougman says:

    Yes, lets see what this progressive Canadian healthcare system is all about!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

    BTW, Canonical can go take a flying leap.

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